Not true!! Roberson was player of year and a top 100 kid. He has played him out of position and never embraced him at all. And Askew is not a scorer. He is being asked to do something he is not capable of. He is shooting 30% from the field. Instead he should be trying to get other guys easy shots. Also kids can't play looking over there shoulders and being taken out of the game after 1 to 2 min of play. He allows non of the bench guys to play or get a feel. Player development is terrible!!

Coaches can decline covid year!!!

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Do we need to run players off?

Kuany, Lars, Clayton, Joel and Hyder should all be gone at the end of this season. That gives us 5 open spots. Rodney Brown and Devin Curtis take up 2 of those spots so we should have space available for a new coach to recruit 3 more players.

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Does anyone remember when many/most here were claiming it was a good thing Wyking recruits left? And then we replaced them all with guys who had a fraction of the talent.

No question we do not have the roster to compete in the Pac 12. As I said elsewhere, that isn't the question. The question is whether you actually get better replacements. I don't know why anyone is so sure that is going to happen. Not saying it won't, but I don't see that as a sure thing. And you better give the new coach, if there is in fact one, a little breathing room, because we are not in a position to recruit guys that can change the trajectory of this program in one year.

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If you get a coach that is a positive motivator and likable, has West Coast recruiting ties, plays a style of basketball kids want to play in, and/or back him up with serious NIL, we will get MUCH better recruits than we are getting/will get with Fox. I am 100% certain.

If the program starts improving in W/Ls and has upward momentum, the recruiting will only increase.

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Not true!! Roberson was player of year and a top 100 kid. He has played him out of position and never embraced him at all. And Askew is not a scorer. He is being asked to do something he is not capable of. He is shooting 30% from the field. Instead he should be trying to get other guys easy shots. Also kids can't play looking over there shoulders and being taken out of the game after 1 to 2 min of play. He allows non of the bench guys to play or get a feel. Player development is terrible!!

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High school rankings prove college success? Not really. What position does Roberson play given he can't shoot (1 three pointer since arriving at Cal), pass (averaging a staggering 5 turnovers per 40 minutes), or dribble. If there was a league for chase down blocks, he would be valuable. He needs to transfer down a level or two.

I don't like all the subbing, it breaks rhythm. I agree that player development is poor. But players need to be recruited with reasonable fundamentals, which is not happening.

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Rashad1010 said:

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Not true!! Roberson was player of year and a top 100 kid. He has played him out of position and never embraced him at all. And Askew is not a scorer. He is being asked to do something he is not capable of. He is shooting 30% from the field. Instead he should be trying to get other guys easy shots. Also kids can't play looking over there shoulders and being taken out of the game after 1 to 2 min of play. He allows non of the bench guys to play or get a feel. Player development is terrible!!

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High school rankings prove college success? Not really. What position does Roberson play given he can't shoot (1 three pointer since arriving at Cal), pass (averaging a staggering 5 turnovers per 40 minutes), or dribble. If there was a league for chase down blocks, he would be valuable. He needs to transfer down a level or two.

I don't like all the subbing, it breaks rhythm. I agree that player development is poor. But players need to be recruited with reasonable fundamentals, which is not happening.

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I think you are thinking of Marsallis Robinson.
Wren Robinson has had 1 make-out of 2 attempts. Very limited playing time. Only on the team about a month.

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sluggo said:

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Rashad1010 said:

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Not true!! Roberson was player of year and a top 100 kid. He has played him out of position and never embraced him at all. And Askew is not a scorer. He is being asked to do something he is not capable of. He is shooting 30% from the field. Instead he should be trying to get other guys easy shots. Also kids can't play looking over there shoulders and being taken out of the game after 1 to 2 min of play. He allows non of the bench guys to play or get a feel. Player development is terrible!!

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High school rankings prove college success? Not really. What position does Roberson play given he can't shoot (1 three pointer since arriving at Cal), pass (averaging a staggering 5 turnovers per 40 minutes), or dribble. If there was a league for chase down blocks, he would be valuable. He needs to transfer down a level or two.

I don't like all the subbing, it breaks rhythm. I agree that player development is poor. But players need to be recruited with reasonable fundamentals, which is not happening.

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I think you are thinking of Marsallis Robinson.
Wren Robinson has had 1 make-out of 2 attempts. Very limited playing time. Only on the team about a month.

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No he is talking about Marsalis Roberson who is 1-11 (.063) from 3 and averages 4.1 points per 40 minutes.

Wrenn Robinson shot 40% from 3 at SFCC and is 1-2 at Cal. He has not played enough, but based on his limited play is our most valuable player in the advanced stats. With all the players out at the 1-2 and the complete dearth of 3 point shooters, giving him more opportunities seems like a no-brainer.

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oskidunker said:

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sluggo said:

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Rashad1010 said:

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Not true!! Roberson was player of year and a top 100 kid. He has played him out of position and never embraced him at all. And Askew is not a scorer. He is being asked to do something he is not capable of. He is shooting 30% from the field. Instead he should be trying to get other guys easy shots. Also kids can't play looking over there shoulders and being taken out of the game after 1 to 2 min of play. He allows non of the bench guys to play or get a feel. Player development is terrible!!

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High school rankings prove college success? Not really. What position does Roberson play given he can't shoot (1 three pointer since arriving at Cal), pass (averaging a staggering 5 turnovers per 40 minutes), or dribble. If there was a league for chase down blocks, he would be valuable. He needs to transfer down a level or two.

I don't like all the subbing, it breaks rhythm. I agree that player development is poor. But players need to be recruited with reasonable fundamentals, which is not happening.

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I think you are thinking of Marsallis Robinson.
Wren Robinson has had 1 make-out of 2 attempts. Very limited playing time. Only on the team about a month.

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No he is talking about Marsalis Roberson who is 1-11 (.063) from 3 and averages 4.1 points per 40 minutes.

Wrenn Robinson shot 40% from 3 at SFCC and is 1-2 at Cal. He has not played enough, but based on his limited play is our most valuable player in the advanced stats. With all the players out at the 1-2 and the complete dearth of 3 point shooters, giving him more opportunities seems like a no-brainer.

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Doesn't Marsalis have that weird shot or is that Bowser?

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oskidunker said:

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sluggo said:

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Rashad1010 said:

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Not true!! Roberson was player of year and a top 100 kid. He has played him out of position and never embraced him at all. And Askew is not a scorer. He is being asked to do something he is not capable of. He is shooting 30% from the field. Instead he should be trying to get other guys easy shots. Also kids can't play looking over there shoulders and being taken out of the game after 1 to 2 min of play. He allows non of the bench guys to play or get a feel. Player development is terrible!!

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High school rankings prove college success? Not really. What position does Roberson play given he can't shoot (1 three pointer since arriving at Cal), pass (averaging a staggering 5 turnovers per 40 minutes), or dribble. If there was a league for chase down blocks, he would be valuable. He needs to transfer down a level or two.

I don't like all the subbing, it breaks rhythm. I agree that player development is poor. But players need to be recruited with reasonable fundamentals, which is not happening.

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I think you are thinking of Marsallis Robinson.
Wren Robinson has had 1 make-out of 2 attempts. Very limited playing time. Only on the team about a month.

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No he is talking about Marsalis Roberson who is 1-11 (.063) from 3 and averages 4.1 points per 40 minutes.

Wrenn Robinson shot 40% from 3 at SFCC and is 1-2 at Cal. He has not played enough, but based on his limited play is our most valuable player in the advanced stats. With all the players out at the 1-2 and the complete dearth of 3 point shooters, giving him more opportunities seems like a no-brainer.

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He started 8 of 31 games and averaged 10ppg for CCSF, shooting 39% from 3, 40% overall and 84% on FTs. In his highlight video he doesn't look like a P5 athlete to me. Given how crappy our team is maybe he could have some role as a spot up shooter type player but he's not a player you'd normally expect us to rely on. And even then our terrible offense when combined with his lesser athleticism probably means he won't get open looks once teams realize he can shoot.

BearlyCareAnymore said:

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tequila4kapp said:

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calumnus said:

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oskidunker said:

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sluggo said:

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Rashad1010 said:

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Not true!! Roberson was player of year and a top 100 kid. He has played him out of position and never embraced him at all. And Askew is not a scorer. He is being asked to do something he is not capable of. He is shooting 30% from the field. Instead he should be trying to get other guys easy shots. Also kids can't play looking over there shoulders and being taken out of the game after 1 to 2 min of play. He allows non of the bench guys to play or get a feel. Player development is terrible!!

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High school rankings prove college success? Not really. What position does Roberson play given he can't shoot (1 three pointer since arriving at Cal), pass (averaging a staggering 5 turnovers per 40 minutes), or dribble. If there was a league for chase down blocks, he would be valuable. He needs to transfer down a level or two.

I don't like all the subbing, it breaks rhythm. I agree that player development is poor. But players need to be recruited with reasonable fundamentals, which is not happening.

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I think you are thinking of Marsallis Robinson.
Wren Robinson has had 1 make-out of 2 attempts. Very limited playing time. Only on the team about a month.

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No he is talking about Marsalis Roberson who is 1-11 (.063) from 3 and averages 4.1 points per 40 minutes.

Wrenn Robinson shot 40% from 3 at SFCC and is 1-2 at Cal. He has not played enough, but based on his limited play is our most valuable player in the advanced stats. With all the players out at the 1-2 and the complete dearth of 3 point shooters, giving him more opportunities seems like a no-brainer.

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He started 8 of 31 games and averaged 10ppg for CCSF, shooting 39% from 3, 40% overall and 84% on FTs. In his highlight video he doesn't look like a P5 athlete to me. Given how crappy our team is maybe he could have some role as a spot up shooter type player but he's not a player you'd normally expect us to rely on. And even then our terrible offense when combined with his lesser athleticism probably means he won't get open looks once teams realize he can shoot.

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We are criticizing the coach for not playing a non preferred walkon we've barely seen when we should be criticizing the coach for being in the position that anyone would even entertain the notion.

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We're grasping at straws, hoping maybe ai guy who can shoot might be a better choice than a guy who can' and wont shoot when wide open. What would it hurt to try him at shooting guard? We could not be any worse. Playing Brown at that position is beyond stupid .. keep doing the same thing while expecting different results.

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tequila4kapp said:

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calumnus said:

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oskidunker said:

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sluggo said:

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Rashad1010 said:

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Not true!! Roberson was player of year and a top 100 kid. He has played him out of position and never embraced him at all. And Askew is not a scorer. He is being asked to do something he is not capable of. He is shooting 30% from the field. Instead he should be trying to get other guys easy shots. Also kids can't play looking over there shoulders and being taken out of the game after 1 to 2 min of play. He allows non of the bench guys to play or get a feel. Player development is terrible!!

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High school rankings prove college success? Not really. What position does Roberson play given he can't shoot (1 three pointer since arriving at Cal), pass (averaging a staggering 5 turnovers per 40 minutes), or dribble. If there was a league for chase down blocks, he would be valuable. He needs to transfer down a level or two.

I don't like all the subbing, it breaks rhythm. I agree that player development is poor. But players need to be recruited with reasonable fundamentals, which is not happening.

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I think you are thinking of Marsallis Robinson.
Wren Robinson has had 1 make-out of 2 attempts. Very limited playing time. Only on the team about a month.

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No he is talking about Marsalis Roberson who is 1-11 (.063) from 3 and averages 4.1 points per 40 minutes.

Wrenn Robinson shot 40% from 3 at SFCC and is 1-2 at Cal. He has not played enough, but based on his limited play is our most valuable player in the advanced stats. With all the players out at the 1-2 and the complete dearth of 3 point shooters, giving him more opportunities seems like a no-brainer.

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He started 8 of 31 games and averaged 10ppg for CCSF, shooting 39% from 3, 40% overall and 84% on FTs. In his highlight video he doesn't look like a P5 athlete to me. Given how crappy our team is maybe he could have some role as a spot up shooter type player but he's not a player you'd normally expect us to rely on. And even then our terrible offense when combined with his lesser athleticism probably means he won't get open looks once teams realize he can shoot.

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We are criticizing the coach for not playing a non preferred walkon we've barely seen when we should be criticizing the coach for being in the position that anyone would even entertain the notion.

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I am not really "criticizing the coach" in this instance, so much as I am advocating for a player in this forum. Too many people write off walk-ons, even when it is obvious they can fill a need on the team (even if only due to injuries). I had many arguments with people on this board that thought Thurman should not see the floor, and that was on a much better Cal team.

did Wrenn play with the 2 ex-Cal players? (i think they missed each other by a year or two, but not sure)

wrenn reminds me of a player i used to play with before the pandemic. he was invite to SJSU for a tryout to be a walk on

undersized but could shoot the light outs with unlimited range

but although he could shoot against a bunch of scrubs, he wouldn't get as good of looks against D1 players and his defense was suspect

my guess is its his defense that will keep him off the court except in emergency situations

however given our shooting woes, you should not count him out

When you are 0-11, you have to think outside the box. I would have Wrenn jack it 18 times per game from trifectorville until we win one and then I would reevaluate.

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calumnus said:

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BearlyCareAnymore said:

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tequila4kapp said:

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calumnus said:

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oskidunker said:

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sluggo said:

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Rashad1010 said:

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Not true!! Roberson was player of year and a top 100 kid. He has played him out of position and never embraced him at all. And Askew is not a scorer. He is being asked to do something he is not capable of. He is shooting 30% from the field. Instead he should be trying to get other guys easy shots. Also kids can't play looking over there shoulders and being taken out of the game after 1 to 2 min of play. He allows non of the bench guys to play or get a feel. Player development is terrible!!

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High school rankings prove college success? Not really. What position does Roberson play given he can't shoot (1 three pointer since arriving at Cal), pass (averaging a staggering 5 turnovers per 40 minutes), or dribble. If there was a league for chase down blocks, he would be valuable. He needs to transfer down a level or two.

I don't like all the subbing, it breaks rhythm. I agree that player development is poor. But players need to be recruited with reasonable fundamentals, which is not happening.

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I think you are thinking of Marsallis Robinson.
Wren Robinson has had 1 make-out of 2 attempts. Very limited playing time. Only on the team about a month.

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No he is talking about Marsalis Roberson who is 1-11 (.063) from 3 and averages 4.1 points per 40 minutes.

Wrenn Robinson shot 40% from 3 at SFCC and is 1-2 at Cal. He has not played enough, but based on his limited play is our most valuable player in the advanced stats. With all the players out at the 1-2 and the complete dearth of 3 point shooters, giving him more opportunities seems like a no-brainer.

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He started 8 of 31 games and averaged 10ppg for CCSF, shooting 39% from 3, 40% overall and 84% on FTs. In his highlight video he doesn't look like a P5 athlete to me. Given how crappy our team is maybe he could have some role as a spot up shooter type player but he's not a player you'd normally expect us to rely on. And even then our terrible offense when combined with his lesser athleticism probably means he won't get open looks once teams realize he can shoot.

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We are criticizing the coach for not playing a non preferred walkon we've barely seen when we should be criticizing the coach for being in the position that anyone would even entertain the notion.

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I am not really "criticizing the coach" in this instance, so much as I am advocating for a player in this forum. Too many people write off walk-ons, even when it is obvious they can fill a need on the team (even if only due to injuries). I had many arguments with people on this board that thought Thurman should not see the floor, and that was on a much better Cal team.

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You also had many arguments on this board about Geoffrey Frid. But I digress.

I never write off walk-ons. I also don't write them on either. There is zero reason to believe a walk-on should play until the coach actually puts him out there in meaningful situations. Walk-ons perform a vital function and it is largely a thankless job, but for most, that function is essentially as a sparing partner for the starters. Robinson is clearly a good pick up for that purpose. If its never more than that, okay. He didn't start most of his games at CCSF and we are arguing here that he should be getting meaningful floor time. If he earns it, great.

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At SFCC Robinson came off the bench behind, and occasionally even started over Naseem Gaskin from BOD who originally signed and enrolled at Utah under Krystkowiak but left with the coaching change (first to DeCuire and Montana, but didn't like it there) returned to CCSF rather than sit out a year and was the state championship MVP and Co-POY in league.

So Robinson competing for a starting role with Gaskin, the best player on a championship team, is a positive, not a negative. Though it might have been nice to get Gaskin, we wouldn't have gotten him as a walk-on. Robinson is found gold in that sense.

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BearlyCareAnymore said:

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calumnus said:

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BearlyCareAnymore said:

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tequila4kapp said:

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calumnus said:

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oskidunker said:

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sluggo said:

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Rashad1010 said:

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Not true!! Roberson was player of year and a top 100 kid. He has played him out of position and never embraced him at all. And Askew is not a scorer. He is being asked to do something he is not capable of. He is shooting 30% from the field. Instead he should be trying to get other guys easy shots. Also kids can't play looking over there shoulders and being taken out of the game after 1 to 2 min of play. He allows non of the bench guys to play or get a feel. Player development is terrible!!

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High school rankings prove college success? Not really. What position does Roberson play given he can't shoot (1 three pointer since arriving at Cal), pass (averaging a staggering 5 turnovers per 40 minutes), or dribble. If there was a league for chase down blocks, he would be valuable. He needs to transfer down a level or two.

I don't like all the subbing, it breaks rhythm. I agree that player development is poor. But players need to be recruited with reasonable fundamentals, which is not happening.

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I think you are thinking of Marsallis Robinson.
Wren Robinson has had 1 make-out of 2 attempts. Very limited playing time. Only on the team about a month.

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No he is talking about Marsalis Roberson who is 1-11 (.063) from 3 and averages 4.1 points per 40 minutes.

Wrenn Robinson shot 40% from 3 at SFCC and is 1-2 at Cal. He has not played enough, but based on his limited play is our most valuable player in the advanced stats. With all the players out at the 1-2 and the complete dearth of 3 point shooters, giving him more opportunities seems like a no-brainer.

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He started 8 of 31 games and averaged 10ppg for CCSF, shooting 39% from 3, 40% overall and 84% on FTs. In his highlight video he doesn't look like a P5 athlete to me. Given how crappy our team is maybe he could have some role as a spot up shooter type player but he's not a player you'd normally expect us to rely on. And even then our terrible offense when combined with his lesser athleticism probably means he won't get open looks once teams realize he can shoot.

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We are criticizing the coach for not playing a non preferred walkon we've barely seen when we should be criticizing the coach for being in the position that anyone would even entertain the notion.

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I am not really "criticizing the coach" in this instance, so much as I am advocating for a player in this forum. Too many people write off walk-ons, even when it is obvious they can fill a need on the team (even if only due to injuries). I had many arguments with people on this board that thought Thurman should not see the floor, and that was on a much better Cal team.

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You also had many arguments on this board about Geoffrey Frid. But I digress.

I never write off walk-ons. I also don't write them on either. There is zero reason to believe a walk-on should play until the coach actually puts him out there in meaningful situations. Walk-ons perform a vital function and it is largely a thankless job, but for most, that function is essentially as a sparing partner for the starters. Robinson is clearly a good pick up for that purpose. If its never more than that, okay. He didn't start most of his games at CCSF and we are arguing here that he should be getting meaningful floor time. If he earns it, great.

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He came off the bench behind, and occasionally even started over Naseem Gaskin from BOD who originally signed and enrolled at Utah under Krystkowiak but left with the coaching change (first to DeCuire and Montana, but didn't like it there) returned to CCSF rather than sit out a year and was the state championship MVP and Co-POY in league.

So competing for a starting role with Gaskin, the best player on a championship team, is a positive, not a negative. Though it might have been nice to get Gaskin, we wouldn't have gotten him as a walk-on. Robinson is found gold in that sense.

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who are you talking about? who is 'he'?

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calumnus said:

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BearlyCareAnymore said:

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tequila4kapp said:

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calumnus said:

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oskidunker said:

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sluggo said:

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Rashad1010 said:

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Not true!! Roberson was player of year and a top 100 kid. He has played him out of position and never embraced him at all. And Askew is not a scorer. He is being asked to do something he is not capable of. He is shooting 30% from the field. Instead he should be trying to get other guys easy shots. Also kids can't play looking over there shoulders and being taken out of the game after 1 to 2 min of play. He allows non of the bench guys to play or get a feel. Player development is terrible!!

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High school rankings prove college success? Not really. What position does Roberson play given he can't shoot (1 three pointer since arriving at Cal), pass (averaging a staggering 5 turnovers per 40 minutes), or dribble. If there was a league for chase down blocks, he would be valuable. He needs to transfer down a level or two.

I don't like all the subbing, it breaks rhythm. I agree that player development is poor. But players need to be recruited with reasonable fundamentals, which is not happening.

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I think you are thinking of Marsallis Robinson.
Wren Robinson has had 1 make-out of 2 attempts. Very limited playing time. Only on the team about a month.

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No he is talking about Marsalis Roberson who is 1-11 (.063) from 3 and averages 4.1 points per 40 minutes.

Wrenn Robinson shot 40% from 3 at SFCC and is 1-2 at Cal. He has not played enough, but based on his limited play is our most valuable player in the advanced stats. With all the players out at the 1-2 and the complete dearth of 3 point shooters, giving him more opportunities seems like a no-brainer.

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He started 8 of 31 games and averaged 10ppg for CCSF, shooting 39% from 3, 40% overall and 84% on FTs. In his highlight video he doesn't look like a P5 athlete to me. Given how crappy our team is maybe he could have some role as a spot up shooter type player but he's not a player you'd normally expect us to rely on. And even then our terrible offense when combined with his lesser athleticism probably means he won't get open looks once teams realize he can shoot.

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We are criticizing the coach for not playing a non preferred walkon we've barely seen when we should be criticizing the coach for being in the position that anyone would even entertain the notion.

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I am not really "criticizing the coach" in this instance, so much as I am advocating for a player in this forum. Too many people write off walk-ons, even when it is obvious they can fill a need on the team (even if only due to injuries). I had many arguments with people on this board that thought Thurman should not see the floor, and that was on a much better Cal team.

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You also had many arguments on this board about Geoffrey Frid. But I digress.

I never write off walk-ons. I also don't write them on either. There is zero reason to believe a walk-on should play until the coach actually puts him out there in meaningful situations. Walk-ons perform a vital function and it is largely a thankless job, but for most, that function is essentially as a sparing partner for the starters. Robinson is clearly a good pick up for that purpose. If its never more than that, okay. He didn't start most of his games at CCSF and we are arguing here that he should be getting meaningful floor time. If he earns it, great.

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BTW, 7'2" walk-on Geoffrey Frid endend up playing professionally in Israel for 3 years.

I still don't know why you would run a 7'2" freshman walk-on off your team. As I said at the time, work on his development, you might be surprised by the time he is a junior or senior. It doesn't cost you a scholarship.

That year Thurman was a Senior Former walk-on averaging 17 min.

We subsequently used scholarships on 7' projects Rooks and Okoroh. Having your 7 projects be walkons seems like a no brainer.

UCLA walk-on center Mark Eaton barely played, Utah drafted him as a gamble and he eventually became an NBA All-Star.

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calumnus said:

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BearlyCareAnymore said:

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calumnus said:

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BearlyCareAnymore said:

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tequila4kapp said:

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calumnus said:

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oskidunker said:

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sluggo said:

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Rashad1010 said:

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Not true!! Roberson was player of year and a top 100 kid. He has played him out of position and never embraced him at all. And Askew is not a scorer. He is being asked to do something he is not capable of. He is shooting 30% from the field. Instead he should be trying to get other guys easy shots. Also kids can't play looking over there shoulders and being taken out of the game after 1 to 2 min of play. He allows non of the bench guys to play or get a feel. Player development is terrible!!

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High school rankings prove college success? Not really. What position does Roberson play given he can't shoot (1 three pointer since arriving at Cal), pass (averaging a staggering 5 turnovers per 40 minutes), or dribble. If there was a league for chase down blocks, he would be valuable. He needs to transfer down a level or two.

I don't like all the subbing, it breaks rhythm. I agree that player development is poor. But players need to be recruited with reasonable fundamentals, which is not happening.

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I think you are thinking of Marsallis Robinson.
Wren Robinson has had 1 make-out of 2 attempts. Very limited playing time. Only on the team about a month.

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No he is talking about Marsalis Roberson who is 1-11 (.063) from 3 and averages 4.1 points per 40 minutes.

Wrenn Robinson shot 40% from 3 at SFCC and is 1-2 at Cal. He has not played enough, but based on his limited play is our most valuable player in the advanced stats. With all the players out at the 1-2 and the complete dearth of 3 point shooters, giving him more opportunities seems like a no-brainer.

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He started 8 of 31 games and averaged 10ppg for CCSF, shooting 39% from 3, 40% overall and 84% on FTs. In his highlight video he doesn't look like a P5 athlete to me. Given how crappy our team is maybe he could have some role as a spot up shooter type player but he's not a player you'd normally expect us to rely on. And even then our terrible offense when combined with his lesser athleticism probably means he won't get open looks once teams realize he can shoot.

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We are criticizing the coach for not playing a non preferred walkon we've barely seen when we should be criticizing the coach for being in the position that anyone would even entertain the notion.

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I am not really "criticizing the coach" in this instance, so much as I am advocating for a player in this forum. Too many people write off walk-ons, even when it is obvious they can fill a need on the team (even if only due to injuries). I had many arguments with people on this board that thought Thurman should not see the floor, and that was on a much better Cal team.

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You also had many arguments on this board about Geoffrey Frid. But I digress.

I never write off walk-ons. I also don't write them on either. There is zero reason to believe a walk-on should play until the coach actually puts him out there in meaningful situations. Walk-ons perform a vital function and it is largely a thankless job, but for most, that function is essentially as a sparing partner for the starters. Robinson is clearly a good pick up for that purpose. If its never more than that, okay. He didn't start most of his games at CCSF and we are arguing here that he should be getting meaningful floor time. If he earns it, great.

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He came off the bench behind, and occasionally even started over Naseem Gaskin from BOD who originally signed and enrolled at Utah under Krystkowiak but left with the coaching change (first to DeCuire and Montana, but didn't like it there) returned to CCSF rather than sit out a year and was the state championship MVP and Co-POY in league.

So competing for a starting role with Gaskin, the best player on a championship team, is a positive, not a negative. Though it might have been nice to get Gaskin, we wouldn't have gotten him as a walk-on. Robinson is found gold in that sense.

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who are you talking about? who is 'he'?

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Wrenn Robinson. I edited my post to make it clear.

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Not true!! Roberson was player of year and a top 100 kid. He has played him out of position and never embraced him at all. And Askew is not a scorer. He is being asked to do something he is not capable of. He is shooting 30% from the field. Instead he should be trying to get other guys easy shots. Also kids can't play looking over there shoulders and being taken out of the game after 1 to 2 min of play. He allows non of the bench guys to play or get a feel. Player development is terrible!!

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High school rankings prove college success? Not really. What position does Roberson play given he can't shoot (1 three pointer since arriving at Cal), pass (averaging a staggering 5 turnovers per 40 minutes), or dribble. If there was a league for chase down blocks, he would be valuable. He needs to transfer down a level or two.

I don't like all the subbing, it breaks rhythm. I agree that player development is poor. But players need to be recruited with reasonable fundamentals, which is not happening.

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I think you are thinking of Marsallis Robinson.
Wren Robinson has had 1 make-out of 2 attempts. Very limited playing time. Only on the team about a month.

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No he is talking about Marsalis Roberson who is 1-11 (.063) from 3 and averages 4.1 points per 40 minutes.

Wrenn Robinson shot 40% from 3 at SFCC and is 1-2 at Cal. He has not played enough, but based on his limited play is our most valuable player in the advanced stats. With all the players out at the 1-2 and the complete dearth of 3 point shooters, giving him more opportunities seems like a no-brainer.

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He started 8 of 31 games and averaged 10ppg for CCSF, shooting 39% from 3, 40% overall and 84% on FTs. In his highlight video he doesn't look like a P5 athlete to me. Given how crappy our team is maybe he could have some role as a spot up shooter type player but he's not a player you'd normally expect us to rely on. And even then our terrible offense when combined with his lesser athleticism probably means he won't get open looks once teams realize he can shoot.

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We are criticizing the coach for not playing a non preferred walkon we've barely seen when we should be criticizing the coach for being in the position that anyone would even entertain the notion.

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I am not really "criticizing the coach" in this instance, so much as I am advocating for a player in this forum. Too many people write off walk-ons, even when it is obvious they can fill a need on the team (even if only due to injuries). I had many arguments with people on this board that thought Thurman should not see the floor, and that was on a much better Cal team.

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You also had many arguments on this board about Geoffrey Frid. But I digress.

I never write off walk-ons. I also don't write them on either. There is zero reason to believe a walk-on should play until the coach actually puts him out there in meaningful situations. Walk-ons perform a vital function and it is largely a thankless job, but for most, that function is essentially as a sparing partner for the starters. Robinson is clearly a good pick up for that purpose. If its never more than that, okay. He didn't start most of his games at CCSF and we are arguing here that he should be getting meaningful floor time. If he earns it, great.

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He came off the bench behind, and occasionally even started over Naseem Gaskin from BOD who originally signed and enrolled at Utah under Krystkowiak but left with the coaching change (first to DeCuire and Montana, but didn't like it there) returned to CCSF rather than sit out a year and was the state championship MVP and Co-POY in league.

So competing for a starting role with Gaskin, the best player on a championship team, is a positive, not a negative. Though it might have been nice to get Gaskin, we wouldn't have gotten him as a walk-on. Robinson is found gold in that sense.

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who are you talking about? who is 'he'?

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Wrenn Robinson. I edited my post to make it clear.

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oh got it. thanks for editing. I will assume you're not an english major

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Not true!! Roberson was player of year and a top 100 kid. He has played him out of position and never embraced him at all. And Askew is not a scorer. He is being asked to do something he is not capable of. He is shooting 30% from the field. Instead he should be trying to get other guys easy shots. Also kids can't play looking over there shoulders and being taken out of the game after 1 to 2 min of play. He allows non of the bench guys to play or get a feel. Player development is terrible!!

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High school rankings prove college success? Not really. What position does Roberson play given he can't shoot (1 three pointer since arriving at Cal), pass (averaging a staggering 5 turnovers per 40 minutes), or dribble. If there was a league for chase down blocks, he would be valuable. He needs to transfer down a level or two.

I don't like all the subbing, it breaks rhythm. I agree that player development is poor. But players need to be recruited with reasonable fundamentals, which is not happening.

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I think you are thinking of Marsallis Robinson.
Wren Robinson has had 1 make-out of 2 attempts. Very limited playing time. Only on the team about a month.

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No he is talking about Marsalis Roberson who is 1-11 (.063) from 3 and averages 4.1 points per 40 minutes.

Wrenn Robinson shot 40% from 3 at SFCC and is 1-2 at Cal. He has not played enough, but based on his limited play is our most valuable player in the advanced stats. With all the players out at the 1-2 and the complete dearth of 3 point shooters, giving him more opportunities seems like a no-brainer.

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He started 8 of 31 games and averaged 10ppg for CCSF, shooting 39% from 3, 40% overall and 84% on FTs. In his highlight video he doesn't look like a P5 athlete to me. Given how crappy our team is maybe he could have some role as a spot up shooter type player but he's not a player you'd normally expect us to rely on. And even then our terrible offense when combined with his lesser athleticism probably means he won't get open looks once teams realize he can shoot.

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We are criticizing the coach for not playing a non preferred walkon we've barely seen when we should be criticizing the coach for being in the position that anyone would even entertain the notion.

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I am not really "criticizing the coach" in this instance, so much as I am advocating for a player in this forum. Too many people write off walk-ons, even when it is obvious they can fill a need on the team (even if only due to injuries). I had many arguments with people on this board that thought Thurman should not see the floor, and that was on a much better Cal team.

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You also had many arguments on this board about Geoffrey Frid. But I digress.

I never write off walk-ons. I also don't write them on either. There is zero reason to believe a walk-on should play until the coach actually puts him out there in meaningful situations. Walk-ons perform a vital function and it is largely a thankless job, but for most, that function is essentially as a sparing partner for the starters. Robinson is clearly a good pick up for that purpose. If its never more than that, okay. He didn't start most of his games at CCSF and we are arguing here that he should be getting meaningful floor time. If he earns it, great.

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BTW, 7'2" walk-on Geoffrey Frid endend up playing professionally in Israel for 3 years.

I still don't know why you would run a 7'2" freshman walk-on off your team. As I said at the time, work on his development, you might be surprised by the time he is a junior or senior. It doesn't cost you a scholarship.

That year Thurman was a Senior Former walk-on averaging 17 min.

We subsequently used scholarships on 7' projects Rooks and Okoroh. Having your 7 projects be walkons seems like a no brainer.

UCLA walk-on center Mark Eaton barely played, Utah drafted him as a gamble and he eventually became an NBA All-Star.

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C'mon man. He played 16 minutes total for an Israeli youth "professional " team.

He left Cal and played in 11 games for Northern Arizona He played 3 minutes a game and scored 2 points on the season. He then went to CSLA where he played in two games over two seasons.

They didn't invite him back because he wasn't good enough to be a practice player. He was in the way. He was in no way ever in a the same league with a guy who wasn't in the same league with a guy who wasn't in the same league with Rooks and Okoroh

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Don't make up numbers about him, at least report the facts:

https://lagoldeneagles.com/sports/mens-basketball/roster/geoffrey-frid/2398

Again, as a freshman, you don't know how someone will turn out. He' was a walk-on. "Getting in the way"? Seriously?

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If you get a coach that is a positive motivator and likable, has West Coast recruiting ties, plays a style of basketball kids want to play in, and/or back him up with serious NIL, we will get MUCH better recruits than we are getting/will get with Fox. I am 100% certain.

If the program starts improving in W/Ls and has upward momentum, the recruiting will only increase.

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I doubt anyone can come in and recruit really well for next season. It'll take time to build the program into something anyone even pays attention to, much less wants to join. But that can be true and your statement can be true at the same time. The problem is the odds of all that happening at Cal with Knowlton.

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If you get a coach that is a positive motivator and likable, has West Coast recruiting ties, plays a style of basketball kids want to play in, and/or back him up with serious NIL, we will get MUCH better recruits than we are getting/will get with Fox. I am 100% certain.

If the program starts improving in W/Ls and has upward momentum, the recruiting will only increase.

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I doubt anyone can come in and recruit really well for next season. It'll take time to build the program into something anyone even pays attention to, much less wants to join. But that can be true and your statement can be true at the same time. The problem is the odds of all that happening at Cal with Knowlton.

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guy like Pasternack I truly believe radically changes things from day 1. You have to figure he has a decent number of students able to win minutes in the recruiting pipeline who would easily qualify (and succeed) at Cal. He has relationships with AAU teams on the West Coast. I am not saying with qualify for the tournie next year but we can win games (such a high bar)

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Not true!! Roberson was player of year and a top 100 kid. He has played him out of position and never embraced him at all. And Askew is not a scorer. He is being asked to do something he is not capable of. He is shooting 30% from the field. Instead he should be trying to get other guys easy shots. Also kids can't play looking over there shoulders and being taken out of the game after 1 to 2 min of play. He allows non of the bench guys to play or get a feel. Player development is terrible!!

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High school rankings prove college success? Not really. What position does Roberson play given he can't shoot (1 three pointer since arriving at Cal), pass (averaging a staggering 5 turnovers per 40 minutes), or dribble. If there was a league for chase down blocks, he would be valuable. He needs to transfer down a level or two.

I don't like all the subbing, it breaks rhythm. I agree that player development is poor. But players need to be recruited with reasonable fundamentals, which is not happening.

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I think you are thinking of Marsallis Robinson.
Wren Robinson has had 1 make-out of 2 attempts. Very limited playing time. Only on the team about a month.

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No he is talking about Marsalis Roberson who is 1-11 (.063) from 3 and averages 4.1 points per 40 minutes.

Wrenn Robinson shot 40% from 3 at SFCC and is 1-2 at Cal. He has not played enough, but based on his limited play is our most valuable player in the advanced stats. With all the players out at the 1-2 and the complete dearth of 3 point shooters, giving him more opportunities seems like a no-brainer.

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He started 8 of 31 games and averaged 10ppg for CCSF, shooting 39% from 3, 40% overall and 84% on FTs. In his highlight video he doesn't look like a P5 athlete to me. Given how crappy our team is maybe he could have some role as a spot up shooter type player but he's not a player you'd normally expect us to rely on. And even then our terrible offense when combined with his lesser athleticism probably means he won't get open looks once teams realize he can shoot.

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We are criticizing the coach for not playing a non preferred walkon we've barely seen when we should be criticizing the coach for being in the position that anyone would even entertain the notion.

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I am not really "criticizing the coach" in this instance, so much as I am advocating for a player in this forum. Too many people write off walk-ons, even when it is obvious they can fill a need on the team (even if only due to injuries). I had many arguments with people on this board that thought Thurman should not see the floor, and that was on a much better Cal team.

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You also had many arguments on this board about Geoffrey Frid. But I digress.

I never write off walk-ons. I also don't write them on either. There is zero reason to believe a walk-on should play until the coach actually puts him out there in meaningful situations. Walk-ons perform a vital function and it is largely a thankless job, but for most, that function is essentially as a sparing partner for the starters. Robinson is clearly a good pick up for that purpose. If its never more than that, okay. He didn't start most of his games at CCSF and we are arguing here that he should be getting meaningful floor time. If he earns it, great.

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At SFCC Robinson came off the bench behind, and occasionally even started over Naseem Gaskin from BOD who originally signed and enrolled at Utah under Krystkowiak but left with the coaching change (first to DeCuire and Montana, but didn't like it there) returned to CCSF rather than sit out a year and was the state championship MVP and Co-POY in league.

So Robinson competing for a starting role with Gaskin, the best player on a championship team, is a positive, not a negative. Though it might have been nice to get Gaskin, we wouldn't have gotten him as a walk-on. Robinson is found gold in that sense.

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Just to be clear about Naseem Gaskin....during the summer after he transferred to Montana (DeCuire) he was involved and subsequently arrested in a felony strangulation case (allegedly beat up his girlfriend)....That is why he left Montana but I guess you could very generously say "he didn't like it there"
https://www.kpax.com/news/crime-and-courts/montana-mens-basketball-player-arrested-for-felony-strangulation

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Not true!! Roberson was player of year and a top 100 kid. He has played him out of position and never embraced him at all. And Askew is not a scorer. He is being asked to do something he is not capable of. He is shooting 30% from the field. Instead he should be trying to get other guys easy shots. Also kids can't play looking over there shoulders and being taken out of the game after 1 to 2 min of play. He allows non of the bench guys to play or get a feel. Player development is terrible!!

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High school rankings prove college success? Not really. What position does Roberson play given he can't shoot (1 three pointer since arriving at Cal), pass (averaging a staggering 5 turnovers per 40 minutes), or dribble. If there was a league for chase down blocks, he would be valuable. He needs to transfer down a level or two.

I don't like all the subbing, it breaks rhythm. I agree that player development is poor. But players need to be recruited with reasonable fundamentals, which is not happening.

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I think you are thinking of Marsallis Robinson.
Wren Robinson has had 1 make-out of 2 attempts. Very limited playing time. Only on the team about a month.

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No he is talking about Marsalis Roberson who is 1-11 (.063) from 3 and averages 4.1 points per 40 minutes.

Wrenn Robinson shot 40% from 3 at SFCC and is 1-2 at Cal. He has not played enough, but based on his limited play is our most valuable player in the advanced stats. With all the players out at the 1-2 and the complete dearth of 3 point shooters, giving him more opportunities seems like a no-brainer.

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He started 8 of 31 games and averaged 10ppg for CCSF, shooting 39% from 3, 40% overall and 84% on FTs. In his highlight video he doesn't look like a P5 athlete to me. Given how crappy our team is maybe he could have some role as a spot up shooter type player but he's not a player you'd normally expect us to rely on. And even then our terrible offense when combined with his lesser athleticism probably means he won't get open looks once teams realize he can shoot.

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We are criticizing the coach for not playing a non preferred walkon we've barely seen when we should be criticizing the coach for being in the position that anyone would even entertain the notion.

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I am not really "criticizing the coach" in this instance, so much as I am advocating for a player in this forum. Too many people write off walk-ons, even when it is obvious they can fill a need on the team (even if only due to injuries). I had many arguments with people on this board that thought Thurman should not see the floor, and that was on a much better Cal team.

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You also had many arguments on this board about Geoffrey Frid. But I digress.

I never write off walk-ons. I also don't write them on either. There is zero reason to believe a walk-on should play until the coach actually puts him out there in meaningful situations. Walk-ons perform a vital function and it is largely a thankless job, but for most, that function is essentially as a sparing partner for the starters. Robinson is clearly a good pick up for that purpose. If its never more than that, okay. He didn't start most of his games at CCSF and we are arguing here that he should be getting meaningful floor time. If he earns it, great.

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BTW, 7'2" walk-on Geoffrey Frid endend up playing professionally in Israel for 3 years.

I still don't know why you would run a 7'2" freshman walk-on off your team. As I said at the time, work on his development, you might be surprised by the time he is a junior or senior. It doesn't cost you a scholarship.

That year Thurman was a Senior Former walk-on averaging 17 min.

We subsequently used scholarships on 7' projects Rooks and Okoroh. Having your 7 projects be walkons seems like a no brainer.

UCLA walk-on center Mark Eaton barely played, Utah drafted him as a gamble and he eventually became an NBA All-Star.

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C'mon man. He played 16 minutes total for an Israeli youth "professional " team.

He left Cal and played in 11 games for Northern Arizona He played 3 minutes a game and scored 2 points on the season. He then went to CSLA where he played in two games over two seasons.

They didn't invite him back because he wasn't good enough to be a practice player. He was in the way. He was in no way ever in a the same league with a guy who wasn't in the same league with a guy who wasn't in the same league with Rooks and Okoroh

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Don't make up numbers about him, at least report the facts:

https://lagoldeneagles.com/sports/mens-basketball/roster/geoffrey-frid/2398

Again, as a freshman, you don't know how someone will turn out. He' was a walk-on. "Getting in the way"? Seriously?

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I absolutely retract my statements about his stats at CSLA. In my defense, I did not make those up. I relied on ESPN player stats (see link). While I think that was reasonable to do so, I've learned my lesson about using ESPN for stats for Division II basketball. The Northern Arizona stats are verified by multiple sources

https://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/player/_/id/62204/geoffrey-frid

In the interest of not being burned by another site, you can imagine it is really hard to find info on a low level Israeli youth league that is not behind a paywall, but I did find, 1. a local announcement that he was going to play for them, and I then found what appeared to be the team's official site. He was not listed on the active roster in either year 1 or year 2. He was listed in year 3, and I gave you the stats they had on their site. If you find something better, I'm glad to update. If you want, they actually have a "highlight" video of him and you can see that in that video this "professional" team is playing not only with no one in the stands, but in a facility with no stands.

Bottom line, Cal's coaches who saw him in practice every day looked at a free player and said sorry, we don't have a spot for you to sit on the bench or help out in practice. Which could mean that he was either in the way or they had better options. Your entire argument is not based on anything other than "but he's 7 feet tall!!!" A lot of 7 footers are far too slow and unathletic to play any semblance of DI sports.

He left Cal and flamed out at Northern Arizona. He then went to a Division II team where he scored 5.5 points a game as a junior and 8 pts a game against the likes of the Monterey Bay Aquarium...sorry...Cal State Monterey Bay. He also average 4.5 rebounds in a league where anyone over 7 feet tall should have pulled 8 by standing there. Comparing him to Okoroh and Rooks is just ridiculous.

You can't take credit for championing Thurman, who was actually playing, to argue you are right about players who never play, when you consistently point to walk ons who never play and ask why not.

Again, I don't count walkons out. I just don't count them in until I have a reason to and being 7 feet tall, or once having a good game somewhere is not a reason to count them in. There have been a lot of people who have railed against walkons like for instance Diggs who were actually playing and that is flat out stupid. But I'm going to tell you that it is extremely rare for fans to criticize a coach for not playing a guy (Donte Smith anyone, every qb fans ever wanted Tedford to play), have that guy actually get into a game, and for anything other than the coach being proven dramatically correct in his assessment. Fox is a bad coach because compared to his peers he is an idiot. He is not an idiot when it comes to basketball compared to you or me. Would it surprise me if Robinson comes in and plays some productive basketball? Absolutely not. It happens all the time with walkons (to be clear, most don't). I shall applaud him if and when he does that. I'm not going to criticize a coach for not "thinking outside the box" by pulling guys out of RSF and throwing them on the floor. That is just desperation.

Yes, we are 0-11 and you can't do worse than that in the win loss column (although you can certainly lose by more). That doesn't mean you just try random shyte. You still put your best team on the floor, develop your players, and work hard to maximize whatever you do out there. Fox is not 0-11 because he isn't playing walk ons.

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If you get a coach that is a positive motivator and likable, has West Coast recruiting ties, plays a style of basketball kids want to play in, and/or back him up with serious NIL, we will get MUCH better recruits than we are getting/will get with Fox. I am 100% certain.

If the program starts improving in W/Ls and has upward momentum, the recruiting will only increase.

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I doubt anyone can come in and recruit really well for next season. It'll take time to build the program into something anyone even pays attention to, much less wants to join. But that can be true and your statement can be true at the same time. The problem is the odds of all that happening at Cal with Knowlton.

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I disagree. We can offer PT galore, the education, P5 competition, etc. The right coach can turn that into some good players. It's basketball…a couple of good players + role players + solid coaching and we can move to .500 in conference-ish next season.

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If you get a coach that is a positive motivator and likable, has West Coast recruiting ties, plays a style of basketball kids want to play in, and/or back him up with serious NIL, we will get MUCH better recruits than we are getting/will get with Fox. I am 100% certain.

If the program starts improving in W/Ls and has upward momentum, the recruiting will only increase.

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I doubt anyone can come in and recruit really well for next season. It'll take time to build the program into something anyone even pays attention to, much less wants to join. But that can be true and your statement can be true at the same time. The problem is the odds of all that happening at Cal with Knowlton.

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guy like Pasternack I truly believe radically changes things from day 1. You have to figure he has a decent number of students able to win minutes in the recruiting pipeline who would easily qualify (and succeed) at Cal. He has relationships with AAU teams on the West Coast. I am not saying with qualify for the tournie next year but we can win games (such a high bar)

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Faster turnarounds are quite possible now, with the portal. And surely Pasternack knows how to work it, witness Andre Kelly. Heck, sometimes it's better to get somebody through the portal, as they just used their one "free" transfer to get here.