Based on Sports Reference Rating system:

1. 59-60 Newell 28-2 Lost Final
2. 96-97 Braun 23-9 5 seed Sweet 16 loss to #1 UNC
3. 09-10 Montgomery 24-11 8 seed second round loss.
4. 58-59 Newell 25-4 won NCAA Final
5. 15-16 Martin 23-11 4 seed 1st round loss
6. 00-01 Braun 20-11 8 seed 1st round loss
7. 93-94 Bozeman 22-8 5 seed 1st round loss
8. 11-12 Montgomery 24-10 12 seed 1st round loss
9. 08-09 Montgomery 22-11 7 seed 1st round loss
10. 01-02 Braun 23-9 6 seed 2nd round loss

That 93-94 team (fully healthy) was probably the most talented. But if I remember, both grigsby and stevie Johnson got hurt. And duck, Michael Stewart and anwar were all freshman. That team just didn't have the depth.

RedlessWardrobe said:

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The interesting thing about that list is it based solely on results.
Talent wise, the Ridgle,CJ,Chenier,Truitt,Coughran team was probably just as good as any of those listed.

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Absolutely but Padgett couldn't coach his way out of a wet paper bag (very similar to MFer)

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That 93-94 team (fully healthy) was probably the most talented. But if I remember, both grigsby and stevie Johnson got hurt. And duck, Michael Stewart and anwar were all freshman. That team just didn't have the depth.

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I'll take 92-93 because Kidd/Murray led Bears beat Bobby Hurley/Coach K.
93-94 still Kidd/Murray led but with the taint of loss to Wisconsin-Green Bay in Round 1. Kidd played his heart out but Murray tanked, later admitting that he, "just couldn't get up for that competition."

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Wonder how far that 97 team could have gone with Ed Gray healthy.

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Featuring my favorite Cal offensive player since I bought season tics in 1987. Tyson is 2nd O favorite. Favorite player: J Kidd

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ducky23 said:

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That 93-94 team (fully healthy) was probably the most talented. But if I remember, both grigsby and stevie Johnson got hurt. And duck, Michael Stewart and anwar were all freshman. That team just didn't have the depth.

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I'll take 92-93 because Kidd/Murray led Bears beat Bobby Hurley/Coach K.
93-94 still Kidd/Murray led but with the taint of loss to Wisconsin-Green Bay in Round 1. Kidd played his heart out but Murray tanked, later admitting that he, "just couldn't get up for that competition."

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I forget what sort of structured offense/defense WGB was running, but Bozeman had absolutely no idea how to deal with it and, it being the first round, we had a few days to prepare, right? Sad way for Kidd to finish up as a Bear.

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That 93-94 team (fully healthy) was probably the most talented. But if I remember, both grigsby and stevie Johnson got hurt. And duck, Michael Stewart and anwar were all freshman. That team just didn't have the depth.

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I'll take 92-93 because Kidd/Murray led Bears beat Bobby Hurley/Coach K.
93-94 still Kidd/Murray led but with the taint of loss to Wisconsin-Green Bay in Round 1. Kidd played his heart out but Murray tanked, later admitting that he, "just couldn't get up for that competition."

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I forget what sort of structured offense/defense WGB was running, but Bozeman had absolutely no idea how to deal with it and, it being the first round, we had a few days to prepare, right? Sad way for Kidd to finish up as a Bear.

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Dick Bennett was their coach and he was famous for his "pack line" defense "a gap defense that clogs up potential driving lanes and prevents ball handlers from getting to the paint" ie perfect for stopping Kidd and Murray. GB played tough/rough defense and had 2 future NBA forwards who gave Murray and Buckley fits. With the driving lanes "clogged" we shot threes and were just 2 of 19 from 3, or we still drove and were fouled, shooting 17 of 24 from the line and lost 57-61.

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That 93-94 team (fully healthy) was probably the most talented. But if I remember, both grigsby and stevie Johnson got hurt. And duck, Michael Stewart and anwar were all freshman. That team just didn't have the depth.

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I'll take 92-93 because Kidd/Murray led Bears beat Bobby Hurley/Coach K.
93-94 still Kidd/Murray led but with the taint of loss to Wisconsin-Green Bay in Round 1. Kidd played his heart out but Murray tanked, later admitting that he, "just couldn't get up for that competition."

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I forget what sort of structured offense/defense WGB was running, but Bozeman had absolutely no idea how to deal with it and, it being the first round, we had a few days to prepare, right? Sad way for Kidd to finish up as a Bear.

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They played the Princeton Offence like DLS played under Frank Allocco his entire reign. Leon Powe said playing DLS would put you to sleep….but DLS whooped Tech. DLS games had scores like CYO games, often in the 40's. My son played in that system for two years (freshman/JV). Joe Montana's son, Nick, played on the freshman team with my son.

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That 93-94 team (fully healthy) was probably the most talented. But if I remember, both grigsby and stevie Johnson got hurt. And duck, Michael Stewart and anwar were all freshman. That team just didn't have the depth.

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I'll take 92-93 because Kidd/Murray led Bears beat Bobby Hurley/Coach K.
93-94 still Kidd/Murray led but with the taint of loss to Wisconsin-Green Bay in Round 1. Kidd played his heart out but Murray tanked, later admitting that he, "just couldn't get up for that competition."

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I forget what sort of structured offense/defense WGB was running, but Bozeman had absolutely no idea how to deal with it and, it being the first round, we had a few days to prepare, right? Sad way for Kidd to finish up as a Bear.

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Bozeman wasn't a great X's and O's guy.

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RedlessWardrobe said:

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The interesting thing about that list is it based solely on results.
Talent wise, the Ridgle,CJ,Chenier,Truitt,Coughran team was probably just as good as any of those listed.

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Absolutely but Padgett couldn't coach his way out of a wet paper bag (very similar to MFer)

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More like Jones. Padgett got along with the players but had no idea what they were doing.

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Big C said:

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ducky23 said:

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That 93-94 team (fully healthy) was probably the most talented. But if I remember, both grigsby and stevie Johnson got hurt. And duck, Michael Stewart and anwar were all freshman. That team just didn't have the depth.

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I'll take 92-93 because Kidd/Murray led Bears beat Bobby Hurley/Coach K.
93-94 still Kidd/Murray led but with the taint of loss to Wisconsin-Green Bay in Round 1. Kidd played his heart out but Murray tanked, later admitting that he, "just couldn't get up for that competition."

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I forget what sort of structured offense/defense WGB was running, but Bozeman had absolutely no idea how to deal with it and, it being the first round, we had a few days to prepare, right? Sad way for Kidd to finish up as a Bear.

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Bozeman wasn't a great X's and O's guy.

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His improvement over Campanelli was simply recognizing he had Jason Kidd at PG and not trying to control the game with his X and O brilliance. I still remember Campy screaming at and benching KJ after a steal and breakaway layup.

With Bozeman we had a great 98-93 OT victory over Lute Olson's Final Four Arizona team at McKale.

GB just fouled us every time we drove to the hoop and we were only 2 of 19 from 3. With all the fouling on us we got to the line where we were 17 of 24. They just turned it into an ugly, brutal, low scoring game forcing Kidd and Murray into three point attempts which they combined for 1 of 14. Kidd with 6 turnovers.

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Wonder how far that 97 team could have gone with Ed Gray healthy.

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When I praised Ed Gray on another thread, there was a poster who replied that the Bears were actually better after he got hurt because he didn't make his teammates better. Oh yeah, right. I think they would have beat North Carolina and possibly made it to the final four.

Totally agree with this: Jackie Ridgle was unstoppable and the CJ + Chenier backcourt was as good as it gets. Also agree that the coaching was sub/par. Unfortunately this team had to contend with a loaded UCLA group.

RedlessWardrobe said:

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The interesting thing about that list is it based solely on results.
Talent wise, the Ridgle,CJ,Chenier,Truitt,Coughran team was probably just as good as any of those listed.

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Can't mention that roster without including Clarence 'Tree' Johnson. May just be nostalgia clouding my memory but didn't he block one of Alcindor's shots? If I'm also remembering correctly, he was a near 7 foot high jumper.

Another memory of that roster was seeing CJ walk into the first day of an upper division math class. I was really impressed, but he left quickly as soon as the instructor started talking

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Wonder how far that 97 team could have gone with Ed Gray healthy.

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When I praised Ed Gray on another thread, there was a poster who replied that the Bears were actually better after he got hurt because he didn't make his teammates better. Oh yeah, right. I think they would have beat North Carolina and possibly made it to the final four.

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In that UNC game the team was crying out for someone to take the offensive reins and match what Antawn Jamison was doing. They just didn't have that guy. Still a really impressive team effort in that tournament (Tony G's finest hour).

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Wonder how far that 97 team could have gone with Ed Gray healthy.

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Final Four. They ran out of gas against NC, and still only lost to them by a few points. That team had a great balance of scorers, distributors, rebounders and defenders. I still think they were better, as a whole roster, than the Kidd-Murray teams.

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Wonder how far that 97 team could have gone with Ed Gray healthy.

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When I praised Ed Gray on another thread, there was a poster who replied that the Bears were actually better after he got hurt because he didn't make his teammates better. Oh yeah, right. I think they would have beat North Carolina and possibly made it to the final four.

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You are misremembering. I said Gray wasn't the best Cal NBA prospect because he didn't make others around him better. I also said Cal was playing its best basketball after his injury. You tried to refute it, but it is pretty obvious. Maybe they go on to beat UNC with Ed Gray. Who knows. But without Cal playing its best basketball of the season after his injury, they may never have got in the position to play UNC for an elite 8 spot.

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RedlessWardrobe said:

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sycasey said:

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Wonder how far that 97 team could have gone with Ed Gray healthy.

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When I praised Ed Gray on another thread, there was a poster who replied that the Bears were actually better after he got hurt because he didn't make his teammates better. Oh yeah, right. I think they would have beat North Carolina and possibly made it to the final four.

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In that UNC game the team was crying out for someone to take the offensive reins and match what Antawn Jamison was doing. They just didn't have that guy. Still a really impressive team effort in that tournament (Tony G's finest hour).

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Like the guy said. having Ed for that game - and his 25ppg scoring average, wouldn't have helped because he wouldn't have made the other Cal guys around him any better.

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Based on Sports Reference Rating system:

1. 59-60 Newell 28-2 Lost Final
2. 96-97 Braun 23-9 5 seed Sweet 16 loss to #1 UNC
3. 09-10 Montgomery 24-11 8 seed second round loss.
4. 58-59 Newell 25-4 won NCAA Final
5. 15-16 Martin 23-11 4 seed 1st round loss
6. 00-01 Braun 20-11 8 seed 1st round loss
7. 93-94 Bozeman 22-8 5 seed 1st round loss
8. 11-12 Montgomery 24-10 12 seed 1st round loss
9. 08-09 Montgomery 22-11 7 seed 1st round loss
10. 01-02 Braun 23-9 6 seed 2nd round loss

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Impressive: We win the NCAAs one year and it's only 4th on the list!!!

Depressive: Half the teams on our Top Ten list didn't win even one single NCAA Tournament game.

Is Ed Gray the only Cal Bear to have his name on the Harlem Globetrotters roster?

All-Time Globetrotters | Harlem Globetrotters


https://www.harlemglobetrotters.com/world-tour/roster/all-time-globetrotters/

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Based on Sports Reference Rating system:

1. 59-60 Newell 28-2 Lost Final
2. 96-97 Braun 23-9 5 seed Sweet 16 loss to #1 UNC
3. 09-10 Montgomery 24-11 8 seed second round loss.
4. 58-59 Newell 25-4 won NCAA Final
5. 15-16 Martin 23-11 4 seed 1st round loss
6. 00-01 Braun 20-11 8 seed 1st round loss
7. 93-94 Bozeman 22-8 5 seed 1st round loss
8. 11-12 Montgomery 24-10 12 seed 1st round loss
9. 08-09 Montgomery 22-11 7 seed 1st round loss
10. 01-02 Braun 23-9 6 seed 2nd round loss

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Impressive: We win the NCAAs one year and it's only 4th on the list!!!

Depressive: Half the teams on our Top Ten list didn't win even one single NCAA Tournament game.

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The rankings count each NCAA game as a single game.

Doing well in the Tournament is often a matter of matchups and luck. Monty's first Final Four run at Stanford was paved by the top seeds in his bracket getting knocked off ahead of them. Otherwise, Monty is a good regular season coach but had a really poor record in the post season. He had a number of highly ranked Stanford teams get knocked off early. I think he won a single NCAA Tournament game while at Cal? And of course everyone knows about the first round disappointments under Bozeman and Martin.

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I think he won a single NCAA Tournament game while at Cal?

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Two: Louisville in 2010, UNLV in 2012

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Is Ed Gray the only Cal Bear to have his name on the Harlem Globetrotters roster?

All-Time Globetrotters | Harlem Globetrotters


https://www.harlemglobetrotters.com/world-tour/roster/all-time-globetrotters/

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I'm pretty sure Solomon hughes played for them briefly

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Is Ed Gray the only Cal Bear to have his name on the Harlem Globetrotters roster?

All-Time Globetrotters | Harlem Globetrotters


https://www.harlemglobetrotters.com/world-tour/roster/all-time-globetrotters/

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I'm pretty sure Solomon hughes played for them briefly

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Yes, he is on the list.

I think Ed pantsed this Washington General.

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Wonder how far that 97 team could have gone with Ed Gray healthy.

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When I praised Ed Gray on another thread, there was a poster who replied that the Bears were actually better after he got hurt because he didn't make his teammates better. Oh yeah, right. I think they would have beat North Carolina and possibly made it to the final four.

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You are misremembering. I said Gray wasn't the best Cal NBA prospect because he didn't make others around him better. I also said Cal was playing its best basketball after his injury. You tried to refute it, but it is pretty obvious. Maybe they go on to beat UNC with Ed Gray. Who knows. But without Cal playing its best basketball of the season after his injury, they may never have got in the position to play UNC for an elite 8 spot.

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My apologies that I mixed and matched the reason for Ed's deficiencies. I shouldn't have done that. But I did point out that without him the Bears lost to a. Furd team they had previously beaten. Unfortunately for all of us, what might have been will never be known for sure.

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Civil Bear said:

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RedlessWardrobe said:

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sycasey said:

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Wonder how far that 97 team could have gone with Ed Gray healthy.

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When I praised Ed Gray on another thread, there was a poster who replied that the Bears were actually better after he got hurt because he didn't make his teammates better. Oh yeah, right. I think they would have beat North Carolina and possibly made it to the final four.

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You are misremembering. I said Gray wasn't the best Cal NBA prospect because he didn't make others around him better. I also said Cal was playing its best basketball after his injury. You tried to refute it, but it is pretty obvious. Maybe they go on to beat UNC with Ed Gray. Who knows. But without Cal playing its best basketball of the season after his injury, they may never have got in the position to play UNC for an elite 8 spot.

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My apologies that I mixed and matched the reason for Ed's deficiencies. I shouldn't have done that. But I did point out that without him the Bears lost to a. Furd team they had previously beaten. Unfortunately for all of us, what might have been will never be known for sure.

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Braun loved playing small

Minutes Per Game ranking that season
1. Duck
2. Gray
3. McGruder
4. Grigsby
5. McQueen
6. Stewart
7. Gonzales
8. Marks
9. Kenyon Jones

We had a GREAT frontline, yet 4 of the 5 getting the most minutes were guards.

Going small, but with Gray as a volume shooter, did not make sense. So Gray getting hurt forced Bozeman to play bigger, with Stewart, Grigsby, Gonzales and Marks all getting more minutes. We could have done that with Gray too.

calumnus said:

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RedlessWardrobe said:

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Civil Bear said:

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RedlessWardrobe said:

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sycasey said:

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Wonder how far that 97 team could have gone with Ed Gray healthy.

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When I praised Ed Gray on another thread, there was a poster who replied that the Bears were actually better after he got hurt because he didn't make his teammates better. Oh yeah, right. I think they would have beat North Carolina and possibly made it to the final four.

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You are misremembering. I said Gray wasn't the best Cal NBA prospect because he didn't make others around him better. I also said Cal was playing its best basketball after his injury. You tried to refute it, but it is pretty obvious. Maybe they go on to beat UNC with Ed Gray. Who knows. But without Cal playing its best basketball of the season after his injury, they may never have got in the position to play UNC for an elite 8 spot.

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My apologies that I mixed and matched the reason for Ed's deficiencies. I shouldn't have done that. But I did point out that without him the Bears lost to a. Furd team they had previously beaten. Unfortunately for all of us, what might have been will never be known for sure.

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Bozeman loved playing small

Minutes Per Game ranking that season
1. Duck
2. Gray
3. McGruder
4. Grigsby
5. McQueen
6. Stewart
7. Gonzales
8. Marks
9. Kenyon Jones

We had a GREAT frontline, yet 4 of the 5 getting the most minutes were guards.

Going small, but with Gray as a volume shooter, did not make sense. So Gray getting hurt forced Bozeman to play bigger, with Stewart, Grigsby, Gonzales and Marks all getting more minutes. We could have done that with Gray too.

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This was with Braun as coach, not Bozeman.

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RedlessWardrobe said:

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sycasey said:

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Wonder how far that 97 team could have gone with Ed Gray healthy.

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When I praised Ed Gray on another thread, there was a poster who replied that the Bears were actually better after he got hurt because he didn't make his teammates better. Oh yeah, right. I think they would have beat North Carolina and possibly made it to the final four.

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You are misremembering. I said Gray wasn't the best Cal NBA prospect because he didn't make others around him better. I also said Cal was playing its best basketball after his injury. You tried to refute it, but it is pretty obvious. Maybe they go on to beat UNC with Ed Gray. Who knows. But without Cal playing its best basketball of the season after his injury, they may never have got in the position to play UNC for an elite 8 spot.

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My apologies that I mixed and matched the reason for Ed's deficiencies. I shouldn't have done that. But I did point out that without him the Bears lost to a. Furd team they had previously beaten. Unfortunately for all of us, what might have been will never be known for sure.

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Bozeman loved playing small

Minutes Per Game ranking that season
1. Duck
2. Gray
3. McGruder
4. Grigsby
5. McQueen
6. Stewart
7. Gonzales
8. Marks
9. Kenyon Jones

We had a GREAT frontline, yet 4 of the 5 getting the most minutes were guards.

Going small, but with Gray as a volume shooter, did not make sense. So Gray getting hurt forced Bozeman to play bigger, with Stewart, Grigsby, Gonzales and Marks all getting more minutes. We could have done that with Gray too.

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Again, this was Braun's team. But since Ed Gray was voted CONFERENCE PLAYER OF THE YEAR,
did it ever occur to you that maybe it was Duck,McGruder, and McQueen that were getting too many minutes at the expense of the bigger guys? I was a big fan of Anwar McQueen, Randy, and Prentice But here I am now using them as a measuring stick to a guy who averaged 25 points per game and was voted the league's POY. Somebody help me' please!

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calumnus said:

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RedlessWardrobe said:

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Civil Bear said:

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RedlessWardrobe said:

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sycasey said:

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Wonder how far that 97 team could have gone with Ed Gray healthy.

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When I praised Ed Gray on another thread, there was a poster who replied that the Bears were actually better after he got hurt because he didn't make his teammates better. Oh yeah, right. I think they would have beat North Carolina and possibly made it to the final four.

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You are misremembering. I said Gray wasn't the best Cal NBA prospect because he didn't make others around him better. I also said Cal was playing its best basketball after his injury. You tried to refute it, but it is pretty obvious. Maybe they go on to beat UNC with Ed Gray. Who knows. But without Cal playing its best basketball of the season after his injury, they may never have got in the position to play UNC for an elite 8 spot.

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My apologies that I mixed and matched the reason for Ed's deficiencies. I shouldn't have done that. But I did point out that without him the Bears lost to a. Furd team they had previously beaten. Unfortunately for all of us, what might have been will never be known for sure.

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Bozeman loved playing small

Minutes Per Game ranking that season
1. Duck
2. Gray
3. McGruder
4. Grigsby
5. McQueen
6. Stewart
7. Gonzales
8. Marks
9. Kenyon Jones

We had a GREAT frontline, yet 4 of the 5 getting the most minutes were guards.

Going small, but with Gray as a volume shooter, did not make sense. So Gray getting hurt forced Bozeman to play bigger, with Stewart, Grigsby, Gonzales and Marks all getting more minutes. We could have done that with Gray too.

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This was with Braun as coach, not Bozeman.

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Yes, I fixed it. Braun constantly loaded his roster with quality bigs, then played small, starting walkons if he had to. His last season was the worst for that.

RedlessWardrobe said:

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calumnus said:

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RedlessWardrobe said:

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Civil Bear said:

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RedlessWardrobe said:

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sycasey said:

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Wonder how far that 97 team could have gone with Ed Gray healthy.

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When I praised Ed Gray on another thread, there was a poster who replied that the Bears were actually better after he got hurt because he didn't make his teammates better. Oh yeah, right. I think they would have beat North Carolina and possibly made it to the final four.

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You are misremembering. I said Gray wasn't the best Cal NBA prospect because he didn't make others around him better. I also said Cal was playing its best basketball after his injury. You tried to refute it, but it is pretty obvious. Maybe they go on to beat UNC with Ed Gray. Who knows. But without Cal playing its best basketball of the season after his injury, they may never have got in the position to play UNC for an elite 8 spot.

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My apologies that I mixed and matched the reason for Ed's deficiencies. I shouldn't have done that. But I did point out that without him the Bears lost to a. Furd team they had previously beaten. Unfortunately for all of us, what might have been will never be known for sure.

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Bozeman loved playing small

Minutes Per Game ranking that season
1. Duck
2. Gray
3. McGruder
4. Grigsby
5. McQueen
6. Stewart
7. Gonzales
8. Marks
9. Kenyon Jones

We had a GREAT frontline, yet 4 of the 5 getting the most minutes were guards.

Going small, but with Gray as a volume shooter, did not make sense. So Gray getting hurt forced Bozeman to play bigger, with Stewart, Grigsby, Gonzales and Marks all getting more minutes. We could have done that with Gray too.

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Again, this was Braun's team. But since Ed Gray was voted CONFERENCE PLAYER OF THE YEAR,
did it ever occur to you that maybe it was Duck,McGruder, and McQueen that were getting too many minutes at the expense of the bigger guys? I was a big fan of Anwar McQueen, Randy, and Prentice But here I am now using them as a measuring stick to a guy who averaged 25 points per game and was voted the league's POY. Somebody help me' please!

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I don't care if he's playing on the '95 Bulls, Randy Duck should always be the minutes per game leader on any team he plays for

RedlessWardrobe said:

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calumnus said:

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RedlessWardrobe said:

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Civil Bear said:

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RedlessWardrobe said:

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sycasey said:

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Wonder how far that 97 team could have gone with Ed Gray healthy.

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When I praised Ed Gray on another thread, there was a poster who replied that the Bears were actually better after he got hurt because he didn't make his teammates better. Oh yeah, right. I think they would have beat North Carolina and possibly made it to the final four.

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You are misremembering. I said Gray wasn't the best Cal NBA prospect because he didn't make others around him better. I also said Cal was playing its best basketball after his injury. You tried to refute it, but it is pretty obvious. Maybe they go on to beat UNC with Ed Gray. Who knows. But without Cal playing its best basketball of the season after his injury, they may never have got in the position to play UNC for an elite 8 spot.

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My apologies that I mixed and matched the reason for Ed's deficiencies. I shouldn't have done that. But I did point out that without him the Bears lost to a. Furd team they had previously beaten. Unfortunately for all of us, what might have been will never be known for sure.

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Bozeman loved playing small

Minutes Per Game ranking that season
1. Duck
2. Gray
3. McGruder
4. Grigsby
5. McQueen
6. Stewart
7. Gonzales
8. Marks
9. Kenyon Jones

We had a GREAT frontline, yet 4 of the 5 getting the most minutes were guards.

Going small, but with Gray as a volume shooter, did not make sense. So Gray getting hurt forced Bozeman to play bigger, with Stewart, Grigsby, Gonzales and Marks all getting more minutes. We could have done that with Gray too.

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Again, this was Braun's team. But since Ed Gray was voted CONFERENCE PLAYER OF THE YEAR,
did it ever occur to you that maybe it was Duck,McGruder, and McQueen that were getting too many minutes at the expense of the bigger guys? I was a big fan of Anwar McQueen, Randy, and Prentice But here I am now using them as a measuring stick to a guy who averaged 25 points per game and was voted the league's POY. Somebody help me' please!

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Yes Braun of course, and that is exactly my point. We could have gone big WITH Gray as one of two guards instead of three. .

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RedlessWardrobe said:

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calumnus said:

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RedlessWardrobe said:

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Civil Bear said:

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RedlessWardrobe said:

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sycasey said:

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Wonder how far that 97 team could have gone with Ed Gray healthy.

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When I praised Ed Gray on another thread, there was a poster who replied that the Bears were actually better after he got hurt because he didn't make his teammates better. Oh yeah, right. I think they would have beat North Carolina and possibly made it to the final four.

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You are misremembering. I said Gray wasn't the best Cal NBA prospect because he didn't make others around him better. I also said Cal was playing its best basketball after his injury. You tried to refute it, but it is pretty obvious. Maybe they go on to beat UNC with Ed Gray. Who knows. But without Cal playing its best basketball of the season after his injury, they may never have got in the position to play UNC for an elite 8 spot.

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My apologies that I mixed and matched the reason for Ed's deficiencies. I shouldn't have done that. But I did point out that without him the Bears lost to a. Furd team they had previously beaten. Unfortunately for all of us, what might have been will never be known for sure.

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Bozeman loved playing small

Minutes Per Game ranking that season
1. Duck
2. Gray
3. McGruder
4. Grigsby
5. McQueen
6. Stewart
7. Gonzales
8. Marks
9. Kenyon Jones

We had a GREAT frontline, yet 4 of the 5 getting the most minutes were guards.

Going small, but with Gray as a volume shooter, did not make sense. So Gray getting hurt forced Bozeman to play bigger, with Stewart, Grigsby, Gonzales and Marks all getting more minutes. We could have done that with Gray too.

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Again, this was Braun's team. But since Ed Gray was voted CONFERENCE PLAYER OF THE YEAR,
did it ever occur to you that maybe it was Duck,McGruder, and McQueen that were getting too many minutes at the expense of the bigger guys? I was a big fan of Anwar McQueen, Randy, and Prentice But here I am now using them as a measuring stick to a guy who averaged 25 points per game and was voted the league's POY. Somebody help me' please!

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I don't care if he's playing on the '95 Bulls, Randy Duck should always be the minutes per game leader on any team he plays for

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Lol, of course. Duck could play point.