oskidunker said:

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I guess we are going to hear this before every game. Hard to understand why.

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calumnus said:

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oskidunker said:

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I guess we are going to hear this before every game. Hard to understand why.

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"Indians"?

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stu said:

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I guess we can't build a practice facility on stolen land.

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oskidunker said:

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I guess we are going to hear this before every game. Hard to understand why.

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PtownBear1 said:

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Was part of the land a burial ground? A curse would explain a lot

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concordtom said:

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You're brazenly insensitive in this thread, and I find that troubling.

Nonetheless, I do have a question for you: what is this announcement you speak of?
Details please.
Thx.

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PtownBear1 said:

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Was part of the land a burial ground? A curse would explain a lot

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bearister said:

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The Dwinelle Hall Annex is also a burial ground for the remains of History majors that got lost there in the 1970's and were never seen again.



*They showed Deep Throat at Dwinelle when I was at Cal. How weird was that?

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concernedparent said:

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NVBear78 said:

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Please tell me this is a joke! Wokeness is brokeness.

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I'm okay with doing away with all ceremonial pronouncements at sporting events. Including the anthem.

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AunBear89 said:

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Easily the dumbest post ever on this board. Right Wing Faux Outrage knows no bounds.

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socaltownie said:

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This is actually becoming pretty common at UCs and CSUs. For example, on my son's tour of SLO (we are knee deep in College tours) they kicked things off that way. The CSU my business partners with also kicks off public events with an acknowledgment of traditional lands. Usually it takes the form of "I want to aknowledge the First people of these lands and that we hold this event on the traditional homeland of the XXX People."

I am of 2 minds of it. First, the historian in me knows that whomever "had" the land at the time of European conquest probably didn't have the land at the time of the land bridge with Asia. So the idea that it is "ancestoral" just isn't culturally or anthropologically accurate in many (most?) instances. The story of humananity is constant conflict between "us" and the "other". And we know that the whole mythos of indylic peacefulness of the americas' before arrival of Europeans is ridiculous.

Second, I don't see the harm and it is probably not a bad thing to bring attention to California Native American's. Anything that makes people think about history is a good thing in my book.

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socaltownie said:

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This is actually becoming pretty common at UCs and CSUs. For example, on my son's tour of SLO (we are knee deep in College tours) they kicked things off that way. The CSU my business partners with also kicks off public events with an acknowledgment of traditional lands. Usually it takes the form of "I want to aknowledge the First people of these lands and that we hold this event on the traditional homeland of the XXX People."

I am of 2 minds of it. First, the historian in me knows that whomever "had" the land at the time of European conquest probably didn't have the land at the time of the land bridge with Asia. So the idea that it is "ancestoral" just isn't culturally or anthropologically accurate in many (most?) instances. The story of humananity is constant conflict between "us" and the "other". And we know that the whole mythos of indylic peacefulness of the americas' before arrival of Europeans is ridiculous.

Second, I don't see the harm and it is probably not a bad thing to bring attention to California Native American's. Anything that makes people think about history is a good thing in my book.

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AunBear89 said:

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Easily the dumbest post ever on this board. Right Wing Faux Outrage knows no bounds.

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calumnus said:

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socaltownie said:

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This is actually becoming pretty common at UCs and CSUs. For example, on my son's tour of SLO (we are knee deep in College tours) they kicked things off that way. The CSU my business partners with also kicks off public events with an acknowledgment of traditional lands. Usually it takes the form of "I want to aknowledge the First people of these lands and that we hold this event on the traditional homeland of the XXX People."

I am of 2 minds of it. First, the historian in me knows that whomever "had" the land at the time of European conquest probably didn't have the land at the time of the land bridge with Asia. So the idea that it is "ancestoral" just isn't culturally or anthropologically accurate in many (most?) instances. The story of humananity is constant conflict between "us" and the "other". And we know that the whole mythos of indylic peacefulness of the americas' before arrival of Europeans is ridiculous.

Second, I don't see the harm and it is probably not a bad thing to bring attention to California Native American's. Anything that makes people think about history is a good thing in my book.

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The evidence is that the Ohlone/Miwok culture lived in the Bay continuously for thousands of years. When the Europeans arrived the landmarks were the many huge shell mound middens next to the Bay, over 100 feet high, from millions and millions of meals of clams, oysters and mussels, plus stealhead trout, salmon, Dungeness crab, deer, elk, ducks and geese eaten with acorn fry bread. With so much high quality food readily available year round there was not a lot of conflict.

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socaltownie said:

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calumnus said:

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socaltownie said:

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This is actually becoming pretty common at UCs and CSUs. For example, on my son's tour of SLO (we are knee deep in College tours) they kicked things off that way. The CSU my business partners with also kicks off public events with an acknowledgment of traditional lands. Usually it takes the form of "I want to aknowledge the First people of these lands and that we hold this event on the traditional homeland of the XXX People."

I am of 2 minds of it. First, the historian in me knows that whomever "had" the land at the time of European conquest probably didn't have the land at the time of the land bridge with Asia. So the idea that it is "ancestoral" just isn't culturally or anthropologically accurate in many (most?) instances. The story of humananity is constant conflict between "us" and the "other". And we know that the whole mythos of indylic peacefulness of the americas' before arrival of Europeans is ridiculous.

Second, I don't see the harm and it is probably not a bad thing to bring attention to California Native American's. Anything that makes people think about history is a good thing in my book.

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The evidence is that the Ohlone/Miwok culture lived in the Bay continuously for thousands of years. When the Europeans arrived the landmarks were the many huge shell mound middens next to the Bay, over 100 feet high, from millions and millions of meals of clams, oysters and mussels, plus stealhead trout, salmon, Dungeness crab, deer, elk, ducks and geese eaten with acorn fry bread. With so much high quality food readily available year round there was not a lot of conflict.

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Absent being able to examine written language and a wide range of cultural artifacts it is really difficult to determine patterns of migration and conflict.

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