Gonna be a while for us. At least 3 or 4 years after our current group is gone. I would hire Legans over Gates. Eastern Washington was way better prepared to play a good team than Cleveland State was.

well the kicker couldn't beat a listless team coached by an assistant

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Gonna be a while for us. At least 3 or 4 years after our current group is gone. I would hire Legans over Gates. Eastern Washington was way better prepared to play a good team than Cleveland State was.

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Eastern Washington looks good in the Ken Pom metrics. Very efficient offense, which is my first indicator of a good X's and O's coach.

Dennis Gates gives a great interview (contrary to some reports). He appears to be a great motivator and likely a very good recruiter. My guess is he is more of a "get your guys to play tough defense" kind of coach, just 21st century motivation instead of the authoritarian.

Legan's team looked well coached in the Tournament. Gates team did not. Don't know why so many here think that Gates would be an improvement over Fox. .If it's recruiting, I was much more impressed with the local talent that Legan's was able to procure at Eastern Washington than the talent displayed by Cleveland State.

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Gates' challenge in his interview was his lack of preparation. He didn't do any homework on the roster or the team.

That was, however, not the high-order bit. The entire process was broken and doomed given Mike Williams' approach.

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Agreed on Gates background - Had Musselman ready to go until a university prof was clearly going to contest his potential hiring (since he had earlier hired Huffnagel), Amaker was a possibility, but He wanted a university teaching position for his wife and Turner though impressive, came across arrogant to Williams. Joe Pasternak did not even get an interview - though he had prior HC experience, knows Cal extremely well, understands Admission restrictions, has the ear of some major donors and has strong ties to some former players. HIs 22-4 record this season with league and conf tournament titles albeit in Big West was very impressive.

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If even 10% of that is true (other than Pasternack not getting an interview, that is actually true), I'll eat my Cal baseball cap.

And Pasternack not being interviewed is a good thing, as he is a dirty coach that gets caught, which is the absolute worst kind of dirty coach. But it's clear you have a mancrush on him. Maybe you're even related to Roxy Bernstein somehow.

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Ha - I will respond for the banter - 100% true so be sure and put some catsup and relish on your hat. I would add that technically Muscleman did pull out when he felt there would be a drawn out approval process. Joe is certainly not dirty and in part why he left the Zona program, because he wanted no part of the shenanigans there, but mainly to work his way up to desired HC jobs. And no relation to Roxy - though I think highly of him. Joe has always thought of the Cal HC job as his dream job and still believes that.

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He left UofA after 6 years under Sean Miller in 2017 when he was named head coach at UCSB. He only noticed when he had a better job? Moreover, Pasternak was specifically mentioned in the Yahoo and NCAA investigations as the lead assistant who was working with the agents to land players.

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The investigation from the NCAA was directed at Emanuel "Book" Richardson and Mark Phelps under Sean Miller not Joe Pasternak. Joe was not a party nor charged with those illegal acts by those mentioned above.

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Pasternak was named in court in sworn testimony by Bowen's father as the Arizona assistant coach who was to make $50k available to him if Brian Bowen Jr signed with Arizona. He didn't sign with UA, so the payment wasn't made. The other violations came after Pasternak took the UCSB job. So no charges, against him, but hard to believe there were not other examples in Pasternak's seven years with Arizona. His subpoenaed cell phone records showed frequent conversations with the agent over the years.

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No charges, "violations" were not involving Joe P. Some innuedo/inferences thrown about, but nothing was proven. Joe has done a remarkable job at UCSB and the announcers yesterday were constant in their praise of his program's development and quality roster he and staff have built. He would be an excellent fit at Cal for many reasons - notably he understands first hand the constraints Cal has, can raise needed funds from the donors who have the capability to impact our program, is a tireless worker.recruiter, would bring back former players with "credibility" and would not bolt. He has stated time and again - "Cal is my dream HC job".

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Gates' challenge in his interview was his lack of preparation. He didn't do any homework on the roster or the team.

That was, however, not the high-order bit. The entire process was broken and doomed given Mike Williams' approach.

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Agreed on Gates background - Had Musselman ready to go until a university prof was clearly going to contest his potential hiring (since he had earlier hired Huffnagel), Amaker was a possibility, but He wanted a university teaching position for his wife and Turner though impressive, came across arrogant to Williams. Joe Pasternak did not even get an interview - though he had prior HC experience, knows Cal extremely well, understands Admission restrictions, has the ear of some major donors and has strong ties to some former players. HIs 22-4 record this season with league and conf tournament titles albeit in Big West was very impressive.

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If even 10% of that is true (other than Pasternack not getting an interview, that is actually true), I'll eat my Cal baseball cap.

And Pasternack not being interviewed is a good thing, as he is a dirty coach that gets caught, which is the absolute worst kind of dirty coach. But it's clear you have a mancrush on him. Maybe you're even related to Roxy Bernstein somehow.

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Ha - I will respond for the banter - 100% true so be sure and put some catsup and relish on your hat. I would add that technically Muscleman did pull out when he felt there would be a drawn out approval process. Joe is certainly not dirty and in part why he left the Zona program, because he wanted no part of the shenanigans there, but mainly to work his way up to desired HC jobs. And no relation to Roxy - though I think highly of him. Joe has always thought of the Cal HC job as his dream job and still believes that.

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He left UofA after 6 years under Sean Miller in 2017 when he was named head coach at UCSB. He only noticed when he had a better job? Moreover, Pasternak was specifically mentioned in the Yahoo and NCAA investigations as the lead assistant who was working with the agents to land players.

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The investigation from the NCAA was directed at Emanuel "Book" Richardson and Mark Phelps under Sean Miller not Joe Pasternak. Joe was not a party nor charged with those illegal acts by those mentioned above.

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Pasternak was named in court in sworn testimony by Bowen's father as the Arizona assistant coach who was to make $50k available to him if Brian Bowen Jr signed with Arizona. He didn't sign with UA, so the payment wasn't made. The other violations came after Pasternak took the UCSB job. So no charges, against him, but hard to believe there were not other examples in Pasternak's seven years with Arizona. His subpoenaed cell phone records showed frequent conversations with the agent over the years.

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No charges, "violations" were not involving Joe P. Some innuedo/inferences thrown about, but nothing was proven. Joe has done a remarkable job at UCSB and the announcers yesterday were constant in their praise of his program's development and quality roster he and staff have built. He would be an excellent fit at Cal for many reasons - notably he understands first hand the constraints Cal has, can raise needed funds from the donors who have the capability to impact our program, is a tireless worker.recruiter, would bring back former players with "credibility" and would not bolt. He has stated time and again - "Cal is my dream HC job".

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Well Miller wasn't charged either, FWIW. No charges for Pasternak because Bowden didn't go to UA, so there was no payment. The cell phone records show that the connection between the agent in question and Pasternak went back years. Claiming he was at Arizona for 7 years in charge of recruiting for much of it, had years of frequent contact with a dirty agent, but only when he got the UCSB HC job did he realize Miller and UA were dirty? Is that what he told you? Do you really believe that? I get that you really want him as our HC, and I am not against anyone who has ever been involved in a big program where recruiting violations go on, and the fact he did not get caught is to his credit, but I think we need to be honest so we can assess a coach's ability to succeed at Cal without recruiting violations, because one thing I know about Cal, what others get away with elsewhere we will be penalized for.

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LOL - A lot of conjecture on your part "did not get caught" - if phone contact means violations (when phone contact is literally with hundreds and hundreds of basketball related people from agents, parents, players, coaches, etc) doubtful very many are sqeaky above any reproach. I do want him considered, because he has Cal experience (no violations here), is well regarded by nearly all former players, past HC and has proven success building a winner at a UC School argueably more difficult than Cal. Personally I wanted Musselman, but the committee felt it would be a drawn out approval process - given his past hiring of an assistant coach with improprieties etc. Regardless just banter as our coach is going nowhere for a minimum of 2 more seasons. I sure hope he shakes up his staff, is effective in addressing the key areas over the offseason for this team to take a big leap in performance, including stepping up the recruiting to sign needed interior skilled players.

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Can Legans even be considered a "Cal guy"? I mean, it would kind be like hiring Jerod Haase. Dude left and that 2002-2003 team was left without an experienced PG that it could have used. He's more a Fresno State guy in my mind.

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Legan's team looked well coached in the Tournament. Gates team did not. Don't know why so many here think that Gates would be an improvement over Fox. .If it's recruiting, I was much more impressed with the local talent that Legan's was able to procure at Eastern Washington than the talent displayed by Cleveland State.

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If Haase had 1) spent more time at Cal than elsewhere, 2) said he loved Cal and leaving was the biggest mistake of his life, 3) didn't go to Furd, say how much he loves Furd (and by extension diss Ca) and finally 4) be a coach that I might want at Cal.

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Gates' challenge in his interview was his lack of preparation. He didn't do any homework on the roster or the team.

That was, however, not the high-order bit. The entire process was broken and doomed given Mike Williams' approach.

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Agreed on Gates background - Had Musselman ready to go until a university prof was clearly going to contest his potential hiring (since he had earlier hired Huffnagel), Amaker was a possibility, but He wanted a university teaching position for his wife and Turner though impressive, came across arrogant to Williams. Joe Pasternak did not even get an interview - though he had prior HC experience, knows Cal extremely well, understands Admission restrictions, has the ear of some major donors and has strong ties to some former players. HIs 22-4 record this season with league and conf tournament titles albeit in Big West was very impressive.

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If even 10% of that is true (other than Pasternack not getting an interview, that is actually true), I'll eat my Cal baseball cap.

And Pasternack not being interviewed is a good thing, as he is a dirty coach that gets caught, which is the absolute worst kind of dirty coach. But it's clear you have a mancrush on him. Maybe you're even related to Roxy Bernstein somehow.

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Ha - I will respond for the banter - 100% true so be sure and put some catsup and relish on your hat. I would add that technically Muscleman did pull out when he felt there would be a drawn out approval process. Joe is certainly not dirty and in part why he left the Zona program, because he wanted no part of the shenanigans there, but mainly to work his way up to desired HC jobs. And no relation to Roxy - though I think highly of him. Joe has always thought of the Cal HC job as his dream job and still believes that.

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He left UofA after 6 years under Sean Miller in 2017 when he was named head coach at UCSB. He only noticed when he had a better job? Moreover, Pasternak was specifically mentioned in the Yahoo and NCAA investigations as the lead assistant who was working with the agents to land players.

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The investigation from the NCAA was directed at Emanuel "Book" Richardson and Mark Phelps under Sean Miller not Joe Pasternak. Joe was not a party nor charged with those illegal acts by those mentioned above.

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Pasternak was named in court in sworn testimony by Bowen's father as the Arizona assistant coach who was to make $50k available to him if Brian Bowen Jr signed with Arizona. He didn't sign with UA, so the payment wasn't made. The other violations came after Pasternak took the UCSB job. So no charges, against him, but hard to believe there were not other examples in Pasternak's seven years with Arizona. His subpoenaed cell phone records showed frequent conversations with the agent over the years.

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No charges, "violations" were not involving Joe P. Some innuedo/inferences thrown about, but nothing was proven. Joe has done a remarkable job at UCSB and the announcers yesterday were constant in their praise of his program's development and quality roster he and staff have built. He would be an excellent fit at Cal for many reasons - notably he understands first hand the constraints Cal has, can raise needed funds from the donors who have the capability to impact our program, is a tireless worker.recruiter, would bring back former players with "credibility" and would not bolt. He has stated time and again - "Cal is my dream HC job".

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Well Miller wasn't charged either, FWIW. No charges for Pasternak because Bowden didn't go to UA, so there was no payment. The cell phone records show that the connection between the agent in question and Pasternak went back years. Claiming he was at Arizona for 7 years in charge of recruiting for much of it, had years of frequent contact with a dirty agent, but only when he got the UCSB HC job did he realize Miller and UA were dirty? Is that what he told you? Do you really believe that? I get that you really want him as our HC, and I am not against anyone who has ever been involved in a big program where recruiting violations go on, and the fact he did not get caught is to his credit, but I think we need to be honest so we can assess a coach's ability to succeed at Cal without recruiting violations, because one thing I know about Cal, what others get away with elsewhere we will be penalized for.

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LOL - A lot of conjecture on your part "did not get caught" - if phone contact means violations (when phone contact is literally with hundreds and hundreds of basketball related people from agents, parents, players, coaches, etc) doubtful very many are sqeaky above any reproach. I do want him considered, because he has Cal experience (no violations here), is well regarded by nearly all former players, past HC and has proven success building a winner at a UC School argueably more difficult than Cal. Personally I wanted Musselman, but the committee felt it would be a drawn out approval process - given his past hiring of an assistant coach with improprieties etc. Regardless just banter as our coach is going nowhere for a minimum of 2 more seasons. I sure hope he shakes up his staff, is effective in addressing the key areas over the offseason for this team to take a big leap in performance, including stepping up the recruiting to sign needed interior skilled players.

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Clearly a lot of conjecture on my part. Miller, for all we know, is completely clean and ran a clean program for 7 years until Pasternak left. The witnesses that said Pasternak was the original Arizona bag man may have lied under oath for reasons that I do not know and cannot fathom. The dirty agent could just be a good friend that he chatted with often.

And Pasternak's scowl, violent kicking with his foot caught in Jorge's shorts and sharp words afterward were an expression of his love for Cal and Cal's players.

Yes, we will see where we are two years from now. If Pasternak is the best coach for Cal all can be forgiven and forgotten. Afterall, we got over the fact that Wilcox hired Tosh away from his old employer, flipped Shaq Thompson and trashed our recruiting class. Wilcox is our guy now. Other than the Jorge incident, and some rumored negative recruiting against us, Pasternak has done nothing against Cal. If he looks like the best candidate to get us to being a factor in the post season then I am all for it. Success cures all. Go Bears!

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Can Legans even be considered a "Cal guy"? I mean, it would kind be like hiring Jerod Haase. Dude left and that 2002-2003 team was left without an experienced PG that it could have used. He's more a Fresno State guy in my mind.

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Legan's team looked well coached in the Tournament. Gates team did not. Don't know why so many here think that Gates would be an improvement over Fox. .If it's recruiting, I was much more impressed with the local talent that Legan's was able to procure at Eastern Washington than the talent displayed by Cleveland State.

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If Haase had 1) spent more time at Cal than elsewhere, 2) said he loved Cal and leaving was the biggest mistake of his life, 3) didn't go to Furd, say how much he loves Furd (and by extension diss Ca) and finally 4) be a coach that I might want at Cal.

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I thought the biggest for haase was that his dad had deep cal roots and passed away while he was at cal. Needed a change of scenery and as someone who lost his dad in early 20s I totally understand that.

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Can Legans even be considered a "Cal guy"? I mean, it would kind be like hiring Jerod Haase. Dude left and that 2002-2003 team was left without an experienced PG that it could have used. He's more a Fresno State guy in my mind.

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Legan's team looked well coached in the Tournament. Gates team did not. Don't know why so many here think that Gates would be an improvement over Fox. .If it's recruiting, I was much more impressed with the local talent that Legan's was able to procure at Eastern Washington than the talent displayed by Cleveland State.

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If Haase had 1) spent more time at Cal than elsewhere, 2) said he loved Cal and leaving was the biggest mistake of his life, 3) didn't go to Furd, say how much he loves Furd (and by extension diss Ca) and finally 4) be a coach that I might want at Cal.

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I thought the biggest for haase was that his dad had deep cal roots and passed away while he was at cal. Needed a change of scenery and as someone who lost his dad in early 20s I totally understand that.

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I also think that Haase was really a Campanelli guy, and when Bozeman took over also lost some PT to KJ Roberts. I think that, along with the loss of his father, helped him look around. I do think it was a bit of bad form for him to (at least as it was rumored) head over the Kansas locker room after our Sweet 16 loss to the Jayhawks, but oh well.

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Legan's team looked well coached in the Tournament. Gates team did not. Don't know why so many here think that Gates would be an improvement over Fox. .If it's recruiting, I was much more impressed with the local talent that Legan's was able to procure at Eastern Washington than the talent displayed by Cleveland State.

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Legans is the new Portland U coach.....https://www.spokesman.com/stories/2021/mar/22/following-ncaa-tournament-berth-shantay-legans-lea/

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Legan's team looked well coached in the Tournament. Gates team did not. Don't know why so many here think that Gates would be an improvement over Fox. .If it's recruiting, I was much more impressed with the local talent that Legan's was able to procure at Eastern Washington than the talent displayed by Cleveland State.

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Legans is the new Portland U coach.....https://www.spokesman.com/stories/2021/mar/22/following-ncaa-tournament-berth-shantay-legans-lea/

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Sheesh. Cal can't even compete with the PUs of the world for coaches!

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Legan's team looked well coached in the Tournament. Gates team did not. Don't know why so many here think that Gates would be an improvement over Fox. .If it's recruiting, I was much more impressed with the local talent that Legan's was able to procure at Eastern Washington than the talent displayed by Cleveland State.

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Legans is the new Portland U coach.....https://www.spokesman.com/stories/2021/mar/22/following-ncaa-tournament-berth-shantay-legans-lea/

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Sheesh. Cal can't even compete with the PUs of the world for coaches!

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Yeah, PU obviously doesn't employ the same search firm as Cal.....They probably do it with their eyes....interesting concept....

On the topic of Jerod Haase, that dude deserves a lot more respect around here than he is given.

Some of you need to re-watch the Cal vs. Duke game in 1993. In that game, the biggest game for the Cal program in 50 years, Haase was 5 of 6 from the field (3 of 4 from 3 point range), for a total of 13 points, second highest on the team only to Murray's 28 points. He played all the key minutes of the game, including the game's final clutch minutes. Dude was diving all over the floor. He was clearly an emotional leader of the team.

He added another 10 points the next game against Kansas.

Jaylen Brown shows up for his one and only "big game" versus Hawaii and can't even dribble the effing ball without having it hit his foot and roll out of bounds. He finishes 1 of 6 for four points, with seven turnovers. Yet he is idolized around here for some reason. SMH.

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Legan's team looked well coached in the Tournament. Gates team did not. Don't know why so many here think that Gates would be an improvement over Fox. .If it's recruiting, I was much more impressed with the local talent that Legan's was able to procure at Eastern Washington than the talent displayed by Cleveland State.

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Legans is the new Portland U coach.....https://www.spokesman.com/stories/2021/mar/22/following-ncaa-tournament-berth-shantay-legans-lea/

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Ugh. This is the guy I wanted. But at least he went somewhere Cal can poach him in two years.

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Legan's team looked well coached in the Tournament. Gates team did not. Don't know why so many here think that Gates would be an improvement over Fox. .If it's recruiting, I was much more impressed with the local talent that Legan's was able to procure at Eastern Washington than the talent displayed by Cleveland State.

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Legans is the new Portland U coach.....https://www.spokesman.com/stories/2021/mar/22/following-ncaa-tournament-berth-shantay-legans-lea/

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Sheesh. Cal can't even compete with the PUs of the world for coaches!

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Yeah, PU obviously doesn't employ the same search firm as Cal.....They probably do it with their eyes....interesting concept....

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But the search firm can do everything for you according to the current Cal AD.

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Legan's team looked well coached in the Tournament. Gates team did not. Don't know why so many here think that Gates would be an improvement over Fox. .If it's recruiting, I was much more impressed with the local talent that Legan's was able to procure at Eastern Washington than the talent displayed by Cleveland State.

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Legans is the new Portland U coach.....https://www.spokesman.com/stories/2021/mar/22/following-ncaa-tournament-berth-shantay-legans-lea/

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Sheesh. Cal can't even compete with the PUs of the world for coaches!

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Yeah, PU obviously doesn't employ the same search firm as Cal.....They probably do it with their eyes....interesting concept....

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But the search firm can do everything for you according to the current Cal AD.

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And to you, including giving you the shaft....

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Legan's team looked well coached in the Tournament. Gates team did not. Don't know why so many here think that Gates would be an improvement over Fox. .If it's recruiting, I was much more impressed with the local talent that Legan's was able to procure at Eastern Washington than the talent displayed by Cleveland State.

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Legans is the new Portland U coach.....https://www.spokesman.com/stories/2021/mar/22/following-ncaa-tournament-berth-shantay-legans-lea/

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That is a very tough job he's taking.

His predecessor at EWU left to take an equally tough job, at Seattle University. Don't know what that says about EWU, whether they aren't paying the head coach enough, not paying assistants enough, don't have good facilities, or what, but they appear to be motivating successful coaches to move even when they're going to a place that isn't a step up in status but is is a more difficult place to win.

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Legan's team looked well coached in the Tournament. Gates team did not. Don't know why so many here think that Gates would be an improvement over Fox. .If it's recruiting, I was much more impressed with the local talent that Legan's was able to procure at Eastern Washington than the talent displayed by Cleveland State.

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Legans is the new Portland U coach.....https://www.spokesman.com/stories/2021/mar/22/following-ncaa-tournament-berth-shantay-legans-lea/

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That is a very tough job he's taking.

His predecessor at EWU left to take an equally tough job, at Seattle University. Don't know what that says about EWU, whether they aren't paying the head coach enough, not paying assistants enough, don't have good facilities, or what, but they appear to be motivating successful coaches to move even when they're going to a place that isn't a step up in status but is is a more difficult place to win.

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That is definitely not a cake walk with Gonzaga, St. Marys and BYU waiting to take a bite out of you....Hayford has done a pretty good job bringing Seattle U up....I think Legans would have been better off waiting a tad longer for better offers to come in....He pulled the trigger real fast IMO....

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Can Legans even be considered a "Cal guy"? I mean, it would kind be like hiring Jerod Haase. Dude left and that 2002-2003 team was left without an experienced PG that it could have used. He's more a Fresno State guy in my mind.

tthompson993 said:

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Legan's team looked well coached in the Tournament. Gates team did not. Don't know why so many here think that Gates would be an improvement over Fox. .If it's recruiting, I was much more impressed with the local talent that Legan's was able to procure at Eastern Washington than the talent displayed by Cleveland State.

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If Haase had 1) spent more time at Cal than elsewhere, 2) said he loved Cal and leaving was the biggest mistake of his life, 3) didn't go to Furd, say how much he loves Furd (and by extension diss Ca) and finally 4) be a coach that I might want at Cal.

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I thought the biggest for haase was that his dad had deep cal roots and passed away while he was at cal. Needed a change of scenery and as someone who lost his dad in early 20s I totally understand that.

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I also think that Haase was really a Campanelli guy, and when Bozeman took over also lost some PT to KJ Roberts. I think that, along with the loss of his father, helped him look around. I do think it was a bit of bad form for him to (at least as it was rumored) head over the Kansas locker room after our Sweet 16 loss to the Jayhawks, but oh well.

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Yeah, Hasse came to Cal so his dad could see him play. Todd "The Cheat" Bozeman taking over for Campanelli and giving his minutes to Monte "The Thief" Buckley gave Hasse plenty of reason to look elsewhere once his dad passed. I don't blame him one bit for choosing to play for Roy Williams instead of the Bozoman.

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Legan's team looked well coached in the Tournament. Gates team did not. Don't know why so many here think that Gates would be an improvement over Fox. .If it's recruiting, I was much more impressed with the local talent that Legan's was able to procure at Eastern Washington than the talent displayed by Cleveland State.

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I hope Legans knows what he is doing. He is about to enter a conference which includes Gonzaga, arguably the best team in the country, so it may be hard to achieve great success there. And Portland was once a nice city to live in. Now it is a sporadic war zone. Not only that, but Legans may not be allowed to take off his mask to yell at an official on a bad call, as he did in the photo. Today it was reported that the state of Oregon may make their mask mandate permanent. This move will be a real challenge for Shantay, and I wish him luck.

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On the topic of Jerod Haase, that dude deserves a lot more respect around here than he is given.

Some of you need to re-watch the Cal vs. Duke game in 1993. In that game, the biggest game for the Cal program in 50 years, Haase was 5 of 6 from the field (3 of 4 from 3 point range), for a total of 13 points, second highest on the team only to Murray's 28 points. He played all the key minutes of the game, including the game's final clutch minutes. Dude was diving all over the floor. He was clearly an emotional leader of the team.

He added another 10 points the next game against Kansas.

Jaylen Brown shows up for his one and only "big game" versus Hawaii and can't even dribble the effing ball without having it hit his foot and roll out of bounds. He finishes 1 of 6 for four points, with seven turnovers. Yet he is idolized around here for some reason. SMH.

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Jaylen also fouled out of the Hawaii game in just 17 minutes. Biorhythms all out of whack that day.

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On the topic of Jerod Haase, that dude deserves a lot more respect around here than he is given.

Some of you need to re-watch the Cal vs. Duke game in 1993. In that game, the biggest game for the Cal program in 50 years, Haase was 5 of 6 from the field (3 of 4 from 3 point range), for a total of 13 points, second highest on the team only to Murray's 28 points. He played all the key minutes of the game, including the game's final clutch minutes. Dude was diving all over the floor. He was clearly an emotional leader of the team.

He added another 10 points the next game against Kansas.

Jaylen Brown shows up for his one and only "big game" versus Hawaii and can't even dribble the effing ball without having it hit his foot and roll out of bounds. He finishes 1 of 6 for four points, with seven turnovers. Yet he is idolized around here for some reason. SMH.

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Why are you attacking Jaylen Brown? He is not a coaching candidate and he never transferred to another school. He only praises Cal and is often wearing Cal gear.

No one criticized Haase as a Cal player. There has been plenty of criticism here of Legans and Gates as players..

As I said, I would easily forgive Haase for transferring out, like Legans he had his reasons and it is their life, they need to do what is best for them. The issues for me with Haase are that he is the Stanford coach, he badmouths Cal and he is not a good coach. I would easily forgive him if he was a good coach and he said how much he loved Cal (like Vince Ferragamo or even Petros).

I thought Haase was a good player for us (and think Legans, Gates and yes, Brown were too). I don't want Haase as our coach and right now he is the Furd coach. Mark Few never played for us and I'd take him.

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Can Legans even be considered a "Cal guy"? I mean, it would kind be like hiring Jerod Haase. Dude left and that 2002-2003 team was left without an experienced PG that it could have used. He's more a Fresno State guy in my mind.

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Legan's team looked well coached in the Tournament. Gates team did not. Don't know why so many here think that Gates would be an improvement over Fox. .If it's recruiting, I was much more impressed with the local talent that Legan's was able to procure at Eastern Washington than the talent displayed by Cleveland State.

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If Haase had 1) spent more time at Cal than elsewhere, 2) said he loved Cal and leaving was the biggest mistake of his life, 3) didn't go to Furd, say how much he loves Furd (and by extension diss Ca) and finally 4) be a coach that I might want at Cal.

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I thought the biggest for haase was that his dad had deep cal roots and passed away while he was at cal. Needed a change of scenery and as someone who lost his dad in early 20s I totally understand that.

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I also think that Haase was really a Campanelli guy, and when Bozeman took over also lost some PT to KJ Roberts. I think that, along with the loss of his father, helped him look around. I do think it was a bit of bad form for him to (at least as it was rumored) head over the Kansas locker room after our Sweet 16 loss to the Jayhawks, but oh well.

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Yeah, Hasse came to Cal so his dad could see him play. Todd "The Cheat" Bozeman taking over for Campanelli and giving his minutes to Monte "The Thief" Buckley gave Hasse plenty of reason to look elsewhere once his dad passed. I don't blame him one bit for choosing to play for Roy Williams instead of the Bozoman.

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Also, Haase's main guy on Campanelli's staff was the lead assistant Jeff Wulbrun, who might've been in line to take over, except I think he took his name out of the running, in deference to Campanelli, with whom he had a strong relationship (some believed that Bozeman might've undercut Lou, behind the scenes). Plus, Bozeman had been the main recruiter of guys like Kidd and Murray. The rest was history.

Wulbrun is on Haase's staff to this day (Associate Head Coach). They have always been close.

As to Chapman's point, Haase was great at Cal. All things considered, I gave him a pass for leaving. Still, that "pass" had a demerit on it. Then he got another one for taking the Furd job. Honestly though, my main problem with him is that he IS the Furd coach, so he's automatically on my s*** list, on general principles. If Jaylen Brown ever becomes the Furd coach, I'll boo his ass, too.

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On the topic of Jerod Haase, that dude deserves a lot more respect around here than he is given.

Some of you need to re-watch the Cal vs. Duke game in 1993. In that game, the biggest game for the Cal program in 50 years, Haase was 5 of 6 from the field (3 of 4 from 3 point range), for a total of 13 points, second highest on the team only to Murray's 28 points. He played all the key minutes of the game, including the game's final clutch minutes. Dude was diving all over the floor. He was clearly an emotional leader of the team.

He added another 10 points the next game against Kansas.

Jaylen Brown shows up for his one and only "big game" versus Hawaii and can't even dribble the effing ball without having it hit his foot and roll out of bounds. He finishes 1 of 6 for four points, with seven turnovers. Yet he is idolized around here for some reason. SMH.

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Why are you attacking Jaylen Brown? He is not a coaching candidate and he never transferred to another school. He only praises Cal and is often wearing Cal gear.

No one criticized Haase as a Cal player. There has been plenty of criticism here of Legans and Gates as players..

As I said, I would easily forgive Haase for transferring out, like Legans he had his reasons and it is their life, they need to do what is best for them. The issues for me with Haase are that he is the Stanford coach, he badmouths Cal and he is not a good coach. I would easily forgive him if he was a good coach and he said how much he loved Cal (like Vince Ferragamo or even Petros).

I thought Haase was a good player for us (and think Legans, Gates and yes, Brown were too). I don't want Haase as our coach and right now he is the Furd coach. Mark Few never played for us and I'd take him.

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Haase deserves and gets respect for the one year he played here. There is a pretty good consensus -- we liked Haase as a player, we understand reasons why he left, and we disrespected the way he left, mostly because of the post-game activities after we lost to Kansas. But he was only here one year, and at Kansas for 3, so he is definitely more a Kansas player than a Cal player.

He was a Campanelli and Wilbrun guy, and with both of those guys gone, and a weasel in charge, who can blame him for leaving? And if he were coaching almost any team in the nation but LSJU, I'd like him. Instead, he's a Stanford guy whose got Campanelli coming to Stanford games wearing Stanford gear, to support his Stanford guys Haase and Wilbrun. Kind of disgusting.

Legans, OTOH, had a mentor who basically talked him into leaving Cal for Fresno St., and came to regret it. 3 years at Cal, one at Fresno St. Unlike Haase, Legans was much more a Cal player than a player of the school he left for.

I'm not sure Gates got much criticism as a player. He had his limitations, and given his limitations, we got as much as we could have hoped for out of him, and everyone seemed happy with that. Given Legans' limitations, we also got as much as we could have hoped for out of him, but somehow, Legans got a lot more grief for his limitations. Perhaps that is in part because it comes with the territory of being a PG. It was probably also in part that his mother was on the board acting like it was a sin that nobody, not posters, not the coaching staff, recognized that her son was the next coming of Nate Archibald, I think posters would have gone easier on Shantay if not for his mom.

Unlike Haase, Legans, or Gates, I think it is pretty clear we got less out of Brown than what we hoped for, and that view is only reinforced by his NBA success. Many, perhaps fairly, want to blame Martin for the fact that Brown wasn't more effective as a Bear. I also blame Pac-12 officials, because the idiotic way they call games left Brown in foul trouble far too often, especially the offensive fouls that wouldn't be called offensive fouls in the other P5 conferences, much less the NBA. Not that they were biased against Brown, but they always call games that way. Still, Brown sure hits NBA 3's a whole lot better than he hit college 3's, and his one Cal NCAA tourney didn't go as well as Haase's one Cal NCAA tourney. I love Brown, as a person as well as a player, but if we just look at how they played while they were at Cal relative to their physical skills, Brown was more disappointing than Haase, Legans, or Gates.

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Legan's team looked well coached in the Tournament. Gates team did not. Don't know why so many here think that Gates would be an improvement over Fox. .If it's recruiting, I was much more impressed with the local talent that Legan's was able to procure at Eastern Washington than the talent displayed by Cleveland State.

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Legans is the new Portland U coach.....https://www.spokesman.com/stories/2021/mar/22/following-ncaa-tournament-berth-shantay-legans-lea/

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Sheesh. Cal can't even compete with the PUs of the world for coaches!

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Huh? I don't want Legans. GTFO.

If Jaylen Brown ever suggested he might like to get into coaching, hire him immediately.
I doubt he will. Bigger fish to fry.

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If Jaylen Brown ever suggested he might like to get into coaching, hire him immediately.
I doubt he will. Bigger fish to fry.

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By the time he finishes his playing career it will be moot to half of us. We'll be dead.

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If Jaylen Brown ever suggested he might like to get into coaching, hire him immediately.
I doubt he will. Bigger fish to fry.

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Senator Jaylen. . . Governor Jaylen. He is a young man with a real future outside basketball.

If I was him, I would get my degree from Harvard.