Monty Bowser potential?

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HoopDreams
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Monty Bowser hasn't been talked about much on this board, as he was injured all last season, and half way through his freshmen year

In his brief time on the court, he showed some explosiveness and defensive length. He looked confident in his 3 pointer, but was 0-5. When you have so few minutes and opportunities, and you're a freshmen role player, I don't think his shooting results are a good indicator of his shooting ability.

If he's been healthy enough to workout, practice his shooting, handle, and gain some strength, he could be a significant player off the bench. Hopefully he can be a shooter and defender, and even a rebounder off the bench



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HoopDreams said:

Monty Bowser hasn't been talked about much on this board, as he was injured all last season, and half way through his freshmen year

In his brief time on the court, he showed some explosiveness and defensive length. He looked confident in his 3 pointer, but was 0-5. When you have so few minutes and opportunities, and you're a freshmen role player, I don't think his shooting results are a good indicator of his shooting ability.

If he's been healthy enough to workout, practice his shooting, handle, and gain some strength, he could be a significant player off the bench. Hopefully he can be a shooter and defender, and even a rebounder off the bench






Yeah, easy to forget about him, on a couple posts I had to add him as almost an afterthought. Definitely a wild card.
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Very unusual shot. Did not look good
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BC Calfan
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Is he JHD 2.0? Or can he be more.

I think best hope for next season is that he comes a defensive specialist. At 6'7 he has the length and athleticism to do it. I don't think anyone's expecting much offense, letalone 3 pt shooting, but if he can just cut, set screens, limit turnovers and finish reliably that would be nice.
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BC Calfan said:

Is he JHD 2.0? Or can he be more.

I think best hope for next season is that he comes a defensive specialist. At 6'7 he has the length and athleticism to do it. I don't think anyone's expecting much offense, letalone 3 pt shooting, but if he can just cut, set screens, limit turnovers and finish reliably that would be nice.
We have a whole team of guys fitting your quote:
"I don't think anyone's expecting much offense."
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0-5 on three pointers could happen to anyone. But if you remember watching him play those shots were missing by like three feet. He has had many, many hours to practice, and he could have improved significantly. I do hope the next coach, whatever year that is, recruits players who come in with the ability to shoot.

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oskidunker said:

Very unusual shot. Did not look good
247 Sports National Recruiting Analyst, Josh Gerson, disagrees with you. Here is his take on Bowser from March 2020:

"Late-blooming forward who has made consistent progress throughout high school career. Good size, pretty long arms and plus athlete. Still pretty physically immature and frame will hold plenty of strength. Has really improved athletically as he has gotten stronger. Smooth stroke with range to perimeter. Adding to ball skills should help his production. Has upside as defender due to physical tools. Projects as high major starter if significant trajectory is any indication."



Did anyone reading this see him play in his final high school years at O'Dowd? That's local, so hopefully someone did see him play, and can give us a little more information to go on.




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"Smooth stroke with range to perimeter. "

Which perimeter? Three-point line? Free throw line? Restricted area?

"Projects as high major starter if significant trajectory is any indication."

After how many years?

I like his athleticism but he hasn't played enough for me to get any feel for his skill set. Hope it's improving.
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stu said:

"Smooth stroke with range to perimeter. "

Which perimeter? Three-point line? Free throw line? Restricted area?

"Projects as high major starter if significant trajectory is any indication."

After how many years?

I like his athleticism but he hasn't played enough for me to get any feel for his skill set. Hope it's improving.
I just hope he has gotten some smarts, especially with shot selection. That high flying dunk where he ended up landing on his head was a great example of poor shot selection. It was enough of a concussion to put him out for several games, and could have killed him.

He has to realize the dunk is no longer the ultimate crowd-pleaser, and even if it is, it is no longer as popular as it once was. Nowadays, the three is the shot of choice. And if you want to emulate the NBA stars, they are guys who are not only shoot threes, and some dunks, but are creating new shots, and many ways to score inside. See Steph Curry. Or even our own Jordan Shepherd. There is too much risk to the dunk, because you often have no control over how you will land on the floor.
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Yep - watching that was a heart-stopper. IMHO anyone committing a foul like that should get a suspension.
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HoopDreams said:

Monty Bowser hasn't been talked about much on this board, as he was injured all last season, and half way through his freshmen year

In his brief time on the court, he showed some explosiveness and defensive length. He looked confident in his 3 pointer, but was 0-5. When you have so few minutes and opportunities, and you're a freshmen role player, I don't think his shooting results are a good indicator of his shooting ability.

If he's been healthy enough to workout, practice his shooting, handle, and gain some strength, he could be a significant player off the bench. Hopefully he can be a shooter and defender, and even a rebounder off the bench




With our lack of returning scoring he might have to start by default.
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We've seen so little of this guy who's been in the program for two years: Monty Bowser is a mystery man indeed, for now.

Wow, imagine if he's spent the time really working on his game and turns out to be a pleasant surprise! It would be like putting on an old pair of pants from the bottom of your drawer and finding a wad of cash in one of the pockets! (Full disclosure: That's never happened to me... but I hear about it happening... every now and then.)
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stu said:

Yep - watching that was a heart-stopper. IMHO anyone committing a foul like that should get a suspension.
Agree. And if it was intentional, maybe banned for a season or more.

Most players who attack the basket aggressively while up in the air with no good plan for the landing afterwards could learn from Tyrone Wallace. He always seemed to have his landing spot picked out ahead of time and he landed softly on his back with a long slide ending up almost all the way out of bounds. I predicted when he arrived that he would get hurt going all out like that, but he never did get hurt badly in a game, on that play, I believe. He did finally injure his hand or wrist in practice, but I don't know how he injured it.
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In his HS highlight dunks it looks like Bowser often held the rim to control his landing. Good strategy.

It's been a couple of years but I think at Cal he was fouled in a way which prevented that.
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HoopDreams said:




Thanks HoopDreams for this. It looks like Bowser has made some short to medium range twos, and some longer twos. Those longer ones might have been high school threes, but not likely NCAA threes, if there is still a difference in the two lines, which I think was around two and half feet. But as he gets stronger, if the stroke is sound, he can increase his range. The freshman, Jerome Randle, likely could not have made a lot of the long threes he made as a senior.

I'm not as concerned with our perimeter shooting. Alajiki shot them at .500 last season, and Celestine is .359 for his career. Kuany shoots them OK - he just needs to take more shots, both inside and outside. I think that Askew will be able to make some threes. I am hoping SEC defenses are better than PAC12 defenses, and maybe that is why his shooting percentages were down so much from high school. I am more concerned about the interior scoring, losing both Kelly and Grant. Lars is shooting a good percentage, best on the team, but can he take more shots? The same is true of Kuany. Hopefully, Okafor can bring some interior scoring and do it at D1 level. In fact the whole team needs to take more shots. I think the problem may not be with not enough good shooters, but can Fox and his staff put together an offense which will result in more shots, and more open shots for players, or whether he even wants to, knowing his preference for slow play? Having two decent point guards on the floor at the same time will help, but we need a backup point to be able to do that. I have my doubts as to whether Fox can give our players a workable offense to get more shots, and better shots. So far, we haven't seen it.
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Big C said:


We've seen so little of this guy who's been in the program for two years: Monty Bowser is a mystery man indeed, for now.

Wow, imagine if he's spent the time really working on his game and turns out to be a pleasant surprise! It would be like putting on an old pair of pants from the bottom of your drawer and finding a wad of cash in one of the pockets! (Full disclosure: That's never happened to me... but I hear about it happening... every now and then.)
I never looked inside my dad's suit coat pockets for some extra change that he forgot about, nah, I never did that.

I believe Monty was Fox' highest rated recruit before Askew. So the potential is there. I just thought he seemed super raw and skinny as a freshman, which is understandable. Hope he's been able to put on some weight.
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KoreAmBear said:

Big C said:


We've seen so little of this guy who's been in the program for two years: Monty Bowser is a mystery man indeed, for now.

Wow, imagine if he's spent the time really working on his game and turns out to be a pleasant surprise! It would be like putting on an old pair of pants from the bottom of your drawer and finding a wad of cash in one of the pockets! (Full disclosure: That's never happened to me... but I hear about it happening... every now and then.)
I never looked inside my dad's suit coat pockets for some extra change that he forgot about, nah, I never did that.

I believe Monty was Fox' highest rated recruit before Askew. So the potential is there. I just thought he seemed super raw and skinny as a freshman, which is understandable. Hope he's been able to put on some weight.
You could be right. Bowser and Anyanwu were ranked in that fuzzy area between 4-stars and 3-stars. Anyanwu was ranked a 4-star recruit by ESPN and Rivals, and a 3-star by 247. Bowser was ranked a 4-star by 247, and a 3-star by Rivals, and was unranked by ESPN. I remember reading Bowser was Cal's highest ranked recruit that year, but I also remember reading that Anyanwu was Cal's highest ranked recruit that year. If their skills were combined in one player (Bowser's offense, and Anyanwu's defense and rebounding), that could have been a nice package. From what we have seen so far, the sample size is so small, and either one would have go a ways to deserve a 4-star ranking, IMO. Rankings above the 50th spot begin to lose accuracy, and when you get above 100, it is roll the dice.
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SFCityBear said:

KoreAmBear said:

Big C said:


We've seen so little of this guy who's been in the program for two years: Monty Bowser is a mystery man indeed, for now.

Wow, imagine if he's spent the time really working on his game and turns out to be a pleasant surprise! It would be like putting on an old pair of pants from the bottom of your drawer and finding a wad of cash in one of the pockets! (Full disclosure: That's never happened to me... but I hear about it happening... every now and then.)
I never looked inside my dad's suit coat pockets for some extra change that he forgot about, nah, I never did that.

I believe Monty was Fox' highest rated recruit before Askew. So the potential is there. I just thought he seemed super raw and skinny as a freshman, which is understandable. Hope he's been able to put on some weight.
You could be right. Bowser and Anyanwu were ranked in that fuzzy area between 4-stars and 3-stars. Anyanwu was ranked a 4-star recruit by ESPN and Rivals, and a 3-star by 247. Bowser was ranked a 4-star by 247, and a 3-star by Rivals, and was unranked by ESPN. I remember reading Bowser was Cal's highest ranked recruit that year, but I also remember reading that Anyanwu was Cal's highest ranked recruit that year. If their skills were combined in one player (Bowser's offense, and Anyanwu's defense and rebounding), that could have been a nice package. From what we have seen so far, the sample size is so small, and either one would have go a ways to deserve a 4-star ranking, IMO. Rankings above the 50th spot begin to lose accuracy, and when you get above 100, it is roll the dice.
Luckily Alajiki was the real deal. Out of all the Fox recruits, he has been the one that has been the most polished (not saying he is close to being polished overall, but he looked like he belonged from the start).
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KoreAmBear said:

SFCityBear said:

KoreAmBear said:

Big C said:


We've seen so little of this guy who's been in the program for two years: Monty Bowser is a mystery man indeed, for now.

Wow, imagine if he's spent the time really working on his game and turns out to be a pleasant surprise! It would be like putting on an old pair of pants from the bottom of your drawer and finding a wad of cash in one of the pockets! (Full disclosure: That's never happened to me... but I hear about it happening... every now and then.)
I never looked inside my dad's suit coat pockets for some extra change that he forgot about, nah, I never did that.

I believe Monty was Fox' highest rated recruit before Askew. So the potential is there. I just thought he seemed super raw and skinny as a freshman, which is understandable. Hope he's been able to put on some weight.
You could be right. Bowser and Anyanwu were ranked in that fuzzy area between 4-stars and 3-stars. Anyanwu was ranked a 4-star recruit by ESPN and Rivals, and a 3-star by 247. Bowser was ranked a 4-star by 247, and a 3-star by Rivals, and was unranked by ESPN. I remember reading Bowser was Cal's highest ranked recruit that year, but I also remember reading that Anyanwu was Cal's highest ranked recruit that year. If their skills were combined in one player (Bowser's offense, and Anyanwu's defense and rebounding), that could have been a nice package. From what we have seen so far, the sample size is so small, and either one would have go a ways to deserve a 4-star ranking, IMO. Rankings above the 50th spot begin to lose accuracy, and when you get above 100, it is roll the dice.
Luckily Alajiki was the real deal. Out of all the Fox recruits, he has been the one that has been the most polished (not saying he is close to being polished overall, but he looked like he belonged from the start).
I'd agree. He makes half of the three point shots he takes, and he gets after it on defense. He needs to learn to rebound and to take and make shots closer to the basket. As for Bowser and Anyanwu, they are still very young and raw, like most players, and like most players, with adequate personal individual coaching and hard work, they will very likely improve. I hope they stick around.
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SFCityBear said:

KoreAmBear said:

SFCityBear said:

KoreAmBear said:

Big C said:


We've seen so little of this guy who's been in the program for two years: Monty Bowser is a mystery man indeed, for now.

Wow, imagine if he's spent the time really working on his game and turns out to be a pleasant surprise! It would be like putting on an old pair of pants from the bottom of your drawer and finding a wad of cash in one of the pockets! (Full disclosure: That's never happened to me... but I hear about it happening... every now and then.)
I never looked inside my dad's suit coat pockets for some extra change that he forgot about, nah, I never did that.

I believe Monty was Fox' highest rated recruit before Askew. So the potential is there. I just thought he seemed super raw and skinny as a freshman, which is understandable. Hope he's been able to put on some weight.
You could be right. Bowser and Anyanwu were ranked in that fuzzy area between 4-stars and 3-stars. Anyanwu was ranked a 4-star recruit by ESPN and Rivals, and a 3-star by 247. Bowser was ranked a 4-star by 247, and a 3-star by Rivals, and was unranked by ESPN. I remember reading Bowser was Cal's highest ranked recruit that year, but I also remember reading that Anyanwu was Cal's highest ranked recruit that year. If their skills were combined in one player (Bowser's offense, and Anyanwu's defense and rebounding), that could have been a nice package. From what we have seen so far, the sample size is so small, and either one would have go a ways to deserve a 4-star ranking, IMO. Rankings above the 50th spot begin to lose accuracy, and when you get above 100, it is roll the dice.
Luckily Alajiki was the real deal. Out of all the Fox recruits, he has been the one that has been the most polished (not saying he is close to being polished overall, but he looked like he belonged from the start).
I'd agree. He makes half of the three point shots he takes, and he gets after it on defense. He needs to learn to rebound and to take and make shots closer to the basket. As for Bowser and Anyanwu, they are still very young and raw, like most players, and like most players, with adequate personal individual coaching and hard work, they will very likely improve. I hope they stick around.

Call me the board cynic (first time for everything), but I am concerned about how Alajiki seemed to tail off the last ten games or so. In December, I'd watch him drain a three-pointer and be like, wow. OTOH, I can't seem to recall him providing us much of anything in February. Hopefully, all he needed was a restart, plenty of off-season work and a little back-to-the-drawing-board to get things straightened out.
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And then, speaking of mystery men, there's Marsalis Roberson, who, as a junior at Bishop O'Dowd, was SF Chronicle Bay Area Player of the Year, while having a senior on the team by the name of Monty Bowser.
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Big C said:

Call me the board cynic (first time for everything), but I am concerned about how Alajiki seemed to tail off the last ten games or so. In December, I'd watch him drain a three-pointer and be like, wow. OTOH, I can't seem to recall him providing us much of anything in February. Hopefully, all he needed was a restart, plenty of off-season work and a little back-to-the-drawing-board to get things straightened out.
It's possible other teams scouted us and decided they needed to pay more attention to Alajiki.
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stu said:

Big C said:

Call me the board cynic (first time for everything), but I am concerned about how Alajiki seemed to tail off the last ten games or so. In December, I'd watch him drain a three-pointer and be like, wow. OTOH, I can't seem to recall him providing us much of anything in February. Hopefully, all he needed was a restart, plenty of off-season work and a little back-to-the-drawing-board to get things straightened out.
It's possible other teams scouted us and decided they needed to pay more attention to Alajiki.
Also, that's probably the most basketball he played for an extended time. Could have been some fatigue involved too. He played a lot relatively speaking as a freshman. And he is super high energy.
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KoreAmBear said:

stu said:

Big C said:

Call me the board cynic (first time for everything), but I am concerned about how Alajiki seemed to tail off the last ten games or so. In December, I'd watch him drain a three-pointer and be like, wow. OTOH, I can't seem to recall him providing us much of anything in February. Hopefully, all he needed was a restart, plenty of off-season work and a little back-to-the-drawing-board to get things straightened out.
It's possible other teams scouted us and decided they needed to pay more attention to Alajiki.
Also, that's probably the most basketball he played for an extended time. Could have been some fatigue involved too. He played a lot relatively speaking as a freshman. And he is super high energy.
I think you are right about this. It is not uncommon with freshmen for the longer season and the faster pace at both ends to affect them. D1 is not high school. They should be be better prepared for D1 seasons going forward.
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there are featured shooters that the defenses key on, and then there complementary players that defenses determine they can sag off of, until that player shoots them out of that

initially teams used this strategy, and then when he proved he could hit an open 3 and a high percent, they changed their strategy and stayed in contact with him

big difference between hitting an open 3 vs a defended 3

but the good news, is he's proven that he can hit an open 3 consistently, so I expect him to be able to adjust to the new defensive strategy... meaning he will adjust to shooting a defended 3, although his overall percentage will drop to a more earthly stratisphere from his mid-season 50% to maybe 36%.

Now if he can add a drive game to keep the defenses honest, he could increase that to 38% by his junior year
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HoopDreams said:

there are featured shooters that the defenses key on, and then there complementary players that defenses determine they can sag off of, until that player shoots them out of that

initially teams used this strategy, and then when he proved he could hit an open 3 and a high percent, they changed their strategy and stayed in contact with him

big difference between hitting an open 3 vs a defended 3

but the good news, is he's proven that he can hit an open 3 consistently, so I expect him to be able to adjust to the new defensive strategy... meaning he will adjust to shooting a defended 3, although his overall percentage will drop to a more earthly stratisphere from his mid-season 50% to maybe 36%.

Now if he can add a drive game to keep the defenses honest, he could increase that to 38% by his junior year

I'd say, with that drive game, even 38.5%.
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HoopDreams said:

there are featured shooters that the defenses key on, and then there complementary players that defenses determine they can sag off of, until that player shoots them out of that

initially teams used this strategy, and then when he proved he could hit an open 3 and a high percent, they changed their strategy and stayed in contact with him

big difference between hitting an open 3 vs a defended 3

but the good news, is he's proven that he can hit an open 3 consistently, so I expect him to be able to adjust to the new defensive strategy... meaning he will adjust to shooting a defended 3, although his overall percentage will drop to a more earthly stratisphere from his mid-season 50% to maybe 36%.

Now if he can add a drive game to keep the defenses honest, he could increase that to 38% by his junior year


One of the nice things about good offensive coaches like Monty and Few is they use strategy to get open looks for their 3 point shooters. A guy like Mathews didn't have to take contested 3s when playing for either one. In fact, it was discouraged.
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