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Saw an X post, Celestine back for Butler.
KoreAmBear said:
Saw an X post, Celestine back for Butler.
Askew?
Nothing yet.JimSox said:KoreAmBear said:
Saw an X post, Celestine back for Butler.
Askew?
KoreAmBear said:Nothing yet.JimSox said:KoreAmBear said:
Saw an X post, Celestine back for Butler.
Askew?
Askew Slows the game down . Not sure why. He is not as quick or dynamic asKennedy.
Go Bears!
Despite being a highly rated prep, he's kind of a non-athlete. His game is skill based.oskidunker said:KoreAmBear said:Nothing yet.JimSox said:KoreAmBear said:
Saw an X post, Celestine back for Butler.
Askew?
Askew Slows the game down . Not sure why. He is not as quick or dynamic asKennedy.
I've observed that Askew palms the ball even when he doesn't need to. Palming is useful in order to change direction, but if you're going straight, it takes longer than bouncing the ball with your hand on top of it. Try it. He's not blazing fast anyway, and I think his dribbling technique slows him down even further.oskidunker said:KoreAmBear said:Nothing yet.JimSox said:KoreAmBear said:
Saw an X post, Celestine back for Butler.
Askew?
Askew Slows the game down . Not sure why. He is not as quick or dynamic asKennedy.
concernedparent said:Despite being a highly rated prep, he's kind of a non-athlete. His game is skill based.oskidunker said:KoreAmBear said:Nothing yet.JimSox said:KoreAmBear said:
Saw an X post, Celestine back for Butler.
Askew?
Askew Slows the game down . Not sure why. He is not as quick or dynamic asKennedy.
What do you see as his primary skills?
He has a confident handle and I think he can play with good patience in picking his spots if he's not asked to be a scorer. I trust the coaches when say they say he's a much better floor general in practice than what he's shown so far. That being said, the modern game needs a PG that can penetrate and shoot.calumnus said:concernedparent said:Despite being a highly rated prep, he's kind of a non-athlete. His game is skill based.oskidunker said:KoreAmBear said:Nothing yet.JimSox said:KoreAmBear said:
Saw an X post, Celestine back for Butler.
Askew?
Askew Slows the game down . Not sure why. He is not as quick or dynamic asKennedy.
What do you see as his primary skills?
concernedparent said:He has a confident handle and I think he can play with good patience in picking his spots if he's not asked to be a scorer. I trust the coaches when say they say he's a much better floor general in practice than what he's shown so far. That being said, the modern game needs a PG that can penetrate and shoot.calumnus said:concernedparent said:Despite being a highly rated prep, he's kind of a non-athlete. His game is skill based.oskidunker said:KoreAmBear said:Nothing yet.JimSox said:KoreAmBear said:
Saw an X post, Celestine back for Butler.
Askew?
Askew Slows the game down . Not sure why. He is not as quick or dynamic asKennedy.
What do you see as his primary skills?
Yeah, just at Cal Askew has a 3.8 to 3.6 assist to TO ratio and is shooting .377 including only .282 on 3s. His numbers this year, last year and at his previous stops are similar. His defensive box score is negative.
He just really can't be the go-to-guy. I think if he was the 4th or 5th option (which he will be when the team gets healthier) he could put up average to slightly below average TS%/eFG% with a 2:1 T/A ratio, which is not nothing for a team that desperately needs another PG.calumnus said:concernedparent said:He has a confident handle and I think he can play with good patience in picking his spots if he's not asked to be a scorer. I trust the coaches when say they say he's a much better floor general in practice than what he's shown so far. That being said, the modern game needs a PG that can penetrate and shoot.calumnus said:concernedparent said:Despite being a highly rated prep, he's kind of a non-athlete. His game is skill based.oskidunker said:KoreAmBear said:Nothing yet.JimSox said:KoreAmBear said:
Saw an X post, Celestine back for Butler.
Askew?
Askew Slows the game down . Not sure why. He is not as quick or dynamic asKennedy.
What do you see as his primary skills?
Yeah, just at Cal Askew has a 3.8 to 3.6 assist to TO ratio and is shooting .377 including only .282 on 3s. His numbers this year, last year and at his previous stops are similar. His defensive box score is negative.
concernedparent said:He just really can't be the go-to-guy. I think if he was the 4th or 5th option (which he will be when the team gets healthier) he could put up average to slightly below average TS%/eFG% with a 2:1 T/A ratio, which is not nothing for a team that desperately needs another PG.calumnus said:concernedparent said:He has a confident handle and I think he can play with good patience in picking his spots if he's not asked to be a scorer. I trust the coaches when say they say he's a much better floor general in practice than what he's shown so far. That being said, the modern game needs a PG that can penetrate and shoot.calumnus said:concernedparent said:Despite being a highly rated prep, he's kind of a non-athlete. His game is skill based.oskidunker said:KoreAmBear said:Nothing yet.JimSox said:KoreAmBear said:
Saw an X post, Celestine back for Butler.
Askew?
Askew Slows the game down . Not sure why. He is not as quick or dynamic asKennedy.
What do you see as his primary skills?
Yeah, just at Cal Askew has a 3.8 to 3.6 assist to TO ratio and is shooting .377 including only .282 on 3s. His numbers this year, last year and at his previous stops are similar. His defensive box score is negative.
Yeah, last season was a disaster in that regard as he lead the team in shots per possession and shots per minute but do you think he thinks he is this go-to-guy this season? His shot attempts are way down (#8) but his numbers this year are even worse so far: .375 shooting and only .182 from 3 with a 3.0 to 3.0 TO to Assist ratio with the worst Box Plus Minus (-6.8) of his career and worst on the team of anyone who has played more than 30 minutes. Hopefully it is just a slump and he finds his role.
Definitely glad Kennedy is healthy and is living up to the reports. Will be great if he can go 35 every night. Hopefully Askew or someone else becomes a steady back-up.
Thing about this roster, it is built to win now. So hopefully we continue to gel. Santa Clara was promising.calumnus said:concernedparent said:He just really can't be the go-to-guy. I think if he was the 4th or 5th option (which he will be when the team gets healthier) he could put up average to slightly below average TS%/eFG% with a 2:1 T/A ratio, which is not nothing for a team that desperately needs another PG.calumnus said:concernedparent said:He has a confident handle and I think he can play with good patience in picking his spots if he's not asked to be a scorer. I trust the coaches when say they say he's a much better floor general in practice than what he's shown so far. That being said, the modern game needs a PG that can penetrate and shoot.calumnus said:concernedparent said:Despite being a highly rated prep, he's kind of a non-athlete. His game is skill based.oskidunker said:KoreAmBear said:Nothing yet.JimSox said:KoreAmBear said:
Saw an X post, Celestine back for Butler.
Askew?
Askew Slows the game down . Not sure why. He is not as quick or dynamic asKennedy.
What do you see as his primary skills?
Yeah, just at Cal Askew has a 3.8 to 3.6 assist to TO ratio and is shooting .377 including only .282 on 3s. His numbers this year, last year and at his previous stops are similar. His defensive box score is negative.
Yeah, last season was a disaster in that regard as he lead the team in shots per possession and shots per minute but do you think he thinks he is this go-to-guy this season? His shot attempts are way down (#8) but his numbers this year are even worse so far: .375 shooting and only .182 from 3 with a 3.0 to 3.0 TO to Assist ratio with the worst Box Plus Minus (-6.8) of his career and worst on the team of anyone who has played more than 30 minutes. Hopefully it is just a slump and he finds his role.
Definitely glad Kennedy is healthy and is living up to the reports. Will be great if he can go 35 every night. Hopefully Askew or someone else becomes a steady back-up.
Who is gone after this season: Fardaws, Cone, Kennedy. Three starters. Anyone else? We def need to recruit a center and a PF.
And another PG. Or two.
I'm not ready to draw any conclusions from 3 games. D/O BPM is a pretty worthless stat for 3 games. 18% from 3 looks bad but he's only shot it 11 times. He's been very efficient at the line and from 2 so his TS% is actually well above average. Then again, only 3 games.calumnus said:concernedparent said:He just really can't be the go-to-guy. I think if he was the 4th or 5th option (which he will be when the team gets healthier) he could put up average to slightly below average TS%/eFG% with a 2:1 T/A ratio, which is not nothing for a team that desperately needs another PG.calumnus said:concernedparent said:He has a confident handle and I think he can play with good patience in picking his spots if he's not asked to be a scorer. I trust the coaches when say they say he's a much better floor general in practice than what he's shown so far. That being said, the modern game needs a PG that can penetrate and shoot.calumnus said:concernedparent said:Despite being a highly rated prep, he's kind of a non-athlete. His game is skill based.oskidunker said:KoreAmBear said:Nothing yet.JimSox said:KoreAmBear said:
Saw an X post, Celestine back for Butler.
Askew?
Askew Slows the game down . Not sure why. He is not as quick or dynamic asKennedy.
What do you see as his primary skills?
Yeah, just at Cal Askew has a 3.8 to 3.6 assist to TO ratio and is shooting .377 including only .282 on 3s. His numbers this year, last year and at his previous stops are similar. His defensive box score is negative.
Yeah, last season was a disaster in that regard as he lead the team in shots per possession and shots per minute but do you think he thinks he is this go-to-guy this season? His shot attempts are way down (#8) but his numbers this year are even worse so far: .375 shooting and only .182 from 3 with a 3.0 to 3.0 TO to Assist ratio with the worst Box Plus Minus (-6.8) of his career and worst on the team of anyone who has played more than 30 minutes. Hopefully it is just a slump and he finds his role.
Definitely glad Kennedy is healthy and is living up to the reports. Will be great if he can go 35 every night. Hopefully Askew or someone else becomes a steady back-up.
I'm not saying he's a good player, but I think he can give us more than he's showed so far here.
concernedparent said:I'm not ready to draw any conclusions from 3 games. D/O BPM is a pretty worthless stat for 3 games. 18% from 3 looks bad but he's only shot it 11 times. He's been very efficient at the line and from 2 so his TS% is actually well above average. Then again, only 3 games.calumnus said:concernedparent said:He just really can't be the go-to-guy. I think if he was the 4th or 5th option (which he will be when the team gets healthier) he could put up average to slightly below average TS%/eFG% with a 2:1 T/A ratio, which is not nothing for a team that desperately needs another PG.calumnus said:concernedparent said:He has a confident handle and I think he can play with good patience in picking his spots if he's not asked to be a scorer. I trust the coaches when say they say he's a much better floor general in practice than what he's shown so far. That being said, the modern game needs a PG that can penetrate and shoot.calumnus said:concernedparent said:Despite being a highly rated prep, he's kind of a non-athlete. His game is skill based.oskidunker said:KoreAmBear said:Nothing yet.JimSox said:KoreAmBear said:
Saw an X post, Celestine back for Butler.
Askew?
Askew Slows the game down . Not sure why. He is not as quick or dynamic asKennedy.
What do you see as his primary skills?
Yeah, just at Cal Askew has a 3.8 to 3.6 assist to TO ratio and is shooting .377 including only .282 on 3s. His numbers this year, last year and at his previous stops are similar. His defensive box score is negative.
Yeah, last season was a disaster in that regard as he lead the team in shots per possession and shots per minute but do you think he thinks he is this go-to-guy this season? His shot attempts are way down (#8) but his numbers this year are even worse so far: .375 shooting and only .182 from 3 with a 3.0 to 3.0 TO to Assist ratio with the worst Box Plus Minus (-6.8) of his career and worst on the team of anyone who has played more than 30 minutes. Hopefully it is just a slump and he finds his role.
Definitely glad Kennedy is healthy and is living up to the reports. Will be great if he can go 35 every night. Hopefully Askew or someone else becomes a steady back-up.
I'm not saying he's a good player, but I think he can give us more than he's showed so far here.
Yeah, it is why I originally included his last year stats, but you are right, it is just three games into his new (old) more limited role. All we need is a steady backup to Kennedy. Bring the ball up and initiate the offense. Eliminate the turnovers. Take and make shots when left wide open. Drive the key if they leave that open. Play good defense (maybe switch with Cone depending on matchups). Play in control. Don't try to do too much.
KoreAmBear said:
Saw an X post, Celestine back for Butler.
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Tyson palms the ball even more. He has mastered many of the techniques. A poor man's version of Kevin Durant, who could palm it and carry it behind his hip, to where it would almost disappear, and then all of a sudden, the ball appears again as he blows by his defender for a layup or a dunk.HearstMining said:I've observed that Askew palms the ball even when he doesn't need to. Palming is useful in order to change direction, but if you're going straight, it takes longer than bouncing the ball with your hand on top of it. Try it. He's not blazing fast anyway, and I think his dribbling technique slows him down even further.oskidunker said:KoreAmBear said:Nothing yet.JimSox said:KoreAmBear said:
Saw an X post, Celestine back for Butler.
Askew?
Askew Slows the game down . Not sure why. He is not as quick or dynamic asKennedy.
SFCityBear
Isn't Celestine gone? He seems to have been around Cal forever.KoreAmBear said:Thing about this roster, it is built to win now. So hopefully we continue to gel. Santa Clara was promising.calumnus said:concernedparent said:He just really can't be the go-to-guy. I think if he was the 4th or 5th option (which he will be when the team gets healthier) he could put up average to slightly below average TS%/eFG% with a 2:1 T/A ratio, which is not nothing for a team that desperately needs another PG.calumnus said:concernedparent said:He has a confident handle and I think he can play with good patience in picking his spots if he's not asked to be a scorer. I trust the coaches when say they say he's a much better floor general in practice than what he's shown so far. That being said, the modern game needs a PG that can penetrate and shoot.calumnus said:concernedparent said:Despite being a highly rated prep, he's kind of a non-athlete. His game is skill based.oskidunker said:KoreAmBear said:Nothing yet.JimSox said:KoreAmBear said:
Saw an X post, Celestine back for Butler.
Askew?
Askew Slows the game down . Not sure why. He is not as quick or dynamic asKennedy.
What do you see as his primary skills?
Yeah, just at Cal Askew has a 3.8 to 3.6 assist to TO ratio and is shooting .377 including only .282 on 3s. His numbers this year, last year and at his previous stops are similar. His defensive box score is negative.
Yeah, last season was a disaster in that regard as he lead the team in shots per possession and shots per minute but do you think he thinks he is this go-to-guy this season? His shot attempts are way down (#8) but his numbers this year are even worse so far: .375 shooting and only .182 from 3 with a 3.0 to 3.0 TO to Assist ratio with the worst Box Plus Minus (-6.8) of his career and worst on the team of anyone who has played more than 30 minutes. Hopefully it is just a slump and he finds his role.
Definitely glad Kennedy is healthy and is living up to the reports. Will be great if he can go 35 every night. Hopefully Askew or someone else becomes a steady back-up.
Who is gone after this season: Fardaws, Cone, Kennedy. Three starters. Anyone else? We def need to recruit a center and a PF.
SFCityBear
He is a redshirt junior, I believe out due to injuries two separate seasons. Askew is a senior, but I believe he has another year of eligibility? What's cool is I thought Larson was a grad transfer (like Grant Mullin and Dwight Tarwater), but he is only a redshirt sophomore. Really like the energy he brings.SFCityBear said:Isn't Celestine gone? He seems to have been around Cal forever.KoreAmBear said:Thing about this roster, it is built to win now. So hopefully we continue to gel. Santa Clara was promising.calumnus said:concernedparent said:He just really can't be the go-to-guy. I think if he was the 4th or 5th option (which he will be when the team gets healthier) he could put up average to slightly below average TS%/eFG% with a 2:1 T/A ratio, which is not nothing for a team that desperately needs another PG.calumnus said:concernedparent said:He has a confident handle and I think he can play with good patience in picking his spots if he's not asked to be a scorer. I trust the coaches when say they say he's a much better floor general in practice than what he's shown so far. That being said, the modern game needs a PG that can penetrate and shoot.calumnus said:concernedparent said:Despite being a highly rated prep, he's kind of a non-athlete. His game is skill based.oskidunker said:KoreAmBear said:Nothing yet.JimSox said:KoreAmBear said:
Saw an X post, Celestine back for Butler.
Askew?
Askew Slows the game down . Not sure why. He is not as quick or dynamic asKennedy.
What do you see as his primary skills?
Yeah, just at Cal Askew has a 3.8 to 3.6 assist to TO ratio and is shooting .377 including only .282 on 3s. His numbers this year, last year and at his previous stops are similar. His defensive box score is negative.
Yeah, last season was a disaster in that regard as he lead the team in shots per possession and shots per minute but do you think he thinks he is this go-to-guy this season? His shot attempts are way down (#8) but his numbers this year are even worse so far: .375 shooting and only .182 from 3 with a 3.0 to 3.0 TO to Assist ratio with the worst Box Plus Minus (-6.8) of his career and worst on the team of anyone who has played more than 30 minutes. Hopefully it is just a slump and he finds his role.
Definitely glad Kennedy is healthy and is living up to the reports. Will be great if he can go 35 every night. Hopefully Askew or someone else becomes a steady back-up.
Who is gone after this season: Fardaws, Cone, Kennedy. Three starters. Anyone else? We def need to recruit a center and a PF.
I like Larson, too. I have been pleasantly surprised at his play,...he can handle the ball pretty confidently, can hit the 3 (his shot looks good), is pretty quick for his size, has good energy every time he plays, has decent moves when he gets a rebound or pass inside (although we still don't pass to the big guys well) and can pass well.
Is Askew our only true point guard? Every listing just shows G for all guards. Would be nice to know who is a natural 1 and if we've been missing anything.
My answer would be yes. He's the only guard we have who has all the PG skills, and could probably get 8 or 9 assists if he was not guarded well. I don't know if he want to pass more or shoot more himself, as there have been a number of games where I felt he called his number too often. Of course that could have been following directions from his coach, and not his decision. And last season he did not have good coaching. The best point guards have an instinct where every player on the floor is, and they choose which one has the best chance of scoring, and get that person the ball.bearsandgiants said:
Is Askew our only true point guard? Every listing just shows G for all guards. Would be nice to know who is a natural 1 and if we've been missing anything.
For me, I don't thinks Askew plays fast enough for the modern game. He makes good passes in the fast break, but he also seems to like bringing the ball up the floor slowly most of the time, sizing up the defense and his teammates' positioning. I think the game goes too quickly for him now. He is a gamer, though, and gives his team everything he's got, to the point of risking injury. He is not a good shot, but he has a few nights where he is. There is a lot to like about his heart and skills. He'd be a decent PG on a team with lots of scorers and a good coach, which is why I think he could be good this year, as opposed to last year, when he did not have much in the way of proven scorers on the floor with him, and he did not have good coaching.
SFCityBear
The fact that this year Askew has better talent around him leads me to believe (and I apologize for such a simpleton theory), that this year when he gets back the minutes that Madsen gives him will vary from game to game based on his effectiveness. Most of us agree, he has a point guard mentality which can be very useful, but he tends to be a step slow, so his value will probably vary from game to game based on how he matches up with guards of the opposing team on any given night.
bearsandgiants said:
Is Askew our only true point guard? Every listing just shows G for all guards. Would be nice to know who is a natural 1 and if we've been missing anything.
Pavlovic is probably a true point guard. I'm not sure I would call Askew a true point guard, but I'm willing to let him convince me, when he comes back. I'd like to see more assists from him.
CyBear77 said:
I like Larson, too. I have been pleasantly surprised at his play,...he can handle the ball pretty confidently, can hit the 3 (his shot looks good), is pretty quick for his size, has good energy every time he plays, has decent moves when he gets a rebound or pass inside (although we still don't pass to the big guys well) and can pass well.
Larson is definitely better overall than I was expecting!
Big C said:bearsandgiants said:
Is Askew our only true point guard? Every listing just shows G for all guards. Would be nice to know who is a natural 1 and if we've been missing anything.
Pavlovic is probably a true point guard. I'm not sure I would call Askew a true point guard, but I'm willing to let him convince me, when he comes back. I'd like to see more assists from him.
Yeah, Pavlovic and Robinson are probably the "pure" point guards, just not at this point good enough in Madsen's eyes to get significant minutes.
I do stand corrected on Kennedy as I only saw the Santa Clara highlights on YouTube, and that, with his team leading 4 assists on zero turnovers while scoring only 10 points lead me to an erroneous conclusion. He does have the most assists per 100 possessions (6.9) on the team, which is remarkable for a guy NOT playing the point and playing his first game with this team. Hopefully not an anomaly.
Whatever we did against Santa Clara, looking forward to seeing more of it.
No offense to Pavlovic, but at this stage a "true point guard" cannot be effective with an outside shot that looks like his.Big C said:bearsandgiants said:
Is Askew our only true point guard? Every listing just shows G for all guards. Would be nice to know who is a natural 1 and if we've been missing anything.
Pavlovic is probably a true point guard. I'm not sure I would call Askew a true point guard, but I'm willing to let him convince me, when he comes back. I'd like to see more assists from him.
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