Wagering on tonight's U$C game

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bearister
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5.5 points makes me feel a tad squeamish with regard to wagering my pension on the Bears. We are a tough out at Haas, but are we that tough of one against the # 7 ranked team?




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edwinbear
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I bet on USC to win when our Bears played them I football a few weeks ago as an emotional hedge. I lost money, but I wasn't very sad about it. If the Bears had lost, well, at least I won some money.
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The "ranking" factor is always a bit overrated. OTOH we know USC will be tough, although their schedule so far doesn't appear to be overwhelming.
Of course another main factor is that they have had a long layoff, which could work to our advantage. To repeat an old cliche, its important tonight that the Bears don't come out "overhyped" early and instead stick to the basic game plan. Fortunately, Fox's style of coaching probably protects them from this problem. Looking forward to another good game.
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RedlessWardrobe said:

The "ranking" factor is always a bit overrated. OTOH we know USC will be tough, although their schedule so far doesn't appear to be overwhelming.
Of course another main factor is that they have had a long layoff, which could work to our advantage. To repeat an old cliche, its important tonight that the Bears don't come out "overhyped" early and instead stick to the basic game plan. Fortunately, Fox's style of coaching probably protects them from this problem. Looking forward to another good game.
I would stay away from the game. Too many unknowns.it may depend what kind of defense usc plays.
Go Bears!
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oskidunker said:

RedlessWardrobe said:

The "ranking" factor is always a bit overrated. OTOH we know USC will be tough, although their schedule so far doesn't appear to be overwhelming.
Of course another main factor is that they have had a long layoff, which could work to our advantage. To repeat an old cliche, its important tonight that the Bears don't come out "overhyped" early and instead stick to the basic game plan. Fortunately, Fox's style of coaching probably protects them from this problem. Looking forward to another good game.
I would stay away from the game. Too many unknowns.
Basketball point spreads have never made much sense to me. The final score of a basketball game can greatly vary from what really occurs on the court. At least in football the final score is more likely an indication of the game played. If you're going to bet basketball the money line is the most accurate way to do it.

I will agree with OD on this one. The biggest unknown as I stated earlier is how the long layoff will affect USC. Still, its hard to dismiss the way we have been playing. Also looking at USC roster it does not appear they have any significant size advantage over us. As usual, the keys will be Andre's scoring, Joel's defense, and the X factor is whether Grant will continue to rebound as well as he has lately. Anyway, Go Bears!
bearsandgiants
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If ever there was a time to bet on the Bears, this is it, but I'd still not touch it.
calfanz
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One of my first rules of sports betting is **dont bet on a game you already care about.

But if you want to bet basketball.

Either the ML bet or, the first half bet. The problem with the full game point spread, your results (especially in close games) is distorted by late game fouling.
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bearsandgiants said:

If ever there was a time to bet on the Bears, this is it, but I'd still not touch it.
Think you have it right here. The top 3 are just a big step ahead of the rest of the Pac. I would love to be wrong, especially against U$C, but this could be one of the two point favs against ASU that we were last weekend turning into 24.

I'll keep my hopes up and $$$$ in my pocket on this one. Save a few bucks for the Wash, 'furds, ASUs or the world.
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I have to think SC is going to be extremely rusty. Remember how rusty we looked v. Dartmouth coming off finals? That was just one week. These guys have been off for like 3+ weeks. We need to attack them and beat them to every loose ball and put them on their heels while they are dazed and confused. These two home games v. the LA schools have actually worked out really well for us. This weekend is our best chance to beat them. Omicron may have provided us a silver lining.
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I would feel better about the game if we had had to tough it out against the devils.
I have no idea about the over/under, but the under sounds conceptually appealing.
Econ141
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For Cal games I always bet with the heart to get double the pleasure. That said, I am also not a fool so I bet very small.
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fat_slice said:

For Cal games I always bet with the heart to get double the pleasure. That said, I am also not a fool so I bet very small.
I bet with my head, not my heart, on Cal games, but I always bet small whether Cal is playing or not. I will always root for Cal to win, even if it means losing money (especially since it will be small). But I will lay off with my heart.

I prefer to avoid the double loss (Cal loses the game and I lose the bet), and I like the possibility of a double win (Cal wins the game and I win the bet).

Therefore, the best bet on a Cal game is to bet on the opponent when Cal is favored (assuming, of course, you think that Cal is favored by too much and it is a good bet). In that case, there is no possibility of a double loss -- if Cal loses the game I win the bet, if I lose the bet, Cal wins the game. And there is the possibility of a double win, Cal wins the game but the opponent beats the spread.

The worst bet is to bet against Cal when Cal is an underdog. There is the possibility of a double loss, Cal beats the spread and loses the game, and no possibility of a double win, if Cal wins the game I lose the bet, and if I win the bet, Cal definitely loses the game.

If I think it is a good bet, I'll bet on Cal as either a favorite or an underdog, but more often as an underdog, since winning a bet will take a little of the sting off a close heartbreaking loss. Not enough of the sting, but some. There is the possibility of either a double win or a double loss when betting on Cal, plus the possibility of a split, although there is a possibility of a double loss, there is no conflict, I just root for Cal.

The only time I can remember betting the opponent when Cal was favored and ending up slightly annoyed with Cal winning but not beating the spread was the 2009 Arizona-Cal football game. I bet Arizona, I believe +2.5. It was the Nick Foles double pass game, where Arizona was down 18-16, the double pass took Arizona out of FG range so they had to go for it on 4th and 17, Foles pass was incomplete, with 1:30 left and Arizona had 2 timeouts. Perfect, one first down for the Bears secures a double win. Then on Cal's first (and only) play of the drive, Vereen goes 61 yards for a TD. If he goes down before the end zone, Cal can take knees and secure my double win, but since the Bears would go up 9 with the PAT, I was OK with the TD, it was worth losing $55 to see that TD.

Except Tavecchio missed the PAT, and now Arizona had a chance to win, so Vereen really should have gone down and I'd have been $50 richer instead of $55 poorer and I wouldn't have had to sweat out the last 1:21 of the game. There was a decent return but a holding call moved the ball back to the Arizona 35, Foles threw for 12 yards on the first play but then an incomplete and a sack put the Wildcats in a hole they couldn't climb out of and the Bears win. By 2.

But that's the only time I remember wishing the Bears hadn't scored when I had bet on the opponent. I did have a friend who bet St. Joe's as a 1.5 point favorite in the Pete Newell Classic at the Coliseum, and with the Bears down 4, Ubaka hit a 3 at the buzzer. Ouch. The only way he takes a double loss is for Cal to lose by 1, and they did. He kind of wished Ubaka missed that shot.

My head says the way to bet on tonight's game is to bet SC. But I won't do that, I won't risk being mad that Shepherd hits a 3 at the buzzer to cut the lead from 8 to 5, or worse yet, really, really upset that SC hits a shot at the buzzer to win the game. No, tonight is a good time to lay off, even if financially, a beat on SC might be the good move.



oskidunker
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If they stop Kelly we could be in trouble.
Go Bears!
Rxrg09b
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bearister said:

5.5 points makes me feel a tad squeamish with regard to wagering my pension on the Bears. We are a tough out at Haas, but are we that tough of one against the # 7 ranked team?




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Thank you for the thread… I'EV been out and about and just now getting to focus on this and was going to post the same question.

Had USC not been on a 3 week hiatus, this would be a double digit spread, even at home. The 5.5 just goes to show how good the wolves in Vegas are at setting the line. This game, however, seems like the line is a midpoint of sorts. Either USC plays without skipping much of a beat and blow us out by 10+, or it goes to the wire, in which case maybe we win, maybe we don't, and maybe foul play stretches a close game to 5.5 spread area - or the other way and we win HY the same.

So where does that leave me? I'm masochistic and will bet on the bears. Go big or go home!

Edit: Hardest thing for me though is I'm in DC and GambetDC is a complete joke with vig averaging 25%+. My bookie in LA was 5% vig.
oskidunker
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Do you think we have a better chance against Usc ir ucla? They have 45 at half against long Beach. Leading now 62-46
Go Bears!
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oskidunker said:

Do you think we have a better chance against Usc ir ucla? They have 45 at half against long Beach. Leading now 62-46


USC if for no other reason that UCLA has their Long Beach game to work out the rust (although not necessarily the conditioning).

But UCLA, we've played hard against them as underdogs at times and came close or pulled out the upset.

About a push. But for what it's worth, ESPN odds have us at a 35.7% chance beating USC and only a 23.5% chance beating UCLA.
Rxrg09b
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For what it's worth, I bet with 2/3rds on the money line and 1/3 on Cal to win.

Let's do this boys! GO BEARS!
HoopDreams
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before I always was optimistic that UCLA would play poor defense and undisciplined on offense, and let Cal get a W

with their new coach, that's no longer realistic

I expect fewer Cal upsets vs UCLA
philbert
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If I were to bet, I'd bet the under.
calumnus
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I never bet on the Bears. I certainly never bet against them.

I don't do NCAA brackets when we make the Tournament. Or if I must, I do two brackets, one with the Bears going to at least the Final Four.
bearister
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I think I just pulled a muscle reading this.
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SFCityBear
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Wagering? I am shocked, shocked to see that gambling is going on here.
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bearister said:

I think I just pulled a muscle reading this.


Lol
calumnus
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Cal8285 said:

fat_slice said:

For Cal games I always bet with the heart to get double the pleasure. That said, I am also not a fool so I bet very small.
I bet with my head, not my heart, on Cal games, but I always bet small whether Cal is playing or not. I will always root for Cal to win, even if it means losing money (especially since it will be small). But I will lay off with my heart.

I prefer to avoid the double loss (Cal loses the game and I lose the bet), and I like the possibility of a double win (Cal wins the game and I win the bet).

Therefore, the best bet on a Cal game is to bet on the opponent when Cal is favored (assuming, of course, you think that Cal is favored by too much and it is a good bet). In that case, there is no possibility of a double loss -- if Cal loses the game I win the bet, if I lose the bet, Cal wins the game. And there is the possibility of a double win, Cal wins the game but the opponent beats the spread.

The worst bet is to bet against Cal when Cal is an underdog. There is the possibility of a double loss, Cal beats the spread and loses the game, and no possibility of a double win, if Cal wins the game I lose the bet, and if I win the bet, Cal definitely loses the game.

If I think it is a good bet, I'll bet on Cal as either a favorite or an underdog, but more often as an underdog, since winning a bet will take a little of the sting off a close heartbreaking loss. Not enough of the sting, but some. There is the possibility of either a double win or a double loss when betting on Cal, plus the possibility of a split, although there is a possibility of a double loss, there is no conflict, I just root for Cal.

The only time I can remember betting the opponent when Cal was favored and ending up slightly annoyed with Cal winning but not beating the spread was the 2009 Arizona-Cal football game. I bet Arizona, I believe +2.5. It was the Nick Foles double pass game, where Arizona was down 18-16, the double pass took Arizona out of FG range so they had to go for it on 4th and 17, Foles pass was incomplete, with 1:30 left and Arizona had 2 timeouts. Perfect, one first down for the Bears secures a double win. Then on Cal's first (and only) play of the drive, Vereen goes 61 yards for a TD. If he goes down before the end zone, Cal can take knees and secure my double win, but since the Bears would go up 9 with the PAT, I was OK with the TD, it was worth losing $55 to see that TD.

Except Tavecchio missed the PAT, and now Arizona had a chance to win, so Vereen really should have gone down and I'd have been $50 richer instead of $55 poorer and I wouldn't have had to sweat out the last 1:21 of the game. There was a decent return but a holding call moved the ball back to the Arizona 35, Foles threw for 12 yards on the first play but then an incomplete and a sack put the Wildcats in a hole they couldn't climb out of and the Bears win. By 2.

But that's the only time I remember wishing the Bears hadn't scored when I had bet on the opponent. I did have a friend who bet St. Joe's as a 1.5 point favorite in the Pete Newell Classic at the Coliseum, and with the Bears down 4, Ubaka hit a 3 at the buzzer. Ouch. The only way he takes a double loss is for Cal to lose by 1, and they did. He kind of wished Ubaka missed that shot.

My head says the way to bet on tonight's game is to bet SC. But I won't do that, I won't risk being mad that Shepherd hits a 3 at the buzzer to cut the lead from 8 to 5, or worse yet, really, really upset that SC hits a shot at the buzzer to win the game. No, tonight is a good time to lay off, even if financially, a beat on SC might be the good move.






Spot on. We played well, they were sluggish in the first half and we keep them in reach but 5.5 was not nearly enough. Would not have been happy betting either way.
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