let's make it even easier and scratch both off the list.Strykur said:Let's make it easy, compare the Fox tenure in Berkeley to what Miles has done in less than 2 seasons in San Jose, not even in the same universe.calumnus said:Miles' later teams at Colorado State, Nebraska and San Jose are all better than his early teams. His best teams at Colorado State are years 4 and 5 (of 5), his best years at Nebraska are years 6 and 7 (of 7), his best year at San Jose State is now Year 2 of 2. His teams improve over time, glacially, and not enough, but they improve.BearSD said:The comparison isn't Cal/SJSU, it'scalumnus said:BearSD said:Not only that, but "Better than Fox" is a bar that Tim Miles doesn't clear. He has fewer 20-won seasons in his coaching career than Fox. Miles' coaching career is a not-quite-as-good version of Fox's, if you can believe that.calumnus said:
"Better than Fox" is an incredibly low bar.
Fox has Cal with the lowest winning percentage in the country. There are literally over 360 coaches with better winning percentages, and that is just the head coaches. Probably another 100 top assistants are better too. I know the coach at SFCC would be better, pobsbly some high school coaches as well.
Please, not Miles. We are in a huge hole, need an injection of excitement and he will not move the needle.
Hard pass.
Miles is definitely a better coach, smarter, better people person (though both have similar in game personas-ugh) but Fox has had better opportunities at every step, including now. Cal is a MUCH better program historically than San Jose State. Fox just handed us the worst season in Cal history, the worst in the entire country. I am sure they are out there, but there is zero evidence ANYONE is a worse coach. The coach at UCSD makes $70,000 a year, faces tougher admission standards, buy out coached Fox in their win over Cal.
Again, a huge NO to both. We can do much better.
Colorado State (Miles) / Nevada (Fox) followed by
Nebraska (Miles) / Georgia (Fox)
https://www.sports-reference.com/cbb/coaches/tim-miles-1.html
https://www.sports-reference.com/cbb/coaches/mark-fox-1.html
At any rate, we agree that Fox should be out and Miles should not be in.
Mark Fox's best team's were 3 of 5 at Nevada, 2 of 9 at Georgia and 1 of 4 at Cal. He comes in and pushes the existing players to play tough defense and gets an immediate bump and then generally coasts downhill from there. He is just not a good coach, but is a world class excuse maker including sanctimoniously complaining about everyone else cheating while Georgia boosters continued to do what Georgia boosters do. At Cal his excuse making has been epic and he is salting the ground with the "it is impossible to win at Cal" propaganda which many buy despite Cal earning a 4 seed and finishing ranked in recent memory.
Tim Miles? Please no
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Great idea....let's hire a guy who has a 214-237 career record because he now has a 27-35 record at San Jose St,,,, MFer has a better career record....What are we even doing wasting time on this guy.....Get a shovel and dig a big hole to bury this program even deeper than it already is if you hire him....
100%. The program is dying. If Miles becomes the coach, there really is no point. Just tear down Haas and build another Physics building. It would be more valuable to the university. I guess this means that he probably already has the contract and just needs to wait until his season is over before signing it.
I think we could get better attendance in a new Physics building than in Haas with another retread coach.
Plus many to all of you. Miles has shown NOTHING. And it is important to note just how much of this year's "success" (10 and 8 in conference) is a function of having a senior point guard who he inheritied.
https://thespearsjsu.com/?p=17998
https://thespearsjsu.com/?p=17998
THat "best year" had a 4th place finish in the Big10, a first round loss to Michigan and a first round loss in the NIT. Come on. Really?BearSD said:The comparison isn't Cal/SJSU, it'scalumnus said:BearSD said:Not only that, but "Better than Fox" is a bar that Tim Miles doesn't clear. He has fewer 20-won seasons in his coaching career than Fox. Miles' coaching career is a not-quite-as-good version of Fox's, if you can believe that.calumnus said:
"Better than Fox" is an incredibly low bar.
Fox has Cal with the lowest winning percentage in the country. There are literally over 360 coaches with better winning percentages, and that is just the head coaches. Probably another 100 top assistants are better too. I know the coach at SFCC would be better, pobsbly some high school coaches as well.
Please, not Miles. We are in a huge hole, need an injection of excitement and he will not move the needle.
Hard pass.
Miles is definitely a better coach, smarter, better people person (though both have similar in game personas-ugh) but Fox has had better opportunities at every step, including now. Cal is a MUCH better program historically than San Jose State. Fox just handed us the worst season in Cal history, the worst in the entire country. I am sure they are out there, but there is zero evidence ANYONE is a worse coach. The coach at UCSD makes $70,000 a year, faces tougher admission standards, buy out coached Fox in their win over Cal.
Again, a huge NO to both. We can do much better.
Colorado State (Miles) / Nevada (Fox) followed by
Nebraska (Miles) / Georgia (Fox)
https://www.sports-reference.com/cbb/coaches/tim-miles-1.html
https://www.sports-reference.com/cbb/coaches/mark-fox-1.html
At any rate, we agree that Fox should be out and Miles should not be in.
Conzo, are you listening?socaltownie said:THat "best year" had a 4th place finish in the Big10, a first round loss to Michigan and a first round loss in the NIT. Come on. Really?BearSD said:The comparison isn't Cal/SJSU, it'scalumnus said:BearSD said:Not only that, but "Better than Fox" is a bar that Tim Miles doesn't clear. He has fewer 20-won seasons in his coaching career than Fox. Miles' coaching career is a not-quite-as-good version of Fox's, if you can believe that.calumnus said:
"Better than Fox" is an incredibly low bar.
Fox has Cal with the lowest winning percentage in the country. There are literally over 360 coaches with better winning percentages, and that is just the head coaches. Probably another 100 top assistants are better too. I know the coach at SFCC would be better, pobsbly some high school coaches as well.
Please, not Miles. We are in a huge hole, need an injection of excitement and he will not move the needle.
Hard pass.
Miles is definitely a better coach, smarter, better people person (though both have similar in game personas-ugh) but Fox has had better opportunities at every step, including now. Cal is a MUCH better program historically than San Jose State. Fox just handed us the worst season in Cal history, the worst in the entire country. I am sure they are out there, but there is zero evidence ANYONE is a worse coach. The coach at UCSD makes $70,000 a year, faces tougher admission standards, buy out coached Fox in their win over Cal.
Again, a huge NO to both. We can do much better.
Colorado State (Miles) / Nevada (Fox) followed by
Nebraska (Miles) / Georgia (Fox)
https://www.sports-reference.com/cbb/coaches/tim-miles-1.html
https://www.sports-reference.com/cbb/coaches/mark-fox-1.html
At any rate, we agree that Fox should be out and Miles should not be in.
****, Knowlton interviewed Miles last time, he was also unemployed at the time (had just been fired by Nebraska) "the interview went well" (I'm sure Knowlton felt "comfortable" and they had a lot in common) and Miles might have even been the runner up to Fox (who he calls his "friend":
https://omaha.com/sports/huskers/mens-basketball/six-months-after-he-was-fired-tim-miles-is-still-in-lincoln-figuring-out-whats/article_a3b31f5c-93f2-5a77-9fc3-cb0b6114a607.html
https://omaha.com/sports/huskers/mens-basketball/six-months-after-he-was-fired-tim-miles-is-still-in-lincoln-figuring-out-whats/article_a3b31f5c-93f2-5a77-9fc3-cb0b6114a607.html
Oh no. So there's already a connection. This is not good.
BC Calfan said:
Oh no. So there's already a connection. This is not good.
Worse, he is marketing himself to Knowlton:
"Call me FEMA" how Tim Miles is rebuilding SJSU from a disastrous state
https://www.sfchronicle.com/sports/college/article/Tim-Miles-SJSU-17674566.php
Tim Miles sure seems like more of the same and would be an incredibly poor selection, though completely on brand for Jim Knowlton. He would literally be another Mark Fox, and his hiring would bring no energy to the program whatsoever...no excitement, no fanfare. The fanbase is already decidedly anti-Miles as a fit in Berkeley, which, perhaps unfair, seems justified. His track record at Nebraska should be a cautionary tale for Cal.
At this time, Cal sure needs a younger, dynamic leader with head coaching experience, not a 56-year old retread that has no history of building and sustaining a program.
Guys like Joe Pasternack, Ryan Odom, Amir Abdur-Rahim, Chris Victor, Stan Johnson should be contacted...these would be solid hires...hungry, successful guys.
At this time, Cal sure needs a younger, dynamic leader with head coaching experience, not a 56-year old retread that has no history of building and sustaining a program.
Guys like Joe Pasternack, Ryan Odom, Amir Abdur-Rahim, Chris Victor, Stan Johnson should be contacted...these would be solid hires...hungry, successful guys.
Agree! We should want to hire a "youngish" media-friendly coach whose career is in the process of ascending... even if one of the reasons is that it's a response to the past four years.
Also, especially, player-friendly and fan-friendly. And I wouldn't mind academic-friendly.
Pasternack fits the description
45 years old
Galvanized UCSB donor community
Has a resume of both high octane recruiting & winning as HC
45 years old
Galvanized UCSB donor community
Has a resume of both high octane recruiting & winning as HC
eastcoastcal said:
Pasternack fits the description
45 years old
Galvanized UCSB donor community
Has a resume of both high octane recruiting & winning as HC
In his 11 years as a HC (8 at Santa Barbara), Pasternak has never landed a Top 100 high school player and was not considered the top recruiter at Arizona. However, he recruits internationally and has landed a few top transfers like Mike Norris from Oregon, Jaquiri McLaughlin from Oregon State, Andre Kelly from Cal, Ajare Sanni from Pacific….
He would be a rather meh choose for me, better than a retread, so acceptable, with only one major selling point: the rumor that there are specific major donors who would pay Fox's buyout and would back Pasternak with major NIL funds, funds that I am very confident he would spend well on shopping the Transfer Portal to assemble a good team.
Fair enough about his recruiting, though I don't think it's realistically possible to get a top 100 player to UCSB out of high school- for what it's worth, it seems that he is credited with bringing a few top players to Arizona- Ira Lee (prolific prep!) and Emmanuel Akot (top 25 player) but agreed that he doesn't have the recruiting resume of someone who's landed tons of top 50 players. As you say though, the NIL piece is huge and frankly everything in today's age. Which likely makes him a great candidate for us.calumnus said:eastcoastcal said:
Pasternack fits the description
45 years old
Galvanized UCSB donor community
Has a resume of both high octane recruiting & winning as HC
In his 11 years as a HC (8 at Santa Barbara), Pasternak has never landed a Top 100 high school player and was not considered the top recruiter at Arizona. However, he recruits internationally and has landed a few top transfers like Mike Norris from Oregon, Jaquiri McLaughlin from Oregon State, Andre Kelly from Cal, Ajare Sanni from Pacific….
He would be a rather meh choose for me, better than a retread, so acceptable, with only one major selling point: the rumor that there are specific major donors who would pay Fox's buyout and would back Pasternak with major NIL funds, funds that I am very confident he would spend well on shopping the Transfer Portal to assemble a good team.
I think him as a HC, plus a loaded staff full of former Cal guys is a great combo
eastcoastcal said:Fair enough about his recruiting, though I don't think it's realistically possible to get a top 100 player to UCSB out of high school- for what it's worth, it seems that he is credited with bringing a few top players to Arizona- Ira Lee (prolific prep!) and Emmanuel Akot (top 25 player) but agreed that he doesn't have the recruiting resume of someone who's landed tons of top 50 players. As you say though, the NIL piece is huge and frankly everything in today's age. Which likely makes him a great candidate for us.calumnus said:eastcoastcal said:
Pasternack fits the description
45 years old
Galvanized UCSB donor community
Has a resume of both high octane recruiting & winning as HC
In his 11 years as a HC (8 at Santa Barbara), Pasternak has never landed a Top 100 high school player and was not considered the top recruiter at Arizona. However, he recruits internationally and has landed a few top transfers like Mike Norris from Oregon, Jaquiri McLaughlin from Oregon State, Andre Kelly from Cal, Ajare Sanni from Pacific….
He would be a rather meh choose for me, better than a retread, so acceptable, with only one major selling point: the rumor that there are specific major donors who would pay Fox's buyout and would back Pasternak with major NIL funds, funds that I am very confident he would spend well on shopping the Transfer Portal to assemble a good team.
I think him as a HC, plus a loaded staff full of former Cal guys is a great combo
Agreed. It is a new era. I think he could excel in it with the right backing, which I think he would be good at cultivating but I want assurance it is pledged.
not that I'm defending The Kicker, but Pasternak recruited Amadou Sow over Cal who would have been our best big (better than Kelly). That team took #5 Creighton to the wire in the NCAA (lost by 1 point). He also lead UCSB to the Big West regular season champion (congrats Kelly).eastcoastcal said:Fair enough about his recruiting, though I don't think it's realistically possible to get a top 100 player to UCSB out of high school- for what it's worth, it seems that he is credited with bringing a few top players to Arizona- Ira Lee (prolific prep!) and Emmanuel Akot (top 25 player) but agreed that he doesn't have the recruiting resume of someone who's landed tons of top 50 players. As you say though, the NIL piece is huge and frankly everything in today's age. Which likely makes him a great candidate for us.calumnus said:eastcoastcal said:
Pasternack fits the description
45 years old
Galvanized UCSB donor community
Has a resume of both high octane recruiting & winning as HC
In his 11 years as a HC (8 at Santa Barbara), Pasternak has never landed a Top 100 high school player and was not considered the top recruiter at Arizona. However, he recruits internationally and has landed a few top transfers like Mike Norris from Oregon, Jaquiri McLaughlin from Oregon State, Andre Kelly from Cal, Ajare Sanni from Pacific….
He would be a rather meh choose for me, better than a retread, so acceptable, with only one major selling point: the rumor that there are specific major donors who would pay Fox's buyout and would back Pasternak with major NIL funds, funds that I am very confident he would spend well on shopping the Transfer Portal to assemble a good team.
I think him as a HC, plus a loaded staff full of former Cal guys is a great combo
Also, as noted, he signed transfers Norris and Ira Lee, two other Cal recruits.
Let's see if they win their tournament as it's a one-team league.
Wow, I didn't know that! Thanks for sharing. This makes him even more appealing, if he's able to recruit talent to UCSB. I really hope UCSB wins the Big West conference tournament, as I think a lot of peoples' opinions will materially improve if they see him leading them to another tournament bid. If he can even win a game or two, even better!HoopDreams said:not that I'm defending The Kicker, but Pasternak recruited Amadou Sow over Cal who would have been our best big (better than Kelly). That team took #5 Creighton to the wire in the NCAA (lost by 1 point). He also lead UCSB to the Big West regular season champion (congrats Kelly).eastcoastcal said:Fair enough about his recruiting, though I don't think it's realistically possible to get a top 100 player to UCSB out of high school- for what it's worth, it seems that he is credited with bringing a few top players to Arizona- Ira Lee (prolific prep!) and Emmanuel Akot (top 25 player) but agreed that he doesn't have the recruiting resume of someone who's landed tons of top 50 players. As you say though, the NIL piece is huge and frankly everything in today's age. Which likely makes him a great candidate for us.calumnus said:eastcoastcal said:
Pasternack fits the description
45 years old
Galvanized UCSB donor community
Has a resume of both high octane recruiting & winning as HC
In his 11 years as a HC (8 at Santa Barbara), Pasternak has never landed a Top 100 high school player and was not considered the top recruiter at Arizona. However, he recruits internationally and has landed a few top transfers like Mike Norris from Oregon, Jaquiri McLaughlin from Oregon State, Andre Kelly from Cal, Ajare Sanni from Pacific….
He would be a rather meh choose for me, better than a retread, so acceptable, with only one major selling point: the rumor that there are specific major donors who would pay Fox's buyout and would back Pasternak with major NIL funds, funds that I am very confident he would spend well on shopping the Transfer Portal to assemble a good team.
I think him as a HC, plus a loaded staff full of former Cal guys is a great combo
Also, as noted, he signed transfers Norris and Ira Lee, two other Cal recruits.
Let's see if they win their tournament as it's a one-team league.
I thought Joe p also was lead in recruiting aaron gordon.
Looks like Miles (and Fox) have advantages I hadn't been aware of before reading this:
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HoopDreams said:not that I'm defending The Kicker, but Pasternak recruited Amadou Sow over Cal who would have been our best big (better than Kelly). That team took #5 Creighton to the wire in the NCAA (lost by 1 point). He also lead UCSB to the Big West regular season champion (congrats Kelly).eastcoastcal said:Fair enough about his recruiting, though I don't think it's realistically possible to get a top 100 player to UCSB out of high school- for what it's worth, it seems that he is credited with bringing a few top players to Arizona- Ira Lee (prolific prep!) and Emmanuel Akot (top 25 player) but agreed that he doesn't have the recruiting resume of someone who's landed tons of top 50 players. As you say though, the NIL piece is huge and frankly everything in today's age. Which likely makes him a great candidate for us.calumnus said:eastcoastcal said:
Pasternack fits the description
45 years old
Galvanized UCSB donor community
Has a resume of both high octane recruiting & winning as HC
In his 11 years as a HC (8 at Santa Barbara), Pasternak has never landed a Top 100 high school player and was not considered the top recruiter at Arizona. However, he recruits internationally and has landed a few top transfers like Mike Norris from Oregon, Jaquiri McLaughlin from Oregon State, Andre Kelly from Cal, Ajare Sanni from Pacific….
He would be a rather meh choose for me, better than a retread, so acceptable, with only one major selling point: the rumor that there are specific major donors who would pay Fox's buyout and would back Pasternak with major NIL funds, funds that I am very confident he would spend well on shopping the Transfer Portal to assemble a good team.
I think him as a HC, plus a loaded staff full of former Cal guys is a great combo
Also, as noted, he signed transfers Norris and Ira Lee, two other Cal recruits.
Let's see if they win their tournament as it's a one-team league.
"Pasternack recruited Amadou Sow"... "(better than Kelly)"... then he snagged Kelly as well, for good measure!
Former Nebraska basketball coach wins coach of the year honor
https://cornhuskerswire.usatoday.com/gallery/nebraska-cornhuskers-basketball-tim-miles-san-jose-state-coach-of-the-year/
"A former Nebraska men's basketball coach has won his current conference's coach of the year honor. San Jose State head coach Tim Miles was named the Mountain West Conference Coach of the Year.
Miles is in his second year in charge of the Spartans. His 19 wins this season are the most for the SJSU program since they won 22 games during the 1980-81 season.
This season, the ten conference wins are the most for the Spartans since the 1993-94 campaign. The Spartans now prepare for the Mountain West Conference Tournament.
Before coaching at San Jose State, Miles coached at Nebraska. He ran the Cornhuskers from 2012 to 2019."
D1 HC experience and MW COTY. We could do worse.
https://cornhuskerswire.usatoday.com/gallery/nebraska-cornhuskers-basketball-tim-miles-san-jose-state-coach-of-the-year/
"A former Nebraska men's basketball coach has won his current conference's coach of the year honor. San Jose State head coach Tim Miles was named the Mountain West Conference Coach of the Year.
Miles is in his second year in charge of the Spartans. His 19 wins this season are the most for the SJSU program since they won 22 games during the 1980-81 season.
This season, the ten conference wins are the most for the Spartans since the 1993-94 campaign. The Spartans now prepare for the Mountain West Conference Tournament.
Before coaching at San Jose State, Miles coached at Nebraska. He ran the Cornhuskers from 2012 to 2019."
D1 HC experience and MW COTY. We could do worse.
socaltownie said:
I thought Joe p also was lead in recruiting aaron gordon.
The services credited James Whitford as Arizona's lead recruiter for Gordon:
https://247sports.com/Player/Aaron-Gordon-1282/high-school-1126/
SoFlaBear said:
Former Nebraska basketball coach wins coach of the year honor
https://cornhuskerswire.usatoday.com/gallery/nebraska-cornhuskers-basketball-tim-miles-san-jose-state-coach-of-the-year/
"A former Nebraska men's basketball coach has won his current conference's coach of the year honor. San Jose State head coach Tim Miles was named the Mountain West Conference Coach of the Year.
Miles is in his second year in charge of the Spartans. His 19 wins this season are the most for the SJSU program since they won 22 games during the 1980-81 season.
This season, the ten conference wins are the most for the Spartans since the 1993-94 campaign. The Spartans now prepare for the Mountain West Conference Tournament.
Before coaching at San Jose State, Miles coached at Nebraska. He ran the Cornhuskers from 2012 to 2019."
D1 HC experience and MW COTY. We could do worse.
We have done worse, but we could easily do so much better. Miles would get us to .500 in 5 years. He would not bring excitement or hope for better.
No!!!
Like fox miles was FIRED by his p5 school. Nebraska had 6 years to see his upside and said no.
His record is a mirage. Sjsu is led by a chip on shoulder senior point guard who can beat up the WEAK underhand of the conference. Meanwhile Spartans got wacked by sdsu. Plus it is a pretty weak conference this year....maybe two teams....maybe get invites
It would be so jk to do this. It would also be horrofic
Like fox miles was FIRED by his p5 school. Nebraska had 6 years to see his upside and said no.
His record is a mirage. Sjsu is led by a chip on shoulder senior point guard who can beat up the WEAK underhand of the conference. Meanwhile Spartans got wacked by sdsu. Plus it is a pretty weak conference this year....maybe two teams....maybe get invites
It would be so jk to do this. It would also be horrofic
Tim Miles wants happiness and coaching. Is that pursued at SJSU or Cal?
It is scary that Knowlton has a history with Miles. When replacing Wyking, JK wanted a guy with major conference head coaching experience and the search firm spat out two guys who got canned: Fox and Miles. I wonder who else was on that list (Ernie Kent? Kevin Stallings?)
Hard to think that with a different vetting process this time around (as 4thGenCal has posted about - https://bearinsider.com/forums/3/topics/113602/replies/2139550 ) that there wouldn't be significant push back from donors and others he talks to about going with Miles. Hard to envision it happening, but I guess with Cal, anything is possible.
It is scary that Knowlton has a history with Miles. When replacing Wyking, JK wanted a guy with major conference head coaching experience and the search firm spat out two guys who got canned: Fox and Miles. I wonder who else was on that list (Ernie Kent? Kevin Stallings?)
Hard to think that with a different vetting process this time around (as 4thGenCal has posted about - https://bearinsider.com/forums/3/topics/113602/replies/2139550 ) that there wouldn't be significant push back from donors and others he talks to about going with Miles. Hard to envision it happening, but I guess with Cal, anything is possible.
I'm starting to think eastcoastal is in fact The Kickereastcoastcal said:Wow, I didn't know that! Thanks for sharing. This makes him even more appealing, if he's able to recruit talent to UCSB. I really hope UCSB wins the Big West conference tournament, as I think a lot of peoples' opinions will materially improve if they see him leading them to another tournament bid. If he can even win a game or two, even better!HoopDreams said:not that I'm defending The Kicker, but Pasternak recruited Amadou Sow over Cal who would have been our best big (better than Kelly). That team took #5 Creighton to the wire in the NCAA (lost by 1 point). He also lead UCSB to the Big West regular season champion (congrats Kelly).eastcoastcal said:Fair enough about his recruiting, though I don't think it's realistically possible to get a top 100 player to UCSB out of high school- for what it's worth, it seems that he is credited with bringing a few top players to Arizona- Ira Lee (prolific prep!) and Emmanuel Akot (top 25 player) but agreed that he doesn't have the recruiting resume of someone who's landed tons of top 50 players. As you say though, the NIL piece is huge and frankly everything in today's age. Which likely makes him a great candidate for us.calumnus said:eastcoastcal said:
Pasternack fits the description
45 years old
Galvanized UCSB donor community
Has a resume of both high octane recruiting & winning as HC
In his 11 years as a HC (8 at Santa Barbara), Pasternak has never landed a Top 100 high school player and was not considered the top recruiter at Arizona. However, he recruits internationally and has landed a few top transfers like Mike Norris from Oregon, Jaquiri McLaughlin from Oregon State, Andre Kelly from Cal, Ajare Sanni from Pacific….
He would be a rather meh choose for me, better than a retread, so acceptable, with only one major selling point: the rumor that there are specific major donors who would pay Fox's buyout and would back Pasternak with major NIL funds, funds that I am very confident he would spend well on shopping the Transfer Portal to assemble a good team.
I think him as a HC, plus a loaded staff full of former Cal guys is a great combo
Also, as noted, he signed transfers Norris and Ira Lee, two other Cal recruits.
Let's see if they win their tournament as it's a one-team league.
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cal83dls79 said:I'm starting to think eastcoastal is in fact The Kickereastcoastcal said:Wow, I didn't know that! Thanks for sharing. This makes him even more appealing, if he's able to recruit talent to UCSB. I really hope UCSB wins the Big West conference tournament, as I think a lot of peoples' opinions will materially improve if they see him leading them to another tournament bid. If he can even win a game or two, even better!HoopDreams said:not that I'm defending The Kicker, but Pasternak recruited Amadou Sow over Cal who would have been our best big (better than Kelly). That team took #5 Creighton to the wire in the NCAA (lost by 1 point). He also lead UCSB to the Big West regular season champion (congrats Kelly).eastcoastcal said:Fair enough about his recruiting, though I don't think it's realistically possible to get a top 100 player to UCSB out of high school- for what it's worth, it seems that he is credited with bringing a few top players to Arizona- Ira Lee (prolific prep!) and Emmanuel Akot (top 25 player) but agreed that he doesn't have the recruiting resume of someone who's landed tons of top 50 players. As you say though, the NIL piece is huge and frankly everything in today's age. Which likely makes him a great candidate for us.calumnus said:eastcoastcal said:
Pasternack fits the description
45 years old
Galvanized UCSB donor community
Has a resume of both high octane recruiting & winning as HC
In his 11 years as a HC (8 at Santa Barbara), Pasternak has never landed a Top 100 high school player and was not considered the top recruiter at Arizona. However, he recruits internationally and has landed a few top transfers like Mike Norris from Oregon, Jaquiri McLaughlin from Oregon State, Andre Kelly from Cal, Ajare Sanni from Pacific….
He would be a rather meh choose for me, better than a retread, so acceptable, with only one major selling point: the rumor that there are specific major donors who would pay Fox's buyout and would back Pasternak with major NIL funds, funds that I am very confident he would spend well on shopping the Transfer Portal to assemble a good team.
I think him as a HC, plus a loaded staff full of former Cal guys is a great combo
Also, as noted, he signed transfers Norris and Ira Lee, two other Cal recruits.
Let's see if they win their tournament as it's a one-team league.
and i would've gotten away with it too, if it weren't for you meddling posters!
I might have thought he was Roxy Bernstein, except that Roxy effusively praised The-Fired-Coach-Who-Shall-Not-Be-Named during the Pac-12 tournament broadcast...cal83dls79 said:I'm starting to think eastcoastal is in fact The Kickereastcoastcal said:Wow, I didn't know that! Thanks for sharing. This makes him even more appealing, if he's able to recruit talent to UCSB. I really hope UCSB wins the Big West conference tournament, as I think a lot of peoples' opinions will materially improve if they see him leading them to another tournament bid. If he can even win a game or two, even better!HoopDreams said:not that I'm defending The Kicker, but Pasternak recruited Amadou Sow over Cal who would have been our best big (better than Kelly). That team took #5 Creighton to the wire in the NCAA (lost by 1 point). He also lead UCSB to the Big West regular season champion (congrats Kelly).eastcoastcal said:Fair enough about his recruiting, though I don't think it's realistically possible to get a top 100 player to UCSB out of high school- for what it's worth, it seems that he is credited with bringing a few top players to Arizona- Ira Lee (prolific prep!) and Emmanuel Akot (top 25 player) but agreed that he doesn't have the recruiting resume of someone who's landed tons of top 50 players. As you say though, the NIL piece is huge and frankly everything in today's age. Which likely makes him a great candidate for us.calumnus said:eastcoastcal said:
Pasternack fits the description
45 years old
Galvanized UCSB donor community
Has a resume of both high octane recruiting & winning as HC
In his 11 years as a HC (8 at Santa Barbara), Pasternak has never landed a Top 100 high school player and was not considered the top recruiter at Arizona. However, he recruits internationally and has landed a few top transfers like Mike Norris from Oregon, Jaquiri McLaughlin from Oregon State, Andre Kelly from Cal, Ajare Sanni from Pacific….
He would be a rather meh choose for me, better than a retread, so acceptable, with only one major selling point: the rumor that there are specific major donors who would pay Fox's buyout and would back Pasternak with major NIL funds, funds that I am very confident he would spend well on shopping the Transfer Portal to assemble a good team.
I think him as a HC, plus a loaded staff full of former Cal guys is a great combo
Also, as noted, he signed transfers Norris and Ira Lee, two other Cal recruits.
Let's see if they win their tournament as it's a one-team league.
Roxy is a nice guy who was just trying to be nice in a situation where I'm sure he knew Fox was on his way out. I assume he'd be happy if Pasternack came to Cal.
No thanks. He did nothing at Nebraska and nothing suggests he could recruit worth a damn in the Pac. SJSU came in 5th in a top-heavy conference by playing slow, boring offense and utilizing the skills of a senior guard who was already there when Miles showed up.SoFlaBear said:
Former Nebraska basketball coach wins coach of the year honor
https://cornhuskerswire.usatoday.com/gallery/nebraska-cornhuskers-basketball-tim-miles-san-jose-state-coach-of-the-year/
"A former Nebraska men's basketball coach has won his current conference's coach of the year honor. San Jose State head coach Tim Miles was named the Mountain West Conference Coach of the Year.
Miles is in his second year in charge of the Spartans. His 19 wins this season are the most for the SJSU program since they won 22 games during the 1980-81 season.
This season, the ten conference wins are the most for the Spartans since the 1993-94 campaign. The Spartans now prepare for the Mountain West Conference Tournament.
Before coaching at San Jose State, Miles coached at Nebraska. He ran the Cornhuskers from 2012 to 2019."
D1 HC experience and MW COTY. We could do worse.
Reminds me a little of Fox and Paris Austin.Quote:
No thanks. He did nothing at Nebraska and nothing suggests he could recruit worth a damn in the Pac. SJSU came in 5th in a top-heavy conference by playing slow, boring offense and utilizing the skills of a senior guard who was already there when Miles showed up.
SJSU lost to SDSU by 15. Season over unless NIT. Now Miles can start preparing for the interview.
stu said:Reminds me a little of Fox and Paris Austin.Quote:
No thanks. He did nothing at Nebraska and nothing suggests he could recruit worth a damn in the Pac. SJSU came in 5th in a top-heavy conference by playing slow, boring offense and utilizing the skills of a senior guard who was already there when Miles showed up.
Except for the coming in 5th part.
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