The player in the leg brace was Josh Ragsdale.oskidunker said:Inthought I saw the Askew hair doosmokeyrover said:oskidunker said:
Lars is not participating in pre game workouts. Askew has a leg brace.
Askew is not here. Wasn't on the bench Thurs either.
Celestine in uniform, not participating in warmups though.
stu said:I have no excuse - I live in North Oakland. But I chose to go for a bike ride because it wasn't too cold or raining.southseasbear said:
I live in LA. I'm not going to drive 6 hours (probably more in this weather) to see this game...
Sorry to miss senior day but:
* Thursday we set a new Cal record for most losses in a season.
* Today we tied the Cal record for most conference losses in a season.
* Next week we'll probably set a new Cal record for most conference losses in a season.
* If we don't win any PAC-12 Tournament games we'll set new Cal records for fewest wins and worst percentage.
great recap. a few disappointing calls from the refs too (though I generally dislike pinning games on officiating).HoopDreams said:
Brown and 2K were very aggressive and good things happened. Brown had
2K had 11 and 9, and seemingly took on the entire WSU team at times.
Brown had 13, 7 and 9, not far from a triple double. He could beat his man every time and once in the paint he usually scored or made the right decisions.
The surprise player was Obinna who had his 3rd good game in a row, with this one being the jewel as he locked up WSU 6-11 future NBA player when no one else could
He also scored and hit 4-4 FTs
This game was very competitive with the difference being:
1. WSU Gueye who changed the game on both sides of the court. WSU was a completely different team with him in the game.
2. FTs. WSU hit theirs (including Gueye's 9-9 with outfitting the rim once
3. The lid on the basketlast 5 minutes... We had 5 shots in a row that were either point blank range starting with Grant's missed dunk, to several shots that were in and out, or just rolled off
Very sad for me to see the seniors walk off the floor for the last time
HoopDreams said:
Brown and 2K were very aggressive and good things happened. Brown had
2K had 11 and 9, and seemingly took on the entire WSU team at times.
Brown had 13, 7 and 9, not far from a triple double. He could beat his man every time and once in the paint he usually scored or made the right decisions.
The surprise player was Obinna who had his 3rd good game in a row, with this one being the jewel as he locked up WSU 6-11 future NBA player when no one else could
He also scored and hit 4-4 FTs
This game was very competitive with the difference being:
1. WSU Gueye who changed the game on both sides of the court. WSU was a completely different team with him in the game.
2. FTs. WSU hit theirs (including Gueye's 9-9 with outfitting the rim once
3. The lid on the basketlast 5 minutes... We had 5 shots in a row that were either point blank range starting with Grant's missed dunk, to several shots that were in and out, or just rolled off
Very sad for me to see the seniors walk off the floor for the last time
HoopDreams said:
Brown and 2K were very aggressive and good things happened.
2K had 11 and 9, and seemingly took on the entire WSU team at times.
Brown had 13, 7 and 9, not far from a triple double. He could beat his man every time and once in the paint he usually scored or made the right decisions.
The surprise player was Obinna who had his 3rd good game in a row, with this one being the jewel as he locked up WSU 6-11 future NBA player when no one else could
He also scored and hit 4-4 FTs
This game was very competitive with the difference being:
1. WSU Gueye who changed the game on both sides of the court. WSU was a completely different team with him in the game.
2. FTs. WSU hit theirs (including Gueye's 9-9 wittout hitting the rim once
3. The lid on the basket the last 5 minutes... We had 5 shots in a row that were either point blank range starting with Grant's missed dunk, to several shots that were in and out, or just rolled off
Very sad for me to see the seniors walk off the floor for the last time
Big C said:HoopDreams said:
Brown and 2K were very aggressive and good things happened. Brown had
2K had 11 and 9, and seemingly took on the entire WSU team at times.
Brown had 13, 7 and 9, not far from a triple double. He could beat his man every time and once in the paint he usually scored or made the right decisions.
The surprise player was Obinna who had his 3rd good game in a row, with this one being the jewel as he locked up WSU 6-11 future NBA player when no one else could
He also scored and hit 4-4 FTs
This game was very competitive with the difference being:
1. WSU Gueye who changed the game on both sides of the court. WSU was a completely different team with him in the game.
2. FTs. WSU hit theirs (including Gueye's 9-9 with outfitting the rim once
3. The lid on the basketlast 5 minutes... We had 5 shots in a row that were either point blank range starting with Grant's missed dunk, to several shots that were in and out, or just rolled off
Very sad for me to see the seniors walk off the floor for the last time
It's unfortunate that the year was so lousy, but I will retain good memories of Joel Brown, Lars Thiemann and Kuany Kuany.
Changing assistants wont make any difference. Already told Cal I will not renew if Fox returns.barsad said:Big C said:HoopDreams said:
Brown and 2K were very aggressive and good things happened. Brown had
2K had 11 and 9, and seemingly took on the entire WSU team at times.
Brown had 13, 7 and 9, not far from a triple double. He could beat his man every time and once in the paint he usually scored or made the right decisions.
The surprise player was Obinna who had his 3rd good game in a row, with this one being the jewel as he locked up WSU 6-11 future NBA player when no one else could
He also scored and hit 4-4 FTs
This game was very competitive with the difference being:
1. WSU Gueye who changed the game on both sides of the court. WSU was a completely different team with him in the game.
2. FTs. WSU hit theirs (including Gueye's 9-9 with outfitting the rim once
3. The lid on the basketlast 5 minutes... We had 5 shots in a row that were either point blank range starting with Grant's missed dunk, to several shots that were in and out, or just rolled off
Very sad for me to see the seniors walk off the floor for the last time
It's unfortunate that the year was so lousy, but I will retain good memories of Joel Brown, Lars Thiemann and Kuany Kuany.
Good memories… hm, nope, not going to go that far. This season (and every Fox-tainted season) will go down as the Dark Ages of Cal hoops, and unfortunately for those fine young men they will always be connected to this disaster. I appreciate every player that dons the Cal uniform and tries his best out there.
But I don't believe in soft-pedaling it. Lars and Joel did not prove to be at a Pac-12 starter level, but we had to use them that way because who else did we have? You could make a case for 2K, but he never found himself as a scorer, and God knows we needed a scorer. I wish them the best and honor their effort, but let's not pretend this was something to be proud of.
I hope we are secretly interviewing now. I hope today was the last day Fox sets foot in Haas. I know it's definitely the last day I will set foot in Haas with Fox on the sidelines. If he's staying, we need all season ticket holders to show some balls and boycott.
No response from the sales rep who emailed me.barsad said:
Thanks oskidunker for making your intentions known to the sales office. If JK has any sense (I know, it's a big "if"), he will have a meeting after their 28th loss and ask how many confirmed season ticket nonrenewals they have. It will be a factor in whether Fox is fired or not, $$ and attendance matters. Those who think Fox's firing is a done deal without talking to their sales rep are sadly mistaken.
No. I was watching ND dunk.SonomanA1 said:
I went to the game to support our players. They had their chances but unfortunately couldn't make the necessary baskets. Did anyone see the WSU alumnus and Bay Area favorite there?
barsad said:Big C said:HoopDreams said:
Brown and 2K were very aggressive and good things happened. Brown had
2K had 11 and 9, and seemingly took on the entire WSU team at times.
Brown had 13, 7 and 9, not far from a triple double. He could beat his man every time and once in the paint he usually scored or made the right decisions.
The surprise player was Obinna who had his 3rd good game in a row, with this one being the jewel as he locked up WSU 6-11 future NBA player when no one else could
He also scored and hit 4-4 FTs
This game was very competitive with the difference being:
1. WSU Gueye who changed the game on both sides of the court. WSU was a completely different team with him in the game.
2. FTs. WSU hit theirs (including Gueye's 9-9 with outfitting the rim once
3. The lid on the basketlast 5 minutes... We had 5 shots in a row that were either point blank range starting with Grant's missed dunk, to several shots that were in and out, or just rolled off
Very sad for me to see the seniors walk off the floor for the last time
It's unfortunate that the year was so lousy, but I will retain good memories of Joel Brown, Lars Thiemann and Kuany Kuany.
Good memories… hm, nope, not going to go that far. This season (and every Fox-tainted season) will go down as the Dark Ages of Cal hoops, and unfortunately for those fine young men they will always be connected to this disaster. I appreciate every player that dons the Cal uniform and tries his best out there.
But I don't believe in soft-pedaling it. Lars and Joel did not prove to be at a Pac-12 starter level, but we had to use them that way because who else did we have? You could make a case for 2K, but he never found himself as a scorer, and God knows we needed a scorer. I wish them the best and honor their effort, but let's not pretend this was something to be proud of.
I hope we are secretly interviewing now. I hope today was the last day Fox sets foot in Haas. I know it's definitely the last day I will set foot in Haas with Fox on the sidelines. If he's staying, we need all season ticket holders to show some balls and boycott.
Maybe Roxy doesn't want his bro-in-law (Pasternack) to get the job?bearister said:
PAC 12 Network have you no common decency? You have even weaponized our beloved Roxy Bernstein as a purveyor of the Mark Fox "great coach snake bit by bad luck player injuries" pity party narrative.
bearister said:
"Lars and Joel did not prove to be at a Pac-12 starter level.."
Strongly disagree about Lars. At the college level, surrounded by a decent cast where the opponent couldn't afford the luxury of double teaming him and the passes into him would be more refined, he would have been smashing it inside. He has a good touch around the basket. In the 36 years I have had season tickets, Cal has had a parade of big fellers with stone hands that couldn't make a bunny with no one within 10 feet of them.
Joel is more debatable. He had some solid games and also would have benefitted from a stronger cast. You have to be well above an average PAC 12 starter to impose your will in any meaningful way on this team and with this coach.
UghBig C said:bearister said:
"Lars and Joel did not prove to be at a Pac-12 starter level.."
Strongly disagree about Lars. At the college level, surrounded by a decent cast where the opponent couldn't afford the luxury of double teaming him and the passes into him would be more refined, he would have been smashing it inside. He has a good touch around the basket. In the 36 years I have had season tickets, Cal has had a parade of big fellers with stone hands that couldn't make a bunny with no one within 10 feet of them.
Joel is more debatable. He had some solid games and also would have benefitted from a stronger cast. You have to be well above an average PAC 12 starter to impose your will in any meaningful way on this team and with this coach.
I'm a Lars fan, but let's face it, he's no Connor Vanover.
oskidunker said:UghBig C said:bearister said:
"Lars and Joel did not prove to be at a Pac-12 starter level.."
Strongly disagree about Lars. At the college level, surrounded by a decent cast where the opponent couldn't afford the luxury of double teaming him and the passes into him would be more refined, he would have been smashing it inside. He has a good touch around the basket. In the 36 years I have had season tickets, Cal has had a parade of big fellers with stone hands that couldn't make a bunny with no one within 10 feet of them.
Joel is more debatable. He had some solid games and also would have benefitted from a stronger cast. You have to be well above an average PAC 12 starter to impose your will in any meaningful way on this team and with this coach.
I'm a Lars fan, but let's face it, he's no Connor Vanover.
Bad hands. End of story.bearister said:
"I knew Lars. Lars was a friend of mine. Connor Vanover is no Lars."
Big C said:oskidunker said:UghBig C said:bearister said:
"Lars and Joel did not prove to be at a Pac-12 starter level.."
Strongly disagree about Lars. At the college level, surrounded by a decent cast where the opponent couldn't afford the luxury of double teaming him and the passes into him would be more refined, he would have been smashing it inside. He has a good touch around the basket. In the 36 years I have had season tickets, Cal has had a parade of big fellers with stone hands that couldn't make a bunny with no one within 10 feet of them.
Joel is more debatable. He had some solid games and also would have benefitted from a stronger cast. You have to be well above an average PAC 12 starter to impose your will in any meaningful way on this team and with this coach.
I'm a Lars fan, but let's face it, he's no Connor Vanover.
Do I need to go back and put a smile face on that? OK, done. (Still liked Vanover, though. Wish he'd stayed.)
oskidunker said:Bad hands. End of story.bearister said:
"I knew Lars. Lars was a friend of mine. Connor Vanover is no Lars."
bearister said:oskidunker said:Bad hands. End of story.bearister said:
"I knew Lars. Lars was a friend of mine. Connor Vanover is no Lars."
List the Cal Big Men throughout history that were possessed of great hands and a good shooting touch around the basket. Admittedly, Lars fumbles passes he should handle.
He was pretty good, even when he had only one leg.EdfromCal said:
Brian Hendrick
Big C said:bearister said:oskidunker said:Bad hands. End of story.bearister said:
"I knew Lars. Lars was a friend of mine. Connor Vanover is no Lars."
List the Cal Big Men throughout history that were possessed of great hands and a good shooting touch around the basket. Admittedly, Lars fumbles passes he should handle.
Lars is Roberto Duran's maxi-me. (I know bearister will get the boxing reference.)
Darryl Imhoff and Mark McNamara were our best.Big C said:
Going back a-ways (like me!): the late Mark McNamara, low post scoring machine. Led the Pac 10 in scoring, rebounding and FG% his senior year.
Powe, Kravish, Rabb and MSF come to mind.southseasbear said:Darryl Imhoff and Mark McNamara were our best.Big C said:
Going back a-ways (like me!): the late Mark McNamara, low post scoring machine. Led the Pac 10 in scoring, rebounding and FG% his senior year.
Theiman's field goal percentage is only .490 this year (.522 overall), which isn't very good for a big man that primarily only shoots from around the basket. Going back about 30 years: Kelly, Lee, Rabb, Rooks, Solomon, Boykin, MSF, Kamp, Anderson, Benson, Powe, S. Hughes, Lampley, Grigsby, Marks, Stewart, SAR, and Hendrick all played in the post, had much better hands, and had comparable, if not better, field goal percentages around the basket.bearister said:oskidunker said:Bad hands. End of story.bearister said:
"I knew Lars. Lars was a friend of mine. Connor Vanover is no Lars."
List the Cal Big Men throughout history that were possessed of great hands and a good shooting touch around the basket. Admittedly, Lars fumbles passes he should handle.
You listed only 4 centers (Rooks, Solomon, Stewart, MSF), maybe Lee for 5, and maybe 6 if you add Kelly, and going back farther, Ellis(?) and SampsonCivil Bear said:Theiman's field goal percentage is only .490 this year (.522 overall), which isn't very good for a big man that primarily only shoots from around the basket. Going back about 30 years: Kelly, Lee, Rabb, Rooks, Solomon, Boykin, MSF, Kamp, Anderson, Benson, Powe, S. Hughes, Lampley, Grigsby, Marks, Stewart, SAR, and Hendrick all played in the post, had much better hands, and had comparable, if not better, field goal percentages around the basket.bearister said:oskidunker said:Bad hands. End of story.bearister said:
"I knew Lars. Lars was a friend of mine. Connor Vanover is no Lars."
List the Cal Big Men throughout history that were possessed of great hands and a good shooting touch around the basket. Admittedly, Lars fumbles passes he should handle.
Edited after some fact-checking
HoopDreams said:You listed only 4 centers (Rooks, Solomon, Stewart, MSF), maybe Lee for 5, and maybe 6 if you add Kelly, and going back farther, Ellis(?) and SampsonCivil Bear said:Theiman's field goal percentage is only .490 this year (.522 overall), which isn't very good for a big man that primarily only shoots from around the basket. Going back about 30 years: Kelly, Lee, Rabb, Rooks, Solomon, Boykin, MSF, Kamp, Anderson, Benson, Powe, S. Hughes, Lampley, Grigsby, Marks, Stewart, SAR, and Hendrick all played in the post, had much better hands, and had comparable, if not better, field goal percentages around the basket.bearister said:oskidunker said:Bad hands. End of story.bearister said:
"I knew Lars. Lars was a friend of mine. Connor Vanover is no Lars."
List the Cal Big Men throughout history that were possessed of great hands and a good shooting touch around the basket. Admittedly, Lars fumbles passes he should handle.
Edited after some fact-checking
Everyone else was a PF on your list
No problem. If you want to add all bigs then we've actually had many good to great posts
