I hope not.

oskidunker said:

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I hope not.

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Likely. Davis is D1 Basketball, so they'll likely have better/bigger players to a degree.
I expect the Bears play better than they did, but they do have 6 new players. Hopefully Clayton is healthy and we see more of him. He's a 1,500 point scorer a similar level to Davis.

I've always been partial to Chico.

I am told Davis beat Chico by 25.

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I am told Davis beat Chico by 25.

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Which means nothing in my opinion at this point .

Yes. <9 wins guys. But he still won't be fired.

Until that happens I am going to remind you what the penultimate leader of the campus said.

"I understand that football and basketball are revenue sports, but I don't see them as the sole measure of athletic success."

sluggo said:

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Alkiadt said:

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oskidunker said:

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I hope not.

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Likely. Davis is D1 Basketball, so they'll likely have better/bigger players to a degree.
I expect the Bears play better than they did, but they do have 6 new players. Hopefully Clayton is healthy and we see more of him. He's a 1,500 point scorer a similar level to Davis.

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Cal has four new scholarship players as far as I am aware, two transfers and two freshmen. I do like Fox's excuse talking points.

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I'm counting Bowser and to a lesser degree Roberson based on how little they have played due to injuries.

I have never seen Bowser make a shot other than a dunk.

sluggo said:

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Alkiadt said:

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sluggo said:

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Alkiadt said:

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oskidunker said:

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I hope not.

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Likely. Davis is D1 Basketball, so they'll likely have better/bigger players to a degree.
I expect the Bears play better than they did, but they do have 6 new players. Hopefully Clayton is healthy and we see more of him. He's a 1,500 point scorer a similar level to Davis.

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Cal has four new scholarship players as far as I am aware, two transfers and two freshmen. I do like Fox's excuse talking points.

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I'm counting Bowser and to a lesser degree Roberson based on how little they have played due to injuries.

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I don't think you should. Bowser is in his third year in the program, Roberson in his second. And why do you want to be repeating Fox's excuses?

Cal has three fourth year seniors and two experienced transfers. It is a veteran team. They are bad because they are bad.

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Bowser hasn't played more than 3 halves of ball in his total time here. And the minutes were never significant IIRC. And he missed significant practice time due to two different injuries. My hope is he helps with his outside shooting at some point. We'll see, I'm not predicting success but I'll hold judgement.

I didn't read in any "excuses" from Fox, so that's an opinion you're entitled to. I am looking forward to new players and what they bring. If all 6 do contribute that's a sizable turnover in a 9 man rotation no matter how you look at it. And you've already decided the two transfers are part of this "bad" team? One of which was limited to two minutes stints as an injury precaution in an exhibition? Ok.

UC Davis is huge and fast with a PG who slices the opposition with Cousy-like accuracy.
4 players 6'9"+ and 4 players 6'7". What they lack in experience they make up for in talent and smarts.

joe amos yaks said:

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UC Davis is huge and fast with a PG who slices the opposition with Cousy-like accuracy.
4 players 6'9"+ and 4 players 6'7". What they lack in experience they make up for in talent and smarts.

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Before warm-ups, our Sly Fox will use his sharp teeth to nip at their balls! That will prevent them from practicing their shots prior to the game!

Alkiadt said:

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sluggo said:

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Alkiadt said:

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sluggo said:

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Alkiadt said:

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oskidunker said:

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I hope not.

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Likely. Davis is D1 Basketball, so they'll likely have better/bigger players to a degree.
I expect the Bears play better than they did, but they do have 6 new players. Hopefully Clayton is healthy and we see more of him. He's a 1,500 point scorer a similar level to Davis.

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Cal has four new scholarship players as far as I am aware, two transfers and two freshmen. I do like Fox's excuse talking points.

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I'm counting Bowser and to a lesser degree Roberson based on how little they have played due to injuries.

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I don't think you should. Bowser is in his third year in the program, Roberson in his second. And why do you want to be repeating Fox's excuses?

Cal has three fourth year seniors and two experienced transfers. It is a veteran team. They are bad because they are bad.

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Bowser hasn't played more than 3 halves of ball in his total time here. And the minutes were never significant IIRC. And he missed significant practice time due to two different injuries. My hope is he helps with his outside shooting at some point. We'll see, I'm not predicting success but I'll hold judgement.

I didn't read in any "excuses" from Fox, so that's an opinion you're entitled to. I am looking forward to new players and what they bring. If all 6 do contribute that's a sizable turnover in a 9 man rotation no matter how you look at it. And you've already decided the two transfers are part of this "bad" team? One of which was limited to two minutes stints as an injury precaution in an exhibition? Ok.

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You seem to be close to the staff. Can you explain how being limited to two minute stints is a precaution against injury? What is the logic there?

calumnus said:

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Alkiadt said:

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sluggo said:

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Alkiadt said:

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sluggo said:

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Alkiadt said:

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oskidunker said:

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I hope not.

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Likely. Davis is D1 Basketball, so they'll likely have better/bigger players to a degree.
I expect the Bears play better than they did, but they do have 6 new players. Hopefully Clayton is healthy and we see more of him. He's a 1,500 point scorer a similar level to Davis.

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Cal has four new scholarship players as far as I am aware, two transfers and two freshmen. I do like Fox's excuse talking points.

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I'm counting Bowser and to a lesser degree Roberson based on how little they have played due to injuries.

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I don't think you should. Bowser is in his third year in the program, Roberson in his second. And why do you want to be repeating Fox's excuses?

Cal has three fourth year seniors and two experienced transfers. It is a veteran team. They are bad because they are bad.

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Bowser hasn't played more than 3 halves of ball in his total time here. And the minutes were never significant IIRC. And he missed significant practice time due to two different injuries. My hope is he helps with his outside shooting at some point. We'll see, I'm not predicting success but I'll hold judgement.

I didn't read in any "excuses" from Fox, so that's an opinion you're entitled to. I am looking forward to new players and what they bring. If all 6 do contribute that's a sizable turnover in a 9 man rotation no matter how you look at it. And you've already decided the two transfers are part of this "bad" team? One of which was limited to two minutes stints as an injury precaution in an exhibition? Ok.

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You seem to be close to the staff. Can you explain how being limited to two minute stints is a precaution against injury? What is the logic there?

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Leg muscle pulls that are healing can be pulled again. Very common to re-tweak a hamstring or calf. Being cautious is routine to try to avoid re-injury.

socaltownie said:

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Yes. <9 wins guys. But he still won't be fired.

Until that happens I am going to remind you what the penultimate leader of the campus said.

"I understand that football and basketball are revenue sports, but I don't see them as the sole measure of athletic success."

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Do you? Are they the SOLE measure of success?
If CAL won the national championship in every sports with the exception of football and basketball, would that be failure?

sluggo said:

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Alkiadt said:

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sluggo said:

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Alkiadt said:

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oskidunker said:

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I hope not.

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Likely. Davis is D1 Basketball, so they'll likely have better/bigger players to a degree.
I expect the Bears play better than they did, but they do have 6 new players. Hopefully Clayton is healthy and we see more of him. He's a 1,500 point scorer a similar level to Davis.

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Cal has four new scholarship players as far as I am aware, two transfers and two freshmen. I do like Fox's excuse talking points.

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I'm counting Bowser and to a lesser degree Roberson based on how little they have played due to injuries.

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I don't think you should. Bowser is in his third year in the program, Roberson in his second. And why do you want to be repeating Fox's excuses?

Cal has three fourth year seniors and two experienced transfers. It is a veteran team. They are bad because they are bad.

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I'm thinking maybe let them play an actual game before declaring them bad. Why rush?

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You seem to be close to the staff. Can you explain how being limited to two minute stints is a precaution against injury? What is the logic there?

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I'm just guessing here - it may be illness rather than injury. I can understand taking it easy after the flu or something similar.

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calumnus said:

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You seem to be close to the staff. Can you explain how being limited to two minute stints is a precaution against injury? What is the logic there?

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I'm just guessing here - it may be illness rather than injury. I can understand taking it easy after the flu or something similar.

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It's not an illness.

graguna said:

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sluggo said:

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Alkiadt said:

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sluggo said:

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Alkiadt said:

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oskidunker said:

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I hope not.

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Likely. Davis is D1 Basketball, so they'll likely have better/bigger players to a degree.
I expect the Bears play better than they did, but they do have 6 new players. Hopefully Clayton is healthy and we see more of him. He's a 1,500 point scorer a similar level to Davis.

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Cal has four new scholarship players as far as I am aware, two transfers and two freshmen. I do like Fox's excuse talking points.

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I'm counting Bowser and to a lesser degree Roberson based on how little they have played due to injuries.

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I don't think you should. Bowser is in his third year in the program, Roberson in his second. And why do you want to be repeating Fox's excuses?

Cal has three fourth year seniors and two experienced transfers. It is a veteran team. They are bad because they are bad.

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I'm thinking maybe let them play an actual game before declaring them bad. Why rush?

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I thought we were talking about the Chico game.

Alkiadt said:

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calumnus said:

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Alkiadt said:

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sluggo said:

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Alkiadt said:

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sluggo said:

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Alkiadt said:

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oskidunker said:

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I hope not.

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Likely. Davis is D1 Basketball, so they'll likely have better/bigger players to a degree.
I expect the Bears play better than they did, but they do have 6 new players. Hopefully Clayton is healthy and we see more of him. He's a 1,500 point scorer a similar level to Davis.

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Cal has four new scholarship players as far as I am aware, two transfers and two freshmen. I do like Fox's excuse talking points.

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I'm counting Bowser and to a lesser degree Roberson based on how little they have played due to injuries.

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I don't think you should. Bowser is in his third year in the program, Roberson in his second. And why do you want to be repeating Fox's excuses?

Cal has three fourth year seniors and two experienced transfers. It is a veteran team. They are bad because they are bad.

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Bowser hasn't played more than 3 halves of ball in his total time here. And the minutes were never significant IIRC. And he missed significant practice time due to two different injuries. My hope is he helps with his outside shooting at some point. We'll see, I'm not predicting success but I'll hold judgement.

I didn't read in any "excuses" from Fox, so that's an opinion you're entitled to. I am looking forward to new players and what they bring. If all 6 do contribute that's a sizable turnover in a 9 man rotation no matter how you look at it. And you've already decided the two transfers are part of this "bad" team? One of which was limited to two minutes stints as an injury precaution in an exhibition? Ok.

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You seem to be close to the staff. Can you explain how being limited to two minute stints is a precaution against injury? What is the logic there?

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Leg muscle pulls that are healing can be pulled again. Very common to re-tweak a hamstring or calf. Being cautious is routine to try to avoid re-injury.

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The boxscore said Clayton played 15 minutes. Did he play seven two minute stints?

I understand playing less after injury. I think it is more typical after injury to play in fewer stretches with the idea that the warming and cooling is an injury risk.

sluggo said:

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graguna said:

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sluggo said:

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Alkiadt said:

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sluggo said:

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Alkiadt said:

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oskidunker said:

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I hope not.

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Likely. Davis is D1 Basketball, so they'll likely have better/bigger players to a degree.
I expect the Bears play better than they did, but they do have 6 new players. Hopefully Clayton is healthy and we see more of him. He's a 1,500 point scorer a similar level to Davis.

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Cal has four new scholarship players as far as I am aware, two transfers and two freshmen. I do like Fox's excuse talking points.

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I'm counting Bowser and to a lesser degree Roberson based on how little they have played due to injuries.

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I don't think you should. Bowser is in his third year in the program, Roberson in his second. And why do you want to be repeating Fox's excuses?

Cal has three fourth year seniors and two experienced transfers. It is a veteran team. They are bad because they are bad.

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I'm thinking maybe let them play an actual game before declaring them bad. Why rush?

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I thought we were talking about the Chico game.

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It was an exhibition game. It was not a regular season game.

Alkiadt said:

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sluggo said:

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graguna said:

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sluggo said:

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Alkiadt said:

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sluggo said:

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Alkiadt said:

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oskidunker said:

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I hope not.

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Likely. Davis is D1 Basketball, so they'll likely have better/bigger players to a degree.
I expect the Bears play better than they did, but they do have 6 new players. Hopefully Clayton is healthy and we see more of him. He's a 1,500 point scorer a similar level to Davis.

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Cal has four new scholarship players as far as I am aware, two transfers and two freshmen. I do like Fox's excuse talking points.

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I'm counting Bowser and to a lesser degree Roberson based on how little they have played due to injuries.

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I don't think you should. Bowser is in his third year in the program, Roberson in his second. And why do you want to be repeating Fox's excuses?

Cal has three fourth year seniors and two experienced transfers. It is a veteran team. They are bad because they are bad.

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I'm thinking maybe let them play an actual game before declaring them bad. Why rush?

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I thought we were talking about the Chico game.

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It was an exhibition game. It was not a regular season game.

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yup. i cant imagine in CAL's first regular ssason game Roberson will play more minutes than Brown. But, if your chosen narrative is that we suck, then its best to ignore things like that.

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Alkiadt said:

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sluggo said:

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graguna said:

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sluggo said:

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Alkiadt said:

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sluggo said:

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Alkiadt said:

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oskidunker said:

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I hope not.

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Likely. Davis is D1 Basketball, so they'll likely have better/bigger players to a degree.
I expect the Bears play better than they did, but they do have 6 new players. Hopefully Clayton is healthy and we see more of him. He's a 1,500 point scorer a similar level to Davis.

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Cal has four new scholarship players as far as I am aware, two transfers and two freshmen. I do like Fox's excuse talking points.

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I'm counting Bowser and to a lesser degree Roberson based on how little they have played due to injuries.

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I don't think you should. Bowser is in his third year in the program, Roberson in his second. And why do you want to be repeating Fox's excuses?

Cal has three fourth year seniors and two experienced transfers. It is a veteran team. They are bad because they are bad.

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I'm thinking maybe let them play an actual game before declaring them bad. Why rush?

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I thought we were talking about the Chico game.

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It was an exhibition game. It was not a regular season game.

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yup. i cant imagine in CAL's first regular ssason game Roberson will play more minutes than Brown. But, if your chosen narrative is that we suck, then its best to ignore things like that.

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I believe we will see a lot more of Clayton based on his experience and ability to score. I understand he is not an exceptional outside shooting threat, but he has the ability to score based on his stats.

Alkiadt said:

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I believe we will see a lot more of Clayton based on his experience and ability to score. I understand he is not an exceptional outside shooting threat, but he has the ability to score based on his stats.

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Shepherd 2.0?

joe amos yaks said:

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UC Davis is huge and fast with a PG who slices the opposition with Cousy-like accuracy.
4 players 6'9"+ and 4 players 6'7". What they lack in experience they make up for in talent and smarts.

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Coach Les runs a perimeter offense and typically only plays one big for defense. Lots of new players, and they lost their stud PG and team leader Ezra Manjon to Vanderbilt.

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Alkiadt said:

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calumnus said:

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Alkiadt said:

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sluggo said:

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Alkiadt said:

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sluggo said:

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Alkiadt said:

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oskidunker said:

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I hope not.

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Likely. Davis is D1 Basketball, so they'll likely have better/bigger players to a degree.
I expect the Bears play better than they did, but they do have 6 new players. Hopefully Clayton is healthy and we see more of him. He's a 1,500 point scorer a similar level to Davis.

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Cal has four new scholarship players as far as I am aware, two transfers and two freshmen. I do like Fox's excuse talking points.

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I'm counting Bowser and to a lesser degree Roberson based on how little they have played due to injuries.

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I don't think you should. Bowser is in his third year in the program, Roberson in his second. And why do you want to be repeating Fox's excuses?

Cal has three fourth year seniors and two experienced transfers. It is a veteran team. They are bad because they are bad.

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Bowser hasn't played more than 3 halves of ball in his total time here. And the minutes were never significant IIRC. And he missed significant practice time due to two different injuries. My hope is he helps with his outside shooting at some point. We'll see, I'm not predicting success but I'll hold judgement.

I didn't read in any "excuses" from Fox, so that's an opinion you're entitled to. I am looking forward to new players and what they bring. If all 6 do contribute that's a sizable turnover in a 9 man rotation no matter how you look at it. And you've already decided the two transfers are part of this "bad" team? One of which was limited to two minutes stints as an injury precaution in an exhibition? Ok.

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You seem to be close to the staff. Can you explain how being limited to two minute stints is a precaution against injury? What is the logic there?

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Leg muscle pulls that are healing can be pulled again. Very common to re-tweak a hamstring or calf. Being cautious is routine to try to avoid re-injury.

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The boxscore said Clayton played 15 minutes. Did he play seven two minute stints?

I understand playing less after injury. I think it is more typical after injury to play in fewer stretches with the idea that the warming and cooling is an injury risk.

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Exactly. 7 two-minute stretches seems more likely to aggravate an injury than prevent one. Strange, never heard of that before.

calumnus said:

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sluggo said:

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Alkiadt said:

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calumnus said:

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Alkiadt said:

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sluggo said:

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Alkiadt said:

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sluggo said:

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Alkiadt said:

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oskidunker said:

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I hope not.

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Likely. Davis is D1 Basketball, so they'll likely have better/bigger players to a degree.
I expect the Bears play better than they did, but they do have 6 new players. Hopefully Clayton is healthy and we see more of him. He's a 1,500 point scorer a similar level to Davis.

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Cal has four new scholarship players as far as I am aware, two transfers and two freshmen. I do like Fox's excuse talking points.

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I'm counting Bowser and to a lesser degree Roberson based on how little they have played due to injuries.

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I don't think you should. Bowser is in his third year in the program, Roberson in his second. And why do you want to be repeating Fox's excuses?

Cal has three fourth year seniors and two experienced transfers. It is a veteran team. They are bad because they are bad.

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Bowser hasn't played more than 3 halves of ball in his total time here. And the minutes were never significant IIRC. And he missed significant practice time due to two different injuries. My hope is he helps with his outside shooting at some point. We'll see, I'm not predicting success but I'll hold judgement.

I didn't read in any "excuses" from Fox, so that's an opinion you're entitled to. I am looking forward to new players and what they bring. If all 6 do contribute that's a sizable turnover in a 9 man rotation no matter how you look at it. And you've already decided the two transfers are part of this "bad" team? One of which was limited to two minutes stints as an injury precaution in an exhibition? Ok.

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You seem to be close to the staff. Can you explain how being limited to two minute stints is a precaution against injury? What is the logic there?

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Leg muscle pulls that are healing can be pulled again. Very common to re-tweak a hamstring or calf. Being cautious is routine to try to avoid re-injury.

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The boxscore said Clayton played 15 minutes. Did he play seven two minute stints?

I understand playing less after injury. I think it is more typical after injury to play in fewer stretches with the idea that the warming and cooling is an injury risk.

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Exactly. 7 two-minute stretches seems more likely to aggravate an injury than prevent one. Strange, never heard of that before.

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Not sure if they held to exactly 2 minutes per check-in. That's kind of hard to do based on the flow of the action. I don't remember how many times he entered the game, but I doubt it was 7 separate times for 2 minutes. Regardless he was getting limited time based on a coaches decision to do so. My original point was this was an exhibition game, and they used him in limited situations based on an injury. So I wouldn't take much away from his performance, which some posters were doing.
I expect him to be starting much of the time when fully cleared and healthy. Last thing they want is a recurrence that holds him out for a longer period of time. They need all the points the can muster this year.

At the time I thought everyone was going in and out too quickly. I didn't know it was related to injuries.