HoopDreams said:

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I hadn't thought about it before, but with the collapse of the Pac12 another casualty was Coach Monty who said it was his last Pac 12 game ("I'm done")

Hall of Fame coach who was a great basketball strategist, always a straight shooter in post games (no coach speak), and impressed me how he re-strategized based on his personell (changing from a post dominated offense at stanford, to a perimeter shooting offense at Cal), and how he also adjusted from his pure man-to-man defense to mixing in zones.

And he brought us consistent top 4 conference finishes, multiple NCAA berths and wins, 3 conference MVPs, and the first conference championship in decades

He's my favorite game analyst as he brought the most knowledge from a coaches viewpoint

Thank you Coach Monty!

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I wonder if he'd be willing to be Madsen's advisor or even an assistant coach at Cal to help his former player adapt to the ACC.

If I make it to Monty's age, I'd be perfectly happy doing nothing!

bearister said:

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One of the interesting phenomenon in my sports fandom history is how much I hated Monty when he helmed Furd. He was the biggest ref baiter of all time and he used to brutally run up the score on Cal, every chance he had. He was such an a$$h@le…and then…
he became our a$$h@le and I loved him like a brother and still do.

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I thought Ben Braun was a good guy, but whenever Cal played Stanford with him on one bench and Montgomery on the other, I knew we were at a disadvantage. Stanford might lose, but it wouldn't be due to the coaching.

How about pointless over dribbling as the shot clock ticks away? That reaches out and grabs you by the neck as you are watching it.

BeachedBear said:

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If I make it to Monty's age, I'd be perfectly happy doing nothing!

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Each day of retirement should be like a John Coltrane sax solo: You kinda know where it begins but you have no idea where it is going to end up.

SFCityBear said:

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HoopDreams said:

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I hadn't thought about it before, but with the collapse of the Pac12 another casualty was Coach Monty who said it was his last Pac 12 game ("I'm done")

Hall of Fame coach who was a great basketball strategist, always a straight shooter in post games (no coach speak), and impressed me how he re-strategized based on his personell (changing from a post dominated offense at stanford, to a perimeter shooting offense at Cal), and how he also adjusted from his pure man-to-man defense to mixing in zones.

And he brought us consistent top 4 conference finishes, multiple NCAA berths and wins, 3 conference MVPs, and the first conference championship in decades

He's my favorite game analyst as he brought the most knowledge from a coaches viewpoint

Thank you Coach Monty!

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It was FIVE decades in fact, exactly 50 years when Monty brought us our first conference championship since 1960.

Years earlier, in 1999, he had a similar achievement, when he brought Stanford their first conference championship in decades, 36 years to be exact, in 1963, when Stanford and UCLA tied for the title
Monty would go on to win a total of 4 conference championships at Stanford, also in 2000 (tie with UCLA), 2001 and 2004. Like most Cal fans, I wish he had stayed with us longer, and won some more conference titles. These were great accomplishments.

Here are the current loss streaks of some schools since winning their last PAC12 championships:

OSU 34 years

USC 39 years

WSU 83years

ASU 45 years (has never won a PAC title)

Utah and Colorado have both been in the Conference since 2012, and never won a PAC title

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WSU wins next year.

ASU, Colorado and Utah never will.

calumnus said:

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SFCityBear said:

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HoopDreams said:

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I hadn't thought about it before, but with the collapse of the Pac12 another casualty was Coach Monty who said it was his last Pac 12 game ("I'm done")

Hall of Fame coach who was a great basketball strategist, always a straight shooter in post games (no coach speak), and impressed me how he re-strategized based on his personell (changing from a post dominated offense at stanford, to a perimeter shooting offense at Cal), and how he also adjusted from his pure man-to-man defense to mixing in zones.

And he brought us consistent top 4 conference finishes, multiple NCAA berths and wins, 3 conference MVPs, and the first conference championship in decades

He's my favorite game analyst as he brought the most knowledge from a coaches viewpoint

Thank you Coach Monty!

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It was FIVE decades in fact, exactly 50 years when Monty brought us our first conference championship since 1960.

Years earlier, in 1999, he had a similar achievement, when he brought Stanford their first conference championship in decades, 36 years to be exact, in 1963, when Stanford and UCLA tied for the title
Monty would go on to win a total of 4 conference championships at Stanford, also in 2000 (tie with UCLA), 2001 and 2004. Like most Cal fans, I wish he had stayed with us longer, and won some more conference titles. These were great accomplishments.

Here are the current loss streaks of some schools since winning their last PAC12 championships:

OSU 34 years

USC 39 years

WSU 83years

ASU 45 years (has never won a PAC title)

Utah and Colorado have both been in the Conference since 2012, and never won a PAC title

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WSU wins next year.

ASU, Colorado and Utah never will.

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You may be right.

Or if this moving to far away conferences turns out to be a flop or partial flop, then some teams may become lonesome for their old rivals, and reform the Pacific Conference. The conference has been reformed before, and can do so again. In that case, maybe ASU gets an invite to join. Not sure about Colorado and Utah, as the games played at altitude are hard to win for teams not conditioned to it. I've done some climbing at higher altitude and I did a lot better if I went up there and acclimated for a few days prior to an ascent. College students didn't have that luxury, as time was precious. I'd keep WSU, which is a really difficult place to travel to and play, but I'm stubborn that way. I wanted to beat them in the Palouse almost as much as beating Stanford and USC.

Not sure what alternative universe you're drawing from when you say the Pacific Conference could reform. As soon as Cal gets out of its revenue-sharing purgatory years and starts seeing ACC TV money roll in, there's no going back. That's what started all this, big TV money contracts, and there is no future where a major network is clamoring for a Pacific Conference. It's sad that rivalry and geography no longer means anything, but it's reality. At least we can still beat up on the Furd.

barsad said:

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Not sure what alternative universe you're drawing from when you say the Pacific Conference could reform. As soon as Cal gets out of its revenue-sharing purgatory years and starts seeing ACC TV money roll in, there's no going back. That's what started all this, big TV money contracts, and there is no future where a major network is clamoring for a Pacific Conference. It's sad that rivalry and geography no longer means anything, but it's reality. At least we can still beat up on the Furd.

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The ACC may not last either. It is the weakest of the Power 4 conferences just as the Pac was the weakest of teh Power 5. It may be the next to dissolve. I realize FSU and a couple of other dissidents are locked in for now, but even if the GOR holds (for now) its years are numbered. Then what happens?

bearister said:

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One of the interesting phenomenon in my sports fandom history is how much I hated Monty when he helmed Furd. He was the biggest ref baiter of all time and he used to brutally run up the score on Cal, every chance he had. He was such an a$$h@le…and then…
he became our a$$h@le and I loved him like a brother and still do.

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Objectively speaking (as much as I could given that we're still biased), Monty did mellow out quite a bit by the time he got the Cal gig. I don't think he was as hungry and passionate as he was as a younger coach at the Farm, when he was quite passionate on the sidelines, he started out at Furd at age 39, and at Cal at 61. But perhaps he made up for his lower enthusiasm with more experience, the quality of his coaching was still there in his 60s even if his energy wasn't at the same level as in his Furd years.

barsad said:

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Not sure what alternative universe you're drawing from when you say the Pacific Conference could reform. As soon as Cal gets out of its revenue-sharing purgatory years and starts seeing ACC TV money roll in, there's no going back. That's what started all this, big TV money contracts, and there is no future where a major network is clamoring for a Pacific Conference. It's sad that rivalry and geography no longer means anything, but it's reality. At least we can still beat up on the Furd.

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UCLA is paying for the revenue share loss in the ACC - welcome to Calimony world. The only issue is the stability of the ACC. If the ACC doesn't blow-up, Cal can't afford the payout for breaking the grant of rights to go the B1G or anywhere else.

wifeisafurd said:

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barsad said:

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Not sure what alternative universe you're drawing from when you say the Pacific Conference could reform. As soon as Cal gets out of its revenue-sharing purgatory years and starts seeing ACC TV money roll in, there's no going back. That's what started all this, big TV money contracts, and there is no future where a major network is clamoring for a Pacific Conference. It's sad that rivalry and geography no longer means anything, but it's reality. At least we can still beat up on the Furd.

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UCLA is paying for the revenue share loss in the ACC - welcome to Calimony world. The only issue is the stability of the ACC. If the ACC doesn't blow-up, Cal can't afford the payout for breaking the grant of rights to go the B1G or anywhere else.

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Wife, some of these threads get long and boring if they get too legal. But your concise first sentence I would like to confirm. Is UCLA making up all losses in revenue from where we were to where we are in ACC? I obviously did not catch that, and did not realize it was resolved.

southseasbear said:

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barsad said:

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Not sure what alternative universe you're drawing from when you say the Pacific Conference could reform. As soon as Cal gets out of its revenue-sharing purgatory years and starts seeing ACC TV money roll in, there's no going back. That's what started all this, big TV money contracts, and there is no future where a major network is clamoring for a Pacific Conference. It's sad that rivalry and geography no longer means anything, but it's reality. At least we can still beat up on the Furd.

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The ACC may not last either. It is the weakest of the Power 4 conferences just as the Pac was the weakest of teh Power 5. It may be the next to dissolve. I realize FSU and a couple of other dissidents are locked in for now, but even if the GOR holds (for now) its years are numbered. Then what happens?

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The ACC is third in revenue per school.

Cal88 said:

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bearister said:

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One of the interesting phenomenon in my sports fandom history is how much I hated Monty when he helmed Furd. He was the biggest ref baiter of all time and he used to brutally run up the score on Cal, every chance he had. He was such an a$$h@le…and then…
he became our a$$h@le and I loved him like a brother and still do.

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Objectively speaking (as much as I could given that we're still biased), Monty did mellow out quite a bit by the time he got the Cal gig. I don't think he was as hungry and passionate as he was as a younger coach at the Farm, when he was quite passionate on the sidelines, he started out at Furd at age 39, and at Cal at 61. But perhaps he made up for his lower enthusiasm with more experience, the quality of his coaching was still there in his 60s even if his energy wasn't at the same level as in his Furd years.

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If anything he got crankier. The difference is the refs called him for FAR more technicals at Cal. He yelled at the players almost continuously and was a national story when he chewed out and forcefully shoved Allen Crabbe on national TV. Part of it may have been the cancer. He did not feel good. He wisely let DeCuire take over the in game coaching that last year.

He really mellowed after retiring. Broadcasting lets him share his deep knowledge of basketball without being emotionally attached to the outcome.

BeachedBear said:

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wifeisafurd said:

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barsad said:

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Not sure what alternative universe you're drawing from when you say the Pacific Conference could reform. As soon as Cal gets out of its revenue-sharing purgatory years and starts seeing ACC TV money roll in, there's no going back. That's what started all this, big TV money contracts, and there is no future where a major network is clamoring for a Pacific Conference. It's sad that rivalry and geography no longer means anything, but it's reality. At least we can still beat up on the Furd.

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UCLA is paying for the revenue share loss in the ACC - welcome to Calimony world. The only issue is the stability of the ACC. If the ACC doesn't blow-up, Cal can't afford the payout for breaking the grant of rights to go the B1G or anywhere else.

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Quick poll.... How many of us actually believe that money will flow from UCLA athletic department to Cal athletic department?

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I was on record long ago that at best, we get pennies on the dollar. UCLA's Athletic Dept is already underwater, so the Regents making them accept more red ink doesn't make a lot of business sense.

RedlessWardrobe said:

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Saw an interesting video on YouTube last night from a guy who covers college sports, (sorry, I don't recall his name.) In summary, his take was that the Big Ten wanted Cal and Furd to come in but it was Fox that wasn't having it.

He also speculated (as many have) that if FSU and others get out of the ACC, Cal and Furd will eventually land in the Big 10 in three or four years, and that it would have been advantageous for the conference and the schools to have hooked up from the get go. He also pointed out that Cal and Furd could have taken a calculated risk and stayed out of the ACC, played the waiting game, but that it was a chance the two schools couldn't afford to take.

One thing we've learned in recent years, anything is possible.

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yeah, that was common knowledge back in teh day. The BiG Presidents would have loved to add 2 original AAU members, but Fox was not gonna fund it.

Big Dog said:

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RedlessWardrobe said:

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Saw an interesting video on YouTube last night from a guy who covers college sports, (sorry, I don't recall his name.) In summary, his take was that the Big Ten wanted Cal and Furd to come in but it was Fox that wasn't having it.

He also speculated (as many have) that if FSU and others get out of the ACC, Cal and Furd will eventually land in the Big 10 in three or four years, and that it would have been advantageous for the conference and the schools to have hooked up from the get go. He also pointed out that Cal and Furd could have taken a calculated risk and stayed out of the ACC, played the waiting game, but that it was a chance the two schools couldn't afford to take.

One thing we've learned in recent years, anything is possible.

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yeah, that was common knowledge back in teh day. The BiG Presidents would have loved to add 2 original AAU members, but Fox was not gonna fund it.

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By trying to block UCLA, we really pissed off UCLA alum and Fox's Sports decision maker Mark Silverman
https://www.foxsports.com/presspass/bios/on-air/mark-silverman/#:~:text=Bio,and%20COO%20of%20FOX%20Sports.

If you read his bio, his role in creating the Big-10 Network, and know that he lives 10 minutes from Pauley Pavillion and attends all their games, you would understand why he took Carol Christ's efforts to block his alma mater from getting paid by the organization he leads so personally,

barsad said:

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Not sure what alternative universe you're drawing from when you say the Pacific Conference could reform. As soon as Cal gets out of its revenue-sharing purgatory years and starts seeing ACC TV money roll in, there's no going back. That's what started all this, big TV money contracts, and there is no future where a major network is clamoring for a Pacific Conference. It's sad that rivalry and geography no longer means anything, but it's reality. At least we can still beat up on the Furd.

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I didn't say it would reform as a power conference, just that it could reform. Cal could also join the WAC, or whatever that conference is called, in a move to de-emphasize basketball. The Cal administration cares far more about its standing as an elite academic university, than it does about becoming a major sports power house university. They care more about the revenue from research than they do about revenue from basketball and football. The faculty has more to say about Cal's direction than Knowlton does. They tolerate Knowlton, knowing he would not get aggressive. By making the deal with the ACC, it might help Cal's major sport revenue shortfall in the short run, but the faculty and the admin will not be happy with the big increase in travel expenses. Right now the basketball team makes only a small amount of trips East to play games, but that will grow to be much larger now. The professors won't like their student athletes falling asleep in class, and having their grade points drop. I don't know it is still the case, but under Cuonzo, players would fly to Utah for a game, then fly back to Berkeley to study for a day and then fly out to Colorado, for the next game, and then fly back to Berkeley. The distance to ACC arenas will be 3 or 4 times as far as the trip to the Rockies, so if they have 2 games back East, will they fly back in between? Now you are adding a little jet lag to the mix. Remember this is Cal, and there are a lot in the admin who would prefer that Cal de-emphasize. Do you think Cal can bring in enough revenue from ACC games to pay off the Memorial Stadium loan?

At one event where fans meet the team, my kids wanted Monty's autograph when I asked, a woman intervened and asked for our forbearance, saying something to the effect that Monty was run ragged and tired, and was not up for signing autographs but he did so, grudgingly. He did look tired. I was, however, surprised that signing an autograph was so exhausting for him!

Cal88 said:

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bearister said:

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One of the interesting phenomenon in my sports fandom history is how much I hated Monty when he helmed Furd. He was the biggest ref baiter of all time and he used to brutally run up the score on Cal, every chance he had. He was such an a$$h@le…and then…
he became our a$$h@le and I loved him like a brother and still do.

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Objectively speaking (as much as I could given that we're still biased), Monty did mellow out quite a bit by the time he got the Cal gig. I don't think he was as hungry and passionate as he was as a younger coach at the Farm, when he was quite passionate on the sidelines, he started out at Furd at age 39, and at Cal at 61. But perhaps he made up for his lower enthusiasm with more experience, the quality of his coaching was still there in his 60s even if his energy wasn't at the same level as in his Furd years.

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Bearprof said:

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At one event where fans meet the team, my kids wanted Monty's autograph when I asked, a woman intervened and asked for our forbearance, saying something to the effect that Monty was run ragged and tired, and was not up for signing autographs but he did so, grudgingly. He did look tired. I was, however, surprised that signing an autograph was so exhausting for him!

Cal88 said:

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bearister said:

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One of the interesting phenomenon in my sports fandom history is how much I hated Monty when he helmed Furd. He was the biggest ref baiter of all time and he used to brutally run up the score on Cal, every chance he had. He was such an a$$h@le…and then…
he became our a$$h@le and I loved him like a brother and still do.

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Objectively speaking (as much as I could given that we're still biased), Monty did mellow out quite a bit by the time he got the Cal gig. I don't think he was as hungry and passionate as he was as a younger coach at the Farm, when he was quite passionate on the sidelines, he started out at Furd at age 39, and at Cal at 61. But perhaps he made up for his lower enthusiasm with more experience, the quality of his coaching was still there in his 60s even if his energy wasn't at the same level as in his Furd years.

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I knew him in his Furd years. He was no more eager to meet fans and sign autographs then.