we were never closer than 10 points in any game. Today Colorado 58 Cal 46SBGold said:
Dude, we've only played a couple conference games so far and been somewhat competitive. Relax. I bet we pick up a W against Colo today
Go Bears!
With a couple of our injured guys coming back, we will be competitive
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SB reminds me of the great quote in Aliens:oskidunker said:we were never closer than 10 points in any game. Today Colorado 58 Cal 46SBGold said:
Dude, we've only played a couple conference games so far and been somewhat competitive. Relax. I bet we pick up a W against Colo today
Hudson: Hey, maybe you haven't been keeping up with current events, but we just got our asses kicked pal!
Priest of the Patty Hearst Shrine
SBGold said:
Dude, we've only played a couple conference games so far and been somewhat competitive. Relax. I bet we pick up a W against Colo today
My post wasn't really about you... you are allowed your opinion. Again, I just am tired of one post representing a narrative that doesn't exist.
Specific to your reply: I don't do moral victories or moral losses... so "somewhat competitive" means nothing to me. We lost to programs that even without a top player or two shouldn't matter. It's been embarrassing...if you don't feel that, good for you.
Even with the injuries we should have been able to beat UC San Diego!mbBear said:SBGold said:
Dude, we've only played a couple conference games so far and been somewhat competitive. Relax. I bet we pick up a W against Colo today
My post wasn't really about you... you are allowed your opinion. Again, I just am tired of one post representing a narrative that doesn't exist.
Specific to your reply: I don't do moral victories or moral losses... so "somewhat competitive" means nothing to me. We lost to programs that even without a top player or two shouldn't matter. It's been embarrassing...if you don't feel that, good for you.
Fire Knowlton!
Fire Fox!
Put Wilcox in a hot seat!
Fire Fox!
Put Wilcox in a hot seat!
southseasbear said:Even with the injuries we should have been able to beat UC San Diego!mbBear said:SBGold said:
Dude, we've only played a couple conference games so far and been somewhat competitive. Relax. I bet we pick up a W against Colo today
My post wasn't really about you... you are allowed your opinion. Again, I just am tired of one post representing a narrative that doesn't exist.
Specific to your reply: I don't do moral victories or moral losses... so "somewhat competitive" means nothing to me. We lost to programs that even without a top player or two shouldn't matter. It's been embarrassing...if you don't feel that, good for you.
Certainly a good example. Without studying it too closely, the OOC games was set up for a minimum of 7 wins. I mean to get national recognition because of being terrible, it's an incredible disservice to those who have come before and given so much to the program, be it on the court or through fan support.
I used 4% just to show how hard it would be to lose 17 consecutive games.calumnus said:stu said:
To put it another way: even if we had only a 4% chance of winning each game the chance of losing 17 consecutive games to break Jones' record would still be just 50%.
I think 4% (average) is closer than 20%. Some teams it is nearly zero, but OSU is probably close to 50% at Haas.
I agree our chances of willing a game are better than that, maybe 10%, and will vary with the opponent and other conditions. I'm expecting us to win 2 or 3 conference games.
have fox post that stat on scoreboard in place of the 42. "2-3".stu said:I used 4% just to show how hard it would be to lose 17 consecutive games.calumnus said:stu said:
To put it another way: even if we had only a 4% chance of winning each game the chance of losing 17 consecutive games to break Jones' record would still be just 50%.
I think 4% (average) is closer than 20%. Some teams it is nearly zero, but OSU is probably close to 50% at Haas.
I agree our chances of willing a game are better than that, maybe 10%, and will vary with the opponent and other conditions. I'm expecting us to win 2 or 3 conference games.
Priest of the Patty Hearst Shrine
Where there is a will, there is way.stu said:I used 4% just to show how hard it would be to lose 17 consecutive games.calumnus said:stu said:
To put it another way: even if we had only a 4% chance of winning each game the chance of losing 17 consecutive games to break Jones' record would still be just 50%.
I think 4% (average) is closer than 20%. Some teams it is nearly zero, but OSU is probably close to 50% at Haas.
I agree our chances of willing a game are better than that, maybe 10%, and will vary with the opponent and other conditions. I'm expecting us to win 2 or 3 conference games.
Go Bears!
He might post both, thinking that scoring 42 will be enough to get us 2 or 3 wins.cal83dls79 said:have fox post that stat on scoreboard in place of the 42. "2-3".stu said:I used 4% just to show how hard it would be to lose 17 consecutive games.calumnus said:stu said:
To put it another way: even if we had only a 4% chance of winning each game the chance of losing 17 consecutive games to break Jones' record would still be just 50%.
I think 4% (average) is closer than 20%. Some teams it is nearly zero, but OSU is probably close to 50% at Haas.
I agree our chances of willing a game are better than that, maybe 10%, and will vary with the opponent and other conditions. I'm expecting us to win 2 or 3 conference games.
Good call. Wow this is happening, knock on wood.SBGold said:
Dude, we've only played a couple conference games so far and been somewhat competitive. Relax. I bet we pick up a W against Colo today
KoreAmBear said:Good call. Wow this is happening, knock on wood.SBGold said:
Dude, we've only played a couple conference games so far and been somewhat competitive. Relax. I bet we pick up a W against Colo today
Looking good!
Well...calumnus said:KoreAmBear said:Good call. Wow this is happening, knock on wood.SBGold said:
Dude, we've only played a couple conference games so far and been somewhat competitive. Relax. I bet we pick up a W against Colo today
Looking good!
great line. great moviecal83dls79 said:SB reminds me of the great quote in Aliens:oskidunker said:we were never closer than 10 points in any game. Today Colorado 58 Cal 46SBGold said:
Dude, we've only played a couple conference games so far and been somewhat competitive. Relax. I bet we pick up a W against Colo today
Hudson: Hey, maybe you haven't been keeping up with current events, but we just got our asses kicked pal!
SBGold said:
Dude, we've only played a couple conference games so far and been somewhat competitive. Relax. I bet we pick up a W against Colo today
Done. Were you there at the Haas with me today, SBGold?
Look folks, trying to stay upbeat during the season and rooting for Cal to win doesn't mean we are seeing the state of the program with rose-colored glasses; we're just being Cal fans.
No, I was there for Utah though. Our offense sucked in that game but I was heartened by how we played D. And Colo won barely against a crappy Furd team, so I liked our chances.
We are the Bears, we may be down but we don't quit
We are the Bears, we may be down but we don't quit
Hell yeah, our Bears need is. Look I dislike Fox immensely, but not all is lost with these guys
Do you do real victories? Because we got one today baby!
SBGold said:
Do you do real victories? Because we got one today baby!
I always want Cal to win, going back to 1975. It doesn't make the losses of this year go away. I hope the kids can get some satisfaction, and maybe less stung by the embarrassment that they have endured.
But I hope some of them get to experience a new coach for next year.
I expect all of them will experience a new coach. I'd be surprised if Fox gets another coaching job and if he does I'd be surprised if any of our players follow him.mbBear said:
I always want Cal to win, going back to 1975. It doesn't make the losses of this year go away. I hope the kids can get some satisfaction, and maybe less stung by the embarrassment that they have endured.
But I hope some of them get to experience a new coach for next year.
I'm with you on that. This group doesn't seem to be quitting though, and they should be commended for that. After 15 losses I'd be pretty done myself
stu said:I expect all of them will experience a new coach. I'd be surprised if Fox gets another coaching job and if he does I'd be surprised if any of our players follow him.mbBear said:
I always want Cal to win, going back to 1975. It doesn't make the losses of this year go away. I hope the kids can get some satisfaction, and maybe less stung by the embarrassment that they have endured.
But I hope some of them get to experience a new coach for next year.
I think he ends up as an NBA assistant...we will see if the new coach suggests to some of the players seek playing opportunities elsewhere...
I don't think Fox has the credibility for that. I'd bet on a D-3 job. He won't need the money after taking Cal to the cleaners for million$.mbBear said:stu said:I expect all of them will experience a new coach. I'd be surprised if Fox gets another coaching job and if he does I'd be surprised if any of our players follow him.mbBear said:
I always want Cal to win, going back to 1975. It doesn't make the losses of this year go away. I hope the kids can get some satisfaction, and maybe less stung by the embarrassment that they have endured.
But I hope some of them get to experience a new coach for next year.
I think he ends up as an NBA assistant...we will see if the new coach suggests to some of the players seek playing opportunities elsewhere...
HearstMining said:I don't think Fox has the credibility for that. I'd bet on a D-3 job. He won't need the money after taking Cal to the cleaners for million$.mbBear said:stu said:I expect all of them will experience a new coach. I'd be surprised if Fox gets another coaching job and if he does I'd be surprised if any of our players follow him.mbBear said:
I always want Cal to win, going back to 1975. It doesn't make the losses of this year go away. I hope the kids can get some satisfaction, and maybe less stung by the embarrassment that they have endured.
But I hope some of them get to experience a new coach for next year.
I think he ends up as an NBA assistant...we will see if the new coach suggests to some of the players seek playing opportunities elsewhere...
You don't think NBA players would find Fox's charisma to be very compelling?
Big C said:HearstMining said:I don't think Fox has the credibility for that. I'd bet on a D-3 job. He won't need the money after taking Cal to the cleaners for million$.mbBear said:stu said:I expect all of them will experience a new coach. I'd be surprised if Fox gets another coaching job and if he does I'd be surprised if any of our players follow him.mbBear said:
I always want Cal to win, going back to 1975. It doesn't make the losses of this year go away. I hope the kids can get some satisfaction, and maybe less stung by the embarrassment that they have endured.
But I hope some of them get to experience a new coach for next year.
I think he ends up as an NBA assistant...we will see if the new coach suggests to some of the players seek playing opportunities elsewhere...
You don't think NBA players would find Fox's charisma to be very compelling?
Yeah, no way Fox is an NBA coach of any sort. I could see him at a service academy, hired by an AD like Knowlton who should also be at a service academy.
I hope they understand war better than they understand basketball.calumnus said:
Yeah, no way Fox is an NBA coach of any sort. I could see him at a service academy, hired by an AD like Knowlton who should also be at a service academy.
stu said:I hope they understand war better than they understand basketball.calumnus said:
Yeah, no way Fox is an NBA coach of any sort. I could see him at a service academy, hired by an AD like Knowlton who should also be at a service academy.
They spend ALOT more on war so they don't really have to win with smart strategy.
Spending a lot more seems to help in basketball as well. A smart strategy if you have the money.
NBA staffs are now larger than ever, especially if you add in the G League. But even back in the day of a few coaches, I met plenty of assistants who couldn't recruit bees to honey, but are X and O geeks, and/or are long time friends and/or associates of good head coaches...Fox has now been around long enough to know a lot of guys...I believe it was Greg Popovich who lobbied on his behalf for the Cal job.HearstMining said:I don't think Fox has the credibility for that. I'd bet on a D-3 job. He won't need the money after taking Cal to the cleaners for million$.mbBear said:stu said:I expect all of them will experience a new coach. I'd be surprised if Fox gets another coaching job and if he does I'd be surprised if any of our players follow him.mbBear said:
I always want Cal to win, going back to 1975. It doesn't make the losses of this year go away. I hope the kids can get some satisfaction, and maybe less stung by the embarrassment that they have endured.
But I hope some of them get to experience a new coach for next year.
I think he ends up as an NBA assistant...we will see if the new coach suggests to some of the players seek playing opportunities elsewhere...
But right, he has made a lot of money, even before Cal. I think the DIII job would have to specific to a region he wants to live in, etc. I don't know a scenario that would bring him back to Nevada, but he is in their Hall of Fame, and had a terrific record there.
mbBear said:NBA staffs are now larger than ever, especially if you add in the G League. But even back in the day of a few coaches, I met plenty of assistants who couldn't recruit bees to honey, but are X and O geeks, and/or are long time friends and/or associates of good head coaches...Fox has now been around long enough to know a lot of guys...I believe it was Greg Popovich who lobbied on his behalf for the Cal job.HearstMining said:I don't think Fox has the credibility for that. I'd bet on a D-3 job. He won't need the money after taking Cal to the cleaners for million$.mbBear said:stu said:I expect all of them will experience a new coach. I'd be surprised if Fox gets another coaching job and if he does I'd be surprised if any of our players follow him.mbBear said:
I always want Cal to win, going back to 1975. It doesn't make the losses of this year go away. I hope the kids can get some satisfaction, and maybe less stung by the embarrassment that they have endured.
But I hope some of them get to experience a new coach for next year.
I think he ends up as an NBA assistant...we will see if the new coach suggests to some of the players seek playing opportunities elsewhere...
But right, he has made a lot of money, even before Cal. I think the DIII job would have to specific to a region he wants to live in, etc. I don't know a scenario that would bring him back to Nevada, but he is in their Hall of Fame, and had a terrific record there.
Mark Fox is not an Xs and Os geek.
But you are right, he has been around a long time and knows people. He is part of the good old boys coaching network. Braun and Monty go out of their way to find reasons to praise him. He did get that volunteer job with Team USA, so anything is possible. It is a profession that can be very clubby. Tough to break in, but once you are in, you are set for life.
Yup, the rule of the coaching profession is "Thou shalt not speak ill of a fellow coach". The only guy who broke it was Bobby Knight when talking about LSU's coach, Dale Brown: "I was worried about losing until I looked down the floor and saw Dale Brown. Then I knew we had a chance"calumnus said:mbBear said:NBA staffs are now larger than ever, especially if you add in the G League. But even back in the day of a few coaches, I met plenty of assistants who couldn't recruit bees to honey, but are X and O geeks, and/or are long time friends and/or associates of good head coaches...Fox has now been around long enough to know a lot of guys...I believe it was Greg Popovich who lobbied on his behalf for the Cal job.HearstMining said:I don't think Fox has the credibility for that. I'd bet on a D-3 job. He won't need the money after taking Cal to the cleaners for million$.mbBear said:stu said:I expect all of them will experience a new coach. I'd be surprised if Fox gets another coaching job and if he does I'd be surprised if any of our players follow him.mbBear said:
I always want Cal to win, going back to 1975. It doesn't make the losses of this year go away. I hope the kids can get some satisfaction, and maybe less stung by the embarrassment that they have endured.
But I hope some of them get to experience a new coach for next year.
I think he ends up as an NBA assistant...we will see if the new coach suggests to some of the players seek playing opportunities elsewhere...
But right, he has made a lot of money, even before Cal. I think the DIII job would have to specific to a region he wants to live in, etc. I don't know a scenario that would bring him back to Nevada, but he is in their Hall of Fame, and had a terrific record there.
Mark Fox is not an Xs and Os geek.
But you are right, he has been around a long time and knows people. He is part of the good old boys coaching network. Braun and Monty go out of their way to find reasons to praise him. He did get that volunteer job with Team USA, so anything is possible. It is a profession that can be very clubby. Tough to break in, but once you are in, you are set for life.
Dale Brown was the epitome of the Recruiting College coach...I talked to him for 20 minutes (if memory serves me), and I was ready to go run through walls for him! From that time period, Bobby Cremins of Ga. Tech, was similar...but, in a Northeastern kind of way, and was more about "how important are you to him"...of other coaches I have met, Calipari is the one that wants to charm everyone.HearstMining said:Yup, the rule of the coaching profession is "Thou shalt not speak ill of a fellow coach". The only guy who broke it was Bobby Knight when talking about LSU's coach, Dale Brown: "I was worried about losing until I looked down the floor and saw Dale Brown. Then I knew we had a chance"calumnus said:mbBear said:NBA staffs are now larger than ever, especially if you add in the G League. But even back in the day of a few coaches, I met plenty of assistants who couldn't recruit bees to honey, but are X and O geeks, and/or are long time friends and/or associates of good head coaches...Fox has now been around long enough to know a lot of guys...I believe it was Greg Popovich who lobbied on his behalf for the Cal job.HearstMining said:I don't think Fox has the credibility for that. I'd bet on a D-3 job. He won't need the money after taking Cal to the cleaners for million$.mbBear said:stu said:I expect all of them will experience a new coach. I'd be surprised if Fox gets another coaching job and if he does I'd be surprised if any of our players follow him.mbBear said:
I always want Cal to win, going back to 1975. It doesn't make the losses of this year go away. I hope the kids can get some satisfaction, and maybe less stung by the embarrassment that they have endured.
But I hope some of them get to experience a new coach for next year.
I think he ends up as an NBA assistant...we will see if the new coach suggests to some of the players seek playing opportunities elsewhere...
But right, he has made a lot of money, even before Cal. I think the DIII job would have to specific to a region he wants to live in, etc. I don't know a scenario that would bring him back to Nevada, but he is in their Hall of Fame, and had a terrific record there.
Mark Fox is not an Xs and Os geek.
But you are right, he has been around a long time and knows people. He is part of the good old boys coaching network. Braun and Monty go out of their way to find reasons to praise him. He did get that volunteer job with Team USA, so anything is possible. It is a profession that can be very clubby. Tough to break in, but once you are in, you are set for life.
That's also why I said Fox was more X and O, because he isn't the "Recruiting" guy, based on results and what people have told me....I haven't met him directly. Okay, he could be neither, I guess, it's certainly not a hill I am going to die on....and frankly, after he is gone from Cal, there is no one here who cares where he ends up except to the extent if his next job off-sets the Cal financial obligation.
Not nearly the status of the coaches you've encountered but I met Fran Fraschilla in a Warriors suite years ago. I introduced myself, we spoke for a couple minutes about college hoops. He really made an impression on me with how genuine, engaged and warm he was. Looked me in the eye, actively listening to what I was saying, etc. and I was just a random fan. I didn't get the seedy, ulterior motive vibe at all. And after talking for a couple minutes he said, "it was very nice meeting and talking with you Drew." He remembered my name after I only said it once. Since then I always imagined how effective he must of been with his recruiting pitches. I would have signed up for his program right then and there. 
That's a good example to be sure!BC Calfan said:
Not nearly the status of the coaches you've encountered but I met Fran Fraschilla in a Warriors suite years ago. I introduced myself, we spoke for a couple minutes about college hoops. He really made an impression on me with how genuine, engaged and warm he was. Looked me in the eye, actively listening to what I was saying, etc. and I was just a random fan. I didn't get the seedy, ulterior motive vibe at all. And after talking for a couple minutes he said, "it was very nice meeting and talking with you Drew." He remembered my name after I only said it once. Since then I always imagined how effective he must of been with his recruiting pitches. I would have signed up for his program right then and there.
mbBear said:Dale Brown was the epitome of the Recruiting College coach...I talked to him for 20 minutes (if memory serves me), and I was ready to go run through walls for him! From that time period, Bobby Cremins of Ga. Tech, was similar...but, in a Northeastern kind of way, and was more about "how important are you to him"...of other coaches I have met, Calipari is the one that wants to charm everyone.HearstMining said:Yup, the rule of the coaching profession is "Thou shalt not speak ill of a fellow coach". The only guy who broke it was Bobby Knight when talking about LSU's coach, Dale Brown: "I was worried about losing until I looked down the floor and saw Dale Brown. Then I knew we had a chance"calumnus said:mbBear said:NBA staffs are now larger than ever, especially if you add in the G League. But even back in the day of a few coaches, I met plenty of assistants who couldn't recruit bees to honey, but are X and O geeks, and/or are long time friends and/or associates of good head coaches...Fox has now been around long enough to know a lot of guys...I believe it was Greg Popovich who lobbied on his behalf for the Cal job.HearstMining said:I don't think Fox has the credibility for that. I'd bet on a D-3 job. He won't need the money after taking Cal to the cleaners for million$.mbBear said:stu said:I expect all of them will experience a new coach. I'd be surprised if Fox gets another coaching job and if he does I'd be surprised if any of our players follow him.mbBear said:
I always want Cal to win, going back to 1975. It doesn't make the losses of this year go away. I hope the kids can get some satisfaction, and maybe less stung by the embarrassment that they have endured.
But I hope some of them get to experience a new coach for next year.
I think he ends up as an NBA assistant...we will see if the new coach suggests to some of the players seek playing opportunities elsewhere...
But right, he has made a lot of money, even before Cal. I think the DIII job would have to specific to a region he wants to live in, etc. I don't know a scenario that would bring him back to Nevada, but he is in their Hall of Fame, and had a terrific record there.
Mark Fox is not an Xs and Os geek.
But you are right, he has been around a long time and knows people. He is part of the good old boys coaching network. Braun and Monty go out of their way to find reasons to praise him. He did get that volunteer job with Team USA, so anything is possible. It is a profession that can be very clubby. Tough to break in, but once you are in, you are set for life.
That's also why I said Fox was more X and O, because he isn't the "Recruiting" guy, based on results and what people have told me....I haven't met him directly. Okay, he could be neither, I guess, it's certainly not a hill I am going to die on....and frankly, after he is gone from Cal, there is no one here who cares where he ends up except to the extent if his next job off-sets the Cal financial obligation.
Fox is more the old school coach with a whistle. Lou Campanelli. The drill sargent. The high school gym coach. The guy that said he is "going make you work harder than you thought possible." The guy that bragged about players vomiting from practice. He relies on hard work because he isn't that smart, which he admits. He played for Gardner junior college and then Eastern New Mexico. He was a scrapper. He is not part of a coaching tree, but he is now in the coaching club. He is not a great Xs and Os coach. His go to is forcefully getting players to play tough, physical man to man defense. As a result players get injured in practice. His recruiting is poor and his roster strategy is flawed. Like Campanelli, he not interested in hearing the player's opinions. That is insubordination. He might have to admit the guy making nothing knows more about basketball than the guy getting the $millions. So he recruits guys that are new to the game and don't know better. It is a view of the coach as the task master, the general. Absolute authority. He is just a really bad fit for Cal student athletes and for the 21st century and portal era.
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