well, I can guarantee you one thing, if furd signed Askew, CAL fans would be wondering why Fox cant sign players like that.sluggo said:Most people thought Shepherd would start, and he had previous years of 12 and 14 points scoring averages. And on video he had some offensive skills. So people thought he would be a Bradley replacement, but a downgrade, and that is what he was. Shepherd was maybe better than advertised, but he was inefficient shooting 39% overall and 29% from 3. He took a lot of shots because someone had to.graguna said:who here thought Shepherd would have Shepherd-like impact when CAL signed him? anyone? I'm interested to see who develops and breaks out next season. I'm sure a few players will.Civil Bear said:Fair enough. It's just that all those passes and made shots in the video were likely all there were. I bet Joel Brown could have an even more impressive highlight real.stu said:
In 2 seasons at Oklahoma Shepherd averaged 2.3 and 4.3 points, 1.2 and 1.5 assists.
I'm actually happy to have him aboard, and his HS ratings and recruit list suggest he has lots of potential, but I don't expect he will come in and have close to a Shepherd-like impact next season.
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Whatever,
CAL > Texas
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We agree on that. There has been so much hand wringing over transfers that are not very good. Like when Wyoming got three mediocre Pac12 transfers.graguna said:well, I can guarantee you one thing, if furd signed Askew, CAL fans would be wondering why Fox cant sign players like that.sluggo said:Most people thought Shepherd would start, and he had previous years of 12 and 14 points scoring averages. And on video he had some offensive skills. So people thought he would be a Bradley replacement, but a downgrade, and that is what he was. Shepherd was maybe better than advertised, but he was inefficient shooting 39% overall and 29% from 3. He took a lot of shots because someone had to.graguna said:who here thought Shepherd would have Shepherd-like impact when CAL signed him? anyone? I'm interested to see who develops and breaks out next season. I'm sure a few players will.Civil Bear said:Fair enough. It's just that all those passes and made shots in the video were likely all there were. I bet Joel Brown could have an even more impressive highlight real.stu said:
In 2 seasons at Oklahoma Shepherd averaged 2.3 and 4.3 points, 1.2 and 1.5 assists.
I'm actually happy to have him aboard, and his HS ratings and recruit list suggest he has lots of potential, but I don't expect he will come in and have close to a Shepherd-like impact next season.
I do think it is fair to question Fox's recruiting when it will almost certainly lead to a double digit finish next year, whether Askew gets a waiver or not.
Absolutely. One player we haven't seen yet doesn't make up for the ten players we have seen.sluggo said:
I do think it is fair to question Fox's recruiting when it will almost certainly lead to a double digit finish next year, whether Askew gets a waiver or not.
Shepherd was a very good player for Cal. His inefficient stats was due to the number of end of clock shots he had to take
But although Shepherd had better stats at his previous stop, it was against lesser competition, and multiple coaches apparently have seen high upside from Askew
But although Shepherd had better stats at his previous stop, it was against lesser competition, and multiple coaches apparently have seen high upside from Askew
sluggo said:Most people thought Shepherd would start, and he had previous years of 12 and 14 points scoring averages. And on video he had some offensive skills. So people thought he would be a Bradley replacement, but a downgrade, and that is what he was. Shepherd was maybe better than advertised, but he was inefficient shooting 39% overall and 29% from 3. He took a lot of shots because someone had to.graguna said:who here thought Shepherd would have Shepherd-like impact when CAL signed him? anyone? I'm interested to see who develops and breaks out next season. I'm sure a few players will.Civil Bear said:Fair enough. It's just that all those passes and made shots in the video were likely all there were. I bet Joel Brown could have an even more impressive highlight real.stu said:
In 2 seasons at Oklahoma Shepherd averaged 2.3 and 4.3 points, 1.2 and 1.5 assists.
I'm actually happy to have him aboard, and his HS ratings and recruit list suggest he has lots of potential, but I don't expect he will come in and have close to a Shepherd-like impact next season.
Shepherd was inefficient elsewhere, too. I think he is an inconsistent shooter. He had some great games that led directly to wins, and he was very much needed. He was the best transfer in some time.HoopDreams said:
Shepherd was a very good player for Cal. His inefficient stats was due to the number of end of clock shots he had to take
But although Shepherd had better stats at his previous stop, it was against lesser competition, and multiple coaches apparently have seen high upside from Askew
With stats and ample video, internet yahoos like me can form their own opinions. Because Askew is not quick I do not think he has high upside. He does have real point guard skills, and his 80% free throw shooting as a freshman and good shooting form imply he might have some shooting potential. But he does not fill Cal's mega earthquake-sized scoring hole. That is what I think and I don't care much what others thought of him when he came out of high school.
This is an interesting turn. Will the team place better? I doubt it unless Fox brings in some sort of amazing stud with the second open scholarship.
Maybe Askew is close friends with a really good player in the portal...stu said:Absolutely. One player we haven't seen yet doesn't make up for the ten players we have seen.sluggo said:
I do think it is fair to question Fox's recruiting when it will almost certainly lead to a double digit finish next year, whether Askew gets a waiver or not.
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We need a spot up shooter from beyond the arc -- a Jordan Mathews type of player. And that is assuming a Devin Askew can create shots for himself and others.
Shooters are usually easy to find. A good pg harder.
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If someone can get him the ball Alakiki can hit the three. So can Celestine and he needs less help.Big C said:
We need a spot up shooter from beyond the arc -- a Jordan Mathews type of player. And that is assuming a Devin Askew can create shots for himself and others.
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Alajiki went into a slump late in the season.stu said:If someone can get him the ball Alakiki can hit the three. So can Celestine and he needs less help.Big C said:
We need a spot up shooter from beyond the arc -- a Jordan Mathews type of player. And that is assuming a Devin Askew can create shots for himself and others.
Go Bears!
I didn't say that Askew will be or can be a pure scorer for us. At PG, our need is a player who can shoot and score, distribute and defend. That's a need for this year, and in particular next year. It would be good if he can also create his own shot/score at the end of the shot clock like Paris did in his senior year.sluggo said:Shepherd was inefficient elsewhere, too. I think he is an inconsistent shooter. He had some great games that led directly to wins, and he was very much needed. He was the best transfer in some time.HoopDreams said:
Shepherd was a very good player for Cal. His inefficient stats was due to the number of end of clock shots he had to take
But although Shepherd had better stats at his previous stop, it was against lesser competition, and multiple coaches apparently have seen high upside from Askew
With stats and ample video, internet yahoos like me can form their own opinions. Because Askew is not quick I do not think he has high upside. He does have real point guard skills, and his 80% free throw shooting as a freshman and good shooting form imply he might have some shooting potential. But he does not fill Cal's mega earthquake-sized scoring hole. That is what I think and I don't care much what others thought of him when he came out of high school.
My point is Askew can be a major missing piece for our team, not the only needed piece.
A case could be made that the whole team went into a slump late in the season (after the Oregon road trip).oskidunker said:
Alajiki went into a slump late in the season.
Looks like he left Texas for playing time:
"Texas has two point guards arriving in the fall as part of its three-person 2023 recruiting class in five-star Arterio Morris and four-star Rowan Brumbaugh. Five-star small forward Dillon Mitchell is also a part of that 2023 recruiting class, which currently ranks No. 12 nationally"
two 5 stars and a 4 star and only ranked 12th?dimitrig said:
Looks like he left Texas for playing time:
"Texas has two point guards arriving in the fall as part of its three-person 2023 recruiting class in five-star Arterio Morris and four-star Rowan Brumbaugh. Five-star small forward Dillon Mitchell is also a part of that 2023 recruiting class, which currently ranks No. 12 nationally"
graguna said:two 5 stars and a 4 star and only ranked 12th?dimitrig said:
Looks like he left Texas for playing time:
"Texas has two point guards arriving in the fall as part of its three-person 2023 recruiting class in five-star Arterio Morris and four-star Rowan Brumbaugh. Five-star small forward Dillon Mitchell is also a part of that 2023 recruiting class, which currently ranks No. 12 nationally"
The article said #12 but they are #6 now:
Overall Team Rankings
Cal is #94
Good for 10th in the Pac-12, ahead of #105 WSU and #107 Arizona. Doesn't seem to include Askew.dimitrig said:
Cal is #94
I would have thought you guys would be a little more excited to have Devin. This thread is very subdued compared to the local press in Kentucky and Texas when he was signed by those two schools. We are a hard lot to please.
Here are some of the statements from the press in KY and TX when his signing was announced there, to help you get a little stoked. I'm not sure of how talented Okafor is, or the "player to be named later (I hope), but Devin could very well be our best player, and if he is the kind of player I think he is, he can make our other players look better. One thing to remember: Askew skipped his senior year at Mater Dei to start playing for Kentucky early, which means he will be a junior at Cal this season, but starting out as a sophomore in terms of experience. He is still young, and I expect him to develop.
Read and enjoy:
https://www.on3.com/teams/kentucky-wildcats/news/breaking-2021-five-star-guard-devin-askew-commits-to-kentucky/
https://www.si.com/college/texas/mens-basketball/texas-longhorns-point-guard-devin-askew-potential-hidden-gem
https://hookemheadlines.com/2021/04/14/texas-basketball-gets-enormous-transfer-pickup-in-devin-askew/
Here are some of the statements from the press in KY and TX when his signing was announced there, to help you get a little stoked. I'm not sure of how talented Okafor is, or the "player to be named later (I hope), but Devin could very well be our best player, and if he is the kind of player I think he is, he can make our other players look better. One thing to remember: Askew skipped his senior year at Mater Dei to start playing for Kentucky early, which means he will be a junior at Cal this season, but starting out as a sophomore in terms of experience. He is still young, and I expect him to develop.
Read and enjoy:
https://www.on3.com/teams/kentucky-wildcats/news/breaking-2021-five-star-guard-devin-askew-commits-to-kentucky/
https://www.si.com/college/texas/mens-basketball/texas-longhorns-point-guard-devin-askew-potential-hidden-gem
https://hookemheadlines.com/2021/04/14/texas-basketball-gets-enormous-transfer-pickup-in-devin-askew/
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I don't doubt that he's talented, but he may not be able to play next year and as long as Fox is the coach, the program will suck-which is the real issue.
Thanks for posting that! I didn't know Askew had finished high school in 3 years. Wish I had done that.
I'm actually feeling a little better about next season even though I'm not expecting us to get anywhere near the top half of the conference. If everyone is healthy, our younger players show noticeable improvement, and Askew shows us why he was so highly rated we could be watchable.
I'm actually feeling a little better about next season even though I'm not expecting us to get anywhere near the top half of the conference. If everyone is healthy, our younger players show noticeable improvement, and Askew shows us why he was so highly rated we could be watchable.
FIFYparentswerebears said:
I don't doubt that he's talented, but he may not be able to play next year and as long as Fox is not recruiting well the program will suck-which is the real issue.
SFCityBear said:
I would have thought you guys would be a little more excited to have Devin. This thread is very subdued compared to the local press in Kentucky and Texas when he was signed by those two schools. We are a hard lot to please.
Here are some of the statements from the press in KY and TX when his signing was announced there, to help you get a little stoked. I'm not sure of how talented Okafor is, or the "player to be named later (I hope), but Devin could very well be our best player, and if he is the kind of player I think he is, he can make our other players look better. One thing to remember: Askew skipped his senior year at Mater Dei to start playing for Kentucky early, which means he will be a junior at Cal this season, but starting out as a sophomore in terms of experience. He is still young, and I expect him to develop.
Read and enjoy:
https://www.on3.com/teams/kentucky-wildcats/news/breaking-2021-five-star-guard-devin-askew-commits-to-kentucky/
https://www.si.com/college/texas/mens-basketball/texas-longhorns-point-guard-devin-askew-potential-hidden-gem
https://hookemheadlines.com/2021/04/14/texas-basketball-gets-enormous-transfer-pickup-in-devin-askew/
Well, for Kentucky that was before anyone saw him play.
Now Texas has decided to recruit over him also.
So, yeah, there's a lot less excitement now than if he'd been signed straight out of high school.
That said, he's still the best recruit we've had since Bradley and he plays a position this team SORELY needs.
I'm pretty excited! Looks like he can be a real asset for us. I do really hope that Fox doesn't fill the '23 class with a bunch of non-ranked or three-star players though. We are still a couple major pieces away from being competitive. I think I'm more just disappointed that our next coach (assuming that Fox does eventually get fired lol) presumably won't be able to recruit his first class until the class of '24, which is disappointingly far away. I really wish we had moved on from Fox in March.SFCityBear said:
I would have thought you guys would be a little more excited to have Devin. This thread is very subdued compared to the local press in Kentucky and Texas when he was signed by those two schools. We are a hard lot to please.
Here are some of the statements from the press in KY and TX when his signing was announced there, to help you get a little stoked. I'm not sure of how talented Okafor is, or the "player to be named later (I hope), but Devin could very well be our best player, and if he is the kind of player I think he is, he can make our other players look better. One thing to remember: Askew skipped his senior year at Mater Dei to start playing for Kentucky early, which means he will be a junior at Cal this season, but starting out as a sophomore in terms of experience. He is still young, and I expect him to develop.
Read and enjoy:
https://www.on3.com/teams/kentucky-wildcats/news/breaking-2021-five-star-guard-devin-askew-commits-to-kentucky/
https://www.si.com/college/texas/mens-basketball/texas-longhorns-point-guard-devin-askew-potential-hidden-gem
https://hookemheadlines.com/2021/04/14/texas-basketball-gets-enormous-transfer-pickup-in-devin-askew/
eastcoastcal said:I'm pretty excited! Looks like he can be a real asset for us. I do really hope that Fox doesn't fill the '23 class with a bunch of non-ranked or three-star players though. We are still a couple major pieces away from being competitive. I think I'm more just disappointed that our next coach (assuming that Fox does eventually get fired lol) presumably won't be able to recruit his first class until the class of '24, which is disappointingly far away. I really wish we had moved on from Fox in March.SFCityBear said:
I would have thought you guys would be a little more excited to have Devin. This thread is very subdued compared to the local press in Kentucky and Texas when he was signed by those two schools. We are a hard lot to please.
Here are some of the statements from the press in KY and TX when his signing was announced there, to help you get a little stoked. I'm not sure of how talented Okafor is, or the "player to be named later (I hope), but Devin could very well be our best player, and if he is the kind of player I think he is, he can make our other players look better. One thing to remember: Askew skipped his senior year at Mater Dei to start playing for Kentucky early, which means he will be a junior at Cal this season, but starting out as a sophomore in terms of experience. He is still young, and I expect him to develop.
Read and enjoy:
https://www.on3.com/teams/kentucky-wildcats/news/breaking-2021-five-star-guard-devin-askew-commits-to-kentucky/
https://www.si.com/college/texas/mens-basketball/texas-longhorns-point-guard-devin-askew-potential-hidden-gem
https://hookemheadlines.com/2021/04/14/texas-basketball-gets-enormous-transfer-pickup-in-devin-askew/
I wish we moved on too, but Knowlton extended him. Imagine if after he extended him, he then fired him, basically gifting him $1.9 million as a parting gift?
Looking at his stats, he is an upgrade over Joel Brown at PG and a huge upgrade over anyone who would be Brown's backup. While better than his offense, his defense is not as good as Brown's but he at least offers some offense making him better rated as a player overall. The fact that he was once a very highly rated recruit gives hope that he underachieved at Kentucky and Texas and has upside that he might realize at Cal. He is a not a program changer but he fills a gaping hole, and might even beat out and be an upgrade over our current starter. I am happy he is coming to Cal. He falls into the Jamal Boykin and Marcus Lee (and guys like Crawford in football) path of smart California kids who were highly rated out of high school, signed with top schools, but then were recruited over and realized their NBA dreams were unlikely to happen and going to Cal where they can start and get a good degree was their best path forward.
A local player available in the portal I'd like to see come here: Mohammad Gueye 4 star 6'10" PF from Napa. Ranked 104/20. Only 205 lbs though. Seems like would be a decent replacement for Dre, but I'll let the "experts" on here chime in. LoL.
Washington State lost promising young big men Efe Abogidi and Mouhamed Gueye both choosing to enter the transfer portal.
May 2nd Detailed description of Gueye (All- PAC!-12 Freshman Team) situation
WSU men's basketball dealt another big blow as Mouhamed Gueye enters transfer portal | The Seattle Times
Mouhamed Gueye Pos: PF, Height: 6-10, Weight: 205, High School: Prolific Prep, City: Napa, CA, Class: FR, 21-22 STATISTICS: PTS 7.4, REB 5.2, AST 0.5, FG% 49.1, MIN 22
May 2nd Detailed description of Gueye (All- PAC!-12 Freshman Team) situation
WSU men's basketball dealt another big blow as Mouhamed Gueye enters transfer portal | The Seattle Times
Mouhamed Gueye Pos: PF, Height: 6-10, Weight: 205, High School: Prolific Prep, City: Napa, CA, Class: FR, 21-22 STATISTICS: PTS 7.4, REB 5.2, AST 0.5, FG% 49.1, MIN 22
stu said:FIFYparentswerebears said:
I don't doubt that he's talented, but he may not be able to play next year and as long as Fox is not recruiting well the program will suck-which is the real issue.
Didn't need fixed. I want the dude out. He's a dinosaur.
There is no doubt Devin physically is a Pac 12 level player at a key position, and he also is young and maturing having reclassified from the 2021 to 2020 high school class. This is a good pick-up - he was OC player of the year as a junior. Since people, like parents, read this site, I'm not going into specifics, but the present roster has several scholarship players on it, who are not P5 level players. If this guy can replace Brown next season, that is a plus. But there still is no reliable scorer on this team for Devin to pass to presently
Unless Fox finds an inside/bigs scoring to replace Kelly and Ant, this next season is a double digit conference finish. About half the minutes and scoring are gone with Shepard (a better player than some think), Kelly and Ant gone. They need players that can score right now. I'm assuming Fox has one open scholie left to get this right. This should not be news to anyone.
In a more competitive environment, Fox would have been forced to cut bait on certain players, and the portal does have guys who can play at the P5 level.
Unless Fox finds an inside/bigs scoring to replace Kelly and Ant, this next season is a double digit conference finish. About half the minutes and scoring are gone with Shepard (a better player than some think), Kelly and Ant gone. They need players that can score right now. I'm assuming Fox has one open scholie left to get this right. This should not be news to anyone.
In a more competitive environment, Fox would have been forced to cut bait on certain players, and the portal does have guys who can play at the P5 level.
wifeisafurd said:
There is no doubt Devin physically is a Pac 12 level player at a key position, and he also is young and maturing having reclassified from the 2021 to 2020 high school class. This is a good pick-up - he was OC player of the year as a junior. Since people, like parents, read this site, I'm not going into specifics, but the present roster has several scholarship players on it, who are not P5 level players. If this guy can replace Brown next season, that is a plus. But there still is no reliable scorer on this team for Devin to pass to presently
Unless Fox finds an inside/bigs scoring to replace Brown and Ant, this next season is a double digit conference finish. About half the minutes and scoring are gone with Shepard (a better player than some think), Brown and Ant gone. They need players that can score right now. I'm assuming Fox has one open scholie left to get this right. This should not be news to anyone.
In a more competitive environment, Fox would have been forced to cut bait on certain players, and the portal does have guys who can play at the P5 level.
Brown is gone?
No, I think he means Kelly.Civil Bear said:wifeisafurd said:
There is no doubt Devin physically is a Pac 12 level player at a key position, and he also is young and maturing having reclassified from the 2021 to 2020 high school class. This is a good pick-up - he was OC player of the year as a junior. Since people, like parents, read this site, I'm not going into specifics, but the present roster has several scholarship players on it, who are not P5 level players. If this guy can replace Brown next season, that is a plus. But there still is no reliable scorer on this team for Devin to pass to presently
Unless Fox finds an inside/bigs scoring to replace Brown and Ant, this next season is a double digit conference finish. About half the minutes and scoring are gone with Shepard (a better player than some think), Brown and Ant gone. They need players that can score right now. I'm assuming Fox has one open scholie left to get this right. This should not be news to anyone.
In a more competitive environment, Fox would have been forced to cut bait on certain players, and the portal does have guys who can play at the P5 level.
Brown is gone?
I also want him out. My reason is recruiting, which is related to being a dinosaur. But I'll give him credit for doing better than expected in his first year with players recruited by others.parentswerebears said:stu said:FIFYparentswerebears said:
I don't doubt that he's talented, but he may not be able to play next year and as long as Fox is not recruiting well the program will suck-which is the real issue.
Didn't need fixed. I want the dude out. He's a dinosaur.
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