As the NBA draft approaches, and as a Warriors fan for many years, I have felt for some time that Jaime Jaquez from UCLA would be the the perfect pick and fit for them at any pick after the 9th pick. He doesn't address their need for size necessarily, but I think his fit in Kerr's read and react offense and defensively is just to good to pass up. Just wondering what others here think, as Jaquez is a player we are pretty familiar with over the last 3 years.

Jaime Jaquez is a great player

if he can be as good as that Laker sophomore than I say Sign him up!

(disclaimer: I'm a very poor evaluator of college player potential in the nba)

BlakeJ22 said:

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As the NBA draft approaches, and as a Warriors fan for many years, I have felt for some time that Jaime Jaquez from UCLA would be the the perfect pick and fit for them at any pick after the 9th pick. He doesn't address their need for size necessarily, but I think his fit in Kerr's read and react offense and defensively is just to good to pass up. Just wondering what others here think, as Jaquez is a player we are pretty familiar with over the last 3 years.

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the dubs beat writer for the athletic had them picking him....although he said it would make more sense if they traded down to make that pick.

Can't shoot, bad athlete, not an NBA player, even though he was great in college.

Dubs didn't even have a chance to pick Jaquez. He got picked by the Heat one pick before the Dubs.

Pat Riley disagrees, we will see, but I think he's a rotation player in the right system and from day 1.
Riley found undrafted Caleb Martin and Gabe Vincent and plugged them in. Jaquez was a fit for Kerr's system and does a lot of things other, more athletic players, won't do. Spolestra will play him IMHO.

BlakeJ22 said:

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Pat Riley disagrees, we will see, but I think he's a rotation player in the right system and from day 1.
Riley found undrafted Caleb Martin and Gabe Vincent and plugged them in. Jaquez was a fit for Kerr's system and does a lot of things other, more athletic players, won't do. Spolestra will play him IMHO.

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He will get a chance. Even the best drafters miss most of the time at 18, so a bet against is easier to justify.

BlakeJ22 said:

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Pat Riley disagrees, we will see, but I think he's a rotation player in the right system and from day 1.
Riley found undrafted Caleb Martin and Gabe Vincent and plugged them in. Jaquez was a fit for Kerr's system and does a lot of things other, more athletic players, won't do. Spolestra will play him IMHO.

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Agree. He's skilled, competitive, and smart. He'll have a different role in the NBA. He may never put up stats of note, but I think he will contribute immediately and for awhile.

sluggo said:

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Can't shoot, bad athlete, not an NBA player, even though he was great in college.

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People said the same thing about Kyle Anderson. He's still plugging along, with career earnings over $60M by the end of next season.

Jaime is smarter, more athletic, a better passer. Can he defend? We'll see, but I think he carves out a role and has a nice 8-10 year career.

GMP said:

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sluggo said:

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Can't shoot, bad athlete, not an NBA player, even though he was great in college.

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People said the same thing about Kyle Anderson. He's still plugging along, with career earnings over $60M by the end of next season.

Jaime is smarter, more athletic, a better passer. Can he defend? We'll see, but I think he carves out a role and has a nice 8-10 year career.

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I never would have guessed Matt Barnes would play until he was 38 and make over $35 million in his NBA career.

GMP said:

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sluggo said:

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Can't shoot, bad athlete, not an NBA player, even though he was great in college.

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People said the same thing about Kyle Anderson. He's still plugging along, with career earnings over $60M by the end of next season.

Jaime is smarter, more athletic, a better passer. Can he defend? We'll see, but I think he carves out a role and has a nice 8-10 year career.

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No they didn't. Anderson is three inches taller, stronger, shoots better, and is way more athletic (even if he chooses to move slowly). Jacquez is clever, but that is as far as it goes. Being slow does matter, even if you can find an exception or two. As a first round pick he will get a chance, but I am betting against him.

Interesting article.

https://www.si.com/college/michigan/basketball/michigan-basketball-hunter-dickinson-transfer-kansas-nba-draft-drew-timme-adama-sonogo-oscar-tshiebwe

I am surprised that Sonogo and Tshiebwe went undrafted. Sonogo dominated the NCAA tourney and looked very athletic. Crazy.

sluggo said:

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GMP said:

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sluggo said:

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Can't shoot, bad athlete, not an NBA player, even though he was great in college.

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People said the same thing about Kyle Anderson. He's still plugging along, with career earnings over $60M by the end of next season.

Jaime is smarter, more athletic, a better passer. Can he defend? We'll see, but I think he carves out a role and has a nice 8-10 year career.

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No they didn't. Anderson is three inches taller, stronger, shoots better, and is way more athletic (even if he chooses to move slowly). Jacquez is clever, but that is as far as it goes. Being slow does matter, even if you can find an exception or two. As a first round pick he will get a chance, but I am betting against him.

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They literally did. Here's one scouting report.

https://bleacherreport.com/articles/2017693-best-case-worst-case-nba-comparisons-for-uclas-kyle-anderson

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He has abnormally slow feet and minimal athleticism for a ball-handler.

And ball-handlers play on the perimeterthe quickest area on the floor. Anderson moves more like an awkward 7-footer than a point guardbut so far, his slow-motion approach hasn't kept him from picking everyone apart.

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But no matter which way you slice it, Anderson doesn't project as a plus defender. In fact, defense might be the biggest threat to his NBA minutes.

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At the end of the day, whether Anderson turns out to be a star point guard, a dynamic point forward, a backup or a glue guy, he just has too many promising basketball strengths for his slow feet to weigh him down too much.

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Here's another: http://www.draftexpress.com/profile/kyle-anderson-6177/

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Anderson's slo-mo nickname wasn't given by accident, as he indeed lacks much in the way of the quickness or explosiveness you typically associate with NBA guards. His first step is average in the half-court, as he relies heavily on his terrific timing, ball-handling and hesitation moves to create an advantage, something that can be negated by better defenders. Will his passing ability be as effective if he's unable to get by opponents at quite the same rate?

He was fairly ineffective in open-court situations at the college level, only getting out 55 times all season as the transition ball-handler, and struggling badly when he did, scoring just 36 points and making 39% of his field goal attempts. His inability to play above the rim consistently hurts him here, as it does in the half-court as well. He made just 48% of his 2-point attempts on the season, which ranks 63rd among the 76 college players currently in our Top-100 rankings.

As good of a passer as Anderson is, he was also one of the most turnover prone players in this draft class at the same time, ranking fifth in our Top-100 in turnover percentage (second among projected first rounders.) He's a little nonchalant with the ball at times, making some careless passes, and his size allows smaller players to get underneath him and take the ball away.

With that said, the biggest questions surrounding Anderson's pro potential revolve around his play on the defensive end, specifically, who he will be able to guard at the NBA level. While Anderson's length and anticipation skills allow him to generate plenty of blocks and steals, his lateral quickness is as poor as any player in this draft class. He's extremely upright in his defensive stance, and he allows opposing players to blow right by him like he's simply invisible at times. Because of his struggles getting low and staying in front of opponents, reaching for steals is usually Anderson's most effective strategy, something NBA teams are certain to go after and try to exploit regularly. In college his coaches would often try to hide him by putting him on big men or non-scorers, which might not work quite as well in the more physically gifted and talented NBA.

Anderson is clearly one of the most unique prospects in this draft, a player with incredible gifts, but also some very glaring weaknesses. Ultimately whatever team drafts him will have to be comfortable with what he is and isn't, and be willing to work around his shortcomings.

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oski003 said:

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Interesting article.

https://www.si.com/college/michigan/basketball/michigan-basketball-hunter-dickinson-transfer-kansas-nba-draft-drew-timme-adama-sonogo-oscar-tshiebwe

I am surprised that Sonogo and Tshiebwe went undrafted. Sonogo dominated the NCAA tourney and looked very athletic. Crazy.

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A data point for why we don't need another big with our last slot.

tequila4kapp said:

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oski003 said:

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Interesting article.

https://www.si.com/college/michigan/basketball/michigan-basketball-hunter-dickinson-transfer-kansas-nba-draft-drew-timme-adama-sonogo-oscar-tshiebwe

I am surprised that Sonogo and Tshiebwe went undrafted. Sonogo dominated the NCAA tourney and looked very athletic. Crazy.

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A data point for why we don't need another big with our last slot.

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Please elaborate. Dominating the NCAA Tournament sounds pretty good to me.

calumnus said:

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tequila4kapp said:

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oski003 said:

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Interesting article.

https://www.si.com/college/michigan/basketball/michigan-basketball-hunter-dickinson-transfer-kansas-nba-draft-drew-timme-adama-sonogo-oscar-tshiebwe

I am surprised that Sonogo and Tshiebwe went undrafted. Sonogo dominated the NCAA tourney and looked very athletic. Crazy.

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A data point for why we don't need another big with our last slot.

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Please elaborate. Dominating the NCAA Tournament sounds pretty good to me.

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The modern game is changing. You win with shooters, not twin towers. We have our dominant big with a young one in reserve. We are set there. With one open spot left we should use it elsewhere like a 2nd real PG, maybe someone who will be here more than 1 year.

tequila4kapp said:

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calumnus said:

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tequila4kapp said:

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oski003 said:

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Interesting article.

https://www.si.com/college/michigan/basketball/michigan-basketball-hunter-dickinson-transfer-kansas-nba-draft-drew-timme-adama-sonogo-oscar-tshiebwe

I am surprised that Sonogo and Tshiebwe went undrafted. Sonogo dominated the NCAA tourney and looked very athletic. Crazy.

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A data point for why we don't need another big with our last slot.

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Please elaborate. Dominating the NCAA Tournament sounds pretty good to me.

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The modern game is changing. You win with shooters, not twin towers. We have our dominant big with a young one in reserve. We are set there. With one open spot left we should use it elsewhere like a 2nd real PG, maybe someone who will be here more than 1 year.

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Yes, I just didn't understand your previous comment relating to the NBA despite dominating in the NCAA tournament. I agree that from a roster perspective, with one slot left, PG appears to be a greater need, not that we couldn't use a big that would dominate in the NCAA tournament, but only if the PG is better than Askew.

tequila4kapp said:

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calumnus said:

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tequila4kapp said:

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oski003 said:

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Interesting article.

https://www.si.com/college/michigan/basketball/michigan-basketball-hunter-dickinson-transfer-kansas-nba-draft-drew-timme-adama-sonogo-oscar-tshiebwe

I am surprised that Sonogo and Tshiebwe went undrafted. Sonogo dominated the NCAA tourney and looked very athletic. Crazy.

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A data point for why we don't need another big with our last slot.

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Please elaborate. Dominating the NCAA Tournament sounds pretty good to me.

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The modern game is changing. You win with shooters, not twin towers. We have our dominant big with a young one in reserve. We are set there. With one open spot left we should use it elsewhere like a 2nd real PG, maybe someone who will be here more than 1 year.

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You don't win with back to the basket big men anymore, but you do win with big men. The top 3 players in the NBA are big men. 3 of the teams that made it to the NBA conference finals are lead or co-lead by big men.

Tall folks play at a higher level.

concernedparent said:

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tequila4kapp said:

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calumnus said:

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tequila4kapp said:

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oski003 said:

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Interesting article.

https://www.si.com/college/michigan/basketball/michigan-basketball-hunter-dickinson-transfer-kansas-nba-draft-drew-timme-adama-sonogo-oscar-tshiebwe

I am surprised that Sonogo and Tshiebwe went undrafted. Sonogo dominated the NCAA tourney and looked very athletic. Crazy.

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A data point for why we don't need another big with our last slot.

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Please elaborate. Dominating the NCAA Tournament sounds pretty good to me.

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The modern game is changing. You win with shooters, not twin towers. We have our dominant big with a young one in reserve. We are set there. With one open spot left we should use it elsewhere like a 2nd real PG, maybe someone who will be here more than 1 year.

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You don't win with back to the basket big men anymore, but you do win with big men. The top 3 players in the NBA are big men. 3 of the teams that made it to the NBA conference finals are lead or co-lead by big men.

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All I'm saying is Cal's roster has a polished big, a young developmental big and a 2nd year big that's developmentally somewhere between the other two. We are set at the 5 - actually the roster is near perfect there and we shouldn't be focused on adding another, as some on the board have lobbied for.

tequila4kapp said:

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concernedparent said:

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tequila4kapp said:

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calumnus said:

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tequila4kapp said:

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oski003 said:

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Interesting article.

https://www.si.com/college/michigan/basketball/michigan-basketball-hunter-dickinson-transfer-kansas-nba-draft-drew-timme-adama-sonogo-oscar-tshiebwe

I am surprised that Sonogo and Tshiebwe went undrafted. Sonogo dominated the NCAA tourney and looked very athletic. Crazy.

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A data point for why we don't need another big with our last slot.

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Please elaborate. Dominating the NCAA Tournament sounds pretty good to me.

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The modern game is changing. You win with shooters, not twin towers. We have our dominant big with a young one in reserve. We are set there. With one open spot left we should use it elsewhere like a 2nd real PG, maybe someone who will be here more than 1 year.

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You don't win with back to the basket big men anymore, but you do win with big men. The top 3 players in the NBA are big men. 3 of the teams that made it to the NBA conference finals are lead or co-lead by big men.

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All I'm saying is Cal's roster has a polished big, a young developmental big and a 2nd year big that's developmentally somewhere between the other two. We are set at the 5 - actually the roster is near perfect there and we shouldn't be focused on adding another, as some on the board have lobbied for.

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If we have three 5s, who are the 4s?

Seems like we have a lot of 2s and 3s, "combo" 1-2s.

I agree, a pure point better than Askew at PG would be my top wish, but an impact stretch 4, would be my second. Maybe we find a grad transfer? I'm also completely fine with Wren Robinson getting the scholarship for a year.

Looking forward to seeing this team on the floor. Cal basketball is fun again.

GMP said:

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sluggo said:

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GMP said:

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sluggo said:

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Can't shoot, bad athlete, not an NBA player, even though he was great in college.

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People said the same thing about Kyle Anderson. He's still plugging along, with career earnings over $60M by the end of next season.

Jaime is smarter, more athletic, a better passer. Can he defend? We'll see, but I think he carves out a role and has a nice 8-10 year career.

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No they didn't. Anderson is three inches taller, stronger, shoots better, and is way more athletic (even if he chooses to move slowly). Jacquez is clever, but that is as far as it goes. Being slow does matter, even if you can find an exception or two. As a first round pick he will get a chance, but I am betting against him.

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They literally did. Here's one scouting report.

https://bleacherreport.com/articles/2017693-best-case-worst-case-nba-comparisons-for-uclas-kyle-anderson

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He has abnormally slow feet and minimal athleticism for a ball-handler.

And ball-handlers play on the perimeterthe quickest area on the floor. Anderson moves more like an awkward 7-footer than a point guardbut so far, his slow-motion approach hasn't kept him from picking everyone apart.

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But no matter which way you slice it, Anderson doesn't project as a plus defender. In fact, defense might be the biggest threat to his NBA minutes.

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At the end of the day, whether Anderson turns out to be a star point guard, a dynamic point forward, a backup or a glue guy, he just has too many promising basketball strengths for his slow feet to weigh him down too much.

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Here's another: http://www.draftexpress.com/profile/kyle-anderson-6177/

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Anderson's slo-mo nickname wasn't given by accident, as he indeed lacks much in the way of the quickness or explosiveness you typically associate with NBA guards. His first step is average in the half-court, as he relies heavily on his terrific timing, ball-handling and hesitation moves to create an advantage, something that can be negated by better defenders. Will his passing ability be as effective if he's unable to get by opponents at quite the same rate?

He was fairly ineffective in open-court situations at the college level, only getting out 55 times all season as the transition ball-handler, and struggling badly when he did, scoring just 36 points and making 39% of his field goal attempts. His inability to play above the rim consistently hurts him here, as it does in the half-court as well. He made just 48% of his 2-point attempts on the season, which ranks 63rd among the 76 college players currently in our Top-100 rankings.

As good of a passer as Anderson is, he was also one of the most turnover prone players in this draft class at the same time, ranking fifth in our Top-100 in turnover percentage (second among projected first rounders.) He's a little nonchalant with the ball at times, making some careless passes, and his size allows smaller players to get underneath him and take the ball away.

With that said, the biggest questions surrounding Anderson's pro potential revolve around his play on the defensive end, specifically, who he will be able to guard at the NBA level. While Anderson's length and anticipation skills allow him to generate plenty of blocks and steals, his lateral quickness is as poor as any player in this draft class. He's extremely upright in his defensive stance, and he allows opposing players to blow right by him like he's simply invisible at times. Because of his struggles getting low and staying in front of opponents, reaching for steals is usually Anderson's most effective strategy, something NBA teams are certain to go after and try to exploit regularly. In college his coaches would often try to hide him by putting him on big men or non-scorers, which might not work quite as well in the more physically gifted and talented NBA.

Anderson is clearly one of the most unique prospects in this draft, a player with incredible gifts, but also some very glaring weaknesses. Ultimately whatever team drafts him will have to be comfortable with what he is and isn't, and be willing to work around his shortcomings.

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Summer league? Yes. So maybe take it with a couple grains of salt. But we have our first Jaime data point after his first summer league game and he was impressive - he was actually trending on Twitter mid-day. Here's a post game synopsis from Draft Express:

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Jaime Jaquez burst onto the summer league scene with 22 PTS in 22 MINS in his first appearance w/ Miami, who beat LA 107-90. Showed his explosiveness in the open court, savvy P&R shot creation, touch + hit 3 3s. Well-rounded, experienced, competitive + skilled at 6-7 + 22 y/o

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