Cool. Could be a program defining statement for the PAC 12 defending champs.

As an alumni of Notre Dame's law school....Go Bears!!!

Wow. Did that just come out of nowhere? Did it replace a different game?

Regardless, that'll be a once in a lifetime experience. No way I'm gonna miss that.

Amazing...can't believe this has finally happened.

Too bad that Cal could not secure a home-and-home agreement for this series.

I think the Domers would have found a visit to Berkeley a heckuva lot more fun and interesting than their once every two years trip to the Farm.

Why not a 1-1? Notre Dame too weak to demand we visit without reciprocity.

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Too bad that Cal could not secure a home-and-home agreement for this series.

I think the Domers would have found a visit to Berkeley a heckuva lot more fun and interesting than their once every two years trip to the Farm.

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Stanford was terrible when they negotiated the home-home series. I do hope we are getting cash.

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Wow. Did that just come out of nowhere? Did it replace a different game?

Regardless, that'll be a once in a lifetime experience. No way I'm gonna miss that.

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I have a long post on the inside board why this is a lifetime experience for a football fan (we have had 6 lifetime experiences there), but let me echo, this is a can't miss experience, and you have to do the charter train ride from Chicago. It is part to that experience.

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BearBoarBlarney said:

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Too bad that Cal could not secure a home-and-home agreement for this series.

I think the Domers would have found a visit to Berkeley a heckuva lot more fun and interesting than their once every two years trip to the Farm.

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Stanford was terrible when they negotiated the home-home series. I do hope we are getting cash.

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Rumors abound about schedule changes. Strength of schedule now matters and the perception is Cal is on the rise. Patience.

No one stays in Palo Alto or Berkeley from the Midwest when they can do The City.

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Too bad that Cal could not secure a home-and-home agreement for this series.

I think the Domers would have found a visit to Berkeley a heckuva lot more fun and interesting than their once every two years trip to the Farm.

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Stanford was terrible when they negotiated the home-home series. I do hope we are getting cash.

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Rumors abound about schedule changes. Strength of schedule now matters and the perception is Cal is on the rise. Patience.

No one stays in Palo Alto or Berkeley from the Midwest when they can do The City.

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I looked at the 2022 schedule, and didn't realize it was so weak (before this game was added).

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Wow. Did that just come out of nowhere? Did it replace a different game?

Regardless, that'll be a once in a lifetime experience. No way I'm gonna miss that.

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I have a long post on the inside board why this is a lifetime experience for a football fan (we have had 6 lifetime experiences there), but let me echo, this is a can't miss experience, and you have to do the charter train ride from Chicago. It is part to that experience.

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Just saw that. Great info. Thanks. I have a good USC buddy (don't judge) who goes to all the ND games and what you suggested is exactly what he always does.

Should be an awesome weekend. #rudywasoffsides

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Too bad that Cal could not secure a home-and-home agreement for this series.

I think the Domers would have found a visit to Berkeley a heckuva lot more fun and interesting than their once every two years trip to the Farm.

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Stanford was terrible when they negotiated the home-home series. I do hope we are getting cash.

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No cash, but 1000 8 x 10 glossies of DeBartolo Hall autographed by Eddie D.

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I have a long post on the inside board why this is a lifetime experience for a football fan (we have had 6 lifetime experiences there), but let me echo, this is a can't miss experience, and you have to do the charter train ride from Chicago. It is part to that experience.

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Could you share it with the hoi polloi?

Have Murph draw you a pint. He drew me a couple when I was on a college tour with my daughter in April, 2012. Nice man.

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Our crappy AD is continuing to sell us out. Playing a top team on the road for money is what chump programs do. It decreases your chances of being successful as a football program but increases your chances of making a quick buck. Yeah, it would be great to go to Notre Dame -- if we win. But playing top teams on the road is a recipe for defeats. If I were the coach, I'd leave the program ASAP for a school that sets its team up for success instead of failure and that cares more about winning then selling it's football team out for cash.

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Our crappy AD is continuing to sell us out. Playing a top team on the road for money is what chump programs do. It decreases your chances of being successful as a football program but increases your chances of making a quick buck. Yeah, it would be great to go to Notre Dame -- if we win. But playing top teams on the road is a recipe for defeats. If I were the coach, I'd leave the program ASAP for a school that sets its team up for success instead of failure and that cares more about winning then selling it's football team out for cash.

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Don't agree. Playing there is more than the money - exposure, recruiting, certainly enhances our status nationally if we perform well - even if we play tough and lose. Plus it gives me, the team, fans, players the game of a lifetime against a legendary team. Rather stay with the schedule? UNLV?

stivo said:

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Our crappy AD is continuing to sell us out. Playing a top team on the road for money is what chump programs do. It decreases your chances of being successful as a football program but increases your chances of making a quick buck. Yeah, it would be great to go to Notre Dame -- if we win. But playing top teams on the road is a recipe for defeats. If I were the coach, I'd leave the program ASAP for a school that sets its team up for success instead of failure and that cares more about winning then selling it's football team out for cash.

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tag this post for when the full schedule changes come out.

The loser whiner mentality sucks,

Hopefully recruits have a different reaction.

wifeisafurd said:

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stivo said:

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Our crappy AD is continuing to sell us out. Playing a top team on the road for money is what chump programs do. It decreases your chances of being successful as a football program but increases your chances of making a quick buck. Yeah, it would be great to go to Notre Dame -- if we win. But playing top teams on the road is a recipe for defeats. If I were the coach, I'd leave the program ASAP for a school that sets its team up for success instead of failure and that cares more about winning then selling it's football team out for cash.

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tag this post for when the full schedule changes come out.

The loser whiner mentality sucks,

Hopefully recruits have a different reaction.

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Unless those other changes include Notre Dame playing at CMS, or another big name team playing at CMS without the Bears having to return the game, it's not an even trade off.

Playing a one-off buy game at Notre Dame would make Cal look like Toledo. And that's how the national media will view it.

If Stanford played at Notre Dame without the Irish ever playing on the Farm, we'd be laughing at them.

Why?

That's already how the national media sees us.

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That's already how the national media sees us.

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Then the last thing the athletic department should be doing is giving national media schmucks more ammunition for that image.

The only way to save yourself from that is to start winning. And with the Pac down, it's not enough to win in-conference anymore. Winning over a blueblood would, so winning this game is of utmost importance for our own relevance nationally.

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The only way to save yourself from that is to start winning. And with the Pac down, it's not enough to win in-conference anymore. Winning over a blueblood would, so winning this game is of utmost importance for our own relevance nationally.

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Nothing you say is completely wrong (national opinion of pac is low), but at the same time nothing you say counters SD's post. We have those chances versus TCU, Auburn and potentially Florida in the next decade. We played Texas and Ohio State home and home as well.

We don't need to play Notre Dame on the road only just to get respect. Road only games create a situation where you don't get the chance to return the favor at home where there is a home field advantage. A home and home split would be far better than road loss, and a split is generally what is most likely.

In the past few years, I can only find a Oregon State road game @ Ohio State as a P5 road game in exchange for $$$. They received 1.7 million in 2018. But also consider that Kent State is receiving 1.9 million to play at Auburn in 2020. And 1.5 million to play at Arizona State.

I'll probably look into going to ND when 2022 come around, but for fans under 50, I'd guess it's not the once in a lifetime trip it is for older fans who were alive in ND's national heyday with all the mystique.

I would argue that of those programs only Auburn and Ohio State are on the same level as Notre Dame even now. TCU is a good program but is not storied and hasn't been in Big 12 contention since losing Boykin and Texas was under Charlie Strong and consistently underperforming at the time. This is still likely to be a Brian Kelly Notre Dame team not far removed from the playoff, being in it more recently than any Pac-12 team. And whatever importance is attributed to them, no matter how unearned, still makes them a great feather in a cap if they're beaten assuming they're having a good year.

Hell, remember when Texas beat Notre Dame in 2016 and the announcers started screaming "TEXAS IS BACK" -- yeah that's a joke now because we know how bad both teams were but that's the kind of relevance you can get with this sort of win assuming you sustain the momentum.

Have noted elsewhere but Wilcox is currently 9-0 in these pre-season OOC games. With this year's team it looks like that could be 12-0. If anyone should be worried it should be Notre Dame.

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wifeisafurd said:

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stivo said:

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Our crappy AD is continuing to sell us out. Playing a top team on the road for money is what chump programs do. It decreases your chances of being successful as a football program but increases your chances of making a quick buck. Yeah, it would be great to go to Notre Dame -- if we win. But playing top teams on the road is a recipe for defeats. If I were the coach, I'd leave the program ASAP for a school that sets its team up for success instead of failure and that cares more about winning then selling it's football team out for cash.

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tag this post for when the full schedule changes come out.

The loser whiner mentality sucks,

Hopefully recruits have a different reaction.

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Unless those other changes include Notre Dame playing at CMS, or another big name team playing at CMS without the Bears having to return the game, it's not an even trade off.

Playing a one-off buy game at Notre Dame would make Cal look like Toledo. And that's how the national media will view it.

If Stanford played at Notre Dame without the Irish ever playing on the Farm, we'd be laughing at them.

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You don't know what the schedule changes are yet.

The national media already thinks the Pac sucks (other than maybe Oregon) and the only way to change that is to go beat someone like Notre Dame (even if they have a sucky team, which Kellly sometimes has had during his tenure).

And if we think Cal football is progressing toward a 10 win team, we need to beat teams like Notre Dame in South Bend to get to a playoff. The 2020 season had 3 OOC teams who are have a horrible strength of schedule Let's say Cal wins the Pac. Who cares? The argument will be they won a weak conference and beat three cream puffs outside conference. All that changes if you beat Notre Dame even tif they don't have a particular good team. And if they have a good team, the midwest folks have your back come post-season. Its time for Cal to think big for once, rather than sound like a bunch of ***** whiners.

Edit: starred word is something you would call a cat.

wifeisafurd said:

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wifeisafurd said:

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stivo said:

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Our crappy AD is continuing to sell us out. Playing a top team on the road for money is what chump programs do. It decreases your chances of being successful as a football program but increases your chances of making a quick buck. Yeah, it would be great to go to Notre Dame -- if we win. But playing top teams on the road is a recipe for defeats. If I were the coach, I'd leave the program ASAP for a school that sets its team up for success instead of failure and that cares more about winning then selling it's football team out for cash.

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tag this post for when the full schedule changes come out.

The loser whiner mentality sucks,

Hopefully recruits have a different reaction.

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Unless those other changes include Notre Dame playing at CMS, or another big name team playing at CMS without the Bears having to return the game, it's not an even trade off.

Playing a one-off buy game at Notre Dame would make Cal look like Toledo. And that's how the national media will view it.

If Stanford played at Notre Dame without the Irish ever playing on the Farm, we'd be laughing at them.

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You don't know what the schedule changes are yet.

The national media already thinks the Pac sucks (other than maybe Oregon) and the only way to change that is to go beat someone like Notre Dame (even if they have a sucky team, which Kellly sometimes has had during his tenure).

And if we think Cal football is progressing toward a 10 win team, we need to beat teams like Notre Dame in South Bend to get to a playoff. The 2020 season had 3 OOC teams who are have a horrible strength of schedule Let's say Cal wins the Pac. Who cares? The argument will be they won a weak conference and beat three cream puffs outside conference. All that changes if you beat Notre Dame even tif they don't have a particular good team. And if they have a good team, the midwest folks have your back come post-season. Its time for Cal to think big for once, rather than sound like a bunch of ***** whiners.

Edit: starred word is something you would call a cat.

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I think one can make a case either way.

Cal should never capitulate to a school that refuses to play a 1:1.

Cal needs to do what is necessary to move to the next level nationally. Playing ND (and winning) would be a big step in that direction.

In this instance, I fall more in the latter camp.

ND has 8/30 and 9/6 as open dates in 2025. So does Cal...

ND's last road game @ Furd is 2023 under their current contract.

I'd say playing ND - even if at Levi's (Jed York is a big ND fan) - would be preferred to a one off road game. And possible in 2025.

Curious how long we will have to wait before the future schedule changes are announced. I'm intrigued, but with the suspicion it may be dissapointing.

ColoradoBear said:

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ND has 8/30 and 9/6 as open dates in 2025. So does Cal...

ND's last road game @ Furd is 2023 under their current contract.

I'd say playing ND - even if at Levi's (Jed York is a big ND fan) - would be preferred to a one off road game. And possible in 2025.

Curious how long we will have to wait before the future schedule changes are announced. I'm intrigued, but with the suspicion it may be dissapointing.

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Re: future schedules, believe it is a possibility only when you see an official announcement (even then things can change later). Anything short of that is speculation that may or may not come to fruition.

Besides the obvious fact that Notre Dame is one of the most historic and famous "brands" in college football, is a football weekend visit to ND much different from a visit to any other great road opponent like Tennessee, Texas, or Ole Miss? Curious what has folks so hopped up for this one, besides the ND name.

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ND has 8/30 and 9/6 as open dates in 2025. So does Cal...

ND's last road game @ Furd is 2023 under their current contract.

I'd say playing ND - even if at Levi's (Jed York is a big ND fan) - would be preferred to a one off road game. And possible in 2025.

Curious how long we will have to wait before the future schedule changes are announced. I'm intrigued, but with the suspicion it may be dissapointing.

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Re: future schedules, believe it is a possibility only when you see an official announcement (even then things can change later). Anything short of that is speculation that may or may not come to fruition.

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I'm not even speculating - just pointing out that it would not have been too hard to schedule a ND return trip to CA, and in the year (2025) we need a decent home game badly. And also a year where ND doesn't have a CA trip in the books as of now.

We can beat this to death right now, but if both seabass and wiaf say good things are coming, I'll stop now and patiently wait.

But in general we should play 1:1, and try our best to get the home game in an odd year. A strict odd year policy does almost eliminate half the teams from conferences w/ unbalnced schedules (ie the BT and B12 who have 9 game confererence schedule).

Notre Dame is not so reputable that they are worthy of a buy game. I'm absolutely sure a one off @ Michigan, @Penn St, @ Texas, @Oklahoma, @Alabama or @LSU would be a @#$ no from Cal.

But scheduling issues can happen where something different has to happen.

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ColoradoBear said:

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ND has 8/30 and 9/6 as open dates in 2025. So does Cal...

ND's last road game @ Furd is 2023 under their current contract.

I'd say playing ND - even if at Levi's (Jed York is a big ND fan) - would be preferred to a one off road game. And possible in 2025.

Curious how long we will have to wait before the future schedule changes are announced. I'm intrigued, but with the suspicion it may be dissapointing.

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Re: future schedules, believe it is a possibility only when you see an official announcement (even then things can change later). Anything short of that is speculation that may or may not come to fruition.

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That is true. The 2020 Notre Dame game had been agreed upon some time ago, but as noted elsewhere, a lot of games had to change to accommodate just this game, for this year. And schedules have to be approved by a cast of thousands (e.g., the conferences). So I suggest everyone wait. The one thing I heard about is a big deal if it happens, but as pointed out elsewhere by the moderators, there are several changes that appear to be coming.