I spent my student years at Harmon but there was a game at Haas against UCLA I think that was every bit as loud and the opposing team was rattled. Rather than lament the old hovel (I say that with love but it was), let's just try to get back to that point at Haas again.OdontoBear66 said:Pretty much agree, but might be better said that "Haas seats more but we've lost a bit of Harmon in the transition. Haas has almost never been as intimidating as Harmon was.Bobodeluxe said:
Haas was only superficially like Harmon. Only slightly intimidating, even when full.
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I was not speaking to the practicality of the size but the ambiance. Haas has been good on a number of occasions but never had the dramatic home court feel of Harmon Gym. It was alive, electric, and almost always near filled as with Cameron at Duke.BeachedBear said:At the time, onsite attendance at college events was booming, so Haas made sense (as did large football stadiums). Times have changed and so has interest in onsite attendance at college sports. NOW, it seems like 5k-7k would be fine for Basketball and 40k-50k would be fine for Football. Sure, there would be days when we want double that, but there are also years when we are challenged to fill those levels up.OdontoBear66 said:Pretty much agree, but might be better said that "Haas seats more but we've lost a bit of Harmon in the transition. Haas has almost never been as intimidating as Harmon was.Bobodeluxe said:
Haas was only superficially like Harmon. Only slightly intimidating, even when full.
I think the game ended with Gray taking a charge! Yes, Gray - on defense!MinotStateBeav said:
Remove the air conditioners, Bring back the Harmon Gym sweats!!! My favorite game of all time in Harmon was Cal vs Illinois in a 3OT thriller. I think it was Ed Gray who hit the game winning free throws. 96-97 team was sooo good. Ed Gray, Shareef, Anwar McQueen, Tony Gonzalez and the Duck starting 5. Such a fun team.
One other favorite was the win against Villanova - I took a colleague to the game (he attended Marquette when Marquette was really good) and he couldn't believe the environment.
And the close student seats did help Cal win games. Indeed, the late Dave Ross (Referee Guy) got a USC player kicked out in a game when Dave was, um, verbally harassing the player on an in-bounds play (and, um, maybe holding on to the players shirt but that happened not infrequently) and the player turned around and spit on Dave. Dave got irate and chased the player. When order was restored, Dave got to stay and the player was ejected.
I remember that game. The students were really riding Lavin but I can't recall why. Earl Watson was interviewed afterward and said he was envious of the atmosphere. Haas could reach Harmon's sonic boom levels at times, but I still think the students being right on the in-bounds line was the ultimate advantage at Harmon.bluesaxe said:I spent my student years at Harmon but there was a game at Haas against UCLA I think that was every bit as loud and the opposing team was rattled. Rather than lament the old hovel (I say that with love but it was), let's just try to get back to that point at Haas again.OdontoBear66 said:Pretty much agree, but might be better said that "Haas seats more but we've lost a bit of Harmon in the transition. Haas has almost never been as intimidating as Harmon was.Bobodeluxe said:
Haas was only superficially like Harmon. Only slightly intimidating, even when full.
I looked into this (whether Pac12 required Cal to move fans off the floor) and looked at this recent photo of UW's Hec Court. I have always heard that UW had a good home court advantage, partly because fans were right up to the court.Big C said:oskidunker said:
The conference required Cal to allow more space between students and the floor. That aint changing unless of course the conference is DOA
Is this true? I could imagine it, as the students and Straw Hat Band were insanely close to the floor in Harmon (insanely in a good way, of course). Whatever the minimum space is, we should be right at that line.
Is this one of those false narratives?
See photo... guess UW AD didn't get the memo:
Thats what we were was told by Sandy Barbour.interesting.maybe not true. Maybe Washington refused to comply. Then again thePac12 Conference is sometimes hard to read. " your life as you know it is over. You will be absorbed"HoopDreams said:I looked into this (whether Pac12 required Cal to move fans off the floor) and looked at this recent photo of UW's Hec Court. I have always heard that UW had a good home court advantage, partly because fans were right up to the court.Big C said:oskidunker said:
The conference required Cal to allow more space between students and the floor. That aint changing unless of course the conference is DOA
Is this true? I could imagine it, as the students and Straw Hat Band were insanely close to the floor in Harmon (insanely in a good way, of course). Whatever the minimum space is, we should be right at that line.
Is this one of those false narratives?
See photo... guess UW AD didn't get the memo:
Go Bears!
Students weren't required to be moved off the floor when Haas opened, just back a certain amount of feet. I don't see any Udub students right on the in-bounds line in your photo like what going on at Harmon, which is likely a reason they didn't get the memo. The other reason is probably that the original configurations were grandfathered in, which is why the change at Cal didn't happen until after the remodel.HoopDreams said:I looked into this (whether Pac12 required Cal to move fans off the floor) and looked at this recent photo of UW's Hec Court. I have always heard that UW had a good home court advantage, partly because fans were right up to the court.Big C said:oskidunker said:
The conference required Cal to allow more space between students and the floor. That aint changing unless of course the conference is DOA
Is this true? I could imagine it, as the students and Straw Hat Band were insanely close to the floor in Harmon (insanely in a good way, of course). Whatever the minimum space is, we should be right at that line.
Is this one of those false narratives?
See photo... guess UW AD didn't get the memo:
I'm not talking about the original renovation from Harmon to Haas
I'm talking about the more recent changes. First the students were closer to the court but moved back due to the courtside seats. I believe they were moved back again and the student rows reduced more when they added the second row of courtside seats
And then look behind the baskets. The seats went down to the floor. Football players sat with their feet on the court. Again, maybe this change was so they could put courtside seats there also.
Look at picture and video to see this at Haas before (much different than today)
I'm talking about the more recent changes. First the students were closer to the court but moved back due to the courtside seats. I believe they were moved back again and the student rows reduced more when they added the second row of courtside seats
And then look behind the baskets. The seats went down to the floor. Football players sat with their feet on the court. Again, maybe this change was so they could put courtside seats there also.
Look at picture and video to see this at Haas before (much different than today)
Civil Bear said:Students weren't required to be moved off the floor when Haas opened, just back a certain amount of feet. I don't see any Udub students right on the in-bounds line in your photo like what going on at Harmon, which is likely a reason they didn't get the memo. The other reason is probably that the original configurations were grandfathered in, which is why the change at Cal didn't happen until after the remodel.HoopDreams said:I looked into this (whether Pac12 required Cal to move fans off the floor) and looked at this recent photo of UW's Hec Court. I have always heard that UW had a good home court advantage, partly because fans were right up to the court.Big C said:oskidunker said:
The conference required Cal to allow more space between students and the floor. That aint changing unless of course the conference is DOA
Is this true? I could imagine it, as the students and Straw Hat Band were insanely close to the floor in Harmon (insanely in a good way, of course). Whatever the minimum space is, we should be right at that line.
Is this one of those false narratives?
See photo... guess UW AD didn't get the memo:
Yes, but I don't know who is making the claim the Conference ordered those changes. I always just assumed Cal saw an opportunity to make some $ by inserting the courtside seats like every NBA franchise.HoopDreams said:
I'm not talking about the original renovation from Harmon to Haas
I'm talking about the more recent changes. First the students were closer to the court but moved back due to the courtside seats. I believe they were moved back again and the student rows reduced more when they added the second row of courtside seats
And then look behind the baskets. The seats went down to the floor. Football players sat with their feet on the court. Again, maybe this change was so they could put courtside seats there also.
Look at picture and video to see this at Haas before (much different than today)Civil Bear said:Students weren't required to be moved off the floor when Haas opened, just back a certain amount of feet. I don't see any Udub students right on the in-bounds line in your photo like what going on at Harmon, which is likely a reason they didn't get the memo. The other reason is probably that the original configurations were grandfathered in, which is why the change at Cal didn't happen until after the remodel.HoopDreams said:I looked into this (whether Pac12 required Cal to move fans off the floor) and looked at this recent photo of UW's Hec Court. I have always heard that UW had a good home court advantage, partly because fans were right up to the court.Big C said:oskidunker said:
The conference required Cal to allow more space between students and the floor. That aint changing unless of course the conference is DOA
Is this true? I could imagine it, as the students and Straw Hat Band were insanely close to the floor in Harmon (insanely in a good way, of course). Whatever the minimum space is, we should be right at that line.
Is this one of those false narratives?
See photo... guess UW AD didn't get the memo:
Sidetrack: wasn't the basketball court at Harmon not the NCAA approved size?
See above posts by oskiduncker. I copied below:
The conference required Cal to allow more space between students and the floor. That aint changing unless of course the conference is DOA
Those seats were put there as a barrier between students and the players. Also requested by the conference.
The conference required Cal to allow more space between students and the floor. That aint changing unless of course the conference is DOA
Those seats were put there as a barrier between students and the players. Also requested by the conference.
Civil Bear said:Yes, but I don't know who is making the claim the Conference ordered those changes. I always just assumed Cal saw an opportunity to make some $ by inserting the courtside seats like every NBA franchise.HoopDreams said:
I'm not talking about the original renovation from Harmon to Haas
I'm talking about the more recent changes. First the students were closer to the court but moved back due to the courtside seats. I believe they were moved back again and the student rows reduced more when they added the second row of courtside seats
And then look behind the baskets. The seats went down to the floor. Football players sat with their feet on the court. Again, maybe this change was so they could put courtside seats there also.
Look at picture and video to see this at Haas before (much different than today)Civil Bear said:Students weren't required to be moved off the floor when Haas opened, just back a certain amount of feet. I don't see any Udub students right on the in-bounds line in your photo like what going on at Harmon, which is likely a reason they didn't get the memo. The other reason is probably that the original configurations were grandfathered in, which is why the change at Cal didn't happen until after the remodel.HoopDreams said:I looked into this (whether Pac12 required Cal to move fans off the floor) and looked at this recent photo of UW's Hec Court. I have always heard that UW had a good home court advantage, partly because fans were right up to the court.Big C said:oskidunker said:
The conference required Cal to allow more space between students and the floor. That aint changing unless of course the conference is DOA
Is this true? I could imagine it, as the students and Straw Hat Band were insanely close to the floor in Harmon (insanely in a good way, of course). Whatever the minimum space is, we should be right at that line.
Is this one of those false narratives?
See photo... guess UW AD didn't get the memo:
This - they royally screwed up the continuity of the student section, and also mixin other confused fans who complain when students are standing and loud and noisy. And they put in the second row of folding chairs and those weird aisles...OG Haas was fine for atmo, yes, it was not Harmon, but we needed (and still need) more seats than Harmon provided.HoopDreams said:
I'm not talking about the original renovation from Harmon to Haas
I'm talking about the more recent changes. First the students were closer to the court but moved back due to the courtside seats. I believe they were moved back again and the student rows reduced more when they added the second row of courtside seats
And then look behind the baskets. The seats went down to the floor. Football players sat with their feet on the court. Again, maybe this change was so they could put courtside seats there also.
Look at picture and video to see this at Haas before (much different than today)Civil Bear said:Students weren't required to be moved off the floor when Haas opened, just back a certain amount of feet. I don't see any Udub students right on the in-bounds line in your photo like what going on at Harmon, which is likely a reason they didn't get the memo. The other reason is probably that the original configurations were grandfathered in, which is why the change at Cal didn't happen until after the remodel.HoopDreams said:I looked into this (whether Pac12 required Cal to move fans off the floor) and looked at this recent photo of UW's Hec Court. I have always heard that UW had a good home court advantage, partly because fans were right up to the court.Big C said:oskidunker said:
The conference required Cal to allow more space between students and the floor. That aint changing unless of course the conference is DOA
Is this true? I could imagine it, as the students and Straw Hat Band were insanely close to the floor in Harmon (insanely in a good way, of course). Whatever the minimum space is, we should be right at that line.
Is this one of those false narratives?
See photo... guess UW AD didn't get the memo:
Even if the student section needs to be farther back, they could restore more of the horizontal continuity and make it all students.
Great!
https://www.si.com/college/cal/basketball/madsen-on-haas
As a lifelong Cal fan (who went to 12 home games last year), nothing excites me more than the energy Mad Dog is bringing to Haas.
One thing all of us can do, outside of getting those extra $$ to the NIL collective, is to show up. Some of my favorite memories growing up was a PACKED Haas, going to games with my dad and grandpa. the team fed off the pure energy of the crowd.
I also never got to experience midnight madness, so if someone sees MM on the street, let him know we want it back.
I have caught MADDOG MADNESS, now lets roll...
This is an important board, keep the ideas coming, WE must restore the heart of Haas
As a lifelong Cal fan (who went to 12 home games last year), nothing excites me more than the energy Mad Dog is bringing to Haas.
One thing all of us can do, outside of getting those extra $$ to the NIL collective, is to show up. Some of my favorite memories growing up was a PACKED Haas, going to games with my dad and grandpa. the team fed off the pure energy of the crowd.
I also never got to experience midnight madness, so if someone sees MM on the street, let him know we want it back.
I have caught MADDOG MADNESS, now lets roll...
This is an important board, keep the ideas coming, WE must restore the heart of Haas
Who is to blame . . . xCoaches Buh or Fox?
Just fix it!
Just fix it!
"Those who say don't know, and those who know don't say." - LT
+1
I might be mistaken but I'm almost positive the student section was right on the floor with no barrier the first year we returned to Haas. I was a student in 1999 and remember being able to practically defend the opposing teams sideline inbounds passes. It was almost 25 years ago so I could be wrong though.HoopDreams said:when Harmon was renovated to Haas the students were pushed back farther from the court (sad, but I get it), but what I'm complaining about is the student seats being pushed back farther when they put the row of seats in. I think they were pushed back again with the second row of seats (not sure)Civil Bear said:I'm not sure if the courtside seats were the conference's idea, but I do recall them requiring the students get pushed back a bit when Haas was first built.Big C said:oskidunker said:Those seats were put there as a barrier between students and the players. Also requested by the conference.Big C said:oskidunker said:
The conference required Cal to allow more space between students and the floor. That aint changing unless of course the conference is DOA
Is this true? I could imagine it, as the students and Straw Hat Band were insanely close to the floor in Harmon (insanely in a good way, of course). Whatever the minimum space is, we should be right at that line.
Agree 100% with this thread! As Madsen played in Harmon and seems to be much more of a promoter-of-the-program than the last guy, I'm hopeful that we will be on top of this!
I'm sorry, but I would get rid of the row of courtside seats. This isn't the NBA. I know, some people with $$$ like to be big shots and sit courtside (and they probably donate), but I would find some other excellent seats for them and bring the students as close as possible to the action.
The conference hates fun!
Pretty sure that lasted one year before they put the row of seats in.
On the floor yes, but pushed back a few feet like in the UW photo.DonnieMcCleskey said:I might be mistaken but I'm almost positive the student section was right on the floor with no barrier the first year we returned to Haas. I was a student in 1999 and remember being able to practically defend the opposing teams sideline inbounds passes. It was almost 25 years ago so I could be wrong though.HoopDreams said:when Harmon was renovated to Haas the students were pushed back farther from the court (sad, but I get it), but what I'm complaining about is the student seats being pushed back farther when they put the row of seats in. I think they were pushed back again with the second row of seats (not sure)Civil Bear said:I'm not sure if the courtside seats were the conference's idea, but I do recall them requiring the students get pushed back a bit when Haas was first built.Big C said:oskidunker said:Those seats were put there as a barrier between students and the players. Also requested by the conference.Big C said:oskidunker said:
The conference required Cal to allow more space between students and the floor. That aint changing unless of course the conference is DOA
Is this true? I could imagine it, as the students and Straw Hat Band were insanely close to the floor in Harmon (insanely in a good way, of course). Whatever the minimum space is, we should be right at that line.
Agree 100% with this thread! As Madsen played in Harmon and seems to be much more of a promoter-of-the-program than the last guy, I'm hopeful that we will be on top of this!
I'm sorry, but I would get rid of the row of courtside seats. This isn't the NBA. I know, some people with $$$ like to be big shots and sit courtside (and they probably donate), but I would find some other excellent seats for them and bring the students as close as possible to the action.
The conference hates fun!
Pretty sure that lasted one year before they put the row of seats in.
Civil Bear said:On the floor yes, but pushed back a few feet like in the UW photo.DonnieMcCleskey said:I might be mistaken but I'm almost positive the student section was right on the floor with no barrier the first year we returned to Haas. I was a student in 1999 and remember being able to practically defend the opposing teams sideline inbounds passes. It was almost 25 years ago so I could be wrong though.HoopDreams said:when Harmon was renovated to Haas the students were pushed back farther from the court (sad, but I get it), but what I'm complaining about is the student seats being pushed back farther when they put the row of seats in. I think they were pushed back again with the second row of seats (not sure)Civil Bear said:I'm not sure if the courtside seats were the conference's idea, but I do recall them requiring the students get pushed back a bit when Haas was first built.Big C said:oskidunker said:Those seats were put there as a barrier between students and the players. Also requested by the conference.Big C said:oskidunker said:
The conference required Cal to allow more space between students and the floor. That aint changing unless of course the conference is DOA
Is this true? I could imagine it, as the students and Straw Hat Band were insanely close to the floor in Harmon (insanely in a good way, of course). Whatever the minimum space is, we should be right at that line.
Agree 100% with this thread! As Madsen played in Harmon and seems to be much more of a promoter-of-the-program than the last guy, I'm hopeful that we will be on top of this!
I'm sorry, but I would get rid of the row of courtside seats. This isn't the NBA. I know, some people with $$$ like to be big shots and sit courtside (and they probably donate), but I would find some other excellent seats for them and bring the students as close as possible to the action.
The conference hates fun!
Pretty sure that lasted one year before they put the row of seats in.
So we all agree: remove the courtside chairs and move the student section back to where it was when Haas first opened.
Can someone put together a list of 4-5 recommended changes, which can be forwarded to MM, the AD, and staff?
(With brief explanations of why, and how it helped the team / game atmosphere.)
(With brief explanations of why, and how it helped the team / game atmosphere.)
calumnus said:Civil Bear said:On the floor yes, but pushed back a few feet like in the UW photo.DonnieMcCleskey said:I might be mistaken but I'm almost positive the student section was right on the floor with no barrier the first year we returned to Haas. I was a student in 1999 and remember being able to practically defend the opposing teams sideline inbounds passes. It was almost 25 years ago so I could be wrong though.HoopDreams said:when Harmon was renovated to Haas the students were pushed back farther from the court (sad, but I get it), but what I'm complaining about is the student seats being pushed back farther when they put the row of seats in. I think they were pushed back again with the second row of seats (not sure)Civil Bear said:I'm not sure if the courtside seats were the conference's idea, but I do recall them requiring the students get pushed back a bit when Haas was first built.Big C said:oskidunker said:Those seats were put there as a barrier between students and the players. Also requested by the conference.Big C said:oskidunker said:
The conference required Cal to allow more space between students and the floor. That aint changing unless of course the conference is DOA
Is this true? I could imagine it, as the students and Straw Hat Band were insanely close to the floor in Harmon (insanely in a good way, of course). Whatever the minimum space is, we should be right at that line.
Agree 100% with this thread! As Madsen played in Harmon and seems to be much more of a promoter-of-the-program than the last guy, I'm hopeful that we will be on top of this!
I'm sorry, but I would get rid of the row of courtside seats. This isn't the NBA. I know, some people with $$$ like to be big shots and sit courtside (and they probably donate), but I would find some other excellent seats for them and bring the students as close as possible to the action.
The conference hates fun!
Pretty sure that lasted one year before they put the row of seats in.
So we all agree: remove the courtside chairs and move the student section back to where it was when Haas first opened.
Some folks who sit in those courtside seats might not agree... but I don't care; it's for the best.
Not going to hapoen. Cal makes too much money off those seats. But its agoodbidea.Big C said:calumnus said:Civil Bear said:On the floor yes, but pushed back a few feet like in the UW photo.DonnieMcCleskey said:I might be mistaken but I'm almost positive the student section was right on the floor with no barrier the first year we returned to Haas. I was a student in 1999 and remember being able to practically defend the opposing teams sideline inbounds passes. It was almost 25 years ago so I could be wrong though.HoopDreams said:when Harmon was renovated to Haas the students were pushed back farther from the court (sad, but I get it), but what I'm complaining about is the student seats being pushed back farther when they put the row of seats in. I think they were pushed back again with the second row of seats (not sure)Civil Bear said:I'm not sure if the courtside seats were the conference's idea, but I do recall them requiring the students get pushed back a bit when Haas was first built.Big C said:oskidunker said:Those seats were put there as a barrier between students and the players. Also requested by the conference.Big C said:oskidunker said:
The conference required Cal to allow more space between students and the floor. That aint changing unless of course the conference is DOA
Is this true? I could imagine it, as the students and Straw Hat Band were insanely close to the floor in Harmon (insanely in a good way, of course). Whatever the minimum space is, we should be right at that line.
Agree 100% with this thread! As Madsen played in Harmon and seems to be much more of a promoter-of-the-program than the last guy, I'm hopeful that we will be on top of this!
I'm sorry, but I would get rid of the row of courtside seats. This isn't the NBA. I know, some people with $$$ like to be big shots and sit courtside (and they probably donate), but I would find some other excellent seats for them and bring the students as close as possible to the action.
The conference hates fun!
Pretty sure that lasted one year before they put the row of seats in.
So we all agree: remove the courtside chairs and move the student section back to where it was when Haas first opened.
Some folks who sit in those courtside seats might not agree... but I don't care; it's for the best.
Go Bears!
oskidunker said:Not going to hapoen. Cal makes too much money off those seats. But its agoodbidea.Big C said:calumnus said:Civil Bear said:On the floor yes, but pushed back a few feet like in the UW photo.DonnieMcCleskey said:I might be mistaken but I'm almost positive the student section was right on the floor with no barrier the first year we returned to Haas. I was a student in 1999 and remember being able to practically defend the opposing teams sideline inbounds passes. It was almost 25 years ago so I could be wrong though.HoopDreams said:when Harmon was renovated to Haas the students were pushed back farther from the court (sad, but I get it), but what I'm complaining about is the student seats being pushed back farther when they put the row of seats in. I think they were pushed back again with the second row of seats (not sure)Civil Bear said:I'm not sure if the courtside seats were the conference's idea, but I do recall them requiring the students get pushed back a bit when Haas was first built.Big C said:oskidunker said:Those seats were put there as a barrier between students and the players. Also requested by the conference.Big C said:oskidunker said:
The conference required Cal to allow more space between students and the floor. That aint changing unless of course the conference is DOA
Is this true? I could imagine it, as the students and Straw Hat Band were insanely close to the floor in Harmon (insanely in a good way, of course). Whatever the minimum space is, we should be right at that line.
Agree 100% with this thread! As Madsen played in Harmon and seems to be much more of a promoter-of-the-program than the last guy, I'm hopeful that we will be on top of this!
I'm sorry, but I would get rid of the row of courtside seats. This isn't the NBA. I know, some people with $$$ like to be big shots and sit courtside (and they probably donate), but I would find some other excellent seats for them and bring the students as close as possible to the action.
The conference hates fun!
Pretty sure that lasted one year before they put the row of seats in.
So we all agree: remove the courtside chairs and move the student section back to where it was when Haas first opened.
Some folks who sit in those courtside seats might not agree... but I don't care; it's for the best.
Create some fancy "VIP seating" somewhere else and use that and the gratitude for them helping California Basketball to lure big-shot alums from that area. One possibility might be to limit those courtside seats to the area at mid-court, and have students take the sideline area closer to each basket.
I don't know, do something! It's college basketball, not the damned NBA.
oskidunker said:Not going to hapoen. Cal makes too much money off those seats. But its agoodbidea.Big C said:calumnus said:Civil Bear said:On the floor yes, but pushed back a few feet like in the UW photo.DonnieMcCleskey said:I might be mistaken but I'm almost positive the student section was right on the floor with no barrier the first year we returned to Haas. I was a student in 1999 and remember being able to practically defend the opposing teams sideline inbounds passes. It was almost 25 years ago so I could be wrong though.HoopDreams said:when Harmon was renovated to Haas the students were pushed back farther from the court (sad, but I get it), but what I'm complaining about is the student seats being pushed back farther when they put the row of seats in. I think they were pushed back again with the second row of seats (not sure)Civil Bear said:I'm not sure if the courtside seats were the conference's idea, but I do recall them requiring the students get pushed back a bit when Haas was first built.Big C said:oskidunker said:Those seats were put there as a barrier between students and the players. Also requested by the conference.Big C said:oskidunker said:
The conference required Cal to allow more space between students and the floor. That aint changing unless of course the conference is DOA
Is this true? I could imagine it, as the students and Straw Hat Band were insanely close to the floor in Harmon (insanely in a good way, of course). Whatever the minimum space is, we should be right at that line.
Agree 100% with this thread! As Madsen played in Harmon and seems to be much more of a promoter-of-the-program than the last guy, I'm hopeful that we will be on top of this!
I'm sorry, but I would get rid of the row of courtside seats. This isn't the NBA. I know, some people with $$$ like to be big shots and sit courtside (and they probably donate), but I would find some other excellent seats for them and bring the students as close as possible to the action.
The conference hates fun!
Pretty sure that lasted one year before they put the row of seats in.
So we all agree: remove the courtside chairs and move the student section back to where it was when Haas first opened.
Some folks who sit in those courtside seats might not agree... but I don't care; it's for the best.
Double the donation for the remaining seats. This team is worth it and the impact of rabid fans cannot be overstated
bearsandgiants said:oskidunker said:Not going to hapoen. Cal makes too much money off those seats. But its agoodbidea.Big C said:calumnus said:Civil Bear said:On the floor yes, but pushed back a few feet like in the UW photo.DonnieMcCleskey said:I might be mistaken but I'm almost positive the student section was right on the floor with no barrier the first year we returned to Haas. I was a student in 1999 and remember being able to practically defend the opposing teams sideline inbounds passes. It was almost 25 years ago so I could be wrong though.HoopDreams said:when Harmon was renovated to Haas the students were pushed back farther from the court (sad, but I get it), but what I'm complaining about is the student seats being pushed back farther when they put the row of seats in. I think they were pushed back again with the second row of seats (not sure)Civil Bear said:I'm not sure if the courtside seats were the conference's idea, but I do recall them requiring the students get pushed back a bit when Haas was first built.Big C said:oskidunker said:Those seats were put there as a barrier between students and the players. Also requested by the conference.Big C said:oskidunker said:
The conference required Cal to allow more space between students and the floor. That aint changing unless of course the conference is DOA
Is this true? I could imagine it, as the students and Straw Hat Band were insanely close to the floor in Harmon (insanely in a good way, of course). Whatever the minimum space is, we should be right at that line.
Agree 100% with this thread! As Madsen played in Harmon and seems to be much more of a promoter-of-the-program than the last guy, I'm hopeful that we will be on top of this!
I'm sorry, but I would get rid of the row of courtside seats. This isn't the NBA. I know, some people with $$$ like to be big shots and sit courtside (and they probably donate), but I would find some other excellent seats for them and bring the students as close as possible to the action.
The conference hates fun!
Pretty sure that lasted one year before they put the row of seats in.
So we all agree: remove the courtside chairs and move the student section back to where it was when Haas first opened.
Some folks who sit in those courtside seats might not agree... but I don't care; it's for the best.
Double the donation for the remaining seats. This team is worth it and the impact of rabid fans cannot be overstated
Agree.
bearsandgiants said:oskidunker said:Not going to hapoen. Cal makes too much money off those seats. But its agoodbidea.Big C said:calumnus said:Civil Bear said:On the floor yes, but pushed back a few feet like in the UW photo.DonnieMcCleskey said:I might be mistaken but I'm almost positive the student section was right on the floor with no barrier the first year we returned to Haas. I was a student in 1999 and remember being able to practically defend the opposing teams sideline inbounds passes. It was almost 25 years ago so I could be wrong though.HoopDreams said:when Harmon was renovated to Haas the students were pushed back farther from the court (sad, but I get it), but what I'm complaining about is the student seats being pushed back farther when they put the row of seats in. I think they were pushed back again with the second row of seats (not sure)Civil Bear said:I'm not sure if the courtside seats were the conference's idea, but I do recall them requiring the students get pushed back a bit when Haas was first built.Big C said:oskidunker said:Those seats were put there as a barrier between students and the players. Also requested by the conference.Big C said:oskidunker said:
The conference required Cal to allow more space between students and the floor. That aint changing unless of course the conference is DOA
Is this true? I could imagine it, as the students and Straw Hat Band were insanely close to the floor in Harmon (insanely in a good way, of course). Whatever the minimum space is, we should be right at that line.
Agree 100% with this thread! As Madsen played in Harmon and seems to be much more of a promoter-of-the-program than the last guy, I'm hopeful that we will be on top of this!
I'm sorry, but I would get rid of the row of courtside seats. This isn't the NBA. I know, some people with $$$ like to be big shots and sit courtside (and they probably donate), but I would find some other excellent seats for them and bring the students as close as possible to the action.
The conference hates fun!
Pretty sure that lasted one year before they put the row of seats in.
So we all agree: remove the courtside chairs and move the student section back to where it was when Haas first opened.
Some folks who sit in those courtside seats might not agree... but I don't care; it's for the best.
Double the donation for the remaining seats. This team is worth it and the impact of rabid fans cannot be overstated
The Student Section should be opposite the cameras, TV booths and VIP seats. I'm pretty sure the VIP seats will generate more revenue if the owners will be watching an exciting, winning team in a packed Haas with a great and loud student section.
And what about changing the camera height? Bring it down to halfway level of stands. This was a big design flaw.calumnus said:bearsandgiants said:oskidunker said:Not going to hapoen. Cal makes too much money off those seats. But its agoodbidea.Big C said:calumnus said:Civil Bear said:On the floor yes, but pushed back a few feet like in the UW photo.DonnieMcCleskey said:I might be mistaken but I'm almost positive the student section was right on the floor with no barrier the first year we returned to Haas. I was a student in 1999 and remember being able to practically defend the opposing teams sideline inbounds passes. It was almost 25 years ago so I could be wrong though.HoopDreams said:when Harmon was renovated to Haas the students were pushed back farther from the court (sad, but I get it), but what I'm complaining about is the student seats being pushed back farther when they put the row of seats in. I think they were pushed back again with the second row of seats (not sure)Civil Bear said:I'm not sure if the courtside seats were the conference's idea, but I do recall them requiring the students get pushed back a bit when Haas was first built.Big C said:oskidunker said:Those seats were put there as a barrier between students and the players. Also requested by the conference.Big C said:oskidunker said:
The conference required Cal to allow more space between students and the floor. That aint changing unless of course the conference is DOA
Is this true? I could imagine it, as the students and Straw Hat Band were insanely close to the floor in Harmon (insanely in a good way, of course). Whatever the minimum space is, we should be right at that line.
Agree 100% with this thread! As Madsen played in Harmon and seems to be much more of a promoter-of-the-program than the last guy, I'm hopeful that we will be on top of this!
I'm sorry, but I would get rid of the row of courtside seats. This isn't the NBA. I know, some people with $$$ like to be big shots and sit courtside (and they probably donate), but I would find some other excellent seats for them and bring the students as close as possible to the action.
The conference hates fun!
Pretty sure that lasted one year before they put the row of seats in.
So we all agree: remove the courtside chairs and move the student section back to where it was when Haas first opened.
Some folks who sit in those courtside seats might not agree... but I don't care; it's for the best.
Double the donation for the remaining seats. This team is worth it and the impact of rabid fans cannot be overstated
The Student Section should be opposite the cameras, TV booths and VIP seats. I'm pretty sure the VIP seats will generate more revenue if the owners will be watching an exciting, winning team in a packed Haas with a great and loud student section.
I've sat down with the Cal Assoc AD with a list of FB and BB game day experience suggestions. Many were what I called 'low hanging fruit' (easy, and low to very low cost to implement).movielover said:
Can someone put together a list of 4-5 recommended changes, which can be forwarded to MM, the AD, and staff?
(With brief explanations of why, and how it helped the team / game atmosphere.)
For Haas, some of them were in the lobby/hallways, and not inside the arena itself
A couple were implemented in Haas, and one for FB, but probably not because of my suggestions.
The vast majority have not changed
Why? Was there a reason? Which suggestions were turned down?
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Free ice cream from the school of dairy science. Don't have one.sonofabear51 said:
Why? Was there a reason? Which suggestions were turned down?
OneTopOneChickenApple said:And what about changing the camera height? Bring it down to halfway level of stands. This was a big design flaw.calumnus said:bearsandgiants said:oskidunker said:Not going to hapoen. Cal makes too much money off those seats. But its agoodbidea.Big C said:calumnus said:Civil Bear said:On the floor yes, but pushed back a few feet like in the UW photo.DonnieMcCleskey said:I might be mistaken but I'm almost positive the student section was right on the floor with no barrier the first year we returned to Haas. I was a student in 1999 and remember being able to practically defend the opposing teams sideline inbounds passes. It was almost 25 years ago so I could be wrong though.HoopDreams said:when Harmon was renovated to Haas the students were pushed back farther from the court (sad, but I get it), but what I'm complaining about is the student seats being pushed back farther when they put the row of seats in. I think they were pushed back again with the second row of seats (not sure)Civil Bear said:I'm not sure if the courtside seats were the conference's idea, but I do recall them requiring the students get pushed back a bit when Haas was first built.Big C said:oskidunker said:Those seats were put there as a barrier between students and the players. Also requested by the conference.Big C said:oskidunker said:
The conference required Cal to allow more space between students and the floor. That aint changing unless of course the conference is DOA
Is this true? I could imagine it, as the students and Straw Hat Band were insanely close to the floor in Harmon (insanely in a good way, of course). Whatever the minimum space is, we should be right at that line.
Agree 100% with this thread! As Madsen played in Harmon and seems to be much more of a promoter-of-the-program than the last guy, I'm hopeful that we will be on top of this!
I'm sorry, but I would get rid of the row of courtside seats. This isn't the NBA. I know, some people with $$$ like to be big shots and sit courtside (and they probably donate), but I would find some other excellent seats for them and bring the students as close as possible to the action.
The conference hates fun!
Pretty sure that lasted one year before they put the row of seats in.
So we all agree: remove the courtside chairs and move the student section back to where it was when Haas first opened.
Some folks who sit in those courtside seats might not agree... but I don't care; it's for the best.
Double the donation for the remaining seats. This team is worth it and the impact of rabid fans cannot be overstated
The Student Section should be opposite the cameras, TV booths and VIP seats. I'm pretty sure the VIP seats will generate more revenue if the owners will be watching an exciting, winning team in a packed Haas with a great and loud student section.
Which you can do if you are not so stupid as to have the cameras on the same side as the students.
sonofabear51 said:
Why? Was there a reason? Which suggestions were turned down?
the assoc AD listened carefully, liked many of my suggestions, commented on a few, and said he'd get back to me on which ones they got done
I don't remember exactly because this was pre-covid, but he left maybe 6 months later so I never heard back. The only think I know they implemented because of my suggestion was to setup a small stand in Haas to sell Cal stuff at games, although the location they put it was bad.
I've engaged JK and another Assoc AD a few times more via email and know at least one of my suggestions were discussed but again I don't think they were implemented (they did add some star basketball players displays/wall paintings in the Haas hallways, but probably not due to my suggestions)
one example is tailgate town (terrible name) for pre-game. Not much there.
So I made suggestions how to improve by inviting one student group per game. afterwords they did have a different student group for two games (one was a rocket club).
another suggestion was to invite one community group to have a booth each game and suggested several who I spoke at Solano Stroll. all of the groups had a Cal affiliation such as Lawrence Hall of Science and Berkeley OLLI and they were interested, providing their contact info to me.
Cal responded by saying they liked the idea but were already "booked" for the season. therefore I followed up before this season and they said they didn't need the contacts so I assume they just didn't like the idea
the only real positive response I've gotten back that sounds promising is restoring the continuous student benches along the sidelines which I view as one of my personal Cal hoops missions.
that would be huge, so we will see
You know what would be interesting to see (if they even exist): aerial views of the court and the student section, from Harmon, to the first year(s) of Haas, through today. Evidence of our descent into corporate hell. Could even be stills from TV broadcasts.
Bring back the $million scoreboard that was built for Haas, but wouldn't fit under the correctly reengineered roof structure!
Thanks a lot smarty pants professors!
Doh!
Thanks a lot smarty pants professors!
Doh!
TY HD for explaining.
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