Thank you, Bearister. Vanover, for the first half of his season at Cal, he looked totally bewildered thenb strung together a few good games at the end and finally bailed (I certainly can't criticize him for THAT), which ensured his enshrinement in the Cal "Woulda, Coulda, Shoulda" Hall of Fame. He didn't do squat at Arkansas in the . . . I assume three years he was there. Looking at Oral Roberts' schedule, they play in a conference with heavyweights like the University of Missouri - well, actually the University of Missouri at Kansas City.

So no, I don't think he would have blossomed at Cal. Watching the video, two things stand out: Vanover's agility has improved and ORU still has "Expect a Miracle" painted along one of the baselines.

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Thank you, Bearister. Vanover, for the first half of his season at Cal, he looked totally bewildered thenb strung together a few good games at the end and finally bailed (I certainly can't criticize him for THAT), which ensured his enshrinement in the Cal "Woulda, Coulda, Shoulda" Hall of Fame. He didn't do squat at Arkansas in the . . . I assume three years he was there. Looking at Oral Roberts' schedule, they play in a conference with heavyweights like the University of Missouri - well, actually the University of Missouri at Kansas City.

So no, I don't think he would have blossomed at Cal. Watching the video, two things stand out: Vanover's agility has improved and ORU still has "Expect a Miracle" painted along one of the baselines.

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If we had all those players as 23 year old sixth years, we would have a solid tourney run no matter who was coaching.

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Connor is blowing up his senior year:



https://www.instagram.com/reel/Cnp0k5_JpgH/?igshid=NDk5N2NlZjQ=

Imagine if we had Vanover, Bradley, Kelly and Sueing? Sweet 16. Shows that Wyking could at least recruit.

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I for one think all fans should be allowed to have their dreams. Especially these days, when it is pretty much all we've got.

Getting back to earth, however, Conover's best year in P5 conference play was at Cal. And it was his best year shooting the three ball. As for the Bradley, Kelly, and Sueing, their best years were also at Cal. All of them seem to have made a little mistake leaving Cal. All four had their limitations. I think Cal would have had a better record with them all staying, but Sweet 16 very unlikely, and making the tournament no cinch either.

SFCityBear said:

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KoreAmBear said:

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Connor is blowing up his senior year:



https://www.instagram.com/reel/Cnp0k5_JpgH/?igshid=NDk5N2NlZjQ=

Imagine if we had Vanover, Bradley, Kelly and Sueing? Sweet 16. Shows that Wyking could at least recruit.

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I for one think all fans should be allowed to have their dreams. Especially these days, when it is pretty much all we've got.

Getting back to earth, however, Conover's best year in P5 conference play was at Cal. And it was his best year shooting the three ball. As for the Bradley, Kelly, and Sueing, their best years were also at Cal. All of them seem to have made a little mistake leaving Cal. All four had their limitations. I think Cal would have had a better record with them all staying, but Sweet 16 very unlikely, and making the tournament no cinch either.

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"...making the tournament..." We are not good enough to make the NIT or even CBI.

SFCityBear said:

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KoreAmBear said:

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Connor is blowing up his senior year:



https://www.instagram.com/reel/Cnp0k5_JpgH/?igshid=NDk5N2NlZjQ=

Imagine if we had Vanover, Bradley, Kelly and Sueing? Sweet 16. Shows that Wyking could at least recruit.

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I for one think all fans should be allowed to have their dreams. Especially these days, when it is pretty much all we've got.

Getting back to earth, however, Conover's best year in P5 conference play was at Cal. And it was his best year shooting the three ball. As for the Bradley, Kelly, and Sueing, their best years were also at Cal. All of them seem to have made a little mistake leaving Cal. All four had their limitations. I think Cal would have had a better record with them all staying, but Sweet 16 very unlikely, and making the tournament no cinch either.

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Understatement of the year. You think?

NCAAs much less the Sweet 16 are no guarantees for anyone, but it would have been that caliber of team. You have the rim protector freak who can stretch out defenses by shooting threes. You have two skilled wings in Bradley and Sueing, both who can create their own shot. Then you have the very stable Kelly who will provide good post presence as well as solid PF play. From that nucleus, we just needed to add pieces for depth. With a good coach of course (so all this could be for naught with Wyking or Fox), we would have been formidable.

Speaking of good coaches, how about that Shantay:

https://www.ncaa.com/news/basketball-men/article/2022-11-04/10-coaches-rise-mens-college-basketball-ranked-andy-katz

I would prefer Shantay over Pasternack, although I would be OK with Pasternack.

Huh? Looks like all the transfers are on winning teams. Bradley and Sueing have played in the tourney. They (except kelly) did give up a Cal degree but oh well.

And I sure would've liked to have seen how vanover would've developed with consistent playing time. Don't think he played much at Arkansas.

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HearstMining said:

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Thank you, Bearister. Vanover, for the first half of his season at Cal, he looked totally bewildered thenb strung together a few good games at the end and finally bailed (I certainly can't criticize him for THAT), which ensured his enshrinement in the Cal "Woulda, Coulda, Shoulda" Hall of Fame. He didn't do squat at Arkansas in the . . . I assume three years he was there. Looking at Oral Roberts' schedule, they play in a conference with heavyweights like the University of Missouri - well, actually the University of Missouri at Kansas City.

So no, I don't think he would have blossomed at Cal. Watching the video, two things stand out: Vanover's agility has improved and ORU still has "Expect a Miracle" painted along one of the baselines.

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If we had all those players as 23 year old sixth years, we would have a solid tourney run no matter who was coaching.

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…even if it was Red Klotz.

KoreAmBear said:

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Connor is blowing up his senior year:



https://www.instagram.com/reel/Cnp0k5_JpgH/?igshid=NDk5N2NlZjQ=

Imagine if we had Vanover, Bradley, Kelly and Sueing? Sweet 16. Shows that Wyking could at least recruit.

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This is truly The One that Got Away

Aidan Mahaney Stats, News, Bio | ESPN


https://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/player/_/id/4684628/aidan-mahaney

KoreAmBear said:

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SFCityBear said:

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KoreAmBear said:

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Connor is blowing up his senior year:



https://www.instagram.com/reel/Cnp0k5_JpgH/?igshid=NDk5N2NlZjQ=

Imagine if we had Vanover, Bradley, Kelly and Sueing? Sweet 16. Shows that Wyking could at least recruit.

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I for one think all fans should be allowed to have their dreams. Especially these days, when it is pretty much all we've got.

Getting back to earth, however, Conover's best year in P5 conference play was at Cal. And it was his best year shooting the three ball. As for the Bradley, Kelly, and Sueing, their best years were also at Cal. All of them seem to have made a little mistake leaving Cal. All four had their limitations. I think Cal would have had a better record with them all staying, but Sweet 16 very unlikely, and making the tournament no cinch either.

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Understatement of the year. You think?

NCAAs much less the Sweet 16 are no guarantees for anyone, but it would have been that caliber of team. You have the rim protector freak who can stretch out defenses by shooting threes. You have two skilled wings in Bradley and Sueing, both who can create their own shot. Then you have the very stable Kelly who will provide good post presence as well as solid PF play. From that nucleus, we just needed to add pieces for depth. With a good coach of course (so all this could be for naught with Wyking or Fox), we would have been formidable.

Speaking of good coaches, how about that Shantay:

https://www.ncaa.com/news/basketball-men/article/2022-11-04/10-coaches-rise-mens-college-basketball-ranked-andy-katz

I would prefer Shantay over Pasternack, although I would be OK with Pasternack.

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Me too. The ONLY reason to prefer Pasternak is the promise that there are big donors who would put up BIG NIL for Pasternak (and no one else), because I do trust Pasternak to be effective in coordinating those expenditures. Joe could be the ideal Cal coach in the NIL era, especially if he brings in smart, charismatic Cal basketball alums as assistants.

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Glad to see Vanover enjoying some success at Oral Roberts / Sam Potter University. Maybe I will try and contact him and get two autographed pics: one for me and one for bearister.

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I only want it if he is sporting the cornrows/pig tails hybrid and he signs it "F@uck you, bearister"
CV

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Pretty sure I will be able to talk him into that. I bet he hates the way his "'do-of-the-week" would get him suspended at OR/SPU. Dude could fly his freak flag in Berkeley. Plus, no bearister at OR/SPU. Talk about regrets...

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Dude could fly his freak flag in Berkeley. Plus, no bearister. Talk about regrets...

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"Almost cut my hair
It happened just the other day
It's gettin' kinda long
I coulda said it wasn't in my way
But I didn't and I wonder why
I feel like letting my freak flag fly
Yes, I feel like I owe it to someone"

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KoreAmBear said:

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Speaking of good coaches, how about that Shantay:

https://www.ncaa.com/news/basketball-men/article/2022-11-04/10-coaches-rise-mens-college-basketball-ranked-andy-katz

I would prefer Shantay over Pasternack, although I would be OK with Pasternack.

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I'd prefer anyone with a pulse and whose last name isn't Fox.

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Wyking Jones is available

Ursine said:

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barsad said:

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KoreAmBear said:

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Speaking of good coaches, how about that Shantay:

https://www.ncaa.com/news/basketball-men/article/2022-11-04/10-coaches-rise-mens-college-basketball-ranked-andy-katz

I would prefer Shantay over Pasternack, although I would be OK with Pasternack.

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I'd prefer anyone with a pulse and whose last name isn't Fox.

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Wyking Jones is available

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Actually, he's gainfully employed as an assistant at UW. Unlike Fox, who was unemployed for over a year when a search firm peddled him onto our simpleton in charge.

PtownBear1 said:

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Ursine said:

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barsad said:

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KoreAmBear said:

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Speaking of good coaches, how about that Shantay:

https://www.ncaa.com/news/basketball-men/article/2022-11-04/10-coaches-rise-mens-college-basketball-ranked-andy-katz

I would prefer Shantay over Pasternack, although I would be OK with Pasternack.

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I'd prefer anyone with a pulse and whose last name isn't Fox.

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Wyking Jones is available

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Actually, he's gainfully employed as an assistant at UW. Unlike Fox, who was unemployed for over a year when a search firm peddled him onto our simpleton in charge.

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I'm sure he'd be happy to take another few million off our hands.

Oral Roberts together as a team is blowing up the Summit Conference. Did anyone happen to notice that Connor Vanover is making his threes, but so is just about everyone on that team except a couple scrubs and the water boy? Vanover at a respectable .347 is currently only the 7th best three point shooter on that team! The leader in percentage is Mwamba at .469, followed by McBride at .443, and Weaver at .418. The volume shooter is Max Abmas at .385, who is averaging 4 made threes per game. As a team Oral Roberts drains 11 threes per game! Abmas was on the 2021 Oral Roberts team that upset #7 Ohio State in the NCAA and lost in the Sweet 16. Oral Roberts is 11-0 in the Summit league right now, and it looks like they are looking to do some damage in the NCAA this year.

bearister said:

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KoreAmBear said:

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Connor is blowing up his senior year:



https://www.instagram.com/reel/Cnp0k5_JpgH/?igshid=NDk5N2NlZjQ=

Imagine if we had Vanover, Bradley, Kelly and Sueing? Sweet 16. Shows that Wyking could at least recruit.

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This is truly The One that Got Away

Aidan Mahaney Stats, News, Bio | ESPN


https://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/player/_/id/4684628/aidan-mahaney

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At first glance, I was a little puzzled that Mahaney's assists were only 1.9/game. I thought he was once being billed as the possible saviour at point guard for the Cal offense. Then I looked at the St Mary's roster and it appears that the senior Logan Johnson is the main point guard, getting 3.8 assists/game. St Mary's appears to be going mostly with a three guard offense, with senior Alex Ducas being the 3rd guard. Probably a pretty interesting team to watch. With the Transfer portal, can we dare to dream that Mahaney could show up in a Cal uni yet, sometime in the next few years? Probably not.

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Oral Roberts together as a team is blowing up the Summit Conference. Did anyone happen to notice that Connor Vanover is making his threes, but so is just about everyone on that team except a couple scrubs and the water boy? Vanover at a respectable .347 is currently only the 7th best three point shooter on that team! The leader in percentage is Mwamba at .469, followed by McBride at .443, and Weaver at .418. The volume shooter is Max Abmas at .385, who is averaging 4 made threes per game. As a team Oral Roberts drains 11 threes per game! Abmas was on the 2021 Oral Roberts team that upset #7 Ohio State in the NCAA and lost in the Sweet 16. Oral Roberts is 11-0 in the Summit league right now, and it looks like they are looking to do some damage in the NCAA this year.

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Can we hire their coach?

southseasbear said:

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SFCityBear said:

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Oral Roberts together as a team is blowing up the Summit Conference. Did anyone happen to notice that Connor Vanover is making his threes, but so is just about everyone on that team except a couple scrubs and the water boy? Vanover at a respectable .347 is currently only the 7th best three point shooter on that team! The leader in percentage is Mwamba at .469, followed by McBride at .443, and Weaver at .418. The volume shooter is Max Abmas at .385, who is averaging 4 made threes per game. As a team Oral Roberts drains 11 threes per game! Abmas was on the 2021 Oral Roberts team that upset #7 Ohio State in the NCAA and lost in the Sweet 16. Oral Roberts is 11-0 in the Summit league right now, and it looks like they are looking to do some damage in the NCAA this year.

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Can we hire their coach?

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Paul Mills. He's never had a losing season. It would be a challenge for him.

And his Oral Roberts team did lose that Sweet 16 game to Arkansas, coached by Eric Musselman, who we either tried to hire, or he tried to apply for the Cal job, and we fumbled it - I can't remember which.

And now, Dennis Gates will say to Vanover "Show Me" -
4th School for Connor (does he still wear a bun?)
Remember Connor Vanover? He's Heading to Missouri Now - Sports Illustrated Cal Bears News, Analysis and More

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And now, Dennis Gates will say to Vanover "Show Me" -
4th School for Connor (does he still wear a bun?)
Remember Connor Vanover? He's Heading to Missouri Now - Sports Illustrated Cal Bears News, Analysis and More

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Big C's favorite player.

I own it. Loved the way that guy was playing for us, the last 10 games or so of his freshman year. Wish he had stayed.

On the defensive end Cal was playing 4 on 5 when Twin Pigtail Boy was in. He is going to end up playing in more college programs than Joe Montana's sons did.

I don't think Vanover is a good fit for Madsen's offense, as he's too slow (although he does have a 3 pointer .... how bout 5 out?)

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On the defensive end Cal was playing 4 on 5 when Twin Pigtail Boy was in

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HoopDreams said:

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I don't think Vanover is a good fit for Madsen's offense, as he's too slow (although he does have a 3 pointer .... how bout 5 out?)

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Either we'd be playing 4 on 5 at both ends or everyone else would have to slow down. That wouldn't work.

He is playing for Dennis Gates and Missouri now, so we will see how Dennis uses him.