OFFICIAL BEARINSIDER WARRIORS PLAYOFF THREAD

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Big C said:


Jaylen Brown is a great player, but definitely still has some flaws in his game (kinda the same ones he had at Cal). I hope he is able to iron out the flaws to some extent, over the next few years, as I am a fan of his. Not sure I would want to be paying him "super max" money, if I were an NBA GM.
Jaylen Brown was named 2nd-team ALL-NBA (one of the FOUR BEST forwards in the NBA) this season, his team has made at least the conference finals 5 out of his seven years in the NBA, and he was probably the best celtics player in the finals when they did make it.

I'm just amazed at the need to qualify any praise for what might be the most accomplished Cal alum NBA player since Jason Kidd. While Brown might have flaws to his game, to crap on him or constantly highlight his supposed flaws instead of delighting in the fact that we have a bona-fide NBA star who went to Cal seems so incredibly myopic.
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CalLifer said:

Big C said:


Jaylen Brown is a great player, but definitely still has some flaws in his game (kinda the same ones he had at Cal). I hope he is able to iron out the flaws to some extent, over the next few years, as I am a fan of his. Not sure I would want to be paying him "super max" money, if I were an NBA GM.
Jaylen Brown was named 2nd-team ALL-NBA (one of the FOUR BEST forwards in the NBA) this season, his team has made at least the conference finals 5 out of his seven years in the NBA, and he was probably the best celtics player in the finals when they did make it.

I'm just amazed at the need to qualify any praise for what might be the most accomplished Cal alum NBA player since Jason Kidd. While Brown might have flaws to his game, to crap on him or constantly highlight his supposed flaws instead of delighting in the fact that we have a bona-fide NBA star who went to Cal seems so incredibly myopic.
100%

And wasn't it superstar Tatum who had a bad game 6, and terrible game 7 (playing hurt)?

That's a little like when Brown played without starting PG Wallace and SG Bird in the NCAA. Teams can focus on Brown.

Also, wasn't it Brown who kept the Celtics in the game vs the Warriors in last year's play offs?

One or two games, or even a series does not define a player
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The criticism of Tatum is that he visibly appears to vapor lock in that last two minutes of a close game. It brings to mind Phil Mickelson playing against Tiger when it was crunch time.
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CalLifer said:

Big C said:


Jaylen Brown is a great player, but definitely still has some flaws in his game (kinda the same ones he had at Cal). I hope he is able to iron out the flaws to some extent, over the next few years, as I am a fan of his. Not sure I would want to be paying him "super max" money, if I were an NBA GM.
Jaylen Brown was named 2nd-team ALL-NBA (one of the FOUR BEST forwards in the NBA) this season, his team has made at least the conference finals 5 out of his seven years in the NBA, and he was probably the best celtics player in the finals when they did make it.

I'm just amazed at the need to qualify any praise for what might be the most accomplished Cal alum NBA player since Jason Kidd. While Brown might have flaws to his game, to crap on him or constantly highlight his supposed flaws instead of delighting in the fact that we have a bona-fide NBA star who went to Cal seems so incredibly myopic.


Amen.

I just don't understand Cal fans sometimes.
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DiabloWags said:

calumnus said:



Diablo, I am with you on a lot of stuff, but I don't understand the vehemence of your attacks on a great Cal player, one we should be proud of, who despite being as terrible at Cal as you say, still was voted PAC-12 Player of the Year by the coaches.

Fine.
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Go ahead and give him the $295 MILLLION SUPERMAX.

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He is a fellow Cal Bear. I was happy for Goff when he went #1. I did not join in the criticism, I root for him. I'd be happy for you if someone paid you $295 million whether you deserve it or not. Moreover, there is a good chance some of that $295 million comes Cal's way.
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CalLifer said:

Big C said:


Jaylen Brown is a great player, but definitely still has some flaws in his game (kinda the same ones he had at Cal). I hope he is able to iron out the flaws to some extent, over the next few years, as I am a fan of his. Not sure I would want to be paying him "super max" money, if I were an NBA GM.
Jaylen Brown was named 2nd-team ALL-NBA (one of the FOUR BEST forwards in the NBA) this season, his team has made at least the conference finals 5 out of his seven years in the NBA, and he was probably the best celtics player in the finals when they did make it.

I'm just amazed at the need to qualify any praise for what might be the most accomplished Cal alum NBA player since Jason Kidd. While Brown might have flaws to his game, to crap on him or constantly highlight his supposed flaws instead of delighting in the fact that we have a bona-fide NBA star who went to Cal seems so incredibly myopic.

Geez, I thought I was largely singing his praises, especially relatively speaking. I love the guy. Okay, he's perfect. His game defies criticism. Is that better? Tough crowd today.
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Big C said:

CalLifer said:

Big C said:


Jaylen Brown is a great player, but definitely still has some flaws in his game (kinda the same ones he had at Cal). I hope he is able to iron out the flaws to some extent, over the next few years, as I am a fan of his. Not sure I would want to be paying him "super max" money, if I were an NBA GM.
Jaylen Brown was named 2nd-team ALL-NBA (one of the FOUR BEST forwards in the NBA) this season, his team has made at least the conference finals 5 out of his seven years in the NBA, and he was probably the best celtics player in the finals when they did make it.

I'm just amazed at the need to qualify any praise for what might be the most accomplished Cal alum NBA player since Jason Kidd. While Brown might have flaws to his game, to crap on him or constantly highlight his supposed flaws instead of delighting in the fact that we have a bona-fide NBA star who went to Cal seems so incredibly myopic.

Geez, I thought I was largely singing his praises, especially relatively speaking. I love the guy. Okay, he's perfect. His game defies criticism. Is that better? Tough crowd today.
I don't think the comment was entirely directed at you.

Not only do some people come here to crap on him, they seem to delight in his failures. Which is sad and strange, since he is a prominent alum who has done nothing but represent Cal positively.
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BearGoggles said:

Big C said:

CalLifer said:

Big C said:


Jaylen Brown is a great player, but definitely still has some flaws in his game (kinda the same ones he had at Cal). I hope he is able to iron out the flaws to some extent, over the next few years, as I am a fan of his. Not sure I would want to be paying him "super max" money, if I were an NBA GM.
Jaylen Brown was named 2nd-team ALL-NBA (one of the FOUR BEST forwards in the NBA) this season, his team has made at least the conference finals 5 out of his seven years in the NBA, and he was probably the best celtics player in the finals when they did make it.

I'm just amazed at the need to qualify any praise for what might be the most accomplished Cal alum NBA player since Jason Kidd. While Brown might have flaws to his game, to crap on him or constantly highlight his supposed flaws instead of delighting in the fact that we have a bona-fide NBA star who went to Cal seems so incredibly myopic.

Geez, I thought I was largely singing his praises, especially relatively speaking. I love the guy. Okay, he's perfect. His game defies criticism. Is that better? Tough crowd today.
I don't think the comment was entirely directed at you.

Not only do some people come here to crap on him, they seem to delight in his failures. Which is sad and strange, since he is a prominent alum who has done nothing but represent Cal positively.


Yes, Big C's post was more measured than the other ones I had in mind, but it was the most recent one, so that's what I responded to. And I really have no issue with reasoned critiques of his game; there are things he could improve on, but that's true for all but a handful of NBA players. But he has worked incredibly hard to transform his game from where it was when he left Cal, and Im sure he will continue to work to improve.

What bugs me more than anything though are those who don't appreciate how amazing that 2015-2016 season at Cal was, and blame him for the Hawaii loss without acknowledging any of the context (losing Wallace and Bird in the two days before the game, Cal announcing the investigation into Cuonzo also right before when Cuonzo followed established protocol). Brown was an integral part of the team that earned a 4-seed overall in the tournament (Cal's highest ever in the modern 64+ team tourney), went undefeated at home for the first time, and provided incredible excitement. He also was Pac-12 freshman of the year. Was he perfect? No. But to keep harping on the flaws at the expense of successes both here at Cal and in his NBA career feels like those detractors have other agendas.

And I don't want to get into the whole other discussion about the supermax and players' worthiness, since that whole discussion exists because of salary limits and the fact that the mega-superstars' salaries are artificially capped.
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CalLifer said:

BearGoggles said:

Big C said:

CalLifer said:

Big C said:


Jaylen Brown is a great player, but definitely still has some flaws in his game (kinda the same ones he had at Cal). I hope he is able to iron out the flaws to some extent, over the next few years, as I am a fan of his. Not sure I would want to be paying him "super max" money, if I were an NBA GM.
Jaylen Brown was named 2nd-team ALL-NBA (one of the FOUR BEST forwards in the NBA) this season, his team has made at least the conference finals 5 out of his seven years in the NBA, and he was probably the best celtics player in the finals when they did make it.

I'm just amazed at the need to qualify any praise for what might be the most accomplished Cal alum NBA player since Jason Kidd. While Brown might have flaws to his game, to crap on him or constantly highlight his supposed flaws instead of delighting in the fact that we have a bona-fide NBA star who went to Cal seems so incredibly myopic.

Geez, I thought I was largely singing his praises, especially relatively speaking. I love the guy. Okay, he's perfect. His game defies criticism. Is that better? Tough crowd today.
I don't think the comment was entirely directed at you.

Not only do some people come here to crap on him, they seem to delight in his failures. Which is sad and strange, since he is a prominent alum who has done nothing but represent Cal positively.


Yes, Big C's post was more measured than the other ones I had in mind, but it was the most recent one, so that's what I responded to. And I really have no issue with reasoned critiques of his game; there are things he could improve on, but that's true for all but a handful of NBA players. But he has worked incredibly hard to transform his game from where it was when he left Cal, and Im sure he will continue to work to improve.

What bugs me more than anything though are those who don't appreciate how amazing that 2015-2016 season at Cal was, and blame him for the Hawaii loss without acknowledging any of the context (losing Wallace and Bird in the two days before the game, Cal announcing the investigation into Cuonzo also right before when Cuonzo followed established protocol). Brown was an integral part of the team that earned a 4-seed overall in the tournament (Cal's highest ever in the modern 64+ team tourney), went undefeated at home for the first time, and provided incredible excitement. He also was Pac-12 freshman of the year. Was he perfect? No. But to keep harping on the flaws at the expense of successes both here at Cal and in his NBA career feels like those detractors have other agendas.

And I don't want to get into the whole other discussion about the supermax and players' worthiness, since that whole discussion exists because of salary limits and the fact that the mega-superstars' salaries are artificially capped.


I don't think they have an agenda. I think they just don't know ball. They don't watch any college games but Cal. They expected Jaylen to come in and be 1991 Michael Jordan.
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….I would have settled for an Ed Gray.
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bearister said:

….I would have settled for an Ed Gray.


Ed Gray as a freshman at Tennessee: 15 pts, 3.6 rb, 1.6 assists, on 37/28/70 shooting percentages for a team that finished 5-22

Jaylen Brown as a freshman at Cal: 14.6 pts, 4.3 rb, 2 assist on 43/29/65 shooting percentages for a team that finished 23-11, tied for 3rd in the Pac-12, undefeated at home, 4 seed in the tournament and Brown winning the Pac-12 Freshman of the Year… looks like he exceeded what you were asking!

Or were you saying that Jaylen should have been comparable to a senior Ed Gray?
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bearister said:

….I would have settled for an Ed Gray.

Ed Gray got to Cal as a 20-year old redshirt sophomore. Jaylen got to Cal as a 19-year old true freshman. Even so, their first year numbers are very similar.
 
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