These are mine:

1. Fox can't recruit but he is good at Xs and Os. If he was good at Xs and Os he should have showed it once in four years.
2. Cal does not want to win. Or some administrator was brought in to kill Cal basketball (or revenue sports in general). No, Cal athletics is just incompetent.
3. Mention of Ben Braun or his era. It was not as bad as now, but it was just so long to watch a miserable offense.

What triggers you?

HoopDreams said:

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fox being extended

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Good one.

diva1 said:

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Also this coach did mention that the two most successful Cal coaches were Braun and Montgomery and both are advising what needs to be done to get back to competitive standing, since you felt the need to throw a dig at Braun.

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I wouldn't use something Cal athletics did as a debating point.

diva1 said:

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I spoke with a very highly respected NorCal coach yesterday he told me the fact that Cal and Fox won any games this season is amazing.

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Trigger: Fox exceeded expectations

BC Calfan said:

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1. That we need widespread institutional change to support our program to be successful. No we just need a good coach that can win. Then the support will come.

2. Program rebuild is going to take multiple years. Also no. A good coach that can add a recruiting class of 3-4 impact players can make an immediate impact and make us a .500 team as early as next year. Especially with the portal.

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Yes and yes. Which reminds of me of what triggers me the most, but which I had suppressed: "I knew what I signed up for when I came here."

blungld said:

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Moving the student rooting section from sidelines exchanging a crazy hard to replicate home court advantage for the few donors who show up having comfy seats. And then not even letting people fill the empty seats to create atmosphere near the court because gosh darn it people paid good money for those empty seats!

Turning Harmon Gym into a cement mausoleum.

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Bingo - but it goes along with LOTS of basic block and tackling mistakes that don't take much money or effort:

Cheerleaders, Supporting Straw Hat band, engaging students, youth in the community, local youth basketball programs, competent security, tailgate parking passes, reasonable volume modulation, etc, etc, etc,

sluggo said:

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These are mine:

1. Fox can't recruit but he is good at Xs and Os. If he was good at Xs and Os he should have showed it once in four years.
2. Cal does not want to win. Or some administrator was brought in to kill Cal basketball (or revenue sports in general). No, Cal athletics is just incompetent.
3. Mention of Ben Braun or his era. It was not as bad as now, but it was just so long to watch a miserable offense.

What triggers you?

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Unfortunately, one of Knowlton's minions convinced me (before they quit) that #2 has a lot more behind it, than incompetence. Not universal 'Cal' - but there are individuals in the institution that are putting in effort beyond incompetence to muck it up.

But the fact that it is 'TypiCal' or "That is so Cal' or other lazy cliches - DOES trigger me. But when I hear "Knowlton doesn't get Basketball" or "My boss gets really irritated that Basketball fans complain so much", I believe them.

Not having a proverbial Snowball's Chance in Hell of making the NCAA Tournament , NIT


GO BEARS!!!

I'm triggered by discussions about triggers.

Bozeman was a good recruiter, legally and illegally. He had an eye for talent, ergo some NBA scouting work. Kidd coached the team from the floor. The extent of his X's and 0's was "2 baskets and a ball….and some really f@ucking good players."Getting Jelani hurt the team. He was horrible.

bearister said:

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I'm triggered by discussions about triggers.

Bozeman was a good recruiter, legally and illegally. He had an eye for talent, ergo some NBA scouting work. Kidd coached the team from the floor. The extent of his X's and 0's was "2 baskets and a ball….and some really f@ucking good players."Getting Jelani hurt the team. He was horrible.

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I don't know, Bearister. That Gardner kid could really bounce the ball pretty high.

Speaking of Jelani, his 5 foot high dribble into the front court did it for me.

Polodad said:

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Speaking of Jelani, his 5 foot high dribble into the front court did it for me.

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Sitting in Texas at the Ncaa tournament having troubles with Fresneck state, Jelani was inserted intonthe game to which the guy behind me cried, " Not Jelani, why?" We lost bad.

bearister said:

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I'm triggered by discussions about triggers.

Bozeman was a good recruiter, legally and illegally. He had an eye for talent, ergo some NBA scouting work. Kidd coached the team from the floor. The extent of his X's and 0's was "2 baskets and a ball….and some really f@ucking good players."Getting Jelani hurt the team. He was horrible.

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Getting Jelani didn't just hurt the team, it destroyed the team. Shareef had pulled his name from the draft and was ready to come back for at least another year, maybe more. He loved Cal.

Braun did do a good job rebuilding.

Shocky1 said:

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beargoggles, the coach ur describing is joe pasternack, his gauchos this season include cal's former best player andre kelly & oregon's miles norris from the transfer portal...international recruiting resulted in ajay mitchell...he's got the 100% endorsement from aau coach ryan silver which means current high school commits rodney brown & devin curtis will arrive in berkeley

as a former assistant under ben braun, he understands the berkeley admissions process & he's already proven he can recruit high gpa student athletes to our sister uc school in santa barbara...casual fans throw out the names of old white guys who have built their careers around selling hoop dreams to 2.5 gpa guys who got no academic ambition, that will not work in berkeley

pasternack is about a million times better in future high school, portal transfer and international recruiting to berkeley than any of the con artist's other candidates

this really isn't that complicated

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Probably more weighted to Braun (which is good, IMO). The coaches Pasternak has worked for are Bobby Knight, Ben Braun and Sean Miller which if combined is a Frankenstein's monster right there.

Been watching Pasternak interview videos. For those that know him and are strongly endorsing him, would you say he comes across better in person? Do you know what I mean? Giving it a positive spin he does look a little like and sounds a lot like a young Mike Krzyzewski :-)

"I knew that Dennis Gates would be a great head coach even when he was still an assistant because Sheriff."

"I knew that DeCuire would be a good head coach when he was still an assistant because Monty recommended him."

"I don't get it: Those #@^&%$# Pac 12 TV Network announcers said Fox is a good coach! Those &$#@&^%$s!!!"

"I can't believe the stupid &^%$ our losing coach says in his post-game pressers!"

"I know we've won before, but we will never win because we're Cal and there are just too many obstacles."

Shocky1 said:

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beargoggles, the coach ur describing is joe pasternack, his gauchos this season include cal's former best player andre kelly & oregon's miles norris from the transfer portal...international recruiting resulted in ajay mitchell from belgium...he's got the 100% endorsement from aau coach ryan silver which means current high school commits rodney brown & devin curtis will arrive in berkeley

as a former assistant under ben braun, he understands the berkeley admissions process & he's already proven he can recruit high gpa student athletes to our sister uc school in santa barbara...casual fans throw out the names of old white guys who have built their careers around selling hoop dreams to 2.5 gpa guys who got no academic ambition, that will not work in berkeley

pasternack is about a million times better in future high school, portal transfer and international recruiting to berkeley than any of the con artist's other candidates

this really isn't that complicated

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Shocky - not that my opinion really matters, but I'm coming around the idea that Pasternack is the right guy for the reasons you've mentioned (which seem plausible and reasonable). But I don't think that's obvious/certain and he clearly has his flaws (or at least potential flaws) because he's unproven.

I think there are some other good candidates who Cal should be considering. Stan Johnson is one. Rodney Terry is another. Maybe AAR. Those guys may be more risky than JP, but could have a higher upside. And I think Chris Mack is also an interesting guy who had a pretty damn good track record at Xavier (both as a coach and recruiter) and probably some bad luck/treatment at Louisville.

I don't pretend to know what's going on behind the scenes. Pasternack is probably the "easy' choice given the donor/political dynamics at work (as reported by others). But that doesn't mean he's the best hire. And JP could always tell Cal "no thanks" or demand too much $$ so you need to go through the process with an open mind.

Jeff82 said:

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The reality is that all these choices, with the possible exception of Mack, have some risk, since none of the coaches has a track record as a head coach in a major conference. Mack would be risky because he has no ties to Cal, or understanding of the issues here, which could lead to a repeat of Martin's supposed frustrations and an early exit.

In true Cal fashion, I get the sense that because Pasternack seems like an obvious choice, some posters are instinctively pushing back against the idea of hiring him. I agree we should look at all the mid-major candidates mentioned, if for no other reason than in case Pasternack gets a better offer elsewhere. But he clearly seems like the best choice.

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Well stated. I feel its not just about the result, but about the process (and it not being like the last two).

sluggo said:

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What triggers you?

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we'll most likely abandon our many decades held m/w season tickets, because..
1. men's head coach
2. pathetic athletic director
3. allergic to unmasked fans # covid sucks
4. traffic (from cupertino)
5. worsening senior moment issues