Oops. Forgot about him. Fox pulled him in, I think.

Honestly if Pavlovic is on a scholly, surprised he's still there.

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Newell, Brown Jr, Okafor, and Askew are not going to be great players in the ACC. Madsen is the opposite of fox, push them out and get better ones.

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Perhaps, but they could have grown to be adequate backups. Now we don't even have that. And it's not like we needed to make roster room.

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Newell, Brown Jr, Okafor, and Askew are not going to be great players in the ACC. Madsen is the opposite of fox, push them out and get better ones.

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foxy, more importantly they aren't particularly good human beings either

adios bad news attitude bears (in coach madsen we trust)#

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Grant looked lost all season. He seemed to be constantly overthinking which made him a step slow at all times. Like his defensive lapse against Washington which allowed the game-winning 3.

I do think he has potential. He has a great frame and feet for a college power forward. But his issues appear to be mental and for that reason maybe a fresh start is best for him.

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IMHO, Grant was improving throughout the season. The game was slowing down a bit for him. Also, I'm glad he's a thoughtful player. Those are the guys who can study film, be coached up, and improve. Guys who just play on pure instinct rarely improve.

I really hope Grant comes back to Cal next year after looking at other schools. This is especially true if the NBA is Grant's goal. I truly believe Madsen can develop him into a NBA-caliber player. I can't say that about many other college coaches.

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did you watch him play? NBA? Hopefully you aren't a talent scout

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Yes, I did. He needs some coaching up, but he has the size and athleticism to play rotation minutes off the bench in the NBA. What he's missing (or really, hasn't proven he has) right now are (1) the skill level (to be a 3-and-D stretch 4), (2) the basketball IQ, and (3) the heart (including the discipline). With a good coach, he can develop the first two. The third is entirely within his control. If he lacks the heart, no one and nothing can give it to him.

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cal83dls79 said:

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01Bear said:

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BC Calfan said:

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Grant looked lost all season. He seemed to be constantly overthinking which made him a step slow at all times. Like his defensive lapse against Washington which allowed the game-winning 3.

I do think he has potential. He has a great frame and feet for a college power forward. But his issues appear to be mental and for that reason maybe a fresh start is best for him.

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IMHO, Grant was improving throughout the season. The game was slowing down a bit for him. Also, I'm glad he's a thoughtful player. Those are the guys who can study film, be coached up, and improve. Guys who just play on pure instinct rarely improve.

I really hope Grant comes back to Cal next year after looking at other schools. This is especially true if the NBA is Grant's goal. I truly believe Madsen can develop him into a NBA-caliber player. I can't say that about many other college coaches.

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did you watch him play? NBA? Hopefully you aren't a talent scout

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Agreed, no way in the world that Newell plays in the NBA, even if coached by Coach K

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Coach K wasn't a great developer of talent; he was great at recruiting top talent and making a team better than the sum of its parts from said talent. Monty was a better talent developer but not as good a recruiter.

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01Bear said:

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cal83dls79 said:

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01Bear said:

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BC Calfan said:

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Grant looked lost all season. He seemed to be constantly overthinking which made him a step slow at all times. Like his defensive lapse against Washington which allowed the game-winning 3.

I do think he has potential. He has a great frame and feet for a college power forward. But his issues appear to be mental and for that reason maybe a fresh start is best for him.

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IMHO, Grant was improving throughout the season. The game was slowing down a bit for him. Also, I'm glad he's a thoughtful player. Those are the guys who can study film, be coached up, and improve. Guys who just play on pure instinct rarely improve.

I really hope Grant comes back to Cal next year after looking at other schools. This is especially true if the NBA is Grant's goal. I truly believe Madsen can develop him into a NBA-caliber player. I can't say that about many other college coaches.

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did you watch him play? NBA? Hopefully you aren't a talent scout

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Yes, I did. He needs some coaching up, but he has the size and athleticism to play rotation minutes off the bench in the NBA. What he's missing (or really, hasn't proven he has) right now are (1) the skill level (to be a 3-and-D stretch 4), (2) the basketball IQ, and (3) the heart (including the discipline). With a good coach, he can develop the first two. The third is entirely within his control. If he lacks the heart, no one and nothing can give it to him.

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So he needs to get everything that is required to play minutes in the NBA. Got it

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01Bear said:

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cal83dls79 said:

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01Bear said:

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BC Calfan said:

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Grant looked lost all season. He seemed to be constantly overthinking which made him a step slow at all times. Like his defensive lapse against Washington which allowed the game-winning 3.

I do think he has potential. He has a great frame and feet for a college power forward. But his issues appear to be mental and for that reason maybe a fresh start is best for him.

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IMHO, Grant was improving throughout the season. The game was slowing down a bit for him. Also, I'm glad he's a thoughtful player. Those are the guys who can study film, be coached up, and improve. Guys who just play on pure instinct rarely improve.

I really hope Grant comes back to Cal next year after looking at other schools. This is especially true if the NBA is Grant's goal. I truly believe Madsen can develop him into a NBA-caliber player. I can't say that about many other college coaches.

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did you watch him play? NBA? Hopefully you aren't a talent scout

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Yes, I did. He needs some coaching up, but he has the size and athleticism to play rotation minutes off the bench in the NBA. What he's missing (or really, hasn't proven he has) right now are (1) the skill level (to be a 3-and-D stretch 4), (2) the basketball IQ, and (3) the heart (including the discipline). With a good coach, he can develop the first two. The third is entirely within his control. If he lacks the heart, no one and nothing can give it to him.

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So he needs to get everything that is required to play minutes in the NBA. Got it

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Except the size and athleticism.

Obviously, few, if any, are guaranteed a spot in the NBA. While there are some exceptions, having the size/frame and athleticism tends to be helpful but they're still just the bare minimum. Plenty of players who have the athleticism and size/frame don't make or stick in the NBA. Heck, plenty of players with the size, athleticism, talent, skills, and heart don't always make or stick in the NBA.

Along those lines, I never claimed that either Grant or Rodney was a lock for the NBA. I've maintained that they have the size and athleticism, but need to develop the skills, etc. for the NBA. That these two are leaving Cal is disappointing because Mark Madsen could probably help them develop into NBA talent. However, I'm doubtful that's the case for many other coaches.

Of course, as it pertains to Cal, I believed those two players would benefit the team as they developed under Madsen. They both showed flashes of ability that, if developed properly, could make them NBA-level talent. Obviously, Cal's team could benefit from having NBA-level talent.

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Johnfox said:

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Newell, Brown Jr, Okafor, and Askew are not going to be great players in the ACC. Madsen is the opposite of fox, push them out and get better ones.

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I don't know that Madsen is pushing them out, but the professional coach in him probably has him being really honest about what he sees moving forward with them.

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Maybe not coincidental that they are all Fox recruits? And that MM has different ideas about what "his" type of basketball players are? I am hoping (and kinda of thinking) he has a plan in motion here.

01Bear said:

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SBGold said:

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cal83dls79 said:

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01Bear said:

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BC Calfan said:

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Grant looked lost all season. He seemed to be constantly overthinking which made him a step slow at all times. Like his defensive lapse against Washington which allowed the game-winning 3.

I do think he has potential. He has a great frame and feet for a college power forward. But his issues appear to be mental and for that reason maybe a fresh start is best for him.

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IMHO, Grant was improving throughout the season. The game was slowing down a bit for him. Also, I'm glad he's a thoughtful player. Those are the guys who can study film, be coached up, and improve. Guys who just play on pure instinct rarely improve.

I really hope Grant comes back to Cal next year after looking at other schools. This is especially true if the NBA is Grant's goal. I truly believe Madsen can develop him into a NBA-caliber player. I can't say that about many other college coaches.

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did you watch him play? NBA? Hopefully you aren't a talent scout

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Agreed, no way in the world that Newell plays in the NBA, even if coached by Coach K

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Coach K wasn't a great developer of talent; he was great at recruiting top talent and making a team better than the sum of its parts from said talent. Monty was a better talent developer but not as good a recruiter.

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I actually agree here. Can't think of many Dukies, aside from Grant Hill - and "maybe" Zion, who have made any significant mark in the NBA, no matter how hyped they were at Duke.

Currently, I would say, Jayson Tatum, Brandon Ingram and Paolo Banchero for starters. A quick google search yields dozens of players of varying levels of NBA contribution, many of which were solid players for multiple seasons (I am not counting Kyrie Irving, who was hurt most of his only year at Duke).

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Currently, I would say, Jayson Tatum, Brandon Ingram and Paolo Banchero for starters. A quick google search yields dozens of players of varying levels of NBA contribution, many of which were solid players for multiple seasons (I am not counting Kyrie Irving, who was hurt most of his only year at Duke).

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True. Although the "dozens of players of varying levels of NBA contributions", generally speaking, had not particularly memorable, or especially impactful, NBA careers. So from Tatum, Ranchero, Ingram, Grant Hill, and Zion, and maybe one or two others - over Coach K's nearly 40-year HC career - that would be comparatively low impact, compared to various NC, Arizona, UCLA, Oregon, or HCs of other college programs. Jmo, though.

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BerkeleyBAT said:

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Currently, I would say, Jayson Tatum, Brandon Ingram and Paolo Banchero for starters. A quick google search yields dozens of players of varying levels of NBA contribution, many of which were solid players for multiple seasons (I am not counting Kyrie Irving, who was hurt most of his only year at Duke).

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True. Although the "dozens of players of varying levels of NBA contributions", generally speaking, had not particularly memorable, or especially impactful, NBA careers. So from Tatum, Ranchero, Ingram, Grant Hill, and Zion, and maybe one or two others - over Coach K's nearly 40-year HC career - that would be comparatively low impact, compared to various NC, Arizona, UCLA, Oregon, or HCs of other college programs. Jmo, though.

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and...
Kyrie Irving
Elton Brand
Christian Laettner
JJ Reddick
RJ Barrett
Carlos Boozer
Gary Trent Jr
Rodney Hood
Shane Battier
Corey Maggette, etc...

Madsen players need to be shooters

Pittstop said:

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89Bear said:

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Johnfox said:

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Newell, Brown Jr, Okafor, and Askew are not going to be great players in the ACC. Madsen is the opposite of fox, push them out and get better ones.

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I don't know that Madsen is pushing them out, but the professional coach in him probably has him being really honest about what he sees moving forward with them.

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Maybe not coincidental that they are all Fox recruits? And that MM has different ideas about what "his" type of basketball players are? I am hoping (and kinda of thinking) he has a plan in motion here.

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I think Brown can shoot but he needs to work on his defense.

I agree! Madsen has seemed to go out in the portal and look for shooters this year.

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I think Brown can shoot but he needs to work on his defense.

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He shot .397 from 3 as a freshman which is very good.

SBGold said:

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Pittstop said:

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01Bear said:

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SBGold said:

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cal83dls79 said:

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01Bear said:

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BC Calfan said:

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Grant looked lost all season. He seemed to be constantly overthinking which made him a step slow at all times. Like his defensive lapse against Washington which allowed the game-winning 3.

I do think he has potential. He has a great frame and feet for a college power forward. But his issues appear to be mental and for that reason maybe a fresh start is best for him.

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IMHO, Grant was improving throughout the season. The game was slowing down a bit for him. Also, I'm glad he's a thoughtful player. Those are the guys who can study film, be coached up, and improve. Guys who just play on pure instinct rarely improve.

I really hope Grant comes back to Cal next year after looking at other schools. This is especially true if the NBA is Grant's goal. I truly believe Madsen can develop him into a NBA-caliber player. I can't say that about many other college coaches.

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did you watch him play? NBA? Hopefully you aren't a talent scout

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Agreed, no way in the world that Newell plays in the NBA, even if coached by Coach K

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Coach K wasn't a great developer of talent; he was great at recruiting top talent and making a team better than the sum of its parts from said talent. Monty was a better talent developer but not as good a recruiter.

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I actually agree here. Can't think of many Dukies, aside from Grant Hill - and "maybe" Zion, who have made any significant mark in the NBA, no matter how hyped they were at Duke.

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These posts, OMG. Time to disregard anything re: basketball from these 2

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right? The latter may have been sarcasm

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Pittstop said:

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BerkeleyBAT said:

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Currently, I would say, Jayson Tatum, Brandon Ingram and Paolo Banchero for starters. A quick google search yields dozens of players of varying levels of NBA contribution, many of which were solid players for multiple seasons (I am not counting Kyrie Irving, who was hurt most of his only year at Duke).

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True. Although the "dozens of players of varying levels of NBA contributions", generally speaking, had not particularly memorable, or especially impactful, NBA careers. So from Tatum, Ranchero, Ingram, Grant Hill, and Zion, and maybe one or two others - over Coach K's nearly 40-year HC career - that would be comparatively low impact, compared to various NC, Arizona, UCLA, Oregon, or HCs of other college programs. Jmo, though.

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and...
Kyrie Irving
Elton Brand
Christian Laettner
JJ Reddick
RJ Barrett
Carlos Boozer
Gary Trent Jr
Rodney Hood
Shane Battier
Corey Maggette, etc...

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Pretty much journeyman, all. I never said "non-existent." I said "not particularly memorable or impactful." And since Kyrie left Duke following a freshman year during which he he was injured for most of it, and hardly played, Coach K can't claim, or be given, credit for "developing" Kyrie. Boozer was probably the most impactful. But still a multi-team journeyman who won't sniff Springfield. Same with JJ.

SBGold said:

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Pittstop said:

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01Bear said:

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SBGold said:

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cal83dls79 said:

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01Bear said:

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BC Calfan said:

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Grant looked lost all season. He seemed to be constantly overthinking which made him a step slow at all times. Like his defensive lapse against Washington which allowed the game-winning 3.

I do think he has potential. He has a great frame and feet for a college power forward. But his issues appear to be mental and for that reason maybe a fresh start is best for him.

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IMHO, Grant was improving throughout the season. The game was slowing down a bit for him. Also, I'm glad he's a thoughtful player. Those are the guys who can study film, be coached up, and improve. Guys who just play on pure instinct rarely improve.

I really hope Grant comes back to Cal next year after looking at other schools. This is especially true if the NBA is Grant's goal. I truly believe Madsen can develop him into a NBA-caliber player. I can't say that about many other college coaches.

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did you watch him play? NBA? Hopefully you aren't a talent scout

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Agreed, no way in the world that Newell plays in the NBA, even if coached by Coach K

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Coach K wasn't a great developer of talent; he was great at recruiting top talent and making a team better than the sum of its parts from said talent. Monty was a better talent developer but not as good a recruiter.

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I actually agree here. Can't think of many Dukies, aside from Grant Hill - and "maybe" Zion, who have made any significant mark in the NBA, no matter how hyped they were at Duke.

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These posts, OMG. Time to disregard anything re: basketball from these 2

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Did Coach K develop them or did they just make a pit stop at Duke for a year due to NBA draft age rules?

Again, I'm not claiming no Dukies made it to the NBA, I'm saying Coach K didn't really develop them. Bobby Hurley and maybe Grant Hill are the possible exceptions. But IIRC, Bobby Hurley's dad was a championship basketball coach and Grant Hill improved more in the NBA (before his injuries) than in college.

This is no knock against Coach K. It takes skill to get a team of star players to set aside their individual egos to pull in the same direction. To do that for year after year at championship levels while being (at least publicly*) principled is noteworthy. In all honesty, I would've loved if Coach K had coached at Cal instead of Duke.

That said, what player did Coach K develop into a NBA player? At a minimum, Monty developed Jorge into a NBA-caliber (albeit end of the rotation and more likely G-League) player. Jorge was not highly recruited in high school; Monty helped turn him into Pac-12 POY and DPOY. Jorge, obviously, put in the work but he was coached up by Monty.

I don't think Coach K ever coached up any of his players. They came to him as highly recruited blue chippers. His job was to get them to play together. But he never turned a lightly recruited player into a NBA player (at least not to my recollection). Of course, since you're such an expert on college basketball, I'm sure you can point out when Coach K did just that.

*It's possible there are things that never came to light or came to light and have been forgotten. But I honestly can't think of anything.

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BerkeleyBAT said:

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Currently, I would say, Jayson Tatum, Brandon Ingram and Paolo Banchero for starters. A quick google search yields dozens of players of varying levels of NBA contribution, many of which were solid players for multiple seasons (I am not counting Kyrie Irving, who was hurt most of his only year at Duke).

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True. Although the "dozens of players of varying levels of NBA contributions", generally speaking, had not particularly memorable, or especially impactful, NBA careers. So from Tatum, Ranchero, Ingram, Grant Hill, and Zion, and maybe one or two others - over Coach K's nearly 40-year HC career - that would be comparatively low impact, compared to various NC, Arizona, UCLA, Oregon, or HCs of other college programs. Jmo, though.

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and...
Kyrie Irving
Elton Brand
Christian Laettner
JJ Reddick
RJ Barrett
Carlos Boozer
Gary Trent Jr
Rodney Hood
Shane Battier
Corey Maggette, etc...

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Pretty much journeyman, all. I never said "non-existent." I said "not particularly memorable or impactful. And since Kyrie left Duke following a freshman year during which he he was injured for most of it, and hardly played, Coach K can't claim, or be given, credit for "developing" Kyrie. Boomer was probably the most impactful. But still a multi-team journeyman who won't sniff Springfield. Same with JJ.

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Barrett, a 23 year old SF is averaging 19.4 PPG, 5.3 REB, 3.1 AST, and 48.7 FG% is a journeyman.

Boozer earned two All-Star selections and was named to the All-NBA Team for the 2007-2008 season.

Elton Brand enjoyed a 17-year professional career that included co-Rookie of the Year (2000), NBA All-Rookie (2000), All-NBA (2006; 2nd team), NBA All-Star (2002 & 2006).

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Pittstop said:

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oski003 said:

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Pittstop said:

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BerkeleyBAT said:

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Currently, I would say, Jayson Tatum, Brandon Ingram and Paolo Banchero for starters. A quick google search yields dozens of players of varying levels of NBA contribution, many of which were solid players for multiple seasons (I am not counting Kyrie Irving, who was hurt most of his only year at Duke).

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True. Although the "dozens of players of varying levels of NBA contributions", generally speaking, had not particularly memorable, or especially impactful, NBA careers. So from Tatum, Ranchero, Ingram, Grant Hill, and Zion, and maybe one or two others - over Coach K's nearly 40-year HC career - that would be comparatively low impact, compared to various NC, Arizona, UCLA, Oregon, or HCs of other college programs. Jmo, though.

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and...
Kyrie Irving
Elton Brand
Christian Laettner
JJ Reddick
RJ Barrett
Carlos Boozer
Gary Trent Jr
Rodney Hood
Shane Battier
Corey Maggette, etc...

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Pretty much journeyman, all. I never said "non-existent." I said "not particularly memorable or impactful. And since Kyrie left Duke following a freshman year during which he he was injured for most of it, and hardly played, Coach K can't claim, or be given, credit for "developing" Kyrie. Boomer was probably the most impactful. But still a multi-team journeyman who won't sniff Springfield. Same with JJ.

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Barrett, a 23 year old SF is averaging 19.4 PPG, 5.3 REB, 3.1 AST, and 48.7 FG% is a journeyman.

Boozer earned two All-Star selections and was named to the All-NBA Team for the 2007-2008 season.

Elton Brand enjoyed a 17-year professional career that included co-Rookie of the Year (2000), NBA All-Rookie (2000), All-NBA (2006; 2nd team), NBA All-Star (2002 & 2006).

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OK. Wasn't Barrett a "one and done"? Does Coach AK get credit for developing a player who just "passed through" Duke on his way to the NBA? And, do you imagine Boozer or Brand being inducted into Springfield, independent of their college careers? They were solid, journeyman pro players.

Pittstop said:

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oski003 said:

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Pittstop said:

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oski003 said:

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Pittstop said:

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BerkeleyBAT said:

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Currently, I would say, Jayson Tatum, Brandon Ingram and Paolo Banchero for starters. A quick google search yields dozens of players of varying levels of NBA contribution, many of which were solid players for multiple seasons (I am not counting Kyrie Irving, who was hurt most of his only year at Duke).

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True. Although the "dozens of players of varying levels of NBA contributions", generally speaking, had not particularly memorable, or especially impactful, NBA careers. So from Tatum, Ranchero, Ingram, Grant Hill, and Zion, and maybe one or two others - over Coach K's nearly 40-year HC career - that would be comparatively low impact, compared to various NC, Arizona, UCLA, Oregon, or HCs of other college programs. Jmo, though.

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and...
Kyrie Irving
Elton Brand
Christian Laettner
JJ Reddick
RJ Barrett
Carlos Boozer
Gary Trent Jr
Rodney Hood
Shane Battier
Corey Maggette, etc...

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Pretty much journeyman, all. I never said "non-existent." I said "not particularly memorable or impactful. And since Kyrie left Duke following a freshman year during which he he was injured for most of it, and hardly played, Coach K can't claim, or be given, credit for "developing" Kyrie. Boomer was probably the most impactful. But still a multi-team journeyman who won't sniff Springfield. Same with JJ.

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Barrett, a 23 year old SF is averaging 19.4 PPG, 5.3 REB, 3.1 AST, and 48.7 FG% is a journeyman.

Boozer earned two All-Star selections and was named to the All-NBA Team for the 2007-2008 season.

Elton Brand enjoyed a 17-year professional career that included co-Rookie of the Year (2000), NBA All-Rookie (2000), All-NBA (2006; 2nd team), NBA All-Star (2002 & 2006).

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OK. Wasn't Barrett a "one and done"? Does Coach AK get credit for developing a player who just "passed through" Duke on his way to the NBA? And, do you imagine Boozer or Brand being inducted into Springfield, independent of their college careers? They were solid, journeyman pro players.

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Since we appear to be having a very high bar for impactful NBA player, let's just clarify that most "impactful" NBA players never spent more than one year in college, if at all.

oski003 said:

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Pittstop said:

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oski003 said:

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Pittstop said:

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oski003 said:

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Pittstop said:

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BerkeleyBAT said:

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Currently, I would say, Jayson Tatum, Brandon Ingram and Paolo Banchero for starters. A quick google search yields dozens of players of varying levels of NBA contribution, many of which were solid players for multiple seasons (I am not counting Kyrie Irving, who was hurt most of his only year at Duke).

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True. Although the "dozens of players of varying levels of NBA contributions", generally speaking, had not particularly memorable, or especially impactful, NBA careers. So from Tatum, Ranchero, Ingram, Grant Hill, and Zion, and maybe one or two others - over Coach K's nearly 40-year HC career - that would be comparatively low impact, compared to various NC, Arizona, UCLA, Oregon, or HCs of other college programs. Jmo, though.

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and...
Kyrie Irving
Elton Brand
Christian Laettner
JJ Reddick
RJ Barrett
Carlos Boozer
Gary Trent Jr
Rodney Hood
Shane Battier
Corey Maggette, etc...

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Pretty much journeyman, all. I never said "non-existent." I said "not particularly memorable or impactful. And since Kyrie left Duke following a freshman year during which he he was injured for most of it, and hardly played, Coach K can't claim, or be given, credit for "developing" Kyrie. Boomer was probably the most impactful. But still a multi-team journeyman who won't sniff Springfield. Same with JJ.

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Barrett, a 23 year old SF is averaging 19.4 PPG, 5.3 REB, 3.1 AST, and 48.7 FG% is a journeyman.

Boozer earned two All-Star selections and was named to the All-NBA Team for the 2007-2008 season.

Elton Brand enjoyed a 17-year professional career that included co-Rookie of the Year (2000), NBA All-Rookie (2000), All-NBA (2006; 2nd team), NBA All-Star (2002 & 2006).

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OK. Wasn't Barrett a "one and done"? Does Coach AK get credit for developing a player who just "passed through" Duke on his way to the NBA? And, do you imagine Boozer or Brand being inducted into Springfield, independent of their college careers? They were solid, journeyman pro players.

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Since we appear to be having a very high bar for impactful NBA player, let's just clarify that most "impactful" NBA players never spent more than one year in college, if at all.

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I agree with you on that point. With a few exceptions like the 4-year Stanford (and Cal) guys under Mongomery and some of the Braun guys, and Bobby Knight guys, and the 4-year players that came before the rules changed, and the deluge of early entrees and "straight-out-of-high-school" players. But prior to that, there were the Kareem Abdul-Jabbars, and Jamal Wilkeses, and Rick Barrys, Jerry Wests, Elgin Taylor's, James Worthys, Pistol Petes and Larry Birds , etc., of the NBA, who were actually "developed" by their college coaches, as opposed to having to be developed by their NBA teams after bailing on college to become early entrees into "The League." Can't give their college coaches credit for the development of many, if any, of those early entry guys.

In particular, it would be hard to give Martin much credit for developing Jaylen Brown.

Cal transfer Grant Newell has received interest from the following programs:

DePaul
Wyoming
Colorado State
Tulsa
ECU
VCU
Wichita State
Penn State
Rice
UAB
Arizona State
New Mexico
Saint Louis
Saint Mary's
Stanford
Charlotte
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