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12:20p, 2/4/22
It is time for a change.

If you agree respond back with your relationship to the program. Maybe someone can shepherd to the AD or we can get attention. Absent that I will start a petition ;-)


ME: 50+ year Cal Basketball year fan and University Brat of a 30+ year tentured faculty member. Have attended over 100 mens games and donated, cumulative, low 5 figures to the athletic department.

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12:26p, 2/4/22
I agree. He is a good development and X's and O's coach, but he has never been able to sign a 4 star to Cal. You need at least one 4 star every class to compete in the PAC 12. Either AD or basketball coach needs to go because something is keeping us from having competitive talent. I am just a long time fan who graduated in 2003.
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12:29p, 2/4/22
I haven't a clue because I don't know hoops. But I feel for the players.
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12:46p, 2/4/22
I doubt your movement will gain any traction. Not because Fox hasn't performed horribly (which most of us predicted when he was first hired), but because there's hardly anyone left that cares about Cal basketball.

I was a 15 year fan until Mike Williams and Jim Knowlton destroyed the program.
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1:13p, 2/4/22
No. Just no. We cant keep firing coaches. Give him another year.been going toevery game since 1968. Recently upgraded to chairbacks. Cancelled football season tickets two years ago due to night games and cost .
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In reply to oskidunker • 1:32p, 2/4/22
oskidunker said:
No. Just no. We cant keep firing coaches. Give him another year.been going toevery game since 1968. Recently upgraded to chairbacks. Cancelled football season tickets two years ago due to night games and cost .
Next year will be even worse. Who replaces Kelly (Lars?) And while slumping Grant? Sure. We will have some VERY raw frosh that BI'ers see with "potential" and after another 9 win season and picked to finish 12th we will say he needs another year to try to see what he can do with his "young" team.
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In reply to oskidunker • 1:37p, 2/4/22
oskidunker said:
No. Just no. We cant keep firing coaches. Give him another year.been going toevery game since 1968. Recently upgraded to chairbacks. Cancelled football season tickets two years ago due to night games and cost .


There's no logic or strategy behind this given the roster.
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In reply to socaliganbear • 1:55p, 2/4/22
socaliganbear said:
oskidunker said:
No. Just no. We cant keep firing coaches. Give him another year.been going toevery game since 1968. Recently upgraded to chairbacks. Cancelled football season tickets two years ago due to night games and cost .


There no logic or strategy behind this given the roster.


The scary thing will be the big upcoming class when his huge first class graduates. If he is the one that fills that class it will limit the potential of the program for the following four years even if he is replaced. The sooner a new coach can be in place and start recruiting for that class, the better, though with the transfer portal we have an extra year of wiggle room.
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2:11p, 2/4/22

Big Cal Basketball fan for 40+ years, Attended over 500 games. Season ticket holder.

I wouldn't have hired Fox in the first place. Whether they fire him next month or give him another season to try and turn things around, I will leave that up to the AD and the people who would be paying for the buy-out and new coach.
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2:27p, 2/4/22
I can't advocate firing Fox when I have no faith in our ability to hire a good replacement. If we're just rearranging deck chairs on the Titanic, why bother?

45+ year Cal basketball fan, attended over 500 home games, season ticket holder since the 7 years of having a student ticket ended, who is seriously thinking about non-renewal.
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In reply to Cal8285 • 2:44p, 2/4/22
30+ year fan, season ticket holder for most of my 12 (!) years as a student, season ticket holder for a few years after graduating until kids and distance made it too hard to regularly attend. Have tried to attend a few games a year pre-covid; have not been to a game since the pandemic started.

For all the good (?) that Knowlton may have done for football, if we really don't think that he can pick a better coach than Fox, I'd think that's a big reason to find someone else who can do the job.
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In reply to Cal8285 • 4:32p, 2/4/22
Cal8285 said:
I can't advocate firing Fox when I have no faith in our ability to hire a good replacement. If we're just rearranging deck chairs on the Titanic, why bother?

45+ year Cal basketball fan, attended over 500 home games, season ticket holder since the 7 years of having a student ticket ended, who is seriously thinking about non-renewal.


Knowlton is on contract through 2029. I think the way we move forward is with a "basketball committee" with key donors and former players like Shareef, Marks, Crabbe, Brown and Kidd on it.
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In reply to oskidunker • 4:34p, 2/4/22
oskidunker said:
No. Just no. We cant keep firing coaches. Give him another year.been going toevery game since 1968. Recently upgraded to chairbacks. Cancelled football season tickets two years ago due to night games and cost .
Yes you can. Until you get it right.
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In reply to Cal8285 • 4:36p, 2/4/22
Cal8285 said:
I can't advocate firing Fox when I have no faith in our ability to hire a good replacement. If we're just rearranging deck chairs on the Titanic, why bother?

45+ year Cal basketball fan, attended over 500 home games, season ticket holder since the 7 years of having a student ticket ended, who is seriously thinking about non-renewal.
I hear you, but when we have an opportunity to land an up and coming coach who actually has ties to our program, like Dennis Gates, I think you have to move the chairs around to allow for it. He might not be available for much longer.
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In reply to CalLifer • 4:40p, 2/4/22
CalLifer said:
30+ year fan, season ticket holder for most of my 12 (!) years as a student, season ticket holder for a few years after graduating until kids and distance made it too hard to regularly attend. Have tried to attend a few games a year pre-covid; have not been to a game since the pandemic started.

For all the good (?) that Knowlton may have done for football, if we really don't think that he can pick a better coach than Fox, I'd think that's a big reason to find someone else who can do the job.


I truly believe Knowlton was a worse fit and far worse hire for Cal than Fox was. His 7 year extension to 2029 could be catastrophic. It is the worst time in history to entrust Cal athletics to a career Army bureaucrat with limited AD experience and that only at miliatary academies and whose sports expertise is ice hockey.
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In reply to calumnus • 4:50p, 2/4/22
calumnus said:
CalLifer said:
30+ year fan, season ticket holder for most of my 12 (!) years as a student, season ticket holder for a few years after graduating until kids and distance made it too hard to regularly attend. Have tried to attend a few games a year pre-covid; have not been to a game since the pandemic started.

For all the good (?) that Knowlton may have done for football, if we really don't think that he can pick a better coach than Fox, I'd think that's a big reason to find someone else who can do the job.


I truly believe Knowlton was a worse fit and far worse hire for Cal than Fox was. His 7 year extension to 2029 could be catastrophic. It is the worst time in history to entrust Cal athletics to a career Army bureaucrat with limited AD experience and that only at miliatary academies and whose sports expertise is ice hockey.

Air Force, but yeah. I will throw this out there: Plenty of football "insiders" think that Knowlton is doing a lot to further the football program, perhaps because that's where the big revenue really is. Basketball has been terrible, although maybe he has accomplished things behind the scenes to get the practice facility going.

But yeah.
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In reply to KoreAmBear • 4:53p, 2/4/22
KoreAmBear said:
Cal8285 said:
I can't advocate firing Fox when I have no faith in our ability to hire a good replacement. If we're just rearranging deck chairs on the Titanic, why bother?

45+ year Cal basketball fan, attended over 500 home games, season ticket holder since the 7 years of having a student ticket ended, who is seriously thinking about non-renewal.
I hear you, but when we have an opportunity to land an up and coming coach who actually has ties to our program, like Dennis Gates, I think you have to move the chairs around to allow for it. He might not be available for much longer.

If we make a coaching change next month and you want to be the first to get a line on who the new hire will be, hack into Knowlton's search firm and see who they have in their stable. Everybody else will be window dressing.

I am being facetious, sure, but only 50% facetious.
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In reply to calumnus • 5:02p, 2/4/22
calumnus said:
CalLifer said:
30+ year fan, season ticket holder for most of my 12 (!) years as a student, season ticket holder for a few years after graduating until kids and distance made it too hard to regularly attend. Have tried to attend a few games a year pre-covid; have not been to a game since the pandemic started.

For all the good (?) that Knowlton may have done for football, if we really don't think that he can pick a better coach than Fox, I'd think that's a big reason to find someone else who can do the job.


I truly believe Knowlton was a worse fit and far worse hire for Cal than Fox was.
Bingo. (I was one of the first to throw shade on his weak resume for a Power 5 conf. The culture at AFA could not be any further than that at Berkeley.)
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5:17p, 2/4/22
Fan since 2008. May have had unrealistic expectations set from my early returns as a fan. Fox ain't it and I'd rather have a search committee swing and whiff again with the remote chance they select someone decent than sufferer another year of scowling sideline demeanor while the team drops 47 points. If we can't have wins can we at least have a basketball experience that is better than watching paint dry?
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In reply to KenBurnski • 5:42p, 2/4/22
KenBurnski said:
Fan since 2008. May have had unrealistic expectations set from my early returns as a fan. Fox ain't it and I'd rather have a search committee swing and whiff again with the remote chance they select someone decent than sufferer another year of scowling sideline demeanor while the team drops 47 points. If we can't have wins can we at least have a basketball experience that is better than watching paint dry?
No
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In reply to Big Dog • 8:20p, 2/4/22
Big Dog said:
calumnus said:
CalLifer said:
30+ year fan, season ticket holder for most of my 12 (!) years as a student, season ticket holder for a few years after graduating until kids and distance made it too hard to regularly attend. Have tried to attend a few games a year pre-covid; have not been to a game since the pandemic started.

For all the good (?) that Knowlton may have done for football, if we really don't think that he can pick a better coach than Fox, I'd think that's a big reason to find someone else who can do the job.


I truly believe Knowlton was a worse fit and far worse hire for Cal than Fox was.
Bingo. (I was one of the first to throw shade on his weak resume for a Power 5 conf. The culture at AFA could not be any further than that at Berkeley.)


Exactly. And he was only at Air Force 2 or 3 years? No hirings, no firings?
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In reply to KoreAmBear • 9:11a, 2/5/22
KoreAmBear said:
Cal8285 said:
I can't advocate firing Fox when I have no faith in our ability to hire a good replacement. If we're just rearranging deck chairs on the Titanic, why bother?

45+ year Cal basketball fan, attended over 500 home games, season ticket holder since the 7 years of having a student ticket ended, who is seriously thinking about non-renewal.
I hear you, but when we have an opportunity to land an up and coming coach who actually has ties to our program, like Dennis Gates, I think you have to move the chairs around to allow for it. He might not be available for much longer.
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In reply to KoreAmBear • 11:21a, 2/5/22
KoreAmBear said:
Cal8285 said:
I can't advocate firing Fox when I have no faith in our ability to hire a good replacement. If we're just rearranging deck chairs on the Titanic, why bother?

45+ year Cal basketball fan, attended over 500 home games, season ticket holder since the 7 years of having a student ticket ended, who is seriously thinking about non-renewal.
I hear you, but when we have an opportunity to land an up and coming coach who actually has ties to our program, like Dennis Gates, I think you have to move the chairs around to allow for it. He might not be available for much longer.
If I thought that Knowlton would hire Gates, I'd be all in favor of it.

I'm glad to see you've still got some of that MOC in you. I like to think that I'm mostly a "hope for the best, prepare for the worst, and try to have realisitic expectations" kind of fan, but I'm having more and more trouble hoping for the best. If I thought a) Knowton would want to hire Gates, and b) Gates would come, I'd be all in favor of letting Fox go.

Heck, if we got Todd Golden I'd be in favor of it. I'd be in favor if we got Shantay. But I guess my expectation is that we'd get another Fox-type retreat, and my hopes aren't much higher than my expectations.

With the right person and personality, I like taking a chance on a guy with limited experience. In late 2001, I wanted Rivera as HC for football. I would have vastly preferred Gates to Fox three years ago. I would have preferred at least 50 realistic options to Fox three years ago. I would have preferred Lindsay Gottlieb to Fox. His record made clear that Fox had a very limited ceiling (although I thought his floor was higher than it is turning out to be). Given that we got Fox, I am not hopeful about who would get hired as his replacement.

I would like a hire that would actually stop the ship from sinking. Gates might be that, the hope is that such a hire would do more than move the chairs around. I just don't have hope that Knowlton will make sure a hire. I'm glad someone out there has such hope.
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In reply to socaltownie • 1:00p, 2/5/22
~30 year former season ticket holder who attended nearly every home game from 1990 to sometime during the Wyking debacle, when we dropped our tickets and haven't looked back. Now I routinely forget games are being played. I don't know the schedule or who we play next. A friend tried to give me tickets to go with him to the Ucla and Arizona games, but I declined because I knew what the results would be. I didn't have other plans. Last game I watched any part of was a recording of the ASU replay. Before that I caught a few min of the Seton Hall game. I can't tell you our record. I generally know the roster, but can't give you any meaningful comment on the strengths and weaknesses of any of the players. Honestly I don't really follow college basketball at all anymore. Since we dropped our premium bench seats we have never been contacted by anyone within the AD to ask why, or what it would take for us to buy back in. They don't care.

I would LOVE for us to hire The Sheriff. Not because he played for Cal, but because he is a dynamic young coach with tons of potential. But I'm convinced the AD doesn't want to field a competitive basketball team, so I'm not holding my breath. From my point of view they intentionally killed the program and have in place now exactly what they want. They need to drop the GPA quota to be competitive, and they know it. 20% of 85 is 17, which is arguably viable. But 20% of 13 is only 2 unless you round up, which I doubt they allow. There are only so many Jaylen Brown's out there. Anyone who continues to buy tickets or donate is at best tacitly endorsing their choices.
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In reply to WalterSobchak • 1:18p, 2/5/22
WalterSobchak said:
... From my point of view they intentionally killed the program and have in place now exactly what they want ...
I'm not sure about that. They could have found a much less expensive coach to accomplish that.
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In reply to Cal8285 • 1:51p, 2/5/22
Cal8285 said:
KoreAmBear said:
Cal8285 said:
I can't advocate firing Fox when I have no faith in our ability to hire a good replacement. If we're just rearranging deck chairs on the Titanic, why bother?

45+ year Cal basketball fan, attended over 500 home games, season ticket holder since the 7 years of having a student ticket ended, who is seriously thinking about non-renewal.
I hear you, but when we have an opportunity to land an up and coming coach who actually has ties to our program, like Dennis Gates, I think you have to move the chairs around to allow for it. He might not be available for much longer.
If I thought that Knowlton would hire Gates, I'd be all in favor of it.

I'm glad to see you've still got some of that MOC in you. I like to think that I'm mostly a "hope for the best, prepare for the worst, and try to have realisitic expectations" kind of fan, but I'm having more and more trouble hoping for the best. If I thought a) Knowton would want to hire Gates, and b) Gates would come, I'd be all in favor of letting Fox go.

Heck, if we got Todd Golden I'd be in favor of it. I'd be in favor if we got Shantay. But I guess my expectation is that we'd get another Fox-type retreat, and my hopes aren't much higher than my expectations.

With the right person and personality, I like taking a chance on a guy with limited experience. In late 2001, I wanted Rivera as HC for football. I would have vastly preferred Gates to Fox three years ago. I would have preferred at least 50 realistic options to Fox three years ago. I would have preferred Lindsay Gottlieb to Fox. His record made clear that Fox had a very limited ceiling (although I thought his floor was higher than it is turning out to be). Given that we got Fox, I am not hopeful about who would get hired as his replacement.

I would like a hire that would actually stop the ship from sinking. Gates might be that, the hope is that such a hire would do more than move the chairs around. I just don't have hope that Knowlton will make sure a hire. I'm glad someone out there has such hope.
I agree with pretty much everything you said here. We know what we should do (hire someone like Gates or Golden or Legans), but we have our institutional and financial constraints, which have been aggravated by horrible decisions in the past.
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In reply to WalterSobchak • 6:56p, 2/5/22
WalterSobchak said:
~30 year former season ticket holder who attended nearly every home game from 1990 to sometime during the Wyking debacle, when we dropped our tickets and haven't looked back. Now I routinely forget games are being played. I don't know the schedule or who we play next. A friend tried to give me tickets to go with him to the Ucla and Arizona games, but I declined because I knew what the results would be. I didn't have other plans. Last game I watched any part of was a recording of the ASU replay. Before that I caught a few min of the Seton Hall game. I can't tell you our record. I generally know the roster, but can't give you any meaningful comment on the strengths and weaknesses of any of the players. Honestly I don't really follow college basketball at all anymore. Since we dropped our premium bench seats we have never been contacted by anyone within the AD to ask why, or what it would take for us to buy back in. They don't care.

I would LOVE for us to hire The Sheriff. Not because he played for Cal, but because he is a dynamic young coach with tons of potential. But I'm convinced the AD doesn't want to field a competitive basketball team, so I'm not holding my breath. From my point of view they intentionally killed the program and have in place now exactly what they want. They need to drop the GPA quota to be competitive, and they know it. 20% of 85 is 17, which is arguably viable. But 20% of 13 is only 2 unless you round up, which I doubt they allow. There are only so many Jaylen Brown's out there. Anyone who continues to buy tickets or donate is at best tacitly endorsing their choices.

This is what's sad: A former avid season ticket holder is now almost bragging about his current apathy (and I say that with all due respect, WalterSobchak... this is our leisure time and we can spend it any way we want, not out of some sense of duty).

That said, I can't imagine the AD not wanting to field a competitive basketball team. I think he just messed this one up by mistake (and I have no idea if he now "gets it").

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8:31p, 2/5/22
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In reply to bearister • 9:18p, 2/5/22
Damn, Bearister going deep into the memory banks for this one.
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In reply to socaltownie • 7:15a, 2/6/22
Like a lot of folks here, I fell in love with Cal basketball going to games at Harmon as a student. The place was packed and roaring every single night and you got a literal physical charge from it. When the faithful sang "Hail to California" I felt like I was in church. I signed up for the waiting list as soon as I graduated in 1991, finally got tickets, spent way too much time on the message boards obsessing about whether Dirk Nowitzki and Julian Sensley would come to Cal, gave some of my meager 20-something income to the Haas construction fund, got fancier seats, and re-upped and donated for close to 20 years. I even held onto my seats when I moved out of the area for a three-year spell. As I said on another board, I gave up my seats the moment Williams named Wyking. It was an obvious act of arson. And it was an inside job. The basketball situation is not Knowland's fault, but his abrupt decision to name Fox made a bad situation even worse. He must be able to see that. We have the worst talent of any team in the last 30 years. Like a lot of you, I rarely go to Haas anymore. It's like eating in an empty restaurant. I get that Fox is a nice guy but his approach to the game alienated our best player and is not putting recruits in the pipeline or asses in the seats. It is time to rejuvenate the program with someone who understands the challenges of Berkeley and loves it all the more. I think the Sheriff would come.
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In reply to bearister • 7:22a, 2/6/22
bearister said:
In the context of Cal BB, I thought about this movie a couple of days ago, but points to you for going to the effort of finding it!
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In reply to Growler91 • 7:31a, 2/6/22
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Like a lot of folks here, I fell in love with Cal basketball going to games at Harmon as a student. The place was packed and roaring every single night and you got a literal physical charge from it. When the faithful sang "Hail to California" I felt like I was in church. I signed up for the waiting list as soon as I graduated in 1991, finally got tickets, spent way too much time on the message boards obsessing about whether Dirk Nowitzki and Julian Sensley would come to Cal, gave some of my meager 20-something income to the Haas construction fund, got fancier seats, and re-upped and donated for close to 20 years. I even held onto my seats when I moved out of the area for a three-year spell. As I said on another board, I gave up my seats the moment Williams named Wyking. It was an obvious act of arson. And it was an inside job. The basketball situation is not Knowland's fault, but his abrupt decision to name Fox made a bad situation even worse. He must be able to see that. We have the worst talent of any team in the last 30 years. Like a lot of you, I rarely go to Haas anymore. It's like eating in an empty restaurant. I get that Fox is a nice guy but his approach to the game alienated our best player and is not putting recruits in the pipeline or asses in the seats. It is time to rejuvenate the program with someone who understands the challenges of Berkeley and loves it all the more. I think the Sheriff would come.
This is so right on. Let's get back to the electric setting in Harmon. that's more important than any coach or player. If he wants to get a consulting firm do that. If he needs to go to SDSU, ASU, BYU or Gonzaga do that.

RECREATE the magic. without the magic of Harmon, the fandom will just be bandwagoneers.
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In reply to calfanz • 8:24a, 2/6/22
As Marsellus Wallace would say if he was a Cal fan:

"Naw, man, the Bears are pretty f@ucking far from having to worry about bandwagon jumpers."

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8:41a, 2/6/22
Kidd team captivated me, got back in with Monty. You lost me with Wyking. Haven't been to a game since and don't plan on it until…. Kind of don't care anymore.
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9:00a, 2/6/22
Something needs to change with Cal MBB and WBB. The team records the last two years are terrible. The talent level is not at the upper 1/3 or even middle 1/3 of the PAC-12. I look at the players that have been coming in and I do not things things are going to turn around unless there is a change at the top.

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