KoreAmBear said:
Of course that wasn't indicative of a Wilcox team, especially on D. But I was a little disturbed by Musgrave's offense. I hope his style works, or at least he adjusts to what is not working. I did not like @killa22's initial read on this topic.
Yeah sorry, I'm a little bearish on this whole pro-style offense thing.
Musgraves has a tremendous resume, and I have no doubt he knows what he's doing, within his system. But honestly, when he started talking about his roots as being Erhardt-Perkins thats when my skepticism radar started pinging hard.
That's kind of like stating you are "Proficient in Windows 95" on your resume.
If i recall correctly, you're from Hawaii right? You probably saw the abortion that was Norm Chow's legendary west coast offense play out live, right? This has kind of has all the makings of something similar, but to be fair, if Musgraves is Windows 95, Norm Chow is still running MS-DOS.
My hope is that Musgraves can quickly adapt to what he saw, cut the crap from the playbook and just focus on the good. There's film there of what we can do well, and what we should avoid with a 10 foot barge pole.
This all underscores the bigger point -- since when has anyone going "Pro-Style" in the modern era worked out?
Remember Mack Brown's Texas Pro-Style experiment? How'd that work out for Garrett Gilbert? That guy was a force @ SMU in a Air Raid / Run and Shoot Hybrid more in line w/ what he did @ Lake Travis -- keeping with your Hawaii paradigm here, June Jones had to rehab that guy. Look where he's at now -- likely starter for the Cowboys lol.
Well back to Mack Brown -- when he decided to come out of retirement, do you think he dialed up some Pro Style Guru? Nope, he went straight to Longo and went all in on Air Raid. North Carolina is more relevant now than they have ever been in the past.
Harbaughs Furd crap wasn't working at Michigan so he went the Penn State route -- but Moorehead was probably the true mind behind that deal anyway, and now Oregon upgraded with that guy (he's definitely better served as an OC than a HC -- and Stark Vegas is kind of a bizarre place anyway. Jury's out on whether Leach can fix that mess -- history says he will, but he should've gotten a better QB than Costello - that guy is brutally turnover prone.
Ask Gene Chizik how going Pro-Style worked out for Auburn. They almost dropped an opener to Utah State lol -- Chuckie Keeton was the man, btw. Oh Gary Anderson shoutout too.
Who else tried this pro-style move? Not completely sure, but yeah it probably didn't work out.
I know you guys weren't fans of Sonny, but he did some stuff that was actually cool and make you look @ it and be like wow, I really want to steal that and use it in my offense. He still does some cool stuff with budget Lincoln Riley as his OC.
Honestly, I cannot say I would borrow anything from that UCLA game. Kill it. Kill it with fire.
Right now, in the Pac 12, Oregon and Wazzu do the coolest ***** USC is like milque-toast Air-Raid. Were it not for Pittman and the rest of their elite receivers, we would've murdered them again likely. Drop 8 that to death a la Jimmy Lake and the rest of the current SEC minus LSU (Bcuz Bo Pelini is a lunatic, but still is the best Nebraska Coach of the last 15 years, if that's crazy enough).
Honestly, if you're a student of the game as a coach you kind of have to be a history fan. There's a ton of cool film to look @ & borrow from. Guys all over the place are creative. Random quote -- Mark Twain once said History never repeats itself, but it rhymes.
Well the whole let's be physical and run a pro-style offense approach -- we've seen that play out before. I know what that song sounds like, and it kind of sucks.
I'm sure we can check in with Arizona State in a little bit and see how that works out for them as well, but at least Zak Hill did some cool stuff @ Eastern Washington (he really was the guy we shouldve gone after, not Baldwin, if we wanted Eastern Washington offense), and then Boise (which as I said earlier, is really the only program that has ever pulled that multiple crap off well).
Coastal Carolina does some real cool **** from the pistol using flexbone like principles. That looks like a real ***** to stop.
Run and Shoot up at Wazzu? Screw that as a defensive coach. Ask anyone in the NFL how much fun it was to defend. Belicheck still has nightmares about the Run and Shoot. ****'s unstoppable if its clicking -- which makes sense since its a we keep the chalk last type offense. This gets especially more relevant if they get the dudes to make that thing really hum. Those guys turned a 2 Star white dude with dreads into one of the scariest players @ QB the last two years (scary to both themselves and their opponents) he was Jameis Winston like with his ability to throw TDs and INTs. If I recall correctly, Rolovich had Hawaii with a 5k Passer, a 1K rusher, and 3 1K receivers at one point. Then almost did the same last year, but played two guys @ Q. Those guys will put up numbers, it's just a matter of time.
Oregon does some nasty stuff too. They didn't go complete cold turkey from last year, but its a pistol based spread offense built around solidly paired run schemes, play action, screens, and QB Run / RPO.
UCLA (but Chip is tame compared to what he was @ Oregon) -- option based run game, air raid based pass concepts -- Chip runs Y cross more than the Air Raid guys do, but the pro-style game rubbed off on him in the wrong way TBH. He finally got away from using TE's with DTR and now that guys just going off of dudes.
UW? They're going to be below average on offense. That guy sucked at Vanderbilt, and sucked at Penn State too. Probably gonna suck at UW. Im calling it.
Arizona? -- Mazzone runs decent stuff, like he's not the greatest, but he's not bad either. I would borrow stuff from that guy.
Stanfurd? -- screw those guys. The fact that people here want to emulate them has gotta be the weakest thing I've ever seen.
Oregon State? That guy is like Zak Hill, another Boise type offense guy, but with less talent. Still, they can put up points, which is a problem for us next week, because we cannot put up points. They don't have a good receiver anymore, just the midget guy who i like, and the TE who is our OC's nephew who is decent. RB is legit, but Smith knows how to use his dudes, that's the scary part. The QB isn't great, but he played decent.
Utah? Andy Ludwig is probably overpaid, they are probably going to be average on offense. But they will be sound, and they will have enough QB run option elements to give guys problems. Good thing Moss is gone, that guy was legit.
That about covers it for the PAC 12. But yeah, I'm not too excited about our prospects. But I like it that way, because if they do pull it off, I'll be surprised and not disappointed.
