https://calbears.com/news/2020/7/10/athletics-news-pac-12-statement-on-fall-seasons.aspx

Conference games only - details to follow

AuBear81 said:

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https://calbears.com/news/2020/7/10/athletics-news-pac-12-statement-on-fall-seasons.aspx

Likely conference games only - details to follow

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Reading that it actually confirms conference only games for football with schedule details to follow.

Agreed. I had to read it a few times... Makes sense given the circumstances, and it seems pandemic metrics may still scuttle things.

ColoradoBear said:

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AuBear81 said:

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https://calbears.com/news/2020/7/10/athletics-news-pac-12-statement-on-fall-seasons.aspx

Likely conference games only - details to follow

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Reading that it actually confirms conference only games for football with schedule details to follow.

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Once the Big Ten made their announcement, it was fait accompli that the P12 would follow.

So I wont miss the vegas trip? Serious question as I was pretty bummed about not being willing to go.

71Bear said:

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ColoradoBear said:

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AuBear81 said:

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https://calbears.com/news/2020/7/10/athletics-news-pac-12-statement-on-fall-seasons.aspx

Likely conference games only - details to follow

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Reading that it actually confirms conference only games for football with schedule details to follow.

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Once the Big Ten made their announcement, it was fait accompli that the P12 would follow.

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and the ACC.

wifeisafurd said:

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71Bear said:

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ColoradoBear said:

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AuBear81 said:

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https://calbears.com/news/2020/7/10/athletics-news-pac-12-statement-on-fall-seasons.aspx

Likely conference games only - details to follow

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Reading that it actually confirms conference only games for football with schedule details to follow.

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Once the Big Ten made their announcement, it was fait accompli that the P12 would follow.

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and the ACC.

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Officially, a decision by the ACC is still pending. IMO, it is only a matter of time before they make the call to eliminate OOC's....

10 games fit into 14 weeks could work... could pause is need be for co-vid. It's actually a practical solution to some extent.

This move is illogical. Play all or nothing.

From the espn article:

https://www.espn.com/college-sports/story/_/id/29442474/pac-12-follows-big-ten-moving-conference-only-schedule-fall-sports

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One of the reasons the Pac-12 decided to push back the start of the football season was a concern that UCLA and USC would not be ready to play in early September because of coronavirus cases in the Los Angeles area, sources told ESPN.

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Makes sense; it's very unlikely that the LA teams and the Arizona teams will be cleared to begin football practice any time in the next month.

It doesn't really matter if the team is in LA or Arizona or Alaska.

If the schools can control the environment of the student-athletes then there won't be any issues.

If the student-athletes are free to do whatever they want on their own time then there are going to be problems.

So teams either have to obtain buy-in from all of the players, coaches, and trainers (such as isolating together in the same dorm for the season) or else just forget it.

The focus on geography is misguided. It does play a part in that a kid who sneak out to see his girlfriend in LA is more likely to bring the virus back to the team than one in Montana, but the underlying issue has a lot more to do with control and discipline.

Since these are 18-21 year olds I am guessing that enough of them won't be able to follow the rules no matter which school they play for.

dimitrig said:

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It doesn't really matter if the team is in LA or Arizona or Alaska.

If the schools can control the environment of the student-athletes then there won't be any issues.

If the student-athletes are free to do whatever they want on their own time then there are going to be problems.

So teams either have to obtain buy-in from all of the players, coaches, and trainers (such as isolating together in the same dorm for the season) or else just forget it.

The focus on geography is misguided. It does play a part in that a kid who sneak out to see his girlfriend in LA is more likely to bring the virus back to the team than one in Montana, but the underlying issue has a lot more to do with control and discipline.

Since these are 18-21 year olds I am guessing that enough of them won't be able to follow the rules no matter which school they play for.

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So true. As an 18 year old freshman on a D1 team, I did not use good judgement, at all! For this reason, and several others, we will not have a season this fall, and I doubt this spring. Look at the 18-20 year olds around you now. And away from home?

Judgment goes out the window as the socialization goes on. Young people group closely together and have trouble not touching. You can watch it in you own family, in news film out in public. It just happens. No judgment of the behavior. It seems instinctive and just happens.

So what happens when a Power 5 team ends up having a rash of COVID19 cases? The backups play and the team just deals with it? That's inevitably going to happen and likely happen multiple times throughout the leagues.

It will likely have to get real bad before people wake up. San Mateo Athletic club opens tomorrow and half the people I know there are going back with 50 minute limited work outs, no fans and limited equipmrnt

oskidunker said:

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It will likely have to get real bad before people wake up. San Mateo Athletic club opens tomorrow and half the people I know there are going back with 50 minute limited work outs, no fans and limited equipment

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friend -
please reassure you're too smart to go back, nor hang'n with half the people you knew there, riight?
many zombies contagious infected don't show obvious symptoms until they've already Passed It On.
# just takes one whoopsie to ruin a bear's life
signed, 41/42 hunkered down bear

Big C said:

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..unless we start seeing people we know dying in a hospital corridor while waiting for an open spot in the ICU.

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damn BigC.. voice of experience?

smh said:

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Big C said:

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..unless we start seeing people we know dying in a hospital corridor while waiting for an open spot in the ICU.

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damn BigC.. voice of experience?

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Not yet, smh, fortunately. I HAVE been guilty of letting my daughter play with her friend, in our back yard. She would come in to tell me how well they were social distancing. Then I went out there: They were two feet apart, the friend had her mask down by her chin and my daughter had lost hers. This all happened in 15-20 minutes.

Unless there is a 6-week mandatory federally-imposed lockdown of 90% of the American population, there will be no sports until there is a vaccine. Things are not getting better in America.

Big C said:

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smh said:

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Big C said:

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..unless we start seeing people we know dying in a hospital corridor while waiting for an open spot in the ICU.

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damn BigC.. voice of experience?

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Not yet, smh, fortunately. I HAVE been guilty of letting my daughter play with her friend, in our back yard. She would come in to tell me how well they were social distancing. Then I went out there: They were two feet apart, the friend had her mask down by her chin and my daughter had lost hers. This all happened in 15-20 minutes.

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I have this image of your daughter being 4, but she's probably 14. Amiright?

touchdownbears43 said:

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So what happens when a Power 5 team ends up having a rash of COVID19 cases? The backups play and the team just deals with it? That's inevitably going to happen and likely happen multiple times throughout the leagues.

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That will be a battle. Suppose the team with a lot of covid cases wants to reschedule that game, and the other team says, "No way, the schedule says we play this game today, get out here and line up your scrubs against our starters."

This happened a few weeks ago in a soccer match in Europe. The better team in the game had to quarantine their entire first-team squad; the weaker team decided they needed the win too badly to be nice about it. The better team's youth academy players had to play the game and lost 10-0.

"The better team's youth academy players had to play the game and lost 10-0."

Oh, the humanity!

touchdownbears43 said:

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So what happens when a Power 5 team ends up having a rash of COVID19 cases? The backups play and the team just deals with it? That's inevitably going to happen and likely happen multiple times throughout the leagues.

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yes, just like dealing with a rash of injuries. If too many players on too many teams are down, too many back players, especially frosh, it becomes unsafe in a contact sport, and there goes the season.

Business employees at essential services (the person where you buy groceries), emergency workers, and the like all have been taking on some level of risk, and at some point, if there is a season, we are asking players in all sports to take on some risk. Hopefully, the decisions makers are thinking wisely about the risks, and demand and enforce safety protocols if season go forward. Understand that everyone, particular players, want sports back. Absent an effective vaccine program in the next couple months, the season will be subject to risk. No way around that.

touchdownbears43 said:

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So what happens when a Power 5 team ends up having a rash of COVID19 cases? The backups play and the team just deals with it? That's inevitably going to happen and likely happen multiple times throughout the leagues.

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It solves the problem as I saw it.

With a truncated season, or even with a 11 conference schedule, the season has a massive asterisk next to it.

May as well play all the backups. The season doesnt matter anyway. Its just to do SOMETHING rather than skip a season.

dimitrig said:

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Big C said:

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smh said:

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Big C said:

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..unless we start seeing people we know dying in a hospital corridor while waiting for an open spot in the ICU.

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damn BigC.. voice of experience?

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Not yet, smh, fortunately. I HAVE been guilty of letting my daughter play with her friend, in our back yard. She would come in to tell me how well they were social distancing. Then I went out there: They were two feet apart, the friend had her mask down by her chin and my daughter had lost hers. This all happened in 15-20 minutes.

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I have this image of your daughter being 4, but she's probably 14. Amiright?

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Eight. Sometimes 8 going on 14, other times 8 going on 4, so your image intersects with reality, in a way.