Barring Poole suddenly becoming a two way team player, this appears to be a good move. This move admits that Poole's contract was a mistake but also gives them a better shot to maintain their team and win next year.

Is this to pave way for Draymond return?

Plus they might get a break with their home insurance rates.

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Is this to pave way for Draymond return?

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Only if he can punch Paul in the face.

Good job getting rid of Poole and that ridiculous contact.

Paul is too old and too injured to matter on a too old and injured team.

From what I have read this trade is not only for next year but for following years. Paul has an expiring contract (team option that won't be picked up), while Poole was going to be paid for the next four years. So a year from now they are in much better shape to sign Thompson (in his final year) if they choose, or to get someone else. Curry has three more years, so that is their championship window. Everything I have read says Green will come back, I suspect for three years, the same length as Curry.

The start of the Dunleavy era is going great. Now time to get some height and to add an additional scorer with Poole and DiVincenzo (likely) gone.

Adding CP0 is not great, but this deal was done to dump Poole's 4 year contract, and the Warriors probably would have taken any deal they could get as long as the salaries matched up, as they do here.

CP3 is probably coming off the bench and playing 20 minutes/game. That will hopefully keep him healthy for the playoffs. When have the Dubs gotten killed? During the non-Steph minutes. This is a reasonable way to address that issue.

Non-Dub fan here...thought this was a really good move. Between performance and locker room stuff Poole just didn't seem like a fit. Doing anything to get out from that contract is smart. Next move if I'm the Dub's GM is to lockdown Green and Klay short term - no longer than Steph's existing contract duration. The window is closing on this aging group...don't turn your back on them doing it again but also don't hamstring the organization for the next 5 or 6 years with bad contracts.

When Steph and Klay get decrepit, sub them in every once in awhile and set a screen for them.

Smart money moves. I don't think he's a great fit with Golden State, he comes in and gives Steph Curry a breather and runs the team but he is no longer a scorer. He is great at the pick and roll, but who is he going to do that with?

I just discovered these great scouting videos of the Warriors picks. I came away more excited about Trayce Jackson-Davis and less excited about Brandin P. I think the former could be a real steal and could get minutes next year.

Poole avearsge 20 ppg and 30 minutes per game. There has to be other moves because Paul isn't capable of either.

I'll be surprised if Paul is still on the Warriors' roster when the regular season starts. This was purely a move to dump Poole's salary.

Paul Will definitely be on the team. Poole was a no show in the playoffs and toxic in the Locker room. This deal wouldn't have gotten done without Klay and Steph co-signing.
With Steph off the floor and Poole in it was chaos

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Smart money moves. I don't think he's a great fit with Golden State, he comes in and gives Steph Curry a breather and runs the team but he is no longer a scorer. He is great at the pick and roll, but who is he going to do that with?

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If you read this article from the Athletic, it says they ran a ton of high pick and roll in the playoffs with Steph and Draymond. Felt that they didn't have any other "changeups" beyond that especially with AD guarding the paint. Worth a read.

Kerr on new variety for the GSW offense: "When we had to have a bucket, we’ve leaned on the high pick-and-roll, Steph/Draymond. It’s our best play. That’s our 98-mph fastball. But if you throw that down the middle enough, somebody’s hitting it into McCovey Cove." https://t.co/nzsZZVYBD2

— Tim Kawakami (@timkawakami) June 24, 2023

I have been hearing some national pundits disparage these moves, almost as if they thought it was a straight up Poole-4-Paul deal. Obviously, the Warriors need another decent-sized piece or two for this next season, duh. Let's see what they come up with.

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I have been hearing some national pundits disparage these moves, almost as if it were a straight up Poole-4-Paul deal. Obviously, the Warriors need another decent-sized piece or two for this next season, duh. Let's see what they come up with.

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Any pundit that thinks this was a value for value trade by the Warriors needs to get a clue. It was a pure salary dump rectifying a mistake they made betting on Poole last year with the big extension that looked good at the time.

If they can get something out of Paul next season that helps them win, great. If they can get something in trade for him that helps them win, great. But Poole's salary was not going to work with this team for the next 4 years if he played all like he did this season, especially in the playoffs. It's not all about the points.

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Poole had a sophomore slump, i think he has a lot of good years ahead of him, I see this more as trade to set up a last run with Curry, Thompson, now Paul and yes, Draymond and the free agent they can now afford. The future will take care of itself, especially if Kerr is part of it.

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MoragaBear said:

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I have been hearing some national pundits disparage these moves, almost as if it were a straight up Poole-4-Paul deal. Obviously, the Warriors need another decent-sized piece or two for this next season, duh. Let's see what they come up with.

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Any pundit that thinks this was a value for value trade by the Warriors needs to get a clue. It was a pure salary dump rectifying a mistake they made betting on Poole last year with the big extension that looked good at the time.

If they can get something out of Paul next season that helps them win, great. If they can get something in trade for him that helps them win, great. But Poole's salary was not going to work with this team for the next 4 years if he played all like he did this season, especially in the playoffs. It's not all about the points.

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Poole had a sophomore slump, i think he has a lot of good years ahead of him, I see this more as trade to set up a last run with Curry, Thompson, now Paul and yes, Draymond and the free agent they can now afford. The future will take care of itself, especially if Kerr is part of it.

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Do you mean free agent(s) next summer? They can only sign vet minimum guys this summer (other than their own free agent, Draymond). I think that'd still be true even if Draymond left in free agency as they would still be over the cap....although the taxpayer mid-level exception might be available in that case. The new CBA is confusing.

Next summer they'd have a chance to sign a big money free agent....if they don't keep Klay and Paul (or they re-sign for much cheaper).

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I have been hearing some national pundits disparage these moves, almost as if it were a straight up Poole-4-Paul deal. Obviously, the Warriors need another decent-sized piece or two for this next season, duh. Let's see what they come up with.

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Any pundit that thinks this was a value for value trade by the Warriors needs to get a clue. It was a pure salary dump rectifying a mistake they made betting on Poole last year with the big extension that looked good at the time.

If they can get something out of Paul next season that helps them win, great. If they can get something in trade for him that helps them win, great. But Poole's salary was not going to work with this team for the next 4 years if he played all like he did this season, especially in the playoffs. It's not all about the points.

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Poole had a sophomore slump, i think he has a lot of good years ahead of him, I see this more as trade to set up a last run with Curry, Thompson, now Paul and yes, Draymond and the free agent they can now afford. The future will take care of itself, especially if Kerr is part of it.

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Do you mean free agent(s) next summer? They can only sign vet minimum guys this summer (other than their own free agent, Draymond). I think that'd still be true even if Draymond left in free agency as they would still be over the cap....although the taxpayer mid-level exception might be available in that case. The new CBA is confusing.

Next summer they'd have a chance to sign a big money free agent....if they don't keep Klay and Paul (or they re-sign for much cheaper).

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Right. They seem to be aiming at having more flexibility in summer 2024 rather than this year.

Step one was dumping Poole's four-year deal because the new CBA punishes teams for paying that much to a team's third or fourth or fifth best player. The Celtics got rid of Smart's contract for the same reason -- like the Warriors they essentially swapped that long term contract for a player who they only have to pay for one year.

Steps two and three are convincing Klay and Dray to accept about half their current salaries on contracts that will end the same year as Steph's deal. Warriors' management may chicken out and pay those two more than that, but if they do then they will greatly limit their abililty to sign quality depth in the summers of 2024 and 2025.

Any move (and future move) has to been seen thru the lens of maximizing the next three years and saying to hell to whatever happens after that.

That's why

Cp3>Poole

Podz>whitmore

TJD>PBJ

Warriors are betting those three will be better than their counterparts in the extreme short term.

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I have been hearing some national pundits disparage these moves, almost as if it were a straight up Poole-4-Paul deal. Obviously, the Warriors need another decent-sized piece or two for this next season, duh. Let's see what they come up with.

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Any pundit that thinks this was a value for value trade by the Warriors needs to get a clue. It was a pure salary dump rectifying a mistake they made betting on Poole last year with the big extension that looked good at the time.

If they can get something out of Paul next season that helps them win, great. If they can get something in trade for him that helps them win, great. But Poole's salary was not going to work with this team for the next 4 years if he played all like he did this season, especially in the playoffs. It's not all about the points.

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Poole had a sophomore slump, i think he has a lot of good years ahead of him, I see this more as trade to set up a last run with Curry, Thompson, now Paul and yes, Draymond and the free agent they can now afford. The future will take care of itself, especially if Kerr is part of it.

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Do you mean free agent(s) next summer? They can only sign vet minimum guys this summer (other than their own free agent, Draymond). I think that'd still be true even if Draymond left in free agency as they would still be over the cap....although the taxpayer mid-level exception might be available in that case. The new CBA is confusing.

Next summer they'd have a chance to sign a big money free agent....if they don't keep Klay and Paul (or they re-sign for much cheaper).

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Right. They seem to be aiming at having more flexibility in summer 2024 rather than this year.

Step one was dumping Poole's four-year deal because the new CBA punishes teams for paying that much to a team's third or fourth or fifth best player. The Celtics got rid of Smart's contract for the same reason -- like the Warriors they essentially swapped that long term contract for a player who they only have to pay for one year.

Steps two and three are convincing Klay and Dray to accept about half their current salaries on contracts that will end the same year as Steph's deal. Warriors' management may chicken out and pay those two more than that, but if they do then they will greatly limit their abililty to sign quality depth in the summers of 2024 and 2025.

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Smart was not a facilitator and while he had moments of being a dog he shot way too many bad shots and turned the ball over in critical moments. So yea, money was there but he was a bad fit for the big 2.

Well, remember that the initial version of the Porzingis trade involved Brogdon, not Smart. Had to pivot to another deal when the Clips had concerns about Brogdon's injury.

On a different note, Stevens said he hopes to sign Porzingis to an extension. If they do, they aren't freeing up any future salary flexibility.

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Well, remember that the initial version of the Porzingis trade involved Brogdon, not Smart. Had to pivot to another deal when the Clips had concerns about Brogdon's injury.

On a different note, Stevens said he hopes to sign Porzingis to an extension. If they do, they aren't freeing up any future salary flexibility.

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The Celtics will get some flexibility if they can sign Porzingis to a new deal at about half of his 2023-24 salary, similar to what the Warriors should be doing on new contracts for Draymond Green and Klay Thompson.

The Hawks just made their own salary-dump deal, sending John Collins and the 3 years left on his big contract to Utah, and taking back only the last year of Rudy Gay's contract.

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Well, remember that the initial version of the Porzingis trade involved Brogdon, not Smart. Had to pivot to another deal when the Clips had concerns about Brogdon's injury.

On a different note, Stevens said he hopes to sign Porzingis to an extension. If they do, they aren't freeing up any future salary flexibility.

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The Celtics will get some flexibility if they can sign Porzingis to a new deal at about half of his 2023-24 salary, similar to what the Warriors should be doing on new contracts for Draymond Green and Klay Thompson.

The Hawks just made their own salary-dump deal, sending John Collins and the 3 years left on his big contract to Utah, and taking back only the last year of Rudy Gay's contract.

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I really think Boston wanted to keep Smart and add Porzingis based on their initial trade involving LAC but they had to quickly pivot to another trade given Porzingis' opt-in deadline. Maybe they would have looked to move Smart later on, but his $20M/year contract isn't that bad and he obviously had great value given that they got Porzingis and 2 #1 picks in return.

We'll see, but I'll be surprised if Draymond signs for a significant reduction. All he needs is a potential bid from Sacto to increase the competition. Same deal with Harden playing Houston against the 76ers. Definitely think Klay will have to take a big cut in his next contract regardless of who he signs with.

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Well, remember that the initial version of the Porzingis trade involved Brogdon, not Smart. Had to pivot to another deal when the Clips had concerns about Brogdon's injury.

On a different note, Stevens said he hopes to sign Porzingis to an extension. If they do, they aren't freeing up any future salary flexibility.

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The Celtics will get some flexibility if they can sign Porzingis to a new deal at about half of his 2023-24 salary, similar to what the Warriors should be doing on new contracts for Draymond Green and Klay Thompson.

The Hawks just made their own salary-dump deal, sending John Collins and the 3 years left on his big contract to Utah, and taking back only the last year of Rudy Gay's contract.

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I really think Boston wanted to keep Smart and add Porzingis based on their initial trade involving LAC but they had to quickly pivot to another trade given Porzingis' opt-in deadline. Maybe they would have looked to move Smart later on, but his $20M/year contract isn't that bad and he obviously had great value given that they got Porzingis and 2 #1 picks in return.

We'll see, but I'll be surprised if Draymond signs for a significant reduction. All he needs is a potential bid from Sacto to increase the competition. Same deal with Harden playing Houston against the 76ers. Definitely think Klay will have to take a big cut in his next contract regardless of who he signs with.

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If Draymond gets 3 years at a huge salary, it will be because the Warriors front office is scared that letting Draymond walk would piss off Steph. It won't be because of any offer from Sacramento. If Steph's feelings were not part of the equation, you could tell Draymond, "Okay, you can get $15 million/year and contend for titles with us, or $30 million/year from Sacramento, whose ceiling is a second-round exit. Your choice."

I think Sac will offer more years and he will have to take it. As a warrior fan, I hope so. Past time to move on from Green.

GS would be in a better position to hardball Green if the coach and GM both didn't say they want him back and can't win a championship without him.

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GS would be in a better position to hardball Green if the coach and GM both didn't say they want him back and can't win a championship without him.

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You could also say that they are trying to get a discount by telling them how much they like him and how much he is valued. I think they know what they are doing.

There is some talk above about getting him on a discount. That will not happen. He was supposed to get 27 million this year. I say he gets a raise to 3 years, 95 million from the Warriors. I think the negotiations are whether he gets three or four years. That Warriors are over the cap and can't sign anyone else anyway, so it doesn't really matter. Next year will be interesting as they will try to talk Thompson down from 43.

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I have been hearing some national pundits disparage these moves, almost as if it were a straight up Poole-4-Paul deal. Obviously, the Warriors need another decent-sized piece or two for this next season, duh. Let's see what they come up with.

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Any pundit that thinks this was a value for value trade by the Warriors needs to get a clue. It was a pure salary dump rectifying a mistake they made betting on Poole last year with the big extension that looked good at the time.

If they can get something out of Paul next season that helps them win, great. If they can get something in trade for him that helps them win, great. But Poole's salary was not going to work with this team for the next 4 years if he played all like he did this season, especially in the playoffs. It's not all about the points.

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Poole had a sophomore slump, i think he has a lot of good years ahead of him, I see this more as trade to set up a last run with Curry, Thompson, now Paul and yes, Draymond and the free agent they can now afford. The future will take care of itself, especially if Kerr is part of it.

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Do you mean free agent(s) next summer? They can only sign vet minimum guys this summer (other than their own free agent, Draymond). I think that'd still be true even if Draymond left in free agency as they would still be over the cap....although the taxpayer mid-level exception might be available in that case. The new CBA is confusing.

Next summer they'd have a chance to sign a big money free agent....if they don't keep Klay and Paul (or they re-sign for much cheaper).

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Right. They seem to be aiming at having more flexibility in summer 2024 rather than this year.

Step one was dumping Poole's four-year deal because the new CBA punishes teams for paying that much to a team's third or fourth or fifth best player. The Celtics got rid of Smart's contract for the same reason -- like the Warriors they essentially swapped that long term contract for a player who they only have to pay for one year.

Steps two and three are convincing Klay and Dray to accept about half their current salaries on contracts that will end the same year as Steph's deal. Warriors' management may chicken out and pay those two more than that, but if they do then they will greatly limit their abililty to sign quality depth in the summers of 2024 and 2025.

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Smart was not a facilitator and while he had moments of being a dog he shot way too many bad shots and turned the ball over in critical moments. So yea, money was there but he was a bad fit for the big 2.

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Smart gave them a hard nosed player diving for loose ball and a good defender. Tatum and Brown are not going to win a championship with the same cast. Porzingis is a 7 foot 3 inch guy who can score in the low post, shot 38% from 3 and is a rim defender. This is a bid for a championship next year- of course, if he's healthy.

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GS would be in a better position to hardball Green if the coach and GM both didn't say they want him back and can't win a championship without him.

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You could also say that they are trying to get a discount by telling them how much they like him and how much he is valued. I think they know what they are doing.

There is some talk above about getting him on a discount. That will not happen. He was supposed to get 27 million this year. I say he gets a raise to 3 years, 95 million from the Warriors. I think the negotiations are whether he gets three or four years. That Warriors are over the cap and can't sign anyone else anyway, so it doesn't really matter. Next year will be interesting as they will try to talk Thompson down from 43.

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Agreed. My guess is 3 years, 75-80M. Maybe they give him a partial guarantee for a 4th year, like they did with Livingston's last contract. Draymond wants the security of a longer deal but I think he realizes that Lacob is only willing to pay so much in luxury taxes.

Would you guys agree that GS, as currently constituted (including Draymond and the draft choices), needs to add 1-2 more pieces to have a realistic shot at a title? Seems to me like they do and Lacob/Dunleavy/Kerr surely know that.

So how do they go about it? I'm guessing they try and get an older big guy or two, who want to end their careers with a title and thus are willing to sign at a bargain price. Then they hope all the old guys stay healthy.

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Would you guys agree that GS, as currently constituted (including Draymond and the draft choices), needs to add 1-2 more pieces to have a realistic shot at a title? Seems to me like they do and Lacob/Dunleavy/Kerr surely know that.

So how do they go about it? I'm guessing they try and get an older big guy or two, who want to end their careers with a title and thus are willing to sign at a bargain price. Then they hope all the old guys stay healthy.

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Realistically, they could use another big, another scoring guard, and a 3rd PG. However, they can really only get guys on vet minimum contracts and I don't think there's too many impact guys available at that price. Kinda need to get lucky and hit on someone (like when they first signed GP2). I am guessing Ty Jerome will be the 3rd PG.

It would help them a lot if JK and Moody became good rotation players.