MODERATORS, PLEASE TRANSFER THIS COMMENT TO THE WOMEN'S BASKETBALL BOARD.

bearister said:

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MODERATORS, PLEASE TRANSFER THIS COMMENT TO THE WOMEN'S BASKETBALL BOARD.

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Or just lock the thread.

oskidunker said:

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bearister said:

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MODERATORS, PLEASE TRANSFER THIS COMMENT TO THE WOMEN'S BASKETBALL BOARD.

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Or just lock the thread.

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You seem to be Fox's only supporter. Maybe you should look within.

Bearister....The latest Karen on the BB site.

I WAS a season ticket holder since Kuchen was coach. I used to coach youth basketball and coached many of the summer camps under Campy, Bozeman and Braun. I didn't renew them this year (or effectively last year). All of my kids grew up going to Cal games and afterwards, Cal games were a great excuse to meet an old friend for dinner in Berkeley and catch a game.

I moved my primary residence from Moraga about 5 years ago, but continued to attend almost every home game until the pandemic. Why did I not renew? Lots of reasons, some of which have been brewing for years, others more triggering.

1. The game day experience has really plummeted for me. This is the biggest issue. Some of it is simply changing times. Some of it is the product on the floor. Most of it is controllable by the administration, but they have generally been tone deaf for years and ignored or pooh poohed most of my suggestions. Basically saying that they don't care about it.

2. Game time logistics. It used to be the exception that games were NOT Thursday evening at 7pm and Saturday afternoon/evening. It worked with job schedules, traffic patterns and predictability for a nice long weekend. Once the games were moved to Wednesday and Sunday evening and 6pm tip offs it started breaking down.

3. Fans. Not general fans, but my friends who used to beg me to take them to a Cal game. Since Martin's second year, it was like pulling teeth to get anyone to come. It was exacerbated by logistics, above.

4. Travel - this was the trigger for me. I fly down to the Bay Area from PDX for every home football game and most bball games. Since the pandemic, the frequency, cost and convenience of fights has become very difficult.

5. The Pandemic cost my business high six figures and required more of my focus. Not as easy to manage it from the road. Plus not taking much pay, made it harder to justify the five figures I was committing to Bball each year.

None of these include who the coach is - but that does impact the experience and makes it much harder to change back. Also, the lack of focus from the Ath Dept on Bball is disheartening.

When I gave up my chairbacks, my donor rep said that many others were doing the same and didn't do much to keep me coming back. After all - its not like anyone else wanted them, so they would very likely be available if I wanted them back in the future.

BeachedBear said:

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I WAS a season ticket holder since Kuchen was coach. I used to coach youth basketball and coached many of the summer camps under Campy, Bozeman and Braun. I didn't renew them this year (or effectively last year). All of my kids grew up going to Cal games and afterwards, Cal games were a great excuse to meet an old friend for dinner in Berkeley and catch a game.

I moved my primary residence from Moraga about 5 years ago, but continued to attend almost every home game until the pandemic. Why did I not renew? Lots of reasons, some of which have been brewing for years, others more triggering.

1. The game day experience has really plummeted for me. This is the biggest issue. Some of it is simply changing times. Some of it is the product on the floor. Most of it is controllable by the administration, but they have generally been tone deaf for years and ignored or pooh poohed most of my suggestions. Basically saying that they don't care about it.

2. Game time logistics. It used to be the exception that games were NOT Thursday evening at 7pm and Saturday afternoon/evening. It worked with job schedules, traffic patterns and predictability for a nice long weekend. Once the games were moved to Wednesday and Sunday evening and 6pm tip offs it started breaking down.

3. Fans. Not general fans, but my friends who used to beg me to take them to a Cal game. Since Martin's second year, it was like pulling teeth to get anyone to come. It was exacerbated by logistics, above.

4. Travel - this was the trigger for me. I fly down to the Bay Area from PDX for every home football game and most bball games. Since the pandemic, the frequency, cost and convenience of fights has become very difficult.

5. The Pandemic cost my business high six figures and required more of my focus. Not as easy to manage it from the road. Plus not taking much pay, made it harder to justify the five figures I was committing to Bball each year.

None of these include who the coach is - but that does impact the experience and makes it much harder to change back. Also, the lack of focus from the Ath Dept on Bball is disheartening.

When I gave up my chairbacks, my donor rep said that many others were doing the same and didn't do much to keep me coming back. After all - its not like anyone else wanted them, so they would very likely be available if I wanted them back in the future.

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Thats interesting be because I upgraded to chairbacks early on the first day. I was told nothing available below about row K . I got section 17 row C but two-seats together and 1 two seats down. It was worse availability in sections 1,2 and 3. I have been to almost every game and no one has ever sat in my row except about 5 seats towards the middle. Row B has nobody except 5 to my right. The lodge seats are always occupied by Students or other people moving in. So people renewed and never came or they are holding the seats for some reason.

There have been no ushers in the upstairs all season except for the wsu game when they suddenly appeared . At the Washington game students pretty much filled up section 17. Maybe someone complained. They were not bothering me so I did not care. I also noticed vendors for the first time Saturday.

socaltownie said:

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It is time for a change.

If you agree respond back with your relationship to the program. Maybe someone can shepherd to the AD or we can get attention. Absent that I will start a petition ;-)


ME: 50+ year Cal Basketball year fan and University Brat of a 30+ year tentured faculty member. Have attended over 100 mens games and donated, cumulative, low 5 figures to the athletic department.

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I do agree it's time for a change. What a thoroughly depressing situation in which we find ourselves. From the get-go (and I said this back then) I thought this was an awful hire. I don't think there's any point in me looking back to dissect what got us here (although, I'm human so the want is great), so put simply, we need to correct this. And frankly, I think we should fire Fox "for cause" since among the conditions that justify for cause is "poor performance" or "incompetence." It would be hard to argue against that, although I'm sure Fox's attorneys would try. But good luck given his awful record. I'm tired of paying out people who don't perform, and spectacularly so.

That's just my opinion.

TheFiatLux, you work in the business world, so you must know that firing "for cause" (successfully) must entail more than W/L. Something like misconduct. Fox has fulfilled the terms in his contract. However, the threat of firing for cause could possibly lead to a better negotiated buy-out, if we want to play hardball, (which we probably do not). OTOH, Fox will be able to retire comfortably after Cal, so he might not even care.

We need to get the practice facility going and get a more high-powered staff in here. In the meantime, I still enjoy going to the games (8 so far this season!), but it ain't the greatest, honestly.

Let's go Bears: Beat the Beavers!!! (Every win counts! Go seniors! (Foreman, Shepherd, Kelly and Anticevich)

Big C said:

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TheFiatLux, you work in the business world, so you must know that firing "for cause" (successfully) must entail more than W/L. Something like misconduct. Fox has fulfilled the terms in his contract. However, the threat of firing for cause could possibly lead to a better negotiated buy-out, if we want to play hardball, (which we probably do not). OTOH, Fox will be able to retire comfortably after Cal, so he might not even care.

We need to get the practice facility going and get a more high-powered staff in here. In the meantime, I still enjoy going to the games (8 so far this season!), but it ain't the greatest, honestly.

Let's go Bears: Beat the Beavers!!! (Every win counts! Go seniors! (Foreman, Shepherd, Kelly and Anticevich)

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Not to mention that we knew what his recruiting P5 W-L record was when we hired him. The fact that he was a bad hire is on us, not his fault that he took the money and performed (down) to expectations.

California Coach Mark Fox Signs Five-Year Contract: Salary, Buyout, Incentives - Stadium


https://watchstadium.com/california-coach-mark-fox-signs-five-year-contract-salary-buyout-incentives-07-22-2019/

If Fox gets fired before his contract term is up, the University will proceed under this:

If Fox is terminated without cause, here's how much the university will owe him:

Year One: 100% of the base salary and talent fee for the remainder of the contract year in which the termination occurs.

Year Two: 100% of the base salary and talent fee for the next contract year

Year Three: 75% of the base salary and talent fee for the next contract year

Year Four: 50% of the base salary and talent fee for the next contract year

Year Five: 25% of the base salary and talent fee for the next contract year

Cal is not going to stiff him and say "sue us." NOT GOING TO HAPPEN. NO WAY. NEVER. THE END

*Not to mention the message stiffing him would send to the coaching fraternity.

bearister said:

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California Coach Mark Fox Signs Five-Year Contract: Salary, Buyout, Incentives - Stadium


https://watchstadium.com/california-coach-mark-fox-signs-five-year-contract-salary-buyout-incentives-07-22-2019/

If Fox gets fired before his contract term is up, the University will proceed under this:

If Fox is terminated without cause, here's how much the university will owe him:

Year One: 100% of the base salary and talent fee for the remainder of the contract year in which the termination occurs.

Year Two: 100% of the base salary and talent fee for the next contract year

Year Three: 75% of the base salary and talent fee for the next contract year

Year Four: 50% of the base salary and talent fee for the next contract year

Year Five: 25% of the base salary and talent fee for the next contract year

Cal is not going to stiff him and say "sue us." NOT GOING TO HAPPEN. NO WAY. NEVER. THE END

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This was awesome to read and I am likely going to laugh myself to death. Look at these incentives:

Team wins the Pac-12 Tournament: $20,000
Team wins 20 games: $10,000
Team is selected for the NCAA Tournament: $20,000
Team advances to the Round of 32: $25,000
Team advances to the Sweet 16: $30,000

I mean they could have just made any of these incentives to be (in Dr evil 's voice) 50 kajillion dollars. None of this will ever happen! Zero chance. Might as well play the lottery for a better and more likely payout.

What moron admin would pay only 20k incentive for a coach to take this team to the tournament?!? Lol - that coach should be instantaneously inducted into the hall of fame and given a contract that looks more like Coach K's.

fat_slice said:

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bearister said:

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California Coach Mark Fox Signs Five-Year Contract: Salary, Buyout, Incentives - Stadium


https://watchstadium.com/california-coach-mark-fox-signs-five-year-contract-salary-buyout-incentives-07-22-2019/

If Fox gets fired before his contract term is up, the University will proceed under this:

If Fox is terminated without cause, here's how much the university will owe him:

Year One: 100% of the base salary and talent fee for the remainder of the contract year in which the termination occurs.

Year Two: 100% of the base salary and talent fee for the next contract year

Year Three: 75% of the base salary and talent fee for the next contract year

Year Four: 50% of the base salary and talent fee for the next contract year

Year Five: 25% of the base salary and talent fee for the next contract year

Cal is not going to stiff him and say "sue us." NOT GOING TO HAPPEN. NO WAY. NEVER. THE END

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This was awesome to read and I am likely going to laugh myself to death. Look at these incentives:

Team wins the Pac-12 Tournament: $20,000
Team wins 20 games: $10,000
Team is selected for the NCAA Tournament: $20,000
Team advances to the Round of 32: $25,000
Team advances to the Sweet 16: $30,000

I mean they could have just made any of these incentives to be (in Dr evil 's voice) 50 kajillion dollars. None of this will ever happen! Zero chance. Might as well play the lottery for a better and more likely payout.

What moron admin would pay only 20k incentive for a coach to take this team to the tournament?!? Lol - that coach should be instantaneously inducted into the hall of fame and given a contract that looks more like Coach K's.

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"Team wins the National Championship" = $75,000

If he pulls it off that is a 4% bonus on his $1.8 million salary. Not exactly an "incentive laden contract."

It is like giving a physicist who invents practical cold fusion or perpetual motion (or achieves some other impossible breakthrough) that saves the world a $5,000 bonus.

Those incentives in general are pointless anyway. In this case because the milestones are impossible to reach, but in general because achieving success this day and age instantly translates to extensions and/or offers for significant pay increases.

The money made in sports today relative to the resume before even getting hired can be a head scratcher.

Many years ago I read an article where baseball players from 50 years ago were in disbelief how much money players were commanding on stats considered mediocre in their day.


*Even after adjusting for inflation and other factors.

If we beat/sweep the Farm, $uSC, Ucla, and uO every season that is enough to stay the course. . . . starting right now!

Chapman_is_Gone said:

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oskidunker said:

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bearister said:

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MODERATORS, PLEASE TRANSFER THIS COMMENT TO THE WOMEN'S BASKETBALL BOARD.

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Or just lock the thread.

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You seem to be Fox's only supporter. Maybe you should look within.

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Ok. I will do that. I liked what I saw in Oregon. Perhaps it was a mirage.