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Shocky

Grant got good hair

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Copying Princess Leia?

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> Attendance today? More than Thursday. Five-six thousand? Anyway, fun season. I made it to every home game.

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congrats. box score says 6105
> https://calbears.com/sports/mens-basketball/stats/2023-24/oregon/boxscore/35901

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So it took an entire season. But they finally figured out to pass out the balloons to the students behind the basket and not on the sidelines.

#1 school in the world. We figure **** out eventually

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The people who figure **** out eventually aren't Cal people. The problem is Cal people hired them.

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What "Cal people" hired them?

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ducky23 said:

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So it took an entire season. But they finally figured out to pass out the balloons to the students behind the basket and not on the sidelines.

#1 school in the world. We figure **** out eventually

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The people who figure **** out eventually aren't Cal people. The problem is Cal people hired them.

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What "Cal people" hired them?

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Chancellor? Whoever hires the A.D.

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Cal with the current longest winning streak in the pac-12.

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Season best 3rd straight win for @CalMBBall is their 1st win at home vs Oregon since 2016. @madsen_mark effect is real!

-@jaylontyson & @J15Cone combine for 42pts in 73mins with ZERO turnovers
-Ducks go 7-30FG in the 2nd
-1st sweep of the Oregon schools since 2015-16#GoBears

— Justin Allegri (@JustinAllegri) February 25, 2024

Effort.
Energy.
Momentum.#GoBears pic.twitter.com/HVTydLdj9t

— Cal Basketball (@CalMBBall) February 25, 2024

Cal Flex.

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calumnus said:

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calumnus said:

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ducky23 said:

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So it took an entire season. But they finally figured out to pass out the balloons to the students behind the basket and not on the sidelines.

#1 school in the world. We figure **** out eventually

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The people who figure **** out eventually aren't Cal people. The problem is Cal people hired them.

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What "Cal people" hired them?

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Chancellor? Whoever hires the A.D.

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It has been about 70 years since the chancellor was a Cal person (alum). Carol Christ went to a women's college at Rutgers and then got her PhD at Yale. Moreover, her expertise is in Victorian literature and her previous experience in academic bureaucracy was at all-women's Smith College. She was out of her depth in hiring an AD for Cal and chose possibly the worst possible person at the most critical time in our history. We will be lucky if our athletics programs survive them. Literally. These people couldn't figure out how to field a cheerleading squad. They are paid $millions to manage Cal athletics but didn't know Oregon and Washington were lobbying to get into the B1G, something most sports fans in the US and everyone who reads this board knew.

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A key part of this statement is not true. Carol was the EVCP (Executive vice chancellor and provost) at Cal for numerous years before she went to Smith, so she had major bureaucratic experience here. The EVCP has a huge role in the day-to-day running of the university. Frankly, I think Carol has been a fantastic chancellor at Cal on the academic side. The sportsaholics obviously question her leadership, but she inherited a huge train wreck from Dirks in terms of putting the campus on a sustainable financial footing and that got worse due to the pandemic. Getting that train wreck righted has been her major priority as I think it should be. Unfortunately we are not at all out of the water on the finances, and a significant part of that is the stadium debt on the athletics-side. I think a lot of folks here have blinders on that allows the to only see the sports side of things. I love cal sports too (basketball, really), but having a sustainable and academically great university has to be the highest priority of the university leadership.

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Being a university Chancellor or President is an incredibly complex and challenging job, made all the more difficult by the current polarized political climate in the country and on college campuses. Forbes recently published an article about the challenges of the job and why so many elite universities have failed to get good leadership. We are very lucky to have Carol Christ.

This may all be true about Christ. But it doesn't mean our new chancellor shouldn't be able to walk and chew gum at the same time (ahem Richard Lyons).

checking the P12 standings this morning.... Cal is still mathematically in the conference race.

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ducky23 said:

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So it took an entire season. But they finally figured out to pass out the balloons to the students behind the basket and not on the sidelines.

#1 school in the world. We figure **** out eventually

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The people who figure **** out eventually aren't Cal people. The problem is Cal people hired them.

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What "Cal people" hired them?

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Chancellor? Whoever hires the A.D.

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It has been about 70 years since the chancellor was a Cal person (alum). Carol Christ went to a women's college at Rutgers and then got her PhD at Yale. Moreover, her expertise is in Victorian literature and her previous experience in academic bureaucracy was at all-women's Smith College. She was out of her depth in hiring an AD for Cal and chose possibly the worst possible person at the most critical time in our history. We will be lucky if our athletics programs survive them. Literally. These people couldn't figure out how to field a cheerleading squad. They are paid $millions to manage Cal athletics but didn't know Oregon and Washington were lobbying to get into the B1G, something most sports fans in the US and everyone who reads this board knew.

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A key part of this statement is not true. Carol was the EVCP (Executive vice chancellor and provost) at Cal for numerous years before she went to Smith, so she had major bureaucratic experience here. The EVCP has a huge role in the day-to-day running of the university. Frankly, I think Carol has been a fantastic chancellor at Cal on the academic side. The sportsaholics obviously question her leadership, but she inherited a huge train wreck from Dirks in terms of putting the campus on a sustainable financial footing and that got worse due to the pandemic. Getting that train wreck righted has been her major priority as I think it should be. Unfortunately we are not at all out of the water on the finances, and a significant part of that is the stadium debt on the athletics-side. I think a lot of folks here have blinders on that allows the to only see the sports side of things. I love cal sports too (basketball, really), but having a sustainable and academically great university has to be the highest priority of the university leadership.

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Being employed at Cal (even twice) does not make you a "Cal person." I like her personally. She is smart. She reminds me of my 79 year old mother. She has been a good chancellor on the academic side. However her lack of background or understanding of D1 athletics resulting in her hiring of Jim Knowlton (an anti-Cal person) and giving him an 8 year contract extension, long past her own tenure makes her a absolute disaster on the athletics side.

The multimillion dollar McKeever contract and ignoring her scandal with $millions spent on lawyers, hiring then extending Mark Fox, a 6 year extension for Wilcox after 5 years of a losing record…..mishandling COVID, not understanding the need to have students at the games. Their both being asleep at the wheel during conference realignment almost killed the athletics department (still might) and will cost us hundreds of millions of dollars in lost revenue over the next ten years. Their trying to block UCLA from going to the B1G killed ANY chance of Cal getting in. We only got into the ACC, and that for a fraction of the payout, due to the efforts of others.

Whatever financial problems she inherited she did not solve and is passing onto her successor multiplied many times over with new financial problems along with the straight jacket of long term contracts for Jim Knowlton (and Wilcox to a lesser extent). There will be a huge financial crisis her successor will have to deal with almost immediately. We will see what the athletics department looks like 4 years from now, but if it does not survive or is radically reduced, the blame will fall directly on her tenure and her actions and inactions.

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ducky23 said:

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So it took an entire season. But they finally figured out to pass out the balloons to the students behind the basket and not on the sidelines.

#1 school in the world. We figure **** out eventually

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The people who figure **** out eventually aren't Cal people. The problem is Cal people hired them.

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What "Cal people" hired them?

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Chancellor? Whoever hires the A.D.

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It has been about 70 years since the chancellor was a Cal person (alum). Carol Christ went to a women's college at Rutgers and then got her PhD at Yale. Moreover, her expertise is in Victorian literature and her previous experience in academic bureaucracy was at all-women's Smith College. She was out of her depth in hiring an AD for Cal and chose possibly the worst possible person at the most critical time in our history. We will be lucky if our athletics programs survive them. Literally. These people couldn't figure out how to field a cheerleading squad. They are paid $millions to manage Cal athletics but didn't know Oregon and Washington were lobbying to get into the B1G, something most sports fans in the US and everyone who reads this board knew.

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A key part of this statement is not true. Carol was the EVCP (Executive vice chancellor and provost) at Cal for numerous years before she went to Smith, so she had major bureaucratic experience here. The EVCP has a huge role in the day-to-day running of the university. Frankly, I think Carol has been a fantastic chancellor at Cal on the academic side. The sportsaholics obviously question her leadership, but she inherited a huge train wreck from Dirks in terms of putting the campus on a sustainable financial footing and that got worse due to the pandemic. Getting that train wreck righted has been her major priority as I think it should be. Unfortunately we are not at all out of the water on the finances, and a significant part of that is the stadium debt on the athletics-side. I think a lot of folks here have blinders on that allows the to only see the sports side of things. I love cal sports too (basketball, really), but having a sustainable and academically great university has to be the highest priority of the university leadership.

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Being employed at Cal (even twice) does not make you a "Cal person." I like her personally. She is smart. She reminds me of my 79 year old mother. She has been a good chancellor on the academic side. However her lack of background or understanding of D1 athletics resulting in her hiring of Jim Knowlton (an anti-Cal person) and giving him an 8 year contract extension, long past her own tenure makes her a absolute disaster on the athletics side.

The multimillion dollar McKeever contract and ignoring her scandal with $millions spent on lawyers, hiring then extending Mark Fox, a 6 year extension for Wilcox after 5 years of a losing record…..mishandling COVID, not understanding the need to have students at the games. Their both being asleep at the wheel during conference realignment almost killed the athletics department (still might) and will cost us hundreds of millions of dollars in lost revenue over the next ten years. Their trying to block UCLA from going to the B1G killed ANY chance of Cal getting in. We only got into the ACC, and that for a fraction of the payout, due to the efforts of others.

Whatever financial problems she inherited she did not solve and is passing onto her successor multiplied many times over with new financial problems along with the straight jacket of long term contracts for Jim Knowlton (and Wilcox to a lesser extent). There will be a huge financial crisis her successor will have to deal with almost immediately. We will see what the athletics department looks like 4 years from now, but if it does not survive or is radically reduced, the blame will fall directly on her tenure and her actions and inactions.

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As Athletic Director, Mike Williams was a Cal alum and "Cal person" and hired Wyking Jones as the men's basketball coach. My point is that I don't think a person's background necessarily implies that they will have the competence and priorities that I think you'd like to see in campus athletic leadership.

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Yes, there are plenty of Cal people I do not want running the Cal athletics department or choosing the person that does. Most of the Cal people who I would not want to run the athletics department or choose the AD do not visit or post on this site.

I just challenged the assertion that Knowlton and his staff were "hired by Cal people."

I do think that a good smart, innovative, Cal alum with a pro sports background would be a great profile for someone to lead the athletics department going forward. However, I've often said, just a smart AD with big time P5 football experience like WSU's Pat Chun (an Ohio State alum) would be great too.

Knowlton is the opposite of what we needed and need going forward.

I think a big problem is that the hiring process for chancellor (rightly) focuses on academic administration. That is far and away the chancellor's most important job. It is just luck if they have ANY experience or interest in big time college football. Carol Christ had NONE. We tend to hire from the Ivy League and so chances are that continues.

That is why I am an advocate for the university turning over more of the decision making regarding athletics, especially the revenue sports, to the alumni who are passionate about them and know, and want to continue, our traditions.