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concernedparent said:

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Love it. Betley drilling the 3 from 26 ft out with time left on the shot clock.

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I loved the game, except for that shot by Betley. You don't ever do that in any sport, with the game already over, scoring a final time when you are way ahead with a few seconds left on the clock, sticking it in the opponent's face, rubbing salt in the opponent's wound. Haase may get fired, but Stanford players will remember that lack of sportsmanship for a long time, and many of them will face Cal again next year, in a PO'd frame of mind. If he didn't realize the score, maybe he has an excuse, otherwise it was selfish or dumb.

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BeachedBear said:

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SFCityBear said:

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concernedparent said:

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Love it. Betley drilling the 3 from 26 ft out with time left on the shot clock.

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I loved the game, except for that shot by Betley. You don't ever do that in any sport, with the game already over, scoring a final time when you are way ahead with a few seconds left on the clock, sticking it in the opponent's face, rubbing salt in the opponent's wound. Haase may get fired, but Stanford players will remember that lack of sportsmanship for a long time, and many of them will face Cal again next year, in a PO'd frame of mind. If he didn't realize the score, maybe he has an excuse, otherwise it was selfish or dumb.

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I get your point and generally agree. But my take that was that Betley was not used to being in this situation (game in hand, Cal up big) so his instincts kicked in (unaware of the score excuse). Maybe if it happens more often in the very near future, he can wait until the shot clock expires. I don't really think any of the Stanford players will exact revenge next season.

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graguna said:

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SFCityBear said:

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concernedparent said:

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Love it. Betley drilling the 3 from 26 ft out with time left on the shot clock.

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I loved the game, except for that shot by Betley. You don't ever do that in any sport, with the game already over, scoring a final time when you are way ahead with a few seconds left on the clock, sticking it in the opponent's face, rubbing salt in the opponent's wound. Haase may get fired, but Stanford players will remember that lack of sportsmanship for a long time, and many of them will face Cal again next year, in a PO'd frame of mind. If he didn't realize the score, maybe he has an excuse, otherwise it was selfish or dumb.

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couldn't agree less.
That was nothing more than a player tossing up a 35 footer as the shot clock was expiring.

No one will remember that in a week

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BeachedBear said:

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SFCityBear said:

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concernedparent said:

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Love it. Betley drilling the 3 from 26 ft out with time left on the shot clock.

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I loved the game, except for that shot by Betley. You don't ever do that in any sport, with the game already over, scoring a final time when you are way ahead with a few seconds left on the clock, sticking it in the opponent's face, rubbing salt in the opponent's wound. Haase may get fired, but Stanford players will remember that lack of sportsmanship for a long time, and many of them will face Cal again next year, in a PO'd frame of mind. If he didn't realize the score, maybe he has an excuse, otherwise it was selfish or dumb.

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I get your point and generally agree. But my take that was that Betley was not used to being in this situation (game in hand, Cal up big) so his instincts kicked in (unaware of the score excuse). Maybe if it happens more often in the very near future, he can wait until the shot clock expires. I don't really think any of the Stanford players will exact revenge next season.

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drizzlybear said:

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BeachedBear said:

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SFCityBear said:

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concernedparent said:

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Love it. Betley drilling the 3 from 26 ft out with time left on the shot clock.

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I loved the game, except for that shot by Betley. You don't ever do that in any sport, with the game already over, scoring a final time when you are way ahead with a few seconds left on the clock, sticking it in the opponent's face, rubbing salt in the opponent's wound. Haase may get fired, but Stanford players will remember that lack of sportsmanship for a long time, and many of them will face Cal again next year, in a PO'd frame of mind. If he didn't realize the score, maybe he has an excuse, otherwise it was selfish or dumb.

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I get your point and generally agree. But my take that was that Betley was not used to being in this situation (game in hand, Cal up big) so his instincts kicked in (unaware of the score excuse). Maybe if it happens more often in the very near future, he can wait until the shot clock expires. I don't really think any of the Stanford players will exact revenge next season.

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That's not what the etiquette is in that situation. A team is not expected to concede a turnover in that situation. Betley and Cal did what is expected and considered appropriate in that situation.

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drizzlybear said:

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BeachedBear said:

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SFCityBear said:

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concernedparent said:

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Love it. Betley drilling the 3 from 26 ft out with time left on the shot clock.

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I loved the game, except for that shot by Betley. You don't ever do that in any sport, with the game already over, scoring a final time when you are way ahead with a few seconds left on the clock, sticking it in the opponent's face, rubbing salt in the opponent's wound. Haase may get fired, but Stanford players will remember that lack of sportsmanship for a long time, and many of them will face Cal again next year, in a PO'd frame of mind. If he didn't realize the score, maybe he has an excuse, otherwise it was selfish or dumb.

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I get your point and generally agree. But my take that was that Betley was not used to being in this situation (game in hand, Cal up big) so his instincts kicked in (unaware of the score excuse). Maybe if it happens more often in the very near future, he can wait until the shot clock expires. I don't really think any of the Stanford players will exact revenge next season.

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That's not what the etiquette is in that situation. A team is not expected to concede a turnover in that situation. Betley and Cal did what is expected and considered appropriate in that situation.

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calumnus said:

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BeachedBear said:

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SFCityBear said:

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concernedparent said:

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Love it. Betley drilling the 3 from 26 ft out with time left on the shot clock.

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I loved the game, except for that shot by Betley. You don't ever do that in any sport, with the game already over, scoring a final time when you are way ahead with a few seconds left on the clock, sticking it in the opponent's face, rubbing salt in the opponent's wound. Haase may get fired, but Stanford players will remember that lack of sportsmanship for a long time, and many of them will face Cal again next year, in a PO'd frame of mind. If he didn't realize the score, maybe he has an excuse, otherwise it was selfish or dumb.

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I get your point and generally agree. But my take that was that Betley was not used to being in this situation (game in hand, Cal up big) so his instincts kicked in (unaware of the score excuse). Maybe if it happens more often in the very near future, he can wait until the shot clock expires. I don't really think any of the Stanford players will exact revenge next season.

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So the logic is, normally Stanford doesn't try 100% to beat Cal, but now they have extra motivation? Somehow this will cause us to lose next year when we might have won otherwise?

Just play the game. Tedford taking a knee to run out clock instead of just continuing to run Marshawn did not make Southern Niss feel any better about their loss (as if that is our concern) but it likely cost us the Rose Bowl.

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MoragaBear said:

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Civil Bear said:

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graguna said:

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SFCityBear said:

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concernedparent said:

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Love it. Betley drilling the 3 from 26 ft out with time left on the shot clock.

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I loved the game, except for that shot by Betley. You don't ever do that in any sport, with the game already over, scoring a final time when you are way ahead with a few seconds left on the clock, sticking it in the opponent's face, rubbing salt in the opponent's wound. Haase may get fired, but Stanford players will remember that lack of sportsmanship for a long time, and many of them will face Cal again next year, in a PO'd frame of mind. If he didn't realize the score, maybe he has an excuse, otherwise it was selfish or dumb.

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couldn't agree less.
That was nothing more than a player tossing up a 35 footer as the shot clock was expiring.

No one will remember that in a week

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I would tend to agree, but there were about 11 seconds left on the shot clock.

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No, it was at the end of the shot clock. There were 12 seconds left in the game.

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MoragaBear said:

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Just reviewed the tape and have it paused just as Betley releases it. I stand corrected. There were 8 seconds on the shot clock and 12.9 on the game clock, a 4.9 second differential.

The Stanford players were covering two Cal players closer to the basket. So his choices were to force it in to one of two guys who weren't open, wait 8 more seconds and let the clock run out or take the best shot available when he did. A player's instinct (especially a gunner like Betley) is to take the best shot available and not turn it over.

Maybe he could've held it 5 or 6 seconds longer and still had as good a look but not a crucial question, IMO.

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BeachedBear said:

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calumnus said:

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BeachedBear said:

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SFCityBear said:

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concernedparent said:

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Love it. Betley drilling the 3 from 26 ft out with time left on the shot clock.

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I loved the game, except for that shot by Betley. You don't ever do that in any sport, with the game already over, scoring a final time when you are way ahead with a few seconds left on the clock, sticking it in the opponent's face, rubbing salt in the opponent's wound. Haase may get fired, but Stanford players will remember that lack of sportsmanship for a long time, and many of them will face Cal again next year, in a PO'd frame of mind. If he didn't realize the score, maybe he has an excuse, otherwise it was selfish or dumb.

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I get your point and generally agree. But my take that was that Betley was not used to being in this situation (game in hand, Cal up big) so his instincts kicked in (unaware of the score excuse). Maybe if it happens more often in the very near future, he can wait until the shot clock expires. I don't really think any of the Stanford players will exact revenge next season.

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So the logic is, normally Stanford doesn't try 100% to beat Cal, but now they have extra motivation? Somehow this will cause us to lose next year when we might have won otherwise?

Just play the game. Tedford taking a knee to run out clock instead of just continuing to run Marshawn did not make Southern Niss feel any better about their loss (as if that is our concern) but it likely cost us the Rose Bowl.

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NVM - it was a failed attempt at humor.

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MoragaBear said:

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Just reviewed the tape and have it paused just as Betley releases it. I stand corrected. There were 8 seconds on the shot clock and 12.9 on the game clock, a 4.9 second differential.

The Stanford players were covering two Cal players closer to the basket. So his choices were to force it in to one of two guys who weren't open, wait 8 more seconds and let the clock run out or take the best shot available when he did. A player's instinct (especially a gunner like Betley) is to take the best shot available and not turn it over.

Maybe he could've held it 5 or 6 seconds longer and still had as good a look but not a crucial question, IMO.

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