Southern Utah Wants a Do Over

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MSaviolives
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According to the Chron article (probably behind paywall):

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While the result is official by NCAA rules, SUU is hoping to speak to Cal about any number of possible reactions or solutions to the apparent screw-up, including jointly appealing to the NCAA to address the error by a possible replay of the game from the point of the error, when the Thunderbirds were leading 42-34 or 43-34, if you believe what's on the video.
https://www.sfchronicle.com/sports/college/article/Cal-Bears-steal-a-basketball-win-controversy-16642423.php

According to the SUU Athletic Director, she tried to reach Knowlton, but only an underling returned her call and she is insisting that Knowlton talk to her directly. I guess he is big timing her.

That mistake by our scorer is horrible and inexcusable--especially since SUU complained right when it happened but was blown off by the officials. All they had to do was look at the video, but they wouldn't do it.
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MSaviolives said:

According to the Chron article (probably behind paywall):

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While the result is official by NCAA rules, SUU is hoping to speak to Cal about any number of possible reactions or solutions to the apparent screw-up, including jointly appealing to the NCAA to address the error by a possible replay of the game from the point of the error, when the Thunderbirds were leading 42-34 or 43-34, if you believe what's on the video.
https://www.sfchronicle.com/sports/college/article/Cal-Bears-steal-a-basketball-win-controversy-16642423.php

According to the SUU Athletic Director, she tried to reach Knowlton, but only an underling returned her call and she is insisting that Knowlton talk to her directly. I guess he is big timing her.

That mistake by our scorer is horrible and inexcusable--especially since SUU complained right when it happened but was blown off by the officials. All they had to do was look at the video, but they wouldn't do it.


That's pretty amazing, in a terrible way.

If they get a do-over, though, we should get one for the 2014 Big Game.
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MSaviolives said:

According to the Chron article (probably behind paywall):

Quote:

While the result is official by NCAA rules, SUU is hoping to speak to Cal about any number of possible reactions or solutions to the apparent screw-up, including jointly appealing to the NCAA to address the error by a possible replay of the game from the point of the error, when the Thunderbirds were leading 42-34 or 43-34, if you believe what's on the video.
https://www.sfchronicle.com/sports/college/article/Cal-Bears-steal-a-basketball-win-controversy-16642423.php

According to the SUU Athletic Director, she tried to reach Knowlton, but only an underling returned her call and she is insisting that Knowlton talk to her directly. I guess he is big timing her.

That mistake by our scorer is horrible and inexcusable--especially since SUU complained right when it happened but was blown off by the officials. All they had to do was look at the video, but they wouldn't do it.



It's not clear from the article.

Was the scoreboard just wrong? Or was the score actually wrong?

If it's just the scoreboard being wrong, that happens all the time. I guess it depends how long it took to correct though
SFCityBear
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The scorekeeper who made the error is likely hiding out in one of our Cal campus safe spaces. Knowlton is probably in there too, waiting for this whole dastardly business to blow over.
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ducky23 said:

MSaviolives said:

According to the Chron article (probably behind paywall):

Quote:

While the result is official by NCAA rules, SUU is hoping to speak to Cal about any number of possible reactions or solutions to the apparent screw-up, including jointly appealing to the NCAA to address the error by a possible replay of the game from the point of the error, when the Thunderbirds were leading 42-34 or 43-34, if you believe what's on the video.
https://www.sfchronicle.com/sports/college/article/Cal-Bears-steal-a-basketball-win-controversy-16642423.php

According to the SUU Athletic Director, she tried to reach Knowlton, but only an underling returned her call and she is insisting that Knowlton talk to her directly. I guess he is big timing her.

That mistake by our scorer is horrible and inexcusable--especially since SUU complained right when it happened but was blown off by the officials. All they had to do was look at the video, but they wouldn't do it.



It's not clear from the article.

Was the scoreboard just wrong? Or was the score actually wrong?

If it's just the scoreboard being wrong, that happens all the time. I guess it depends how long it took to correct though
Not just the scoreboard. They did not credit a made free throw at all, and since the game was tied at the end of regulation it went into overtime. Now it is fair to say that if they gave the point correctly, the incident happened earlier enough in the game that we can't predict what would have eventually happened.

SUU has no right to a do over. I guess it would happen only if Knowlton agreed to it--and my guess is...no way. Talk about home cooking!
ducky23
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Oh that's really bad. I'd be super pissed too
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MSaviolives said:

ducky23 said:

MSaviolives said:

According to the Chron article (probably behind paywall):

Quote:

While the result is official by NCAA rules, SUU is hoping to speak to Cal about any number of possible reactions or solutions to the apparent screw-up, including jointly appealing to the NCAA to address the error by a possible replay of the game from the point of the error, when the Thunderbirds were leading 42-34 or 43-34, if you believe what's on the video.
https://www.sfchronicle.com/sports/college/article/Cal-Bears-steal-a-basketball-win-controversy-16642423.php

According to the SUU Athletic Director, she tried to reach Knowlton, but only an underling returned her call and she is insisting that Knowlton talk to her directly. I guess he is big timing her.

That mistake by our scorer is horrible and inexcusable--especially since SUU complained right when it happened but was blown off by the officials. All they had to do was look at the video, but they wouldn't do it.



It's not clear from the article.

Was the scoreboard just wrong? Or was the score actually wrong?

If it's just the scoreboard being wrong, that happens all the time. I guess it depends how long it took to correct though
Not just the scoreboard. They did not credit a made free throw at all, and since the game was tied at the end of regulation it went into overtime. Now it is fair to say that if they gave the point correctly, the incident happened earlier enough in the game that we can't predict what would have eventually happened.

SUU has no right to a do over. I guess it would happen only if Knowlton agreed to it--and my guess is...no way. Talk about home cooking!


They have a moral right but no right under NCAA rules. The score has been recorded. It is done. Sucks for them. We don't want a do over. It took Kelly's best game as a Bear for us to score one less point than them in regulation in a game at Haas. We need all the Ws we can get.
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Big C said:



If they get a do-over, though, we should get one for the 2014 Big Game.
And the Corvallis minute....
ducky23
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calumnus said:

MSaviolives said:

ducky23 said:

MSaviolives said:

According to the Chron article (probably behind paywall):

Quote:

While the result is official by NCAA rules, SUU is hoping to speak to Cal about any number of possible reactions or solutions to the apparent screw-up, including jointly appealing to the NCAA to address the error by a possible replay of the game from the point of the error, when the Thunderbirds were leading 42-34 or 43-34, if you believe what's on the video.
https://www.sfchronicle.com/sports/college/article/Cal-Bears-steal-a-basketball-win-controversy-16642423.php

According to the SUU Athletic Director, she tried to reach Knowlton, but only an underling returned her call and she is insisting that Knowlton talk to her directly. I guess he is big timing her.

That mistake by our scorer is horrible and inexcusable--especially since SUU complained right when it happened but was blown off by the officials. All they had to do was look at the video, but they wouldn't do it.



It's not clear from the article.

Was the scoreboard just wrong? Or was the score actually wrong?

If it's just the scoreboard being wrong, that happens all the time. I guess it depends how long it took to correct though
Not just the scoreboard. They did not credit a made free throw at all, and since the game was tied at the end of regulation it went into overtime. Now it is fair to say that if they gave the point correctly, the incident happened earlier enough in the game that we can't predict what would have eventually happened.

SUU has no right to a do over. I guess it would happen only if Knowlton agreed to it--and my guess is...no way. Talk about home cooking!


They have a moral right but no right under NCAA rules. The score has been recorded. It is done. Sucks for them. We don't want a do over. It took Kelly's best game as a Bear for us to score one less point than them in regulation in a game at Haas. We need all the Ws we can get.


If those are the rules, what stops a home team from pulling something like this in a game that actually really mattered? Seems suspect
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Tough titty said the kitty when the milk ran dry.


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MSaviolives said:

ducky23 said:

MSaviolives said:

According to the Chron article (probably behind paywall):

Quote:

While the result is official by NCAA rules, SUU is hoping to speak to Cal about any number of possible reactions or solutions to the apparent screw-up, including jointly appealing to the NCAA to address the error by a possible replay of the game from the point of the error, when the Thunderbirds were leading 42-34 or 43-34, if you believe what's on the video.
https://www.sfchronicle.com/sports/college/article/Cal-Bears-steal-a-basketball-win-controversy-16642423.php

According to the SUU Athletic Director, she tried to reach Knowlton, but only an underling returned her call and she is insisting that Knowlton talk to her directly. I guess he is big timing her.

That mistake by our scorer is horrible and inexcusable--especially since SUU complained right when it happened but was blown off by the officials. All they had to do was look at the video, but they wouldn't do it.



It's not clear from the article.

Was the scoreboard just wrong? Or was the score actually wrong?

If it's just the scoreboard being wrong, that happens all the time. I guess it depends how long it took to correct though
Not just the scoreboard. They did not credit a made free throw at all, and since the game was tied at the end of regulation it went into overtime. Now it is fair to say that if they gave the point correctly, the incident happened earlier enough in the game that we can't predict what would have eventually happened.

SUU has no right to a do over. I guess it would happen only if Knowlton agreed to it--and my guess is...no way. Talk about home cooking!
it's easy to predict. The extra point would have extended their lead thus making them over confident and would have resulted in them getting blown out in the second half. They should consider themselves lucky.
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Big C said:

... If they get a do-over, though, we should get one for the 2014 Big Game.
Careful - Stanford might want a do-over for The Play.
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Did we get a do over with the Oregon State extra 2 minutes clock error?
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Even when we win, we lose.
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bluehenbear said:

Even when we win, we lose.
That's us!

That's messed up.

How about if we are on the bubble, we keep the win. If not, they can have it. Decide in March.
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bluehenbear said:

Even when we win, we lose.
In this case, even when we lose, we win.
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I took cal -3 and the only reason I won was due to double ot. Lol. Would be classic to have that ticket stripped away. The one time I actually get lucky and win with the bears.
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Not sure exactly how that all came down, but it was "for sure", it sounds like. If I were the coach and that happened to my team and I was sure that the score board wasn't correct, I'd pull my players off the floor until it got fixed up.
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ducky23 said:

calumnus said:

MSaviolives said:

ducky23 said:

MSaviolives said:

According to the Chron article (probably behind paywall):

Quote:

While the result is official by NCAA rules, SUU is hoping to speak to Cal about any number of possible reactions or solutions to the apparent screw-up, including jointly appealing to the NCAA to address the error by a possible replay of the game from the point of the error, when the Thunderbirds were leading 42-34 or 43-34, if you believe what's on the video.
https://www.sfchronicle.com/sports/college/article/Cal-Bears-steal-a-basketball-win-controversy-16642423.php

According to the SUU Athletic Director, she tried to reach Knowlton, but only an underling returned her call and she is insisting that Knowlton talk to her directly. I guess he is big timing her.

That mistake by our scorer is horrible and inexcusable--especially since SUU complained right when it happened but was blown off by the officials. All they had to do was look at the video, but they wouldn't do it.



It's not clear from the article.

Was the scoreboard just wrong? Or was the score actually wrong?

If it's just the scoreboard being wrong, that happens all the time. I guess it depends how long it took to correct though
Not just the scoreboard. They did not credit a made free throw at all, and since the game was tied at the end of regulation it went into overtime. Now it is fair to say that if they gave the point correctly, the incident happened earlier enough in the game that we can't predict what would have eventually happened.

SUU has no right to a do over. I guess it would happen only if Knowlton agreed to it--and my guess is...no way. Talk about home cooking!


They have a moral right but no right under NCAA rules. The score has been recorded. It is done. Sucks for them. We don't want a do over. It took Kelly's best game as a Bear for us to score one less point than them in regulation in a game at Haas. We need all the Ws we can get.


If those are the rules, what stops a home team from pulling something like this in a game that actually really mattered? Seems suspect


The refs needed to check. They were asked to. They didn't. Refs have a lot of power (see numerous Big Games when Stanford was shooting for the BCS).
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calumnus said:

ducky23 said:

calumnus said:

MSaviolives said:

ducky23 said:

MSaviolives said:

According to the Chron article (probably behind paywall):

Quote:

While the result is official by NCAA rules, SUU is hoping to speak to Cal about any number of possible reactions or solutions to the apparent screw-up, including jointly appealing to the NCAA to address the error by a possible replay of the game from the point of the error, when the Thunderbirds were leading 42-34 or 43-34, if you believe what's on the video.
https://www.sfchronicle.com/sports/college/article/Cal-Bears-steal-a-basketball-win-controversy-16642423.php

According to the SUU Athletic Director, she tried to reach Knowlton, but only an underling returned her call and she is insisting that Knowlton talk to her directly. I guess he is big timing her.

That mistake by our scorer is horrible and inexcusable--especially since SUU complained right when it happened but was blown off by the officials. All they had to do was look at the video, but they wouldn't do it.



It's not clear from the article.

Was the scoreboard just wrong? Or was the score actually wrong?

If it's just the scoreboard being wrong, that happens all the time. I guess it depends how long it took to correct though
Not just the scoreboard. They did not credit a made free throw at all, and since the game was tied at the end of regulation it went into overtime. Now it is fair to say that if they gave the point correctly, the incident happened earlier enough in the game that we can't predict what would have eventually happened.

SUU has no right to a do over. I guess it would happen only if Knowlton agreed to it--and my guess is...no way. Talk about home cooking!


They have a moral right but no right under NCAA rules. The score has been recorded. It is done. Sucks for them. We don't want a do over. It took Kelly's best game as a Bear for us to score one less point than them in regulation in a game at Haas. We need all the Ws we can get.


If those are the rules, what stops a home team from pulling something like this in a game that actually really mattered? Seems suspect


The refs needed to check. They were asked to. They didn't. Refs have a lot of power (see numerous Big Games when Stanford was shooting for the BCS).


Pac 12 refs never disappoint
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This sucks for SUU and I feel bad for them.

But even bigger issue - once again, just like the covid debacle for the football team, Knowlton does not step up to show leadership. What an absolute a-hole for not taking a call from an official from one of our visiting teams for something we were clearly in the wrong about.

Knowlton needs to go.
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ducky23 said:

calumnus said:

MSaviolives said:

ducky23 said:

MSaviolives said:

According to the Chron article (probably behind paywall):

Quote:

While the result is official by NCAA rules, SUU is hoping to speak to Cal about any number of possible reactions or solutions to the apparent screw-up, including jointly appealing to the NCAA to address the error by a possible replay of the game from the point of the error, when the Thunderbirds were leading 42-34 or 43-34, if you believe what's on the video.
https://www.sfchronicle.com/sports/college/article/Cal-Bears-steal-a-basketball-win-controversy-16642423.php

According to the SUU Athletic Director, she tried to reach Knowlton, but only an underling returned her call and she is insisting that Knowlton talk to her directly. I guess he is big timing her.

That mistake by our scorer is horrible and inexcusable--especially since SUU complained right when it happened but was blown off by the officials. All they had to do was look at the video, but they wouldn't do it.



It's not clear from the article.

Was the scoreboard just wrong? Or was the score actually wrong?

If it's just the scoreboard being wrong, that happens all the time. I guess it depends how long it took to correct though
Not just the scoreboard. They did not credit a made free throw at all, and since the game was tied at the end of regulation it went into overtime. Now it is fair to say that if they gave the point correctly, the incident happened earlier enough in the game that we can't predict what would have eventually happened.

SUU has no right to a do over. I guess it would happen only if Knowlton agreed to it--and my guess is...no way. Talk about home cooking!


They have a moral right but no right under NCAA rules. The score has been recorded. It is done. Sucks for them. We don't want a do over. It took Kelly's best game as a Bear for us to score one less point than them in regulation in a game at Haas. We need all the Ws we can get.


If those are the rules, what stops a home team from pulling something like this in a game that actually really mattered? Seems suspect
Call me gullable but my gut feeling tells me this error was NOT intentional.
To me a "common sense" opinion on this issue is the error occured with more than 5 minutes to go (using 5 minutes as a cutoff point since it correlates with the lenght of an overtime period) thus the game should stand.

Finally, I'm not sure how the people are aligned at the midcourt table, but wouldn't it be obvious to have the head official scorekeeper sitting right next to the scoreboard operator? and require that these two individuals have good communication skills to receive the assignment? Can't understand how an issue like this even became an issue for the refs to get involved in.
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Can we forfeit a game after it's been played?

Not fair to SUU who does have tourney hopes and this game should not penalize them.
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bluehenbear said:

Can we forfeit a game after it's been played?

Not fair to SUU who does have tourney hopes and this game should not penalize them.
Lots of Cal fans didn't hear the entirety of Joe Kapps great quote:

The Bear will not quit. The Bear will not die. The Bear will not forfeit a game due to score table error.
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There should be consequences -- and Cal should agree to call the game "no contest."

And just because there were egregious errors in the past doesn't excuse this one, especially since the error was pointed out at the time and the scorers refused to look at the video. (And how can you not see a ball go through the basket? There are several scorers at the table.)

I also agree that Knowlton needs to make a statement. I'm guessing he won't.
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Does Knowlton spend all of his time figuring out ways to make less of an effort?
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Can we call it no contest but Kelly gets to keep his stats? :P
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bearsandgiants said:

I took cal -3 and the only reason I won was due to double ot. Lol. Would be classic to have that ticket stripped away. The one time I actually get lucky and win with the bears.


Cash it. Quick!
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I think re-playing from the point of the error would almost certainly result in a Cal loss. Not only because of the nine-point deficit at the time. But because a big reason Cal prevailed in the second OT was that the SU players were just gassed by that time. They used a six man rotation throughout and their fatigue as the game extended was evident. Giving them a two-week timeout to catch their breath would be unfair to Cal. To me the only practical and fair solution is the one suggested above. Declare the game a no contest. Wipe the result, but not the stats, from the record. Give the Utah player a made free throw and subtract the miss. Apologize officially. Discipline the scorekeeper and the refs. Wipe away the stain.
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Lol, are you at Cloyne? You must be high
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The error should not be up to Cal or Knowlton to acknowledge, it should be up to the league office. Southern Utah to file a protest and the league to rule.
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bluehenbear said:

Can we forfeit a game after it's been played?

Not fair to SUU who does have tourney hopes and this game should not penalize them.
SUU will need to win their conference tourney to make the tourney regardless of the outcome of the Cal game.
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ClayK said:

There should be consequences -- and Cal should agree to call the game "no contest."
Cal scorers made a big mistake. Pac-12 officials refused to correct it. SU got screwed. IMHO the right thing to do would be for Knowlton and Fox to agree that SU won in regulation. I'm sure SU would concur. No re-do.

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Civil Bear said:

The error should not be up to Cal or Knowlton to acknowledge, it should be up to the league office. Southern Utah to file a protest and the league to rule.
What league? The teams play in two different conferences. Did you mean to say the NCAA?
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stu
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Even a program which doesn't win a lot of games can have integrity. Letting this result stand would blow that. I just sent a somewhat longer message to that effect to the Cal Athletic Department.
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