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oskidunker said:

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When Wilcox refused the Oregon job his popularity here went up,, worst losing record in 100;years in the pac12. We need to go over 500 in the conference

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So you love Fox and dislike Wilcox. Very interesting.

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No. i don't like either one. I think Fox deserves one more year, thats my issue. Some players have gotten better under Fox. Theiman, Kelly and Kuani. I agree that recruiting is bad.

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8/12, 12/12, 10/12. What do you expect to happen next year?

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Some people are seriously delusional if they think Fox can turn this around given the horrible recruiting results he's had so far. At best, I think we finish 9th and that would require a miracle.

Like I said before - if Wyking wasnt his predecessor, we would be labeling Fox as the worst coach in Cal's history. He's arguably pretty damn close to Wyking-level of sucking.

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I think Fox is worse. I think Wyking might have eventually recruited a team that would have competed for 5,6,7. There is no hope of anything better than 11th with Fox.

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The route might be a little different, but Wyking would have Cal in the same place they are now - the bottom floor of a two-story outhouse. He had the benefit of Cuonzo's one good team to use in his recruiting pitch. As that faded into the past and as the team continued to do poorly, his recruiting would weaken. Plus, even a decent high school coach could see how poorly Cal players were coached and they'd (rightfully) advise their best players to skip Cal.

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His second class was much better than his first, featuring Vanover, Bradley and Kelly. With Sueing and Austin I think we improve year over year, win at least as little as we did, but he continues to recruit LA and lands a few of the recruits that were considering us. He would have been fired this year or last and we could have hired Dennis Gates.

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boredom said:

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I'd like to thank Knowlton for having us debate which coach is the worst we ever had, the prior one who he tried to keep or the current one who he hired and refuses to move on from.

As for the debate, Wyking is worse. The only argument in the other direction is that Wyking probably recruits better than Fox (I say probably because I do think that if he stays and continues to get blown out repeatedly recruiting would have suffered) so maybe he leaves a better talent base for the next guy than Fox. Kind of like how Holmoe left enough talent for a really good coach to turn into a solid team.

Also, Wyking would've been a better coach for the Covid year than Fox. Not being able to practice much may have made Wyking's teams better.

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