CIF State Championships

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82gradDLSdad
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cal83dls79 said:

StillABear1 said:

Agreed. The Trinity League (Southern Section) is essentially a collection of super prep teams and then there is essentially just DLS as a near equivalent in the North. Unfortunately, it's the adults that have taken high school athletics and turned it into a business rather than what it used to be, a great HS activity coached by PE teachers from the school.

The public schools simply cannot compete and these private school powerhouses should simply form their own division, outside of the CIF, and compete nationally. Much like basketball has done with programs like Prolific Prep in Napa. I enjoy watching a team like Central or Centennial, in prior years, achieve success because they are public schools, although I acknowledge not all of them are true to their borders.

Baseball has gone the same way in many respects. Travel ball outpacing local LL and Babe Ruth where kids get to play with and against their friends and neighbors. Too many adults making a living off of the dreams of parents, not the children, that a college scholarship and/or MLB future is possible.

Back nearly 20 years now, I went to the Ygnacio Valley-De La Salle game at DLS. It was a time when Ygnacio was very good, I believe coached by a young Tim Murphy, now at CVC. They walked up Oak Grove to Treat, as the schools fields are adjacent, 2x2 and it looked like a JC team in size. It felt like a battle was to ensue. It was a great HS atmosphere. That being said, DLS was loaded, including perhaps the best high school football player I've ever seen in DJ Williams.

At halftime, I was speaking to one of the DLS parents, whose son was one of their stars, and he told me that 11 of DLS's starting 22 lived in the Ygnacio district and so it added to the intrigue and battle intensity. At the half, it was DLS up 22-18, if I remember correctly at a time. DLS was destroying people, so it was quite a surprise and Ygnacio was holding their own on the LOS. DLS turned DJ loose in the 2H and won 70-38. Ygnacio scored more points than all the opponents had scored combined coming into the game.

What was clear to me, was that public schools, even really good ones, which Ygnacio was at the time with several D1 prospects and a large roster, no longer had any chance. Now fast forward to today, even the relatively strong EBAL teams, as well as Pitt and Liberty, are unable to hang competitively with DLS. It's essentially game over for the public school programs for championships unless the CIF creates divisions (Public and Private championships separately and even then the MD and SJB type teams should fold into a nation-wide super league.
I remember when stanfurd didn't want to play cal in rugby and how this board lit up. The public schools need to step it up and stop *****ing .


Well, I for one am embarrassed by the advantages afforded to private schools.

Sincerely,
Tony ... SHC alum 1976

PS. SHC 0-10 in 2019.

PS1. We went 0-10 two years in a row in 1972-73 and had "0-10 Never Again" t-shirts made. No kidding.

I should start a poll. Worst t-shirt: Toughest Team Wins vs. 0-10 Never Again.

Either way I lose. I'm an alum of both schools.
cal83dls79
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Nope, gonna say the Redbox T-shirts are worse.
You could have recycled those ****s after the Tom Holmoe season.
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CALiforniALUM said:

FuzzyWuzzy said:

Big C said:

Anybody know how and how much the head coaches at these super-power Catholic schools get compensated? I know Ladouceur up here at DLS was a full-time teacher at the school (and supposedly quite a good one, too), but these guys MUST be getting more money than that. Do they get paid by "booster clubs"? Any idea how much? I'm guessing at private schools, that info is also private, or is it?
There are probably a lot of people on this board that know more about this than I but private high schools are almost always organized as nonprofits so they don't have to pay taxes. Nonprofits have to file a tax return that lists the names and comp of their 5 or 10 highest paid employees. (I've seen the form but don't remember if it is 5 or 10 or some other number.) That tax return has to be filed with the state every year. It's probably available to anyone who cares to ask for it in a freedom of information act letter.

Almost all reputable private universities are nonprofits too- Stanford, USC, etc.


Form 990?

Since some of these schools are church affiliated I do not think they are required to file financial information, which would normally include a listing of the highest salaried employees.


Schools affiliated with churches still have to file the 990.
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That's correct. If the organization is nonprofit by virtue of its religious affiliation no 990 is required.

If you ever want a laugh download the 990s for the CIF units and see what the clowns in charge pull down
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socalBear23 said:

Big C said:

Anybody know how and how much the head coaches at these super-power Catholic schools get compensated? I know Ladouceur up here at DLS was a full-time teacher at the school (and supposedly quite a good one, too), but these guys MUST be getting more money than that. Do they get paid by "booster clubs"? Any idea how much? I'm guessing at private schools, that info is also private, or is it?
Nobody really knows, but I heard from a very reliable source that the OC makes around 250k. So maybe 1/2 a mil for HC.


I literally puked my Peet's Coffee all over my keyboard when reading this.
It's pure fantasy!

In any event, I just wanted to say that every year in November I buy into all of the prep sports writing hype about the upcoming CIF Regional Football Match-Ups.... and every year I wind up being severely disappointed. I have relegated myself to the fact that post season NORCAL high school football is incredibly BORING . . . even at the Regional level.

On November 29th, I was literally live streaming 3 games at once.
DLS vs Pittsburg, Los Gatos vs Oak Grove, and Las Lomas vs Rancho Cotate.

Pitt was terribly overmatched in every facet of the game and DLS had a 14-0 lead after 1 and lead 35-0 at the half. The game was literally over halfway thru the second quarter. Los Gatos lead 14-0 at the half and won 21-0. Another boring non-competitive game. The half-time break took nearly 40 minutes. Ridiculous. And my much heralded alma mater Las Lomas was tied 0-0 with Cotate after three quarters, but succumbed to a bone-chilling loss of 7-0 in 42 degree rainy weather. Another horrible bore. But at least I was watching it from the comfy warm confines of my home and drinking some Pliny.

Maybe I should have tuned into the Mater Dei vs St. John Bosco game instead?

At State . . . Clayton Valley won their first State 2-AA Title in classic Ugly Eagle fashion, running the ball time after time after time against Aquinas. No surprise there, as that is what Coach Tim Murphy does. I'm happy for the kids, and especially RB Omari Taylor whose older brother Omar was gunned down at that Air-BnB Halloween Party in Orinda on Halloween Night (he was the DJ). But it was not fun to watch. Omari ran for 51 yards on 27 carries.

The QB from Aquinas (Mauigoa) was a big kid from American Samoa who was terribly "off" for 3.5 quarters of the game. Every throw was over the head or behind someone. Aquinas only gained 68 yards thru 43 minutes of the game. Again, boring! CV won 10 - 7, after a late Aquinas TD. Aquinas QB Mauigoa finally found a rhythm during a 2 minute drill that literally left you shaking your head. Out of nowhere, he finally looked like a pro out there .... making you wonder where this kid had been all game long. It was so weird.

Like everyone else, I really looked forward to the DLS vs St. John Bosco Open Division Game knowing full well that DLS was an underdog. And within minutes, it was clear that one team was a D1 college team and the other was from a JC. Not taking anything away from DLS, especially given how they repeatedly hung in there and clawed their way back, but the difference in speed and size was glaring.

Here's what Dabo Swinney had to say about Bosco QB DJ Uiagalelei:

"He's has everything that the great ones we've had, just bigger. He's not 6-6 like Trevor, but none of those guys were 240 pounds, and he can run as well as anybody we've had. Trevor, Deshaun, both of those guys can run. And he's special with his arm and his legs like those guys Just a special young man. Just a very humble young man. No entitlement. No drama. Been committed a long time."

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Hate to be pedantic, but as a retired CPA can't resist. The list of exemptions for filing a 990 includes: "A school below college level affiliated with a church or operated by a religious order."
cal83dls79
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DiabloWags said:

socalBear23 said:

Big C said:

Anybody know how and how much the head coaches at these super-power Catholic schools get compensated? I know Ladouceur up here at DLS was a full-time teacher at the school (and supposedly quite a good one, too), but these guys MUST be getting more money than that. Do they get paid by "booster clubs"? Any idea how much? I'm guessing at private schools, that info is also private, or is it?
Nobody really knows, but I heard from a very reliable source that the OC makes around 250k. So maybe 1/2 a mil for HC.


I literally puked my Peet's Coffee all over my keyboard when reading this.
It's pure fantasy!

In any event, I just wanted to say that every year in November I buy into all of the prep sports writing hype about the upcoming CIF Regional Football Match-Ups.... and every year I wind up being severely disappointed. I have relegated myself to the fact that post season NORCAL high school football is incredibly BORING . . . even at the Regional level.

On November 29th, I was literally live streaming 3 games at once.
DLS vs Pittsburg, Los Gatos vs Oak Grove, and Las Lomas vs Rancho Cotate.

Pitt was terribly overmatched in every facet of the game and DLS had a 14-0 lead after 1 and lead 35-0 at the half. The game was literally over halfway thru the second quarter. Los Gatos lead 14-0 at the half and won 21-0. Another boring non-competitive game. The half-time break took nearly 40 minutes. Ridiculous. And my much heralded alma mater Las Lomas was tied 0-0 with Cotate after three quarters, but succumbed to a bone-chilling loss of 7-0 in 42 degree rainy weather. Another horrible bore. But at least I was watching it from the comfy warm confines of my home and drinking some Pliny.

Maybe I should have tuned into the Mater Dei vs St. John Bosco game instead?

At State . . . Clayton Valley won their first State 2-AA Title in classic Ugly Eagle fashion, running the ball time after time after time against Aquinas. No surprise there, as that is what Coach Tim Murphy does. I'm happy for the kids, and especially RB Omari Taylor whose older brother Omar was gunned down at that Air-BnB Halloween Party in Orinda on Halloween Night (he was the DJ). But it was not fun to watch. Omari ran for 51 yards on 27 carries.

The QB from Aquinas (Mauigoa) was a big kid from American Samoa who was terribly "off" for 3.5 quarters of the game. Every throw was over the head or behind someone. Aquinas only gained 68 yards thru 43 minutes of the game. Again, boring! CV won 10 - 7, after a late Aquinas TD. Aquinas QB Mauigoa finally found a rhythm during a 2 minute drill that literally left you shaking your head. Out of nowhere, he finally looked like a pro out there .... making you wonder where this kid had been all game long. It was so weird.

Like everyone else, I really looked forward to the DLS vs St. John Bosco Open Division Game knowing full well that DLS was an underdog. And within minutes, it was clear that one team was a D1 college team and the other was from a JC. Not taking anything away from DLS, especially given how they repeatedly hung in there and clawed their way back, but the difference in speed and size was glaring.

Here's what Dabo Swinney had to say about Bosco QB DJ Uiagalelei:

"He's has everything that the great ones we've had, just bigger. He's not 6-6 like Trevor, but none of those guys were 240 pounds, and he can run as well as anybody we've had. Trevor, Deshaun, both of those guys can run. And he's special with his arm and his legs like those guys Just a special young man. Just a very humble young man. No entitlement. No drama. Been committed a long time."


good take. I came to same concussion as did a number of reasonable folks. Huge base to draw from down there, gives them a huge advantage. The micro issues here in the east bay, well, lord ..how many kids on our teams from those leagues?
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LudwigsFountain said:

Hate to be pedantic, but as a retired CPA can't resist. The list of exemptions for filing a 990 includes: "A school below college level affiliated with a church or operated by a religious order."
not pedantic by any means. Speculative he'll yes. Put it out there. No facts
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