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Rodney Brown decommits from Cal
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NIL?
It was too good to be true.
The bright side to this is that if Fox signs zero players this year, my friends and I in the IM leagues might get a shot
it was fun while it lasted. cue the return of....
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Hey this is exactly what's happening in football.
"Gentleman, it has been a pleasure playing with you tonight." - cal band member on the Titanic
Lame :/
Yep. Do the recruits know something we don't? D3 here we come...fat_slice said:Intuit said:
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Hey this is exactly what's happening in football.
"Gentleman, it has been a pleasure playing with you tonight." - cal band member on the Titanic
It's got to be the NIL.
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I said this earlier, before Rodney committed, but we seriously don't look like we have a shot at a single one of our offers- they're all predicted to go elsewhere or are obviously out of our league as per 247.
The only offer on our list that isn't leaning elsewhere is SG Courtney Anderson, a 3-star from Dublin, CA. These are his offers: https://247sports.com/Recruitment/Courtney-Anderson-133966/RecruitInterests/
He also took a visit to Colorado.
In any case, recruiting is REALLY bad. I mean there are many, many non power conference teams that recruit better than us. I just don't see how it's possible to warrant letting this experiment fail any longer with Fox
The only offer on our list that isn't leaning elsewhere is SG Courtney Anderson, a 3-star from Dublin, CA. These are his offers: https://247sports.com/Recruitment/Courtney-Anderson-133966/RecruitInterests/
He also took a visit to Colorado.
In any case, recruiting is REALLY bad. I mean there are many, many non power conference teams that recruit better than us. I just don't see how it's possible to warrant letting this experiment fail any longer with Fox
If we keep Fox until the PAC-12 disintegrates than Knowlton will have all the excuses he needs until he and Fox both retire.
My flicker of hope snuffed out
eastcoastcal said:
I said this earlier, before Rodney committed, but we seriously don't look like we have a shot at a single one of our offers- they're all predicted to go elsewhere or are obviously out of our league as per 247.
The only offer on our list that isn't leaning elsewhere is SG Courtney Anderson, a 3-star from Dublin, CA. These are his offers: https://247sports.com/Recruitment/Courtney-Anderson-133966/RecruitInterests/
He also took a visit to Colorado.
In any case, recruiting is REALLY bad. I mean there are many, many non power conference teams that recruit better than us. I just don't see how it's possible to warrant letting this experiment fail any longer with Fox
What is crazy is hiring Jones was an experiment. Mark Fox was a completely known entity and the results of his hiring (and extension) have been entirely predictable.
calumnus said:eastcoastcal said:
I said this earlier, before Rodney committed, but we seriously don't look like we have a shot at a single one of our offers- they're all predicted to go elsewhere or are obviously out of our league as per 247.
The only offer on our list that isn't leaning elsewhere is SG Courtney Anderson, a 3-star from Dublin, CA. These are his offers: https://247sports.com/Recruitment/Courtney-Anderson-133966/RecruitInterests/
He also took a visit to Colorado.
In any case, recruiting is REALLY bad. I mean there are many, many non power conference teams that recruit better than us. I just don't see how it's possible to warrant letting this experiment fail any longer with Fox
What is crazy is hiring Jones was an experiment. Mark Fox was a completely known entity and the results of his hiring (and extension) have been entirely predictable.
Not sure I would have called the Wyking hire an experiment. It was pretty obvious he was a bad hire from the beginning. In his entire career not only was he never a head coach before, but he wasn't even an assistant head coach. That was a huge red flag from the get go.
It's easy to just blame it on NIL. If so, why did Brown commit in the first place and what transpired in such a short period that made him change his mind?
Maybe another school made a bigger $ offer? OK, then he should have committed to that particular school.
We can speculate all we want but the fact is that it's another horrible look for Fox. We are all just looking for a shred of hope with this moribund program. A sign that things might be turning around. We finally got it and it only lasted 3 weeks.
Maybe another school made a bigger $ offer? OK, then he should have committed to that particular school.
We can speculate all we want but the fact is that it's another horrible look for Fox. We are all just looking for a shred of hope with this moribund program. A sign that things might be turning around. We finally got it and it only lasted 3 weeks.
Everybody has a dream, but do you really want to run an offense that's random motion for the first 20 seconds of every possession and apparently excludes things like going back-door or weak-side screens?eastcoastcal said:
The bright side to this is that if Fox signs zero players this year, my friends and I in the IM leagues might get a shot
Personally, I hope he doesn't fill the slots so they're open for his successor to use.
That's what I'm afraid of. He could sign up to 5 players that could end up hamstringing his successor for years to come.HearstMining said:Everybody has a dream, but do you really want to run an offense that's random motion for the first 20 seconds of every possession and apparently excludes things like going back-door or weak-side screens?eastcoastcal said:
The bright side to this is that if Fox signs zero players this year, my friends and I in the IM leagues might get a shot
Personally, I hope he doesn't fill the slots so they're open for his successor to use.
Aren't all scholarships year to year? While it might be a bad look to offer a scholarship to a player and then not reup it for their sophomore or junior year, I would say that if we did hire a reasonable coaching replacement there might have to be some cutting of dead scholarship weight.philbert said:That's what I'm afraid of. He could sign up to 5 players that could end up hamstringing his successor for years to come.HearstMining said:Everybody has a dream, but do you really want to run an offense that's random motion for the first 20 seconds of every possession and apparently excludes things like going back-door or weak-side screens?eastcoastcal said:
The bright side to this is that if Fox signs zero players this year, my friends and I in the IM leagues might get a shot
Personally, I hope he doesn't fill the slots so they're open for his successor to use.
This is moving more and more towards being a business and the bottom line is if you aren't delivering you aren't on the team - say hello to the portal.
Nope. Schollies are guaranteed for 4 years n the Pac12 and many other conferences. That was the problem with Jones trying to boot a couple of players a few years ago. Players are not obligated to give up their scollies.CALiforniALUM said:Aren't all scholarships year to year? While it might be a bad look to offer a scholarship to a player and then not reup it for their sophomore or junior year, I would say that if we did hire a reasonable coaching replacement there might have to be some cutting of dead scholarship weight.philbert said:That's what I'm afraid of. He could sign up to 5 players that could end up hamstringing his successor for years to come.HearstMining said:Everybody has a dream, but do you really want to run an offense that's random motion for the first 20 seconds of every possession and apparently excludes things like going back-door or weak-side screens?eastcoastcal said:
The bright side to this is that if Fox signs zero players this year, my friends and I in the IM leagues might get a shot
Personally, I hope he doesn't fill the slots so they're open for his successor to use.
This is moving more and more towards being a business and the bottom line is if you aren't delivering you aren't on the team - say hello to the portal.
PAC12? You know something we don't?Civil Bear said:Nope. Schollies are guaranteed for 4 years n the Pac12 and many other conferences. That was the problem with Jones trying to boot a couple of players a few years ago. Players are not obligated to give up their scollies.CALiforniALUM said:Aren't all scholarships year to year? While it might be a bad look to offer a scholarship to a player and then not reup it for their sophomore or junior year, I would say that if we did hire a reasonable coaching replacement there might have to be some cutting of dead scholarship weight.philbert said:That's what I'm afraid of. He could sign up to 5 players that could end up hamstringing his successor for years to come.HearstMining said:Everybody has a dream, but do you really want to run an offense that's random motion for the first 20 seconds of every possession and apparently excludes things like going back-door or weak-side screens?eastcoastcal said:
The bright side to this is that if Fox signs zero players this year, my friends and I in the IM leagues might get a shot
Personally, I hope he doesn't fill the slots so they're open for his successor to use.
This is moving more and more towards being a business and the bottom line is if you aren't delivering you aren't on the team - say hello to the portal.
what are the B1G rules?Bobodeluxe said:PAC12? You know something we don't?Civil Bear said:Nope. Schollies are guaranteed for 4 years n the Pac12 and many other conferences. That was the problem with Jones trying to boot a couple of players a few years ago. Players are not obligated to give up their scollies.CALiforniALUM said:Aren't all scholarships year to year? While it might be a bad look to offer a scholarship to a player and then not reup it for their sophomore or junior year, I would say that if we did hire a reasonable coaching replacement there might have to be some cutting of dead scholarship weight.philbert said:That's what I'm afraid of. He could sign up to 5 players that could end up hamstringing his successor for years to come.HearstMining said:Everybody has a dream, but do you really want to run an offense that's random motion for the first 20 seconds of every possession and apparently excludes things like going back-door or weak-side screens?eastcoastcal said:
The bright side to this is that if Fox signs zero players this year, my friends and I in the IM leagues might get a shot
Personally, I hope he doesn't fill the slots so they're open for his successor to use.
This is moving more and more towards being a business and the bottom line is if you aren't delivering you aren't on the team - say hello to the portal.
More than that, it's the right thing to do. I think if we offer a scholarship it should be good for 4 years (or a degree, if that comes earlier).Civil Bear said:
Nope. Schollies are guaranteed for 4 years n the Pac12 and many other conferences. That was the problem with Jones trying to boot a couple of players a few years ago. Players are not obligated to give up their scollies.
I don't buy this. Maybe it does not look good for Coach Fox, but when the commitment was made, there were three adults and one young person, likely a minor, in the room. Two of the adults were parents whose advice, and whose word apparently meant little. The young person is not yet mature. likely impressionable, and not yet aware of the fact that in life, a man is only as good as his word. He should have been advised that if he is not sure, then he should wait and let the process play out. The only man in the room who demonstrated some character was coach Fox. He kept his word on the offer of a scholarship. I think it is hard enough to find and evaluate a player, and then try to sell the program and the school to the player, but to try be a mind-reader and evaluate a player, his parents, and maybe his agent as to the value of their word is quite a stretch, IMO.BC Calfan said:
It's easy to just blame it on NIL. If so, why did Brown commit in the first place and what transpired in such a short period that made him change his mind?
Maybe another school made a bigger $ offer? OK, then he should have committed to that particular school.
We can speculate all we want but the fact is that it's another horrible look for Fox. We are all just looking for a shred of hope with this moribund program. A sign that things might be turning around. We finally got it and it only lasted 3 weeks.
SFCityBear
Sure, I agree I guess on principle- I'd be happy to hand Fox an award for character tomorrow for all I care. But he clearly can't recruit at all and in power conference basketball that means your program will be a basement dweller.SFCityBear said:I don't buy this. Maybe it does not look good for Coach Fox, but when the commitment was made, there were three adults and one young person, likely a minor, in the room. Two of the adults were parents whose advice, and whose word apparently meant little. The young person is not yet mature. likely impressionable, and not yet aware of the fact that in life, a man is only as good as his word. He should have been advised that if he is not sure, then he should wait and let the process play out. The only man in the room who demonstrated some character was coach Fox. He kept his word on the offer of a scholarship. I think it is hard enough to find and evaluate a player, and then try to sell the program and the school to the player, but to try be a mind-reader and evaluate a player, his parents, and maybe his agent as to the value of their word is quite a stretch, IMO.BC Calfan said:
It's easy to just blame it on NIL. If so, why did Brown commit in the first place and what transpired in such a short period that made him change his mind?
Maybe another school made a bigger $ offer? OK, then he should have committed to that particular school.
We can speculate all we want but the fact is that it's another horrible look for Fox. We are all just looking for a shred of hope with this moribund program. A sign that things might be turning around. We finally got it and it only lasted 3 weeks.
I pose a question to everyone- is it at all advantageous if we let Fox go mid-season (jump start on a HC search?) or is it better to wait out the season? And yes, I know that I should "wait and see how the season goes" because its theoretically the right thing to do but come on, he clearly doesn't have the recruiting ability to be a P6 coach. We should've moved on this past offseason
Again, waiting till the end of this season is the right thing to do. I wouldn't want any coach fired mid-season except for a serious scandal.eastcoastcal said:
I pose a question to everyone- is it at all advantageous if we let Fox go mid-season (jump start on a HC search?) or is it better to wait out the season? And yes, I know that I should "wait and see how the season goes" because its theoretically the right thing to do but come on, he clearly doesn't have the recruiting ability to be a P6 coach. We should've moved on this past offseason
… or an five star player revolt.stu said:Again, waiting till the end of this season is the right thing to do. I wouldn't want any coach fired mid-season except for a serious scandal.eastcoastcal said:
I pose a question to everyone- is it at all advantageous if we let Fox go mid-season (jump start on a HC search?) or is it better to wait out the season? And yes, I know that I should "wait and see how the season goes" because its theoretically the right thing to do but come on, he clearly doesn't have the recruiting ability to be a P6 coach. We should've moved on this past offseason
cal's current basketball staff with a combined age of 200 years on planet earth is the oldest 4 person staff in d1 college basketball, this may not bother mark fox or jim knowlton (they both gonna get paid regardless of results or if haas is a cold empty palace again) but in today's fiercely competitive recruiting environment that necessitates daily contact/communications (something that almost all old white men are incapable of fulfilling) in building relationships this is fatal
jaylen brown told me he tried to explain to jim knowlton the importance of a black trusted father figure/life mentor like coach martin but that he didn't think jim understood what the **** he was talking about
if u want more details, the shockster is posting on the rivals site
cal's monster worser class (don't be a dumb azz)#
welcome back shockyShocky1 said:
cal's current basketball staff with a combined age of 200 years on planet earth is the oldest 4 person staff in d1 college basketball, this may not bother mark fox or jim knowlton (they both gonna get paid regardless of results or if haas is a cold empty palace again) but in today's fiercely competitive recruiting environment that necessitates daily contact/communications (something that almost all old white men are incapable of fulfilling) in building relationships this is fatal
jaylen brown told me he tried to explain to jim knowlton the importance of a black trusted father figure/life mentor like coach martin but that he didn't think jim understood what the **** he was talking about
if u want more details, the shockster is posting on the rivals site
cal's monster worser class (don't be a dumb azz)#
hope you have the chance to really impact the program when fox is inevitably fired at the end of the season. maybe you can get jaylen & other cal legends to form a committee to recommend the best coach we can get
eastcoastcal said:welcome back shockyShocky1 said:
cal's current basketball staff with a combined age of 200 years on planet earth is the oldest 4 person staff in d1 college basketball, this may not bother mark fox or jim knowlton (they both gonna get paid regardless of results or if haas is a cold empty palace again) but in today's fiercely competitive recruiting environment that necessitates daily contact/communications (something that almost all old white men are incapable of fulfilling) in building relationships this is fatal
jaylen brown told me he tried to explain to jim knowlton the importance of a black trusted father figure/life mentor like coach martin but that he didn't think jim understood what the **** he was talking about
if u want more details, the shockster is posting on the rivals site
cal's monster worser class (don't be a dumb azz)#
hope you have the chance to really impact the program when fox is inevitably fired at the end of the season. maybe you can get jaylen & other cal legends to form a committee to recommend the best coach we can get
There is a chance Knowlton gets justifiably fired for his actions and inaction in the McKeever scandal, but I'm not holding my breath. Our best hope is that assertive boosters are able to take the program off of Knowlton's hands, find the next coach and find the NIL money for players (while Knowlton collects his $million annual salary for the next 8 years).
I hope there are enough boosters left who care. i honestly think this may be the last chance to salvage the program. i can't imagine that a program can recover from wyking, fox, and a third terrible hire.calumnus said:eastcoastcal said:welcome back shockyShocky1 said:
cal's current basketball staff with a combined age of 200 years on planet earth is the oldest 4 person staff in d1 college basketball, this may not bother mark fox or jim knowlton (they both gonna get paid regardless of results or if haas is a cold empty palace again) but in today's fiercely competitive recruiting environment that necessitates daily contact/communications (something that almost all old white men are incapable of fulfilling) in building relationships this is fatal
jaylen brown told me he tried to explain to jim knowlton the importance of a black trusted father figure/life mentor like coach martin but that he didn't think jim understood what the **** he was talking about
if u want more details, the shockster is posting on the rivals site
cal's monster worser class (don't be a dumb azz)#
hope you have the chance to really impact the program when fox is inevitably fired at the end of the season. maybe you can get jaylen & other cal legends to form a committee to recommend the best coach we can get
There is a chance Knowlton gets justifiably fired for his actions and inaction in the McKeever scandal, but I'm not holding my breath. Our best hope is that assertive boosters are able to take the program off of Knowlton's hands, find the next coach and find the NIL money for players (while Knowlton collects his $million annual salary for the next 8 years).
Well, we don't have one five-star player and we don't have five players who I'd describe as stars.Bobodeluxe said:… or an five star player revolt.stu said:
Again, waiting till the end of this season is the right thing to do. I wouldn't want any coach fired mid-season except for a serious scandal.
Actually I think one of Fox's strengths is retaining the players he has recruited. He has trouble getting recruits to come to Cal but those who do have stayed (I'm not counting all the players recruited by former coaches).
Agree.stu said:Again, waiting till the end of this season is the right thing to do. I wouldn't want any coach fired mid-season except for a serious scandal.eastcoastcal said:
I pose a question to everyone- is it at all advantageous if we let Fox go mid-season (jump start on a HC search?) or is it better to wait out the season? And yes, I know that I should "wait and see how the season goes" because its theoretically the right thing to do but come on, he clearly doesn't have the recruiting ability to be a P6 coach. We should've moved on this past offseason
That said, Knowlton should already be going through his proverbial rolodex, scouring the land for the best replacement. He's probably not though, is he? And he probably doesn't have a proverbial rolodex (metaphor for someone's extensive contacts), does he? But he's got that search firm!
Hey! What happened with your $1M meeting with the Shockster?eastcoastcal said:welcome back shockyShocky1 said:
cal's current basketball staff with a combined age of 200 years on planet earth is the oldest 4 person staff in d1 college basketball, this may not bother mark fox or jim knowlton (they both gonna get paid regardless of results or if haas is a cold empty palace again) but in today's fiercely competitive recruiting environment that necessitates daily contact/communications (something that almost all old white men are incapable of fulfilling) in building relationships this is fatal
jaylen brown told me he tried to explain to jim knowlton the importance of a black trusted father figure/life mentor like coach martin but that he didn't think jim understood what the **** he was talking about
if u want more details, the shockster is posting on the rivals site
cal's monster worser class (don't be a dumb azz)#
hope you have the chance to really impact the program when fox is inevitably fired at the end of the season. maybe you can get jaylen & other cal legends to form a committee to recommend the best coach we can get
Unfortunately nothing happened 
Maybe vs UNLV?
Maybe vs UNLV?
#LouCampanellistu said:Well, we don't have one five-star player and we don't have five players who I'd describe as stars.Bobodeluxe said:… or an five star player revolt.stu said:
Again, waiting till the end of this season is the right thing to do. I wouldn't want any coach fired mid-season except for a serious scandal.
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