we were never closer than 10 points in any game. Today Colorado 58 Cal 46SBGold said:
Dude, we've only played a couple conference games so far and been somewhat competitive. Relax. I bet we pick up a W against Colo today
SB reminds me of the great quote in Aliens:oskidunker said:we were never closer than 10 points in any game. Today Colorado 58 Cal 46SBGold said:
Dude, we've only played a couple conference games so far and been somewhat competitive. Relax. I bet we pick up a W against Colo today
SBGold said:
Dude, we've only played a couple conference games so far and been somewhat competitive. Relax. I bet we pick up a W against Colo today
Even with the injuries we should have been able to beat UC San Diego!mbBear said:SBGold said:
Dude, we've only played a couple conference games so far and been somewhat competitive. Relax. I bet we pick up a W against Colo today
My post wasn't really about you... you are allowed your opinion. Again, I just am tired of one post representing a narrative that doesn't exist.
Specific to your reply: I don't do moral victories or moral losses... so "somewhat competitive" means nothing to me. We lost to programs that even without a top player or two shouldn't matter. It's been embarrassing...if you don't feel that, good for you.
southseasbear said:Even with the injuries we should have been able to beat UC San Diego!mbBear said:SBGold said:
Dude, we've only played a couple conference games so far and been somewhat competitive. Relax. I bet we pick up a W against Colo today
My post wasn't really about you... you are allowed your opinion. Again, I just am tired of one post representing a narrative that doesn't exist.
Specific to your reply: I don't do moral victories or moral losses... so "somewhat competitive" means nothing to me. We lost to programs that even without a top player or two shouldn't matter. It's been embarrassing...if you don't feel that, good for you.
I used 4% just to show how hard it would be to lose 17 consecutive games.calumnus said:stu said:
To put it another way: even if we had only a 4% chance of winning each game the chance of losing 17 consecutive games to break Jones' record would still be just 50%.
I think 4% (average) is closer than 20%. Some teams it is nearly zero, but OSU is probably close to 50% at Haas.
have fox post that stat on scoreboard in place of the 42. "2-3".stu said:I used 4% just to show how hard it would be to lose 17 consecutive games.calumnus said:stu said:
To put it another way: even if we had only a 4% chance of winning each game the chance of losing 17 consecutive games to break Jones' record would still be just 50%.
I think 4% (average) is closer than 20%. Some teams it is nearly zero, but OSU is probably close to 50% at Haas.
I agree our chances of willing a game are better than that, maybe 10%, and will vary with the opponent and other conditions. I'm expecting us to win 2 or 3 conference games.
Where there is a will, there is way.stu said:I used 4% just to show how hard it would be to lose 17 consecutive games.calumnus said:stu said:
To put it another way: even if we had only a 4% chance of winning each game the chance of losing 17 consecutive games to break Jones' record would still be just 50%.
I think 4% (average) is closer than 20%. Some teams it is nearly zero, but OSU is probably close to 50% at Haas.
I agree our chances of willing a game are better than that, maybe 10%, and will vary with the opponent and other conditions. I'm expecting us to win 2 or 3 conference games.
He might post both, thinking that scoring 42 will be enough to get us 2 or 3 wins.cal83dls79 said:have fox post that stat on scoreboard in place of the 42. "2-3".stu said:I used 4% just to show how hard it would be to lose 17 consecutive games.calumnus said:stu said:
To put it another way: even if we had only a 4% chance of winning each game the chance of losing 17 consecutive games to break Jones' record would still be just 50%.
I think 4% (average) is closer than 20%. Some teams it is nearly zero, but OSU is probably close to 50% at Haas.
I agree our chances of willing a game are better than that, maybe 10%, and will vary with the opponent and other conditions. I'm expecting us to win 2 or 3 conference games.
Good call. Wow this is happening, knock on wood.SBGold said:
Dude, we've only played a couple conference games so far and been somewhat competitive. Relax. I bet we pick up a W against Colo today
KoreAmBear said:Good call. Wow this is happening, knock on wood.SBGold said:
Dude, we've only played a couple conference games so far and been somewhat competitive. Relax. I bet we pick up a W against Colo today
Well...calumnus said:KoreAmBear said:Good call. Wow this is happening, knock on wood.SBGold said:
Dude, we've only played a couple conference games so far and been somewhat competitive. Relax. I bet we pick up a W against Colo today
Looking good!
great line. great moviecal83dls79 said:SB reminds me of the great quote in Aliens:oskidunker said:we were never closer than 10 points in any game. Today Colorado 58 Cal 46SBGold said:
Dude, we've only played a couple conference games so far and been somewhat competitive. Relax. I bet we pick up a W against Colo today
Hudson: Hey, maybe you haven't been keeping up with current events, but we just got our asses kicked pal!
SBGold said:
Dude, we've only played a couple conference games so far and been somewhat competitive. Relax. I bet we pick up a W against Colo today
SBGold said:
Do you do real victories? Because we got one today baby!
I expect all of them will experience a new coach. I'd be surprised if Fox gets another coaching job and if he does I'd be surprised if any of our players follow him.mbBear said:
I always want Cal to win, going back to 1975. It doesn't make the losses of this year go away. I hope the kids can get some satisfaction, and maybe less stung by the embarrassment that they have endured.
But I hope some of them get to experience a new coach for next year.
stu said:I expect all of them will experience a new coach. I'd be surprised if Fox gets another coaching job and if he does I'd be surprised if any of our players follow him.mbBear said:
I always want Cal to win, going back to 1975. It doesn't make the losses of this year go away. I hope the kids can get some satisfaction, and maybe less stung by the embarrassment that they have endured.
But I hope some of them get to experience a new coach for next year.
I don't think Fox has the credibility for that. I'd bet on a D-3 job. He won't need the money after taking Cal to the cleaners for million$.mbBear said:stu said:I expect all of them will experience a new coach. I'd be surprised if Fox gets another coaching job and if he does I'd be surprised if any of our players follow him.mbBear said:
I always want Cal to win, going back to 1975. It doesn't make the losses of this year go away. I hope the kids can get some satisfaction, and maybe less stung by the embarrassment that they have endured.
But I hope some of them get to experience a new coach for next year.
I think he ends up as an NBA assistant...we will see if the new coach suggests to some of the players seek playing opportunities elsewhere...
HearstMining said:I don't think Fox has the credibility for that. I'd bet on a D-3 job. He won't need the money after taking Cal to the cleaners for million$.mbBear said:stu said:I expect all of them will experience a new coach. I'd be surprised if Fox gets another coaching job and if he does I'd be surprised if any of our players follow him.mbBear said:
I always want Cal to win, going back to 1975. It doesn't make the losses of this year go away. I hope the kids can get some satisfaction, and maybe less stung by the embarrassment that they have endured.
But I hope some of them get to experience a new coach for next year.
I think he ends up as an NBA assistant...we will see if the new coach suggests to some of the players seek playing opportunities elsewhere...
Big C said:HearstMining said:I don't think Fox has the credibility for that. I'd bet on a D-3 job. He won't need the money after taking Cal to the cleaners for million$.mbBear said:stu said:I expect all of them will experience a new coach. I'd be surprised if Fox gets another coaching job and if he does I'd be surprised if any of our players follow him.mbBear said:
I always want Cal to win, going back to 1975. It doesn't make the losses of this year go away. I hope the kids can get some satisfaction, and maybe less stung by the embarrassment that they have endured.
But I hope some of them get to experience a new coach for next year.
I think he ends up as an NBA assistant...we will see if the new coach suggests to some of the players seek playing opportunities elsewhere...
You don't think NBA players would find Fox's charisma to be very compelling?
I hope they understand war better than they understand basketball.calumnus said:
Yeah, no way Fox is an NBA coach of any sort. I could see him at a service academy, hired by an AD like Knowlton who should also be at a service academy.
stu said:I hope they understand war better than they understand basketball.calumnus said:
Yeah, no way Fox is an NBA coach of any sort. I could see him at a service academy, hired by an AD like Knowlton who should also be at a service academy.
NBA staffs are now larger than ever, especially if you add in the G League. But even back in the day of a few coaches, I met plenty of assistants who couldn't recruit bees to honey, but are X and O geeks, and/or are long time friends and/or associates of good head coaches...Fox has now been around long enough to know a lot of guys...I believe it was Greg Popovich who lobbied on his behalf for the Cal job.HearstMining said:I don't think Fox has the credibility for that. I'd bet on a D-3 job. He won't need the money after taking Cal to the cleaners for million$.mbBear said:stu said:I expect all of them will experience a new coach. I'd be surprised if Fox gets another coaching job and if he does I'd be surprised if any of our players follow him.mbBear said:
I always want Cal to win, going back to 1975. It doesn't make the losses of this year go away. I hope the kids can get some satisfaction, and maybe less stung by the embarrassment that they have endured.
But I hope some of them get to experience a new coach for next year.
I think he ends up as an NBA assistant...we will see if the new coach suggests to some of the players seek playing opportunities elsewhere...
mbBear said:NBA staffs are now larger than ever, especially if you add in the G League. But even back in the day of a few coaches, I met plenty of assistants who couldn't recruit bees to honey, but are X and O geeks, and/or are long time friends and/or associates of good head coaches...Fox has now been around long enough to know a lot of guys...I believe it was Greg Popovich who lobbied on his behalf for the Cal job.HearstMining said:I don't think Fox has the credibility for that. I'd bet on a D-3 job. He won't need the money after taking Cal to the cleaners for million$.mbBear said:stu said:I expect all of them will experience a new coach. I'd be surprised if Fox gets another coaching job and if he does I'd be surprised if any of our players follow him.mbBear said:
I always want Cal to win, going back to 1975. It doesn't make the losses of this year go away. I hope the kids can get some satisfaction, and maybe less stung by the embarrassment that they have endured.
But I hope some of them get to experience a new coach for next year.
I think he ends up as an NBA assistant...we will see if the new coach suggests to some of the players seek playing opportunities elsewhere...
But right, he has made a lot of money, even before Cal. I think the DIII job would have to specific to a region he wants to live in, etc. I don't know a scenario that would bring him back to Nevada, but he is in their Hall of Fame, and had a terrific record there.
Yup, the rule of the coaching profession is "Thou shalt not speak ill of a fellow coach". The only guy who broke it was Bobby Knight when talking about LSU's coach, Dale Brown: "I was worried about losing until I looked down the floor and saw Dale Brown. Then I knew we had a chance"calumnus said:mbBear said:NBA staffs are now larger than ever, especially if you add in the G League. But even back in the day of a few coaches, I met plenty of assistants who couldn't recruit bees to honey, but are X and O geeks, and/or are long time friends and/or associates of good head coaches...Fox has now been around long enough to know a lot of guys...I believe it was Greg Popovich who lobbied on his behalf for the Cal job.HearstMining said:I don't think Fox has the credibility for that. I'd bet on a D-3 job. He won't need the money after taking Cal to the cleaners for million$.mbBear said:stu said:I expect all of them will experience a new coach. I'd be surprised if Fox gets another coaching job and if he does I'd be surprised if any of our players follow him.mbBear said:
I always want Cal to win, going back to 1975. It doesn't make the losses of this year go away. I hope the kids can get some satisfaction, and maybe less stung by the embarrassment that they have endured.
But I hope some of them get to experience a new coach for next year.
I think he ends up as an NBA assistant...we will see if the new coach suggests to some of the players seek playing opportunities elsewhere...
But right, he has made a lot of money, even before Cal. I think the DIII job would have to specific to a region he wants to live in, etc. I don't know a scenario that would bring him back to Nevada, but he is in their Hall of Fame, and had a terrific record there.
Mark Fox is not an Xs and Os geek.
But you are right, he has been around a long time and knows people. He is part of the good old boys coaching network. Braun and Monty go out of their way to find reasons to praise him. He did get that volunteer job with Team USA, so anything is possible. It is a profession that can be very clubby. Tough to break in, but once you are in, you are set for life.
Dale Brown was the epitome of the Recruiting College coach...I talked to him for 20 minutes (if memory serves me), and I was ready to go run through walls for him! From that time period, Bobby Cremins of Ga. Tech, was similar...but, in a Northeastern kind of way, and was more about "how important are you to him"...of other coaches I have met, Calipari is the one that wants to charm everyone.HearstMining said:Yup, the rule of the coaching profession is "Thou shalt not speak ill of a fellow coach". The only guy who broke it was Bobby Knight when talking about LSU's coach, Dale Brown: "I was worried about losing until I looked down the floor and saw Dale Brown. Then I knew we had a chance"calumnus said:mbBear said:NBA staffs are now larger than ever, especially if you add in the G League. But even back in the day of a few coaches, I met plenty of assistants who couldn't recruit bees to honey, but are X and O geeks, and/or are long time friends and/or associates of good head coaches...Fox has now been around long enough to know a lot of guys...I believe it was Greg Popovich who lobbied on his behalf for the Cal job.HearstMining said:I don't think Fox has the credibility for that. I'd bet on a D-3 job. He won't need the money after taking Cal to the cleaners for million$.mbBear said:stu said:I expect all of them will experience a new coach. I'd be surprised if Fox gets another coaching job and if he does I'd be surprised if any of our players follow him.mbBear said:
I always want Cal to win, going back to 1975. It doesn't make the losses of this year go away. I hope the kids can get some satisfaction, and maybe less stung by the embarrassment that they have endured.
But I hope some of them get to experience a new coach for next year.
I think he ends up as an NBA assistant...we will see if the new coach suggests to some of the players seek playing opportunities elsewhere...
But right, he has made a lot of money, even before Cal. I think the DIII job would have to specific to a region he wants to live in, etc. I don't know a scenario that would bring him back to Nevada, but he is in their Hall of Fame, and had a terrific record there.
Mark Fox is not an Xs and Os geek.
But you are right, he has been around a long time and knows people. He is part of the good old boys coaching network. Braun and Monty go out of their way to find reasons to praise him. He did get that volunteer job with Team USA, so anything is possible. It is a profession that can be very clubby. Tough to break in, but once you are in, you are set for life.
That's a good example to be sure!BC Calfan said:
Not nearly the status of the coaches you've encountered but I met Fran Fraschilla in a Warriors suite years ago. I introduced myself, we spoke for a couple minutes about college hoops. He really made an impression on me with how genuine, engaged and warm he was. Looked me in the eye, actively listening to what I was saying, etc. and I was just a random fan. I didn't get the seedy, ulterior motive vibe at all. And after talking for a couple minutes he said, "it was very nice meeting and talking with you Drew." He remembered my name after I only said it once. Since then I always imagined how effective he must of been with his recruiting pitches. I would have signed up for his program right then and there.
mbBear said:Dale Brown was the epitome of the Recruiting College coach...I talked to him for 20 minutes (if memory serves me), and I was ready to go run through walls for him! From that time period, Bobby Cremins of Ga. Tech, was similar...but, in a Northeastern kind of way, and was more about "how important are you to him"...of other coaches I have met, Calipari is the one that wants to charm everyone.HearstMining said:Yup, the rule of the coaching profession is "Thou shalt not speak ill of a fellow coach". The only guy who broke it was Bobby Knight when talking about LSU's coach, Dale Brown: "I was worried about losing until I looked down the floor and saw Dale Brown. Then I knew we had a chance"calumnus said:mbBear said:NBA staffs are now larger than ever, especially if you add in the G League. But even back in the day of a few coaches, I met plenty of assistants who couldn't recruit bees to honey, but are X and O geeks, and/or are long time friends and/or associates of good head coaches...Fox has now been around long enough to know a lot of guys...I believe it was Greg Popovich who lobbied on his behalf for the Cal job.HearstMining said:I don't think Fox has the credibility for that. I'd bet on a D-3 job. He won't need the money after taking Cal to the cleaners for million$.mbBear said:stu said:I expect all of them will experience a new coach. I'd be surprised if Fox gets another coaching job and if he does I'd be surprised if any of our players follow him.mbBear said:
I always want Cal to win, going back to 1975. It doesn't make the losses of this year go away. I hope the kids can get some satisfaction, and maybe less stung by the embarrassment that they have endured.
But I hope some of them get to experience a new coach for next year.
I think he ends up as an NBA assistant...we will see if the new coach suggests to some of the players seek playing opportunities elsewhere...
But right, he has made a lot of money, even before Cal. I think the DIII job would have to specific to a region he wants to live in, etc. I don't know a scenario that would bring him back to Nevada, but he is in their Hall of Fame, and had a terrific record there.
Mark Fox is not an Xs and Os geek.
But you are right, he has been around a long time and knows people. He is part of the good old boys coaching network. Braun and Monty go out of their way to find reasons to praise him. He did get that volunteer job with Team USA, so anything is possible. It is a profession that can be very clubby. Tough to break in, but once you are in, you are set for life.
That's also why I said Fox was more X and O, because he isn't the "Recruiting" guy, based on results and what people have told me....I haven't met him directly. Okay, he could be neither, I guess, it's certainly not a hill I am going to die on....and frankly, after he is gone from Cal, there is no one here who cares where he ends up except to the extent if his next job off-sets the Cal financial obligation.
