What does Cal have to do, including their finish in conference, to get into the NCAA tournament. I don't know the rules and I read somewhere that Cal needs to finish third in coference, though I don't think the rules are that simple. Thanks.
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Win the pac-12 tournament. No other option.
Gobears49 said:
What does Cal have to do, including their finish in conference, to get into the NCAA tournament. I don't know the rules and I read somewhere that Cal needs to finish third in coference, though I don't think the rules are that simple. Thanks.
We would have to win the Pac12. Tournament. They are not going to take a team with 15. Loses no matter what else we do.Think nit or Cbi. Win 4-5 left and maybe cbi. I dont think the nit would take us.
Go Bears!
oskidunker said:Gobears49 said:
What does Cal have to do, including their finish in conference, to get into the NCAA tournament. I don't know the rules and I read somewhere that Cal needs to finish third in coference, though I don't think the rules are that simple. Thanks.
We would have to win the Pac12. Tournament. They are not going to take a team with 15. Loses no matter what else we do.Think nit or Cbi. Win 4-5 left and maybe cbi. I dont think the nit would take us.
Ucla losing today might help.
Go Bears!
NCAA would require winning the Pac12 Tournament. NIT/CBI would require a winning record which would require a super hot finish...
I posted this in other thread. We keep winning and we have a shot at NIT.
We don't need a 500 record if we have the top 2 NET ranking after NCAA teams
It's possible we can get there if some Pac12 teams above us are invited to ncaa
"NIT Changes:
For the 2024 NIT, conference regular season champions that do not win their conference tournament or are not otherwise selected to the NCAA Division I Men's Basketball Championship will not receive an automatic bid to the NIT. Instead, the NIT will guarantee two teams (based on the NET rankings) from each of six conferences (Atlantic Coast, Big East, Big Ten, Big 12, Pac-12 and Southeastern). The top two teams in the NET rankings not qualifying for the NCAA men's basketball tournament from each conference, regardless of won-loss record, will be selected. Additionally, the 12 teams automatically selected will be guaranteed the opportunity to host a game in the first round of the NIT. "
We don't need a 500 record if we have the top 2 NET ranking after NCAA teams
It's possible we can get there if some Pac12 teams above us are invited to ncaa
"NIT Changes:
For the 2024 NIT, conference regular season champions that do not win their conference tournament or are not otherwise selected to the NCAA Division I Men's Basketball Championship will not receive an automatic bid to the NIT. Instead, the NIT will guarantee two teams (based on the NET rankings) from each of six conferences (Atlantic Coast, Big East, Big Ten, Big 12, Pac-12 and Southeastern). The top two teams in the NET rankings not qualifying for the NCAA men's basketball tournament from each conference, regardless of won-loss record, will be selected. Additionally, the 12 teams automatically selected will be guaranteed the opportunity to host a game in the first round of the NIT. "
HoopDreams said:
I posted this in other thread. We keep winning and we have a shot at NIT.
We don't need a 500 record if we have the top 2 NET ranking after NCAA teams
It's possible we can get there if some Pac12 teams above us are invited to ncaa
"NIT Changes:
For the 2024 NIT, conference regular season champions that do not win their conference tournament or are not otherwise selected to the NCAA Division I Men's Basketball Championship will not receive an automatic bid to the NIT. Instead, the NIT will guarantee two teams (based on the NET rankings) from each of six conferences (Atlantic Coast, Big East, Big Ten, Big 12, Pac-12 and Southeastern). The top two teams in the NET rankings not qualifying for the NCAA men's basketball tournament from each conference, regardless of won-loss record, will be selected. Additionally, the 12 teams automatically selected will be guaranteed the opportunity to host a game in the first round of the NIT. "
If we keep winning (ie beat Oregon, Colorado and Utah) we might burst their bubbles and send them to the NIT ahead of us.
Still the best to root for is:
1. Cal wins out
2. Arizona and WSU win out
3. Oregon, Colorado and Utah win out except against Cal and get invites to the NCAA
4. OSU wins out except against Cal
Hopefully that would allow us to leapfrog UW, Stanford, UCLA and USC in the PER (or at least three of them).
Not good. Sure seems like we gotta home to win the conference tourney.
HoopDreams said:
I posted this in other thread. We keep winning and we have a shot at NIT.
We don't need a 500 record if we have the top 2 NET ranking after NCAA teams
It's possible we can get there if some Pac12 teams above us are invited to ncaa
Current Pac-12 NET rankings (first number on left).
NIT, not so much, too many teams above us.
3 Arizona Pac-12 20-5
32 Washington St. Pac-12 20-6
41 Colorado Pac-12 17-9
49 Utah Pac-12 16-10
62 Oregon Pac-12 17-8
72 Washington Pac-12 14-12
103 Stanford Pac-12 12-13
105 UCLA Pac-12 13-12
108 Southern California
120 California Pac-12 11-15
135 Arizona St. Pac-12 13-13
173 Oregon St. Pac-12 10-15
If we make the NIT and get a 1st Round game at Haas, do you think Madsen can beat Monty's and Cuonzo's aggregate NIT game attendance?*
* That would require drawing a minimum of 963 fans.
* That would require drawing a minimum of 963 fans.
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Gobears49
Published before yesterday's game versus Oregon St.. We are still in there to finish third in the conference, which could result in Cal getting in. Would love to see an article which agrees with me that Cal still has a shot by finishing third in th Pacr. With four games left in the confernce that would seem to be possible.
https://bleacherreport.com/articles/10109982-ncaa-tournament-2024-stock-watch-for-bubble-teams
Published before yesterday's game versus Oregon St.. We are still in there to finish third in the conference, which could result in Cal getting in. Would love to see an article which agrees with me that Cal still has a shot by finishing third in th Pacr. With four games left in the confernce that would seem to be possible.
https://bleacherreport.com/articles/10109982-ncaa-tournament-2024-stock-watch-for-bubble-teams
Getting an at-large tourney bid is an impossibility at this point, they needed to beat UCLA to have any chance of that. Their NET rating is just too low at this point, even if they were to run the table.Gobears49 said:
Gobears49
Published before yesterday's game versus Oregon St.. We are still in there to finish third in the conference, which could result in Cal getting in. Would love to see an article which agrees with me that Cal still has a shot by finishing third in th Pacr. With four games left in the confernce that would seem to be possible.
https://bleacherreport.com/articles/10109982-ncaa-tournament-2024-stock-watch-for-bubble-teams
I think their best hope is to win 3 of 4, and win some tourney games and possibly sneak into the NIT. I think that will still represent a MAJOR step forward for this program
I'd also like to see an article which agrees with you that Cal still has a shot at an at large bid by finishing third, and then I'd like to know what drugs the author is taking.Gobears49 said:
Gobears49
Published before yesterday's game versus Oregon St.. We are still in there to finish third in the conference, which could result in Cal getting in. Would love to see an article which agrees with me that Cal still has a shot by finishing third in th Pacr. With four games left in the confernce that would seem to be possible.
https://bleacherreport.com/articles/10109982-ncaa-tournament-2024-stock-watch-for-bubble-teams
Conference finish doesn't mean a lot. The committee doesn't take a number of teams per conference, it takes the best 37 teams that don't get an automatic bid. For a team on the bubble, finishing ahead of a team that is squarely in can help, for a team on the bubble, finishing behind a team that is squarely out will hurt, so conference finish does kind of come into play. But beyond that, conference finish doesn't mean a whole lot.
If Cal wins out, finishes in third, and loses in the conference tournament final, would Cal get in? No. Not going to happen, so you can stop dreaming. Cal's OOC performance was simply too bad to be able to make up for it even with a 12-8 conference record and a 2 or 3 win performance in the tourney. It wasn't as bad as last year's OOC performance, but still, with home losses to Montana St., and worse yet, Pacific (with a NET ranking of 355 out of 362, which would be worse if they hadn't defeated Cal), Cal's OOC profile is really bad, and the Bears need better than 12-8 in the weakest or second weakest power conference. While, after yesterday's WSU win over Arizona, Cal has 2 Quad 1 wins, it doesn't really help offset having 6 Quad 3 and 4 losses, including 3 Quad 4 losses, a 3-3 Quad 4 record -- that is really terrible, especially when it includes a home loss to the #355 team. 15 losses wouldn't be a guarantee to be left out, if the strength of schedule was really good, and there were some Quad 1 wins, no Quad 4 losses and virtually no Quad 3 losses? OK, there might be a chance. But 15 losses that include 3 Quad 4 losses and 3 more Quad 3 losses? Nope. Not even if we pick up another few Quad 1 wins by winning out.
If Cal finishes third, it greatly decreases the chances of any bubble teams that finish behind Cal, but other than that, it doesn't make much difference.
Cal8285 said:I'd also like to see an article which agrees with you that Cal still has a shot at an at large bid by finishing third, and then I'd like to know what drugs the author is taking.Gobears49 said:
Gobears49
Published before yesterday's game versus Oregon St.. We are still in there to finish third in the conference, which could result in Cal getting in. Would love to see an article which agrees with me that Cal still has a shot by finishing third in th Pacr. With four games left in the confernce that would seem to be possible.
https://bleacherreport.com/articles/10109982-ncaa-tournament-2024-stock-watch-for-bubble-teams
Conference finish doesn't mean a lot. The committee doesn't take a number of teams per conference, it takes the best 37 teams that don't get an automatic bid. For a team on the bubble, finishing ahead of a team that is squarely in can help, for a team on the bubble, finishing behind a team that is squarely out will hurt, so conference finish does kind of come into play. But beyond that, conference finish doesn't mean a whole lot.
If Cal wins out, finishes in third, and loses in the conference tournament final, would Cal get in? No. Not going to happen, so you can stop dreaming. Cal's OOC performance was simply too bad to be able to make up for it even with a 12-8 conference record and a 2 or 3 win performance in the tourney. It wasn't as bad as last year's OOC performance, but still, with home losses to Montana St., and worse yet, Pacific (with a NET ranking of 355 out of 362, which would be worse if they hadn't defeated Cal), Cal's OOC profile is really bad, and the Bears need better than 12-8 in the weakest or second weakest power conference. While, after yesterday's WSU win over Arizona, Cal has 2 Quad 1 wins, it doesn't really help offset having 6 Quad 3 and 4 losses, including 3 Quad 4 losses, a 3-3 Quad 4 record -- that is really terrible, especially when it includes a home loss to the #355 team. 15 losses wouldn't be a guarantee to be left out, if the strength of schedule was really good, and there were some Quad 1 wins, no Quad 4 losses and virtually no Quad 3 losses? OK, there might be a chance. But 15 losses that include 3 Quad 4 losses and 3 more Quad 3 losses? Nope. Not even if we pick up another few Quad 1 wins by winning out.
If Cal finishes third, it greatly decreases the chances of any bubble teams that finish behind Cal, but other than that, it doesn't make much difference.
Exactly. Given our bad OOC losses, when we entered PAC-12 play our main role in this final season was going to be spoiler.
Our options are: 1) win the PAC-12 Tournament and go to the NCAA Tournament as the auto-bid or 2) get above .500 and hope for an invite to the CIT.
We will not go to the NCAA Tournament as an at large and we will not go to the NIT.
At the beginning of the year we were picked to finish in the basement, so we are doing vastly better than that, a few conference teams will be looking up at us in the standings after the season is over.
Bingo. If we finish 3rd by sweeping the Mountain schools, those 2 will have their bubble burst, as losing to Cal woudl be a Quad 3 loss at home, and they will be looking for teh NIT. Meanwhile, the Pac gets two bids, barring an upset in the tourney.Cal8285 said:I'd also like to see an article which agrees with you that Cal still has a shot at an at large bid by finishing third, and then I'd like to know what drugs the author is taking.Gobears49 said:
Gobears49
Published before yesterday's game versus Oregon St.. We are still in there to finish third in the conference, which could result in Cal getting in. Would love to see an article which agrees with me that Cal still has a shot by finishing third in th Pacr. With four games left in the confernce that would seem to be possible.
https://bleacherreport.com/articles/10109982-ncaa-tournament-2024-stock-watch-for-bubble-teams
Conference finish doesn't mean a lot. The committee doesn't take a number of teams per conference, it takes the best 37 teams that don't get an automatic bid. For a team on the bubble, finishing ahead of a team that is squarely in can help, for a team on the bubble, finishing behind a team that is squarely out will hurt, so conference finish does kind of come into play. But beyond that, conference finish doesn't mean a whole lot.
If Cal wins out, finishes in third, and loses in the conference tournament final, would Cal get in? No. Not going to happen, so you can stop dreaming. Cal's OOC performance was simply too bad to be able to make up for it even with a 12-8 conference record and a 2 or 3 win performance in the tourney. It wasn't as bad as last year's OOC performance, but still, with home losses to Montana St., and worse yet, Pacific (with a NET ranking of 355 out of 362, which would be worse if they hadn't defeated Cal), Cal's OOC profile is really bad, and the Bears need better than 12-8 in the weakest or second weakest power conference. While, after yesterday's WSU win over Arizona, Cal has 2 Quad 1 wins, it doesn't really help offset having 6 Quad 3 and 4 losses, including 3 Quad 4 losses, a 3-3 Quad 4 record -- that is really terrible, especially when it includes a home loss to the #355 team. 15 losses wouldn't be a guarantee to be left out, if the strength of schedule was really good, and there were some Quad 1 wins, no Quad 4 losses and virtually no Quad 3 losses? OK, there might be a chance. But 15 losses that include 3 Quad 4 losses and 3 more Quad 3 losses? Nope. Not even if we pick up another few Quad 1 wins by winning out.
If Cal finishes third, it greatly decreases the chances of any bubble teams that finish behind Cal, but other than that, it doesn't make much difference.
So if we finish 2nd in the Pac 12 tournet but 3rd or fourth for the season and our overall record is not that good we would not go dancing? Makes total sense to me but I am asking for a confirmation.oskidunker said:Gobears49 said:
What does Cal have to do, including their finish in conference, to get into the NCAA tournament. I don't know the rules and I read somewhere that Cal needs to finish third in coference, though I don't think the rules are that simple. Thanks.
We would have to win the Pac12. Tournament. They are not going to take a team with 15. Loses no matter what else we do.Think nit or Cbi. Win 4-5 left and maybe cbi. I dont think the nit would take us.
Gobears49 said:So if we finish 2nd in the Pac 12 tournet but 3rd or fourth for the season and our overall record is not that good we would not go dancing? Makes total sense to me but I am asking for a confirmation.oskidunker said:Gobears49 said:
What does Cal have to do, including their finish in conference, to get into the NCAA tournament. I don't know the rules and I read somewhere that Cal needs to finish third in coference, though I don't think the rules are that simple. Thanks.
We would have to win the Pac12. Tournament. They are not going to take a team with 15. Loses no matter what else we do.Think nit or Cbi. Win 4-5 left and maybe cbi. I dont think the nit would take us.
Hon, give it up. Just enjoy the rest of the season
correct.Gobears49 said:So if we finish 2nd in the Pac 12 tournet but 3rd or fourth for the season and our overall record is not that good we would not go dancing? Makes total sense to me but I am asking for a confirmation.oskidunker said:Gobears49 said:
What does Cal have to do, including their finish in conference, to get into the NCAA tournament. I don't know the rules and I read somewhere that Cal needs to finish third in coference, though I don't think the rules are that simple. Thanks.
We would have to win the Pac12. Tournament. They are not going to take a team with 15. Loses no matter what else we do.Think nit or Cbi. Win 4-5 left and maybe cbi. I dont think the nit would take us.
Nit real long shot. Cbi long shot.
Go Bears!
calumnus said:Cal8285 said:I'd also like to see an article which agrees with you that Cal still has a shot at an at large bid by finishing third, and then I'd like to know what drugs the author is taking.Gobears49 said:
Gobears49
Published before yesterday's game versus Oregon St.. We are still in there to finish third in the conference, which could result in Cal getting in. Would love to see an article which agrees with me that Cal still has a shot by finishing third in th Pacr. With four games left in the confernce that would seem to be possible.
https://bleacherreport.com/articles/10109982-ncaa-tournament-2024-stock-watch-for-bubble-teams
Conference finish doesn't mean a lot. The committee doesn't take a number of teams per conference, it takes the best 37 teams that don't get an automatic bid. For a team on the bubble, finishing ahead of a team that is squarely in can help, for a team on the bubble, finishing behind a team that is squarely out will hurt, so conference finish does kind of come into play. But beyond that, conference finish doesn't mean a whole lot.
If Cal wins out, finishes in third, and loses in the conference tournament final, would Cal get in? No. Not going to happen, so you can stop dreaming. Cal's OOC performance was simply too bad to be able to make up for it even with a 12-8 conference record and a 2 or 3 win performance in the tourney. It wasn't as bad as last year's OOC performance, but still, with home losses to Montana St., and worse yet, Pacific (with a NET ranking of 355 out of 362, which would be worse if they hadn't defeated Cal), Cal's OOC profile is really bad, and the Bears need better than 12-8 in the weakest or second weakest power conference. While, after yesterday's WSU win over Arizona, Cal has 2 Quad 1 wins, it doesn't really help offset having 6 Quad 3 and 4 losses, including 3 Quad 4 losses, a 3-3 Quad 4 record -- that is really terrible, especially when it includes a home loss to the #355 team. 15 losses wouldn't be a guarantee to be left out, if the strength of schedule was really good, and there were some Quad 1 wins, no Quad 4 losses and virtually no Quad 3 losses? OK, there might be a chance. But 15 losses that include 3 Quad 4 losses and 3 more Quad 3 losses? Nope. Not even if we pick up another few Quad 1 wins by winning out.
If Cal finishes third, it greatly decreases the chances of any bubble teams that finish behind Cal, but other than that, it doesn't make much difference.
Exactly. Given our bad OOC losses, when we entered PAC-12 play our main role in this final season was going to be spoiler.
Our options are: 1) win the PAC-12 Tournament and go to the NCAA Tournament as the auto-bid or 2) get above .500 and hope for an invite to the CIT.
We will not go to the NCAA Tournament as an at large and we will not go to the NIT.
Bigger picture: Since it looks like many of our best players for next season are once again going to be portal guys, I wonder what sort of plan Madsen has to bring them up to speed faster. In other words, what has the staff learned from the season-sinker that was last November-December?
We should have a number of returnees with experience playing together in Madsen's system. I'm talking about Brown, Curtis, Newell, Okafor, Larson, Celestine, and Pavlovic. I think that will raise the floor enough to avoid horrendous early losses as our new players adapt.Quote:
Bigger picture: Since it looks like many of our best players for next season are once again going to be portal guys, I wonder what sort of plan Madsen has to bring them up to speed faster. In other words, what has the staff learned from the season-sinker that was last November-December?
stu said:We should have a number of returnees with experience playing together in Madsen's system. I'm talking about Brown, Curtis, Newell, Okafor, Larson, Celestine, and Pavlovic. I think that will raise the floor enough to avoid horrendous early losses as our new players adapt.Quote:
Bigger picture: Since it looks like many of our best players for next season are once again going to be portal guys, I wonder what sort of plan Madsen has to bring them up to speed faster. In other words, what has the staff learned from the season-sinker that was last November-December?
Agreed. It remains to be seen if we will end up as good as this team, but we will start out better. Wildcard is the ACC which has a lot of teams as good or better.
Cal's chances are Slim to none and Slim just took the last…..
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Not sure I agree but probably you are correct. Hear is who was taken in the 2023 NIT. Seems a few Pac 12 teams got ijn. 2023 CBI is also available. I don't think any Pac `12 team was selected for it.but Cal might be able to squeek in if they finish second in the Pac 12 tourney.oskidunker said:Gobears49 said:
What does Cal have to do, including their finish in conference, to get into the NCAA tournament. I don't know the rules and I read somewhere that Cal needs to finish third in coference, though I don't think the rules are that simple. Thanks.
We would have to win the Pac12. Tournament. They are not going to take a team with 15. Loses no matter what else we do.Think nit or Cbi. Win 4-5 left and maybe cbi. I dont think the nit would take us.
https://www.si.com/college/virginia/basketball/complete-2023-national-invitation-tournament-bracket
When we win the pac12 tourney, will be a 12 seed?
bearsandgiants said:
When we win the pac12 tourney, will be a 12 seed?
Play in game likely
Go Bears!
oskidunker said:bearsandgiants said:
When we win the pac12 tourney, will be a 12 seed?
Play in game likely
I could be wrong about this, but I think play in is only for at large teams
Really liked your answer, thoughy others were similar, but not quite as good as yours (more complete). I think it would be fair to allow some "new coach leeway" to givve a team some room ot adjust their poor confefrence record if compiled by a new confdrence coach. JUST KIDDING!!!!!!!Big Dog said:Bingo. If we finish 3rd by sweeping the Mountain schools, those 2 will have their bubble burst, as losing to Cal woudl be a Quad 3 loss at home, and they will be looking for teh NIT. Meanwhile, the Pac gets two bids, barring an upset in the tourney.Cal8285 said:I'd also like to see an article which agrees with you that Cal still has a shot at an at large bid by finishing third, and then I'd like to know what drugs the author is taking.Gobears49 said:
Gobears49
Published before yesterday's game versus Oregon St.. We are still in there to finish third in the conference, which could result in Cal getting in. Would love to see an article which agrees with me that Cal still has a shot by finishing third in th Pacr. With four games left in the confernce that would seem to be possible.
https://bleacherreport.com/articles/10109982-ncaa-tournament-2024-stock-watch-for-bubble-teams
Conference finish doesn't mean a lot. The committee doesn't take a number of teams per conference, it takes the best 37 teams that don't get an automatic bid. For a team on the bubble, finishing ahead of a team that is squarely in can help, for a team on the bubble, finishing behind a team that is squarely out will hurt, so conference finish does kind of come into play. But beyond that, conference finish doesn't mean a whole lot.
If Cal wins out, finishes in third, and loses in the conference tournament final, would Cal get in? No. Not going to happen, so you can stop dreaming. Cal's OOC performance was simply too bad to be able to make up for it even with a 12-8 conference record and a 2 or 3 win performance in the tourney. It wasn't as bad as last year's OOC performance, but still, with home losses to Montana St., and worse yet, Pacific (with a NET ranking of 355 out of 362, which would be worse if they hadn't defeated Cal), Cal's OOC profile is really bad, and the Bears need better than 12-8 in the weakest or second weakest power conference. While, after yesterday's WSU win over Arizona, Cal has 2 Quad 1 wins, it doesn't really help offset having 6 Quad 3 and 4 losses, including 3 Quad 4 losses, a 3-3 Quad 4 record -- that is really terrible, especially when it includes a home loss to the #355 team. 15 losses wouldn't be a guarantee to be left out, if the strength of schedule was really good, and there were some Quad 1 wins, no Quad 4 losses and virtually no Quad 3 losses? OK, there might be a chance. But 15 losses that include 3 Quad 4 losses and 3 more Quad 3 losses? Nope. Not even if we pick up another few Quad 1 wins by winning out.
If Cal finishes third, it greatly decreases the chances of any bubble teams that finish behind Cal, but other than that, it doesn't make much difference.
Wouldn't it be great if this turned out to be an issue!ducky23 said:oskidunker said:bearsandgiants said:
When we win the pac12 tourney, will be a 12 seed?
Play in game likely
I could be wrong about this, but I think play in is only for at large teams
In its current format, the First Four consists of eight teams: the four lowest-seeded automatic qualifiers and the four lowest-seeded at-large teams.ducky23 said:oskidunker said:bearsandgiants said:
When we win the pac12 tourney, will be a 12 seed?
Play in game likely
I could be wrong about this, but I think play in is only for at large teams
Civil Bear said:In its current format, the First Four consists of eight teams: the four lowest-seeded automatic qualifiers and the four lowest-seeded at-large teams.ducky23 said:oskidunker said:bearsandgiants said:
When we win the pac12 tourney, will be a 12 seed?
Play in game likely
I could be wrong about this, but I think play in is only for at large teams
If we win the PAC-12 Tournament there will definitely be four lower seeded automatic qualifiers than us. My guess is we would end up a 14 seed.
Civil Bear said:In its current format, the First Four consists of eight teams: the four lowest-seeded automatic qualifiers and the four lowest-seeded at-large teams.ducky23 said:oskidunker said:bearsandgiants said:
When we win the pac12 tourney, will be a 12 seed?
Play in game likely
I could be wrong about this, but I think play in is only for at large teams
I didn't even think of that….but yeah….we would obviously not be in the 16 seed play in. That would be slightly embarrassing
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