CalLifer said:

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oskidunker said:

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HoopDreams said:

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4thGenCal said:

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socaltownie said:

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PtownBear1 said:

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Fox didn't change any staff members after the abysmal 2020 season and 2 years of practically nonexistent recruiting, so I don't see why he would bother now after more of the same, especially when his employer doesn't care.

I bet Fox is thinking to himself what the hell does it take to get terminated at this school? I don't recruit, I don't engage at all with the fan base, our record is horrible - for ****s sake let me set off into the sunset with the remaining few mill I'm owed and end this failed experiment.

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One thing that I have been wondering about (maybe 4th generation would chime in) is that Fox just is sorta lazy. I don't mean abnormally lazy but compared to his ultra driven competitors in the profession. He CLEARLY is a private person in a profession that actually requires extroverts (because, in the end, he is involved in an entertainment product). Maybe it is to make some announcements and not get overshadowed by the tournament. But I am appalled with the lack of news out of the program.

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My limited experience with him is that he puts in a lot of hours (have received a few text responses 6am and 10pm range) not that it is effective hours - but he is highly competitive, driven as most coaches are (married to a former AD woman and they are a strong supporting team of each other). He is highly stubborn/loyal to his staff and rarely is open about his program - definitely a bit of paranoia, maybe justified from past experience, or just a safe approach. He is not a natural outgoing "people person" in my opinion. However to those who wonder if he is putting in neccessary in person recruiting trips etc - He certainly does and is out on the AAU circuit when its necessary. Gonna be interesting if he keeps his current staff in place (I gotta think Wilson goes?), Kelly is 90% out the door (10% just because he is waiting to have fully vetted where he could play etc) fortunately JB is staying, but its really bleak for next season. The staff is banking on big strides from the 3 freshman (next year's sophomores), and the power forward coming in, though raw. They have to pick up a solid shooter and hope a lower player transfers (not likely currently). He does not naturally reach out to local influential coaches/agents who could put in positive words for young local/future recruits - thus obvious networking is not a focus of his (ie Prolithic Prep/Oakland Soldiers director/coaches/Calvin Andrews types of relationship building).

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Thanks for the post. It's tiring how some posters continue to pound on every possible angle to make the case that Fox should be fired. You don't need an F grade in every class to flunk out of school.

As for next year's team, it's great news that Brown is staying at Cal, and that the rest of our starters are likely to stay too. Celestine, 2K and Lars are key players. Sam provides some upside.

But we need at least 3 things to avoid sliding backwards:

1. shooting
2. quality big
3. PG

So it's critical that we find one player that can be two of these things. But even then, we will have a big hole in the third thing.

AND this assumes that one of the current freshmen has a breakout year AND one of the freshmen is an instant impact player

If all of those good things happen, and no bad things happen (e.g. injury) then we might be about as good as this season

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Thank you for the post. The constant multiple fire fox threads are tiresome. Not much we can do except dont read them.

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Since I'm probably one of the people HoopDreams is referring to, I'm sorry that the handful of posts from the remaining 5-10 hardcore fans that want better for the program is so tiresome. I only wish that Fox's track record over 10+ years at a P5 program and his actual record at Cal were as tiresome.

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Seriously. Is there literally anything else to discuss around Cal basketball? There is zero fan engagement or buzz, no evidence of recruiting, no staff changes, nothing. I'd love to hear what insightful commentary we're missing out on by posting about firing Fox instead.

Cal men's basketball is dead. There is really no point in discussing it at all. It is basically a really expensive scholarship fund for 13 young men.

CalLifer said:

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oskidunker said:

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HoopDreams said:

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4thGenCal said:

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socaltownie said:

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PtownBear1 said:

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Fox didn't change any staff members after the abysmal 2020 season and 2 years of practically nonexistent recruiting, so I don't see why he would bother now after more of the same, especially when his employer doesn't care.

I bet Fox is thinking to himself what the hell does it take to get terminated at this school? I don't recruit, I don't engage at all with the fan base, our record is horrible - for ****s sake let me set off into the sunset with the remaining few mill I'm owed and end this failed experiment.

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One thing that I have been wondering about (maybe 4th generation would chime in) is that Fox just is sorta lazy. I don't mean abnormally lazy but compared to his ultra driven competitors in the profession. He CLEARLY is a private person in a profession that actually requires extroverts (because, in the end, he is involved in an entertainment product). Maybe it is to make some announcements and not get overshadowed by the tournament. But I am appalled with the lack of news out of the program.

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My limited experience with him is that he puts in a lot of hours (have received a few text responses 6am and 10pm range) not that it is effective hours - but he is highly competitive, driven as most coaches are (married to a former AD woman and they are a strong supporting team of each other). He is highly stubborn/loyal to his staff and rarely is open about his program - definitely a bit of paranoia, maybe justified from past experience, or just a safe approach. He is not a natural outgoing "people person" in my opinion. However to those who wonder if he is putting in neccessary in person recruiting trips etc - He certainly does and is out on the AAU circuit when its necessary. Gonna be interesting if he keeps his current staff in place (I gotta think Wilson goes?), Kelly is 90% out the door (10% just because he is waiting to have fully vetted where he could play etc) fortunately JB is staying, but its really bleak for next season. The staff is banking on big strides from the 3 freshman (next year's sophomores), and the power forward coming in, though raw. They have to pick up a solid shooter and hope a lower player transfers (not likely currently). He does not naturally reach out to local influential coaches/agents who could put in positive words for young local/future recruits - thus obvious networking is not a focus of his (ie Prolithic Prep/Oakland Soldiers director/coaches/Calvin Andrews types of relationship building).

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Thanks for the post. It's tiring how some posters continue to pound on every possible angle to make the case that Fox should be fired. You don't need an F grade in every class to flunk out of school.

As for next year's team, it's great news that Brown is staying at Cal, and that the rest of our starters are likely to stay too. Celestine, 2K and Lars are key players. Sam provides some upside.

But we need at least 3 things to avoid sliding backwards:

1. shooting
2. quality big
3. PG

So it's critical that we find one player that can be two of these things. But even then, we will have a big hole in the third thing.

AND this assumes that one of the current freshmen has a breakout year AND one of the freshmen is an instant impact player

If all of those good things happen, and no bad things happen (e.g. injury) then we might be about as good as this season

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Thank you for the post. The constant multiple fire fox threads are tiresome. Not much we can do except dont read them.

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Since I'm probably one of the people HoopDreams is referring to, I'm sorry that the handful of posts from the remaining 5-10 hardcore fans that want better for the program is so tiresome. I only wish that Fox's track record over 10+ years at a P5 program and his actual record at Cal were as tiresome.

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It'd be great to talk about something else, except Fox provides nothing else for us to talk about. Nothing about recruiting, fan engagement, staff shuffling, changes in style of play, player development....nothing. In the absence of Fox providing us things to talk about, the few of us left that care are going to talk about what we want to see happen.

Fox is garbage. He puts effort on the AAU circuit when necessary? Yeesh, maybe his definition of necessary is different than mine but given the tremendous lack of talent on this team - seems like he needs to be putting way more effort.

The only thing he has going for him is his predecessor was the worst coach in our history. But dont be mistaken - Fox is the second worst and pretty damn close to Wyking IMO.

Next year is possibly going to be the worst year of college bball for us. If Fox isnt fired by this time next year, then Knowlton is the worst AD we've ever had.

CalLifer said:

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oskidunker said:

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HoopDreams said:

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4thGenCal said:

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socaltownie said:

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PtownBear1 said:

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Fox didn't change any staff members after the abysmal 2020 season and 2 years of practically nonexistent recruiting, so I don't see why he would bother now after more of the same, especially when his employer doesn't care.

I bet Fox is thinking to himself what the hell does it take to get terminated at this school? I don't recruit, I don't engage at all with the fan base, our record is horrible - for ****s sake let me set off into the sunset with the remaining few mill I'm owed and end this failed experiment.

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One thing that I have been wondering about (maybe 4th generation would chime in) is that Fox just is sorta lazy. I don't mean abnormally lazy but compared to his ultra driven competitors in the profession. He CLEARLY is a private person in a profession that actually requires extroverts (because, in the end, he is involved in an entertainment product). Maybe it is to make some announcements and not get overshadowed by the tournament. But I am appalled with the lack of news out of the program.

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My limited experience with him is that he puts in a lot of hours (have received a few text responses 6am and 10pm range) not that it is effective hours - but he is highly competitive, driven as most coaches are (married to a former AD woman and they are a strong supporting team of each other). He is highly stubborn/loyal to his staff and rarely is open about his program - definitely a bit of paranoia, maybe justified from past experience, or just a safe approach. He is not a natural outgoing "people person" in my opinion. However to those who wonder if he is putting in neccessary in person recruiting trips etc - He certainly does and is out on the AAU circuit when its necessary. Gonna be interesting if he keeps his current staff in place (I gotta think Wilson goes?), Kelly is 90% out the door (10% just because he is waiting to have fully vetted where he could play etc) fortunately JB is staying, but its really bleak for next season. The staff is banking on big strides from the 3 freshman (next year's sophomores), and the power forward coming in, though raw. They have to pick up a solid shooter and hope a lower player transfers (not likely currently). He does not naturally reach out to local influential coaches/agents who could put in positive words for young local/future recruits - thus obvious networking is not a focus of his (ie Prolithic Prep/Oakland Soldiers director/coaches/Calvin Andrews types of relationship building).

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Thanks for the post. It's tiring how some posters continue to pound on every possible angle to make the case that Fox should be fired. You don't need an F grade in every class to flunk out of school.

As for next year's team, it's great news that Brown is staying at Cal, and that the rest of our starters are likely to stay too. Celestine, 2K and Lars are key players. Sam provides some upside.

But we need at least 3 things to avoid sliding backwards:

1. shooting
2. quality big
3. PG

So it's critical that we find one player that can be two of these things. But even then, we will have a big hole in the third thing.

AND this assumes that one of the current freshmen has a breakout year AND one of the freshmen is an instant impact player

If all of those good things happen, and no bad things happen (e.g. injury) then we might be about as good as this season

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Thank you for the post. The constant multiple fire fox threads are tiresome. Not much we can do except dont read them.

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Since I'm probably one of the people HoopDreams is referring to, I'm sorry that the handful of posts from the remaining 5-10 hardcore fans that want better for the program is so tiresome. I only wish that Fox's track record over 10+ years at a P5 program and his actual record at Cal were as tiresome.

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I have no issue with people wanting better for the program (I do too), and expressing their opinions about Fox and why they think he should be fired.

However some of the reasons are people just making stuff up and accusing him of not doing this or doing that. There are plenty of objective or observable reasons for people to make their conclusions without just throwing stuff out with no basis.

What I find tiresome is that every thread regardless of topic turns into a fire coach debate, and some people seem to try very hard to identify reason #124 to do it.

CalLifer said:

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oskidunker said:

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HoopDreams said:

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4thGenCal said:

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socaltownie said:

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PtownBear1 said:

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Fox didn't change any staff members after the abysmal 2020 season and 2 years of practically nonexistent recruiting, so I don't see why he would bother now after more of the same, especially when his employer doesn't care.

I bet Fox is thinking to himself what the hell does it take to get terminated at this school? I don't recruit, I don't engage at all with the fan base, our record is horrible - for ****s sake let me set off into the sunset with the remaining few mill I'm owed and end this failed experiment.

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One thing that I have been wondering about (maybe 4th generation would chime in) is that Fox just is sorta lazy. I don't mean abnormally lazy but compared to his ultra driven competitors in the profession. He CLEARLY is a private person in a profession that actually requires extroverts (because, in the end, he is involved in an entertainment product). Maybe it is to make some announcements and not get overshadowed by the tournament. But I am appalled with the lack of news out of the program.

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My limited experience with him is that he puts in a lot of hours (have received a few text responses 6am and 10pm range) not that it is effective hours - but he is highly competitive, driven as most coaches are (married to a former AD woman and they are a strong supporting team of each other). He is highly stubborn/loyal to his staff and rarely is open about his program - definitely a bit of paranoia, maybe justified from past experience, or just a safe approach. He is not a natural outgoing "people person" in my opinion. However to those who wonder if he is putting in neccessary in person recruiting trips etc - He certainly does and is out on the AAU circuit when its necessary. Gonna be interesting if he keeps his current staff in place (I gotta think Wilson goes?), Kelly is 90% out the door (10% just because he is waiting to have fully vetted where he could play etc) fortunately JB is staying, but its really bleak for next season. The staff is banking on big strides from the 3 freshman (next year's sophomores), and the power forward coming in, though raw. They have to pick up a solid shooter and hope a lower player transfers (not likely currently). He does not naturally reach out to local influential coaches/agents who could put in positive words for young local/future recruits - thus obvious networking is not a focus of his (ie Prolithic Prep/Oakland Soldiers director/coaches/Calvin Andrews types of relationship building).

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Thanks for the post. It's tiring how some posters continue to pound on every possible angle to make the case that Fox should be fired. You don't need an F grade in every class to flunk out of school.

As for next year's team, it's great news that Brown is staying at Cal, and that the rest of our starters are likely to stay too. Celestine, 2K and Lars are key players. Sam provides some upside.

But we need at least 3 things to avoid sliding backwards:

1. shooting
2. quality big
3. PG

So it's critical that we find one player that can be two of these things. But even then, we will have a big hole in the third thing.

AND this assumes that one of the current freshmen has a breakout year AND one of the freshmen is an instant impact player

If all of those good things happen, and no bad things happen (e.g. injury) then we might be about as good as this season

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Thank you for the post. The constant multiple fire fox threads are tiresome. Not much we can do except dont read them.

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Since I'm probably one of the people HoopDreams is referring to, I'm sorry that the handful of posts from the remaining 5-10 hardcore fans that want better for the program is so tiresome. I only wish that Fox's track record over 10+ years at a P5 program and his actual record at Cal were as tiresome.

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I absolutely welcome the discussion, personally, but I think what gets a little tiresome is the stuff like "lazy" and the constant criticism-that-borders-on-insult.

If we didn't know before (even though we pretty much did), we pretty much have a solid profile now on Fox:

+ decent coach
+ decent guy
+ high ethics

- the recruiting just isn't happening and barring some unlikely 180, isn't going to happen
- works hard, sure, but doesn't seem to be "absolutely driven" to lead Cal Basketball to success
- not interested in "face of the franchise" responsibilities, i.e. promoting the program
- unlikely to get rid of an assistant he's known for a long time, in hopes of possibly getting a guy who can recruit

Maybe he can still turn things around, but it doesn't seem likely. The AD will make a move when he's good and ready and has the $$$ support. There is legitimate concern about the AD being able to find and attract the right replacement.

Doldrums.

I'm not sure what's better: (1) Fans that care and ***** and moan about how things are or (2) fans that have lost all interest and no longer have interest in talking about the program?

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I'm not sure what's better: (1) Fans that care and ***** and moan about how things are or (2) fans that have lost all interest and no longer have interest in talking about the program?

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It is the tail end of the NCAA Tournament and the middle of the coach hiring season. It is what all fans of losing teams are talking about on every message board of teams that still have fans that care.

Some of us were hoping for an up and coming Cal alum like Dennis Gates. 3 years ago we were told he didn't have enough experience. Now we are told he is too good for us. Same was true of Kyle Smith and now Todd Golden. However, it is not too late to bring in a solid coach like Travis DeCuire.

So yes, many of us are upset about the state of Cal basketball and this is the place to come to commiserate with our fellow Cal fans and vent. If there is no complaining, do you think Knowlton would get rid of Fox? He was ready to keep Wyking until all the fan pushback. The incessant calls to fire Jones actually worked.

I get that some people want to silence dissent. They are happy enough with Fox, or identify with him or Knowlton and feel sorry for him or whatever, or are just resigned to our being terrible for the foreseeable future. At least one defended Wyking too, he just defends coaches, fine. Others had no problem with everyone railing against Jones, but criticize the criticism of Fox.

I have been called out repeatedly as one of the main "offenders" and am about ready to check out as many others already have, so the handful of posters who do not like me posting facts that they don't like can have pleasant little discussions about the tremendous job Fox is doing developing players, what a good and honorable man he is, what a great Xs and Os strategist he is, what a great recruiter he would be but for the terrible place Cal is, how he is the only coach who would come here etc.

oskidunker said:

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HoopDreams said:

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CalLifer said:

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oskidunker said:

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HoopDreams said:

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4thGenCal said:

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socaltownie said:

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PtownBear1 said:

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Fox didn't change any staff members after the abysmal 2020 season and 2 years of practically nonexistent recruiting, so I don't see why he would bother now after more of the same, especially when his employer doesn't care.

I bet Fox is thinking to himself what the hell does it take to get terminated at this school? I don't recruit, I don't engage at all with the fan base, our record is horrible - for ****s sake let me set off into the sunset with the remaining few mill I'm owed and end this failed experiment.

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One thing that I have been wondering about (maybe 4th generation would chime in) is that Fox just is sorta lazy. I don't mean abnormally lazy but compared to his ultra driven competitors in the profession. He CLEARLY is a private person in a profession that actually requires extroverts (because, in the end, he is involved in an entertainment product). Maybe it is to make some announcements and not get overshadowed by the tournament. But I am appalled with the lack of news out of the program.

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My limited experience with him is that he puts in a lot of hours (have received a few text responses 6am and 10pm range) not that it is effective hours - but he is highly competitive, driven as most coaches are (married to a former AD woman and they are a strong supporting team of each other). He is highly stubborn/loyal to his staff and rarely is open about his program - definitely a bit of paranoia, maybe justified from past experience, or just a safe approach. He is not a natural outgoing "people person" in my opinion. However to those who wonder if he is putting in neccessary in person recruiting trips etc - He certainly does and is out on the AAU circuit when its necessary. Gonna be interesting if he keeps his current staff in place (I gotta think Wilson goes?), Kelly is 90% out the door (10% just because he is waiting to have fully vetted where he could play etc) fortunately JB is staying, but its really bleak for next season. The staff is banking on big strides from the 3 freshman (next year's sophomores), and the power forward coming in, though raw. They have to pick up a solid shooter and hope a lower player transfers (not likely currently). He does not naturally reach out to local influential coaches/agents who could put in positive words for young local/future recruits - thus obvious networking is not a focus of his (ie Prolithic Prep/Oakland Soldiers director/coaches/Calvin Andrews types of relationship building).

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Thanks for the post. It's tiring how some posters continue to pound on every possible angle to make the case that Fox should be fired. You don't need an F grade in every class to flunk out of school.

As for next year's team, it's great news that Brown is staying at Cal, and that the rest of our starters are likely to stay too. Celestine, 2K and Lars are key players. Sam provides some upside.

But we need at least 3 things to avoid sliding backwards:

1. shooting
2. quality big
3. PG

So it's critical that we find one player that can be two of these things. But even then, we will have a big hole in the third thing.

AND this assumes that one of the current freshmen has a breakout year AND one of the freshmen is an instant impact player

If all of those good things happen, and no bad things happen (e.g. injury) then we might be about as good as this season

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Thank you for the post. The constant multiple fire fox threads are tiresome. Not much we can do except dont read them.

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Since I'm probably one of the people HoopDreams is referring to, I'm sorry that the handful of posts from the remaining 5-10 hardcore fans that want better for the program is so tiresome. I only wish that Fox's track record over 10+ years at a P5 program and his actual record at Cal were as tiresome.

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I have no issue with people wanting better for the program (I do too), and expressing their opinions about Fox and why they think he should be fired.

However some of the reasons are people just making stuff up and accusing him of not doing this or doing that. There are plenty of objective or observable reasons for people to make their conclusions without just throwing stuff out with no basis.

What I find tiresome is that every thread regardless of topic turns into a fire coach debate, and some people seem to try very hard to identify reason #124 to do it.

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Get a . Life. Basketball season is over. Agree with you. Very troubling. Sayi it Ok. Over and over again like it will magically change is nuts.I hate to even start a thread or ask a question because I will get a smart assed answer totally unrelated. more troubling is the moderators could care less how much the program is disparaged. Maybe they are also filled with anger.

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Dont worry about the disparaging the program thing. Fox is doing it all himself.

Sorry we care about the team to want change. Didnt realize finishing 10th in the P12 is something we should be content with. Honestly seems like you want us to stop caring about Mens Bball. Funny you would want that when there is literally so few of us still following this program. But hey if you want to kill cal basketball, then sure.

Annoyed with the negativity? Then ****ing demand wins from this coach instead of attacking posters for being negative.

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philbert said:

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I'm not sure what's better: (1) Fans that care and ***** and moan about how things are or (2) fans that have lost all interest and no longer have interest in talking about the program?

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It is the tail end of the NCAA Tournament and the middle of the coach hiring season. It is what all fans of losing teams are talking about on every message board of teams that still have fans that care.

Some of us were hoping for an up and coming Cal alum like Dennis Gates. 3 years ago we were told he didn't have enough experience. Now we are told he is too good for us. Same was true of Kyle Smith and now Todd Golden. However, it is not too late to bring in a solid coach like Travis DeCuire.

So yes, many of us are upset about the state of Cal basketball and this is the place to come to commiserate with our fellow Cal fans and vent. If there is no complaining, do you think Knowlton would get rid of Fox? He was ready to keep Wyking until all the fan pushback. The incessant calls to fire Jones actually worked.

I get that some people want to silence dissent. They are happy enough with Fox, or identify with him or Knowlton and feel sorry for him or whatever, or are just resigned to our being terrible for the foreseeable future. At least one defended Wyking too, he just defends coaches, fine. Others had no problem with everyone railing against Jones, but criticize the criticism of Fox.

I have been called out repeatedly as one of the main "offenders" and am about ready to check out as many others already have, so the handful of posters who do not like me posting facts that they don't like can have pleasant little discussions about the tremendous job Fox is doing developing players, what a good and honorable man he is, what a great Xs and Os strategist he is, what a great recruiter he would be but for the terrible place Cal is, how he is the only coach who would come here etc.

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It's going to be a pretty barren board when all of the Fox complainers are gone. Kinda like Haas Pavilion.

Edit: I should add that many of us are venting because we are hoping against hope that Knowlton has a realization (much like he did with Wyking) that Fox must go.

HoopDreams said:

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CalLifer said:

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oskidunker said:

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HoopDreams said:

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4thGenCal said:

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socaltownie said:

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PtownBear1 said:

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Fox didn't change any staff members after the abysmal 2020 season and 2 years of practically nonexistent recruiting, so I don't see why he would bother now after more of the same, especially when his employer doesn't care.

I bet Fox is thinking to himself what the hell does it take to get terminated at this school? I don't recruit, I don't engage at all with the fan base, our record is horrible - for ****s sake let me set off into the sunset with the remaining few mill I'm owed and end this failed experiment.

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One thing that I have been wondering about (maybe 4th generation would chime in) is that Fox just is sorta lazy. I don't mean abnormally lazy but compared to his ultra driven competitors in the profession. He CLEARLY is a private person in a profession that actually requires extroverts (because, in the end, he is involved in an entertainment product). Maybe it is to make some announcements and not get overshadowed by the tournament. But I am appalled with the lack of news out of the program.

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My limited experience with him is that he puts in a lot of hours (have received a few text responses 6am and 10pm range) not that it is effective hours - but he is highly competitive, driven as most coaches are (married to a former AD woman and they are a strong supporting team of each other). He is highly stubborn/loyal to his staff and rarely is open about his program - definitely a bit of paranoia, maybe justified from past experience, or just a safe approach. He is not a natural outgoing "people person" in my opinion. However to those who wonder if he is putting in neccessary in person recruiting trips etc - He certainly does and is out on the AAU circuit when its necessary. Gonna be interesting if he keeps his current staff in place (I gotta think Wilson goes?), Kelly is 90% out the door (10% just because he is waiting to have fully vetted where he could play etc) fortunately JB is staying, but its really bleak for next season. The staff is banking on big strides from the 3 freshman (next year's sophomores), and the power forward coming in, though raw. They have to pick up a solid shooter and hope a lower player transfers (not likely currently). He does not naturally reach out to local influential coaches/agents who could put in positive words for young local/future recruits - thus obvious networking is not a focus of his (ie Prolithic Prep/Oakland Soldiers director/coaches/Calvin Andrews types of relationship building).

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Thanks for the post. It's tiring how some posters continue to pound on every possible angle to make the case that Fox should be fired. You don't need an F grade in every class to flunk out of school.

As for next year's team, it's great news that Brown is staying at Cal, and that the rest of our starters are likely to stay too. Celestine, 2K and Lars are key players. Sam provides some upside.

But we need at least 3 things to avoid sliding backwards:

1. shooting
2. quality big
3. PG

So it's critical that we find one player that can be two of these things. But even then, we will have a big hole in the third thing.

AND this assumes that one of the current freshmen has a breakout year AND one of the freshmen is an instant impact player

If all of those good things happen, and no bad things happen (e.g. injury) then we might be about as good as this season

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Thank you for the post. The constant multiple fire fox threads are tiresome. Not much we can do except dont read them.

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Since I'm probably one of the people HoopDreams is referring to, I'm sorry that the handful of posts from the remaining 5-10 hardcore fans that want better for the program is so tiresome. I only wish that Fox's track record over 10+ years at a P5 program and his actual record at Cal were as tiresome.

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I have no issue with people wanting better for the program (I do too), and expressing their opinions about Fox and why

What I find tiresome is that every thread regardless of topic turns into a fire coach debate, and some people seem to try very hard to identify reason #124 to do it.

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That's the point. He should be fired. Every other discussion is pointless until that happens.