stu said:

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How did the Golden Gates end up east of the Rocky Mountains?

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fat_slice said:

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F them all - Christ is just watching the crash and burn. They should be forced to watch each and every basket game next year in person. See the lack of interest and money going down the drain.

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socaltownie said:

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touchdownbears43 said:

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There's an unhealthy obsession over Gates on this board.

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I agree.

The sheriff was a GREAT Bear but was very much a Ben Braun recruit - a kid from Chicago who then came back to Assistant for Ben for 2 years (I believe the last 2 years) before moving back to East of the Mississippi.

We REALLY need a coaching candidate with DEEP roots in California and especially SOUTHERN California. I just do not see why others do not see what is obvious - that Cal _FOR REVENUE SPORTS_ is very much regional in its recruiting - mostly west coast kids and even more particularly California kids. Add in the fact that 70% of the state's population is South of the Grapevine and it means that our future coach needs to understand the southland.

Really that is the FIRST questions JK should ask - "Tell me about your recruiting successes in Southern California." Candidates who can not answer that question should get a hard pass.

(PS. This isn't to dismiss the need to recruit the Bay Area really well. We should frankly have the Soldiers over to Haas as many times as possible. It is just that only 30% of the state's population lives in the Bay Area/Sacto region and it is even more pronounced if you look at the age demographic since the Bay Area tends to skew a bit older, whiter and childless.)

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ducky23 said:

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socaltownie said:

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touchdownbears43 said:

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There's an unhealthy obsession over Gates on this board.

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I agree.

The sheriff was a GREAT Bear but was very much a Ben Braun recruit - a kid from Chicago who then came back to Assistant for Ben for 2 years (I believe the last 2 years) before moving back to East of the Mississippi.

We REALLY need a coaching candidate with DEEP roots in California and especially SOUTHERN California. I just do not see why others do not see what is obvious - that Cal _FOR REVENUE SPORTS_ is very much regional in its recruiting - mostly west coast kids and even more particularly California kids. Add in the fact that 70% of the state's population is South of the Grapevine and it means that our future coach needs to understand the southland.

Really that is the FIRST questions JK should ask - "Tell me about your recruiting successes in Southern California." Candidates who can not answer that question should get a hard pass.

(PS. This isn't to dismiss the need to recruit the Bay Area really well. We should frankly have the Soldiers over to Haas as many times as possible. It is just that only 30% of the state's population lives in the Bay Area/Sacto region and it is even more pronounced if you look at the age demographic since the Bay Area tends to skew a bit older, whiter and childless.)

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While I don't disagree that it would be great to have a coach who could recruit socal, historically speaking, our best players typically don't come from that area.

Let's just start with the Kidd era and go from there

Kidd (bay)
Murray (bay)
Shareef (Georgia)
Gray (socal but transferred from Tennessee)
Duck (Texas)
Lampley (Chicago)
Shipp and wethers (socal)
Tamir (Isreal)
Powe (bay)
Ubaka (bay)
Anderson (sac)
Randle (Chicago)
Jorge (Mexico)
Crabbe (socal)
Bird (bay)
Wallace (central cal)
Rabb (bay)
Brown (Georgia)

So really. We've gotten just as many star players from Chicago and Georgia as we've gotten from socal.

I'd argue someone who can recruit the bay and internationally is probably more useful, especially with usc and ucla on the rise.

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HoopDreams said:

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ducky23 said:

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socaltownie said:

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touchdownbears43 said:

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There's an unhealthy obsession over Gates on this board.

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I agree.

The sheriff was a GREAT Bear but was very much a Ben Braun recruit - a kid from Chicago who then came back to Assistant for Ben for 2 years (I believe the last 2 years) before moving back to East of the Mississippi.

We REALLY need a coaching candidate with DEEP roots in California and especially SOUTHERN California. I just do not see why others do not see what is obvious - that Cal _FOR REVENUE SPORTS_ is very much regional in its recruiting - mostly west coast kids and even more particularly California kids. Add in the fact that 70% of the state's population is South of the Grapevine and it means that our future coach needs to understand the southland.

Really that is the FIRST questions JK should ask - "Tell me about your recruiting successes in Southern California." Candidates who can not answer that question should get a hard pass.

(PS. This isn't to dismiss the need to recruit the Bay Area really well. We should frankly have the Soldiers over to Haas as many times as possible. It is just that only 30% of the state's population lives in the Bay Area/Sacto region and it is even more pronounced if you look at the age demographic since the Bay Area tends to skew a bit older, whiter and childless.)

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While I don't disagree that it would be great to have a coach who could recruit socal, historically speaking, our best players typically don't come from that area.

Let's just start with the Kidd era and go from there

Kidd (bay)
Murray (bay)
Shareef (Georgia)
Gray (socal but transferred from Tennessee)
Duck (Texas)
Lampley (Chicago)
Shipp and wethers (socal)
Tamir (Isreal)
Powe (bay)
Ubaka (bay)
Anderson (sac)
Randle (Chicago)
Jorge (Mexico)
Crabbe (socal)
Bird (bay)
Wallace (central cal)
Rabb (bay)
Brown (Georgia)

So really. We've gotten just as many star players from Chicago and Georgia as we've gotten from socal.

I'd argue someone who can recruit the bay and internationally is probably more useful, especially with usc and ucla on the rise.

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agree we should recruit the bay
I think we should recruit the rest of California too (so I don't agree there)
Agree we should recruit int'l

i don't agree we should focus on east coast which is our current other region

fun fact: I remember Braun specifically recruited Chicago (probably had someone on staff with recruiting ties to the city). Result:

Gates
Lampley
Randle

I'd say that was quite successful

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fat_slice said:

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HoopDreams said:

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ducky23 said:

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socaltownie said:

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touchdownbears43 said:

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There's an unhealthy obsession over Gates on this board.

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I agree.

The sheriff was a GREAT Bear but was very much a Ben Braun recruit - a kid from Chicago who then came back to Assistant for Ben for 2 years (I believe the last 2 years) before moving back to East of the Mississippi.

We REALLY need a coaching candidate with DEEP roots in California and especially SOUTHERN California. I just do not see why others do not see what is obvious - that Cal _FOR REVENUE SPORTS_ is very much regional in its recruiting - mostly west coast kids and even more particularly California kids. Add in the fact that 70% of the state's population is South of the Grapevine and it means that our future coach needs to understand the southland.

Really that is the FIRST questions JK should ask - "Tell me about your recruiting successes in Southern California." Candidates who can not answer that question should get a hard pass.

(PS. This isn't to dismiss the need to recruit the Bay Area really well. We should frankly have the Soldiers over to Haas as many times as possible. It is just that only 30% of the state's population lives in the Bay Area/Sacto region and it is even more pronounced if you look at the age demographic since the Bay Area tends to skew a bit older, whiter and childless.)

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While I don't disagree that it would be great to have a coach who could recruit socal, historically speaking, our best players typically don't come from that area.

Let's just start with the Kidd era and go from there

Kidd (bay)
Murray (bay)
Shareef (Georgia)
Gray (socal but transferred from Tennessee)
Duck (Texas)
Lampley (Chicago)
Shipp and wethers (socal)
Tamir (Isreal)
Powe (bay)
Ubaka (bay)
Anderson (sac)
Randle (Chicago)
Jorge (Mexico)
Crabbe (socal)
Bird (bay)
Wallace (central cal)
Rabb (bay)
Brown (Georgia)

So really. We've gotten just as many star players from Chicago and Georgia as we've gotten from socal.

I'd argue someone who can recruit the bay and internationally is probably more useful, especially with usc and ucla on the rise.

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agree we should recruit the bay
I think we should recruit the rest of California too (so I don't agree there)
Agree we should recruit int'l

i don't agree we should focus on east coast which is our current other region

fun fact: I remember Braun specifically recruited Chicago (probably had someone on staff with recruiting ties to the city). Result:

Gates
Lampley
Randle

I'd say that was quite successful

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2 player of the years! Charlie Moore could have been a third.

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mdbear said:

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socaltownie said:

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The fact that Monty or Fox or Martin didn't recruit So Cal well isn't a reason to say we CAN"T.

UCLA - Jaquez, Juzang, Bernard all Socal kids. Indeed, I think of they have all of 3 players who are NOT SOCAL products on the roster

USC - Mobly and Ellis and Agbonkpolo all Socal kids

Zona has ALWAYS needed to recruit well in SoCal because not enough kids/talents just in Tucson and Phoenix. This years roster is a bit of a odd duck in that respect but I also don't recall off top of head where their starters prepped/AAU.

Yes. We are best off if we can lock down the best couple of kids from NorCal every 2-3 year cycle. But Cal also needs to grab 4 stars from the southland and given the population there are usually 4 of 5 of them each year.

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Good coaches can recruit anywhere. For example, Tony Bennett was a completely Midwestern guy. He went to Washington State and recruited Klay Thompson from Southern California. Thompson became a lottery pick, and Bennett got Washington State the most wins in a season in school history. Then he switched to the East Coast and recruited well enough to win a national championship. Top recruits want to play for winners, particularly coaches they think can get them to the NBA. Cal has been terrible for five years in a row with no new energy, so no surprise recruits do not want to come here.

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Jeff82 said:

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Braun is from Chicago. He we to New Trier High in Evanston. He recruited Israel because he's Jewish. He basically used where he had contacts to recruit. From what I can tell, Fox either doesn't really have the contacts, or doesn't use them, which is why his recruiting as poor. He comes across as totally passive in that process, which is why I want him replaced.

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stu said:

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Going back a bit farther:

Campanelli was a successful HC at a smaller school (James Madison).

Kuchen was a top assistant at a big-time program (Notre Dame).

Edwards had done well as HC at Santa Clara.

Padgett and Herrerias were Cal assistants.

Newell was the closest to a retread, going 70-37 at USF but only 45-42 at Michigan State. Kinda mirrors Fox's records at Nevada and Georgia. However basketball has changed since 1954. In Newell's 3rd year Cal went 21-5, 14-2 in conference. Maybe that's what Knowlton is dreaming.

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calumnus said:

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stu said:

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Going back a bit farther:

Campanelli was a successful HC at a smaller school (James Madison).

Kuchen was a top assistant at a big-time program (Notre Dame).

Edwards had done well as HC at Santa Clara.

Padgett and Herrerias were Cal assistants.

Newell was the closest to a retread, going 70-37 at USF but only 45-42 at Michigan State. Kinda mirrors Fox's records at Nevada and Georgia. However basketball has changed since 1954. In Newell's 3rd year Cal went 21-5, 14-2 in conference. Maybe that's what Knowlton is dreaming.

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I doubt Knowlton knows who Newell was, but you might have hit on an explanation for SFCity.

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socaltownie said:

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mdbear said:

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socaltownie said:

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The fact that Monty or Fox or Martin didn't recruit So Cal well isn't a reason to say we CAN"T.

UCLA - Jaquez, Juzang, Bernard all Socal kids. Indeed, I think of they have all of 3 players who are NOT SOCAL products on the roster

USC - Mobly and Ellis and Agbonkpolo all Socal kids

Zona has ALWAYS needed to recruit well in SoCal because not enough kids/talents just in Tucson and Phoenix. This years roster is a bit of a odd duck in that respect but I also don't recall off top of head where their starters prepped/AAU.

Yes. We are best off if we can lock down the best couple of kids from NorCal every 2-3 year cycle. But Cal also needs to grab 4 stars from the southland and given the population there are usually 4 of 5 of them each year.

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Good coaches can recruit anywhere. For example, Tony Bennett was a completely Midwestern guy. He went to Washington State and recruited Klay Thompson from Southern California. Thompson became a lottery pick, and Bennett got Washington State the most wins in a season in school history. Then he switched to the East Coast and recruited well enough to win a national championship. Top recruits want to play for winners, particularly coaches they think can get them to the NBA. Cal has been terrible for five years in a row with no new energy, so no surprise recruits do not want to come here.

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That isn't true. Kids generally stay generally local. Part of it is that they want to allow their family to see them. Even DUKE or Kenutcky LARGELY recruit within a 300 mile radius. We can always find the exception - but even Tony Bennet had a LOT of kids from the PNW/Northern Inner Basin.

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