ncbears said:

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With 5 minutes to go, Bears are 2-22 from three but 20-38 from two.
Hmmmmm

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If we'd just put our foot on the line we'd be winning!

Tucker's earning minutes.

79-53. Andre's worst game. Six points. In fairness, he got doubled a lot, but still missed open shots. And I don't think Wilkinson scored at all. So many three-point bricks. I don't know how you fix that. And non-energetic defense. Hard to watch. Tsk tsk.

I just glanced at the box score. Not recommended reading.
Now on to the Warriors. Playing just about as poorly.

Off day shooting. It happens. Travel didnt help. I assume we play Wake next

touchdownbears43 said:

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Two years into the Madsen experience and I'm doubting it's gonna provide us with much postseason exposure. In the current era of the transfer portal coaches need to be able to win now, there is no concept of player development.

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I would be curious to know what Madsen is really thinking, in terms of analyzing the problems and solving them. Surely, coming off of last year, he knew that it's important to get off to a faster start (against the weaker, non-conference opponents), but we didn't. And the same offensive and defensive problems have been occurring all of this season.

What's going on?

What's the buyout for Madsen? #unbearable.

Have to agree with Redless on this one, we're not talking about that this year. But the more interesting question is what year would we need to start talking about it if we assume that the team doesn't get any better? I've said before that he gets three seasons to prove he's the guy, so that would mean we're talking about a buyout a year from now. Too soon? Too late? All I know is that he doesn't get to the end of his contract (2030!), fans don't have the patience for that.

barsad said:

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Have to agree with Redless on this one, we're not talking about that this year. But the more interesting question is what year would we need to start talking about it if we assume that the team doesn't get any better? I've said before that he gets three seasons to prove he's the guy, so that would mean we're talking about a buyout a year from now. Too soon? Too late? All I know is that he doesn't get to the end of his contract (2030!), fans don't have the patience for that.

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What I am looking for is some sense of coaching adjustments.
Jones' downfall, in my opinion, was that he wanted to run a system for which he did not have the personnel and it took him several games before trying another system - and, that system didn't work well either. Jones, at least, could have said he didn't have the players he had selected, but rather, inherited. This is Madsen's team - with players he selected.

touchdownbears43 said:

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Two years into the Madsen experience and I'm doubting it's gonna provide us with much postseason exposure. In the current era of the transfer portal coaches need to be able to win now, there is no concept of player development.

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True. In this era, it really rewards roster construction (talent and function) and elite in game coaching. In the roster constructions, coaches will have to find guys who already know and play with the proper fundamentals. That would be someone like Rytis, who is not super athletic, but seems to be in the right places for boards and spacing on offense -- as well as hustles.

No one likes it when I bring this up... But that looked like a tired team out there given the shooting woes. Traveling cross country for a wednesday game has consequences

ncbears said:

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barsad said:

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Have to agree with Redless on this one, we're not talking about that this year. But the more interesting question is what year would we need to start talking about it if we assume that the team doesn't get any better? I've said before that he gets three seasons to prove he's the guy, so that would mean we're talking about a buyout a year from now. Too soon? Too late? All I know is that he doesn't get to the end of his contract (2030!), fans don't have the patience for that.

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What I am looking for is some sense of coaching adjustments.
Jones' downfall, in my opinion, was that he wanted to run a system for which he did not have the personnel and it took him several games before trying another system - and, that system didn't work well either. Jones, at least, could have said he didn't have the players he had selected, but rather, inherited. This is Madsen's team - with players he selected.

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Is it just me or does Madsen come off as a little bit of an airhead sometimes in pressers? Love his enthusiasm and positivity but I get the sense that he's not the sharpest knife...I mean he did go to Furd so not surprising lol.

But seriously, I wonder about his ability to make smart adjustments. Could be just his persona and/or lack of talent on the team but it has always concerned me.

He selected them...from the the remaining pool that didn't go to other schools. Doubtful he "won" 100% of the offers he made. So the puzzle pieces he was left with don't always fit together very well.

I don't think it's necessarily Madsen's coaching, although sometimes it is and I thought he should have assembled a better coaching staff

I think the core issues are:

1. lack of continuity ... no power conference team in the nation has all new players in their top 10 rotation (#350 in player continuity)

2. shooting - before the season my concern was shooting and that's turned out to be true (#18 in 3 pt shooting in ACC). I've said many times, the game of basketball is a lot easier if you can shoot


I've been surprised by:

3. Our good rebounding (#37 offensive rebounding, #2 in ACC). Sissoko, Rytis and Ola-Joseph are our best rebounders

4. how horribly bad our defense is (our BIGGEST problem - #17 in ACC)

HoopDreams said:

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I don't think it's necessarily Madsen's coaching, although sometimes it is and I thought he should have assembled a better coaching staff

I think the core issues are:

1. lack of continuity ... no power conference team in the nation has all new players in their top 10 rotation (#350 in player continuity)

2. shooting - before the season my concern was shooting and that's turned out to be true (#18 in 3 pt shooting in ACC). I've said many times, the game of basketball is a lot easier if you can shoot


I've been surprised by:

3. Our good rebounding (#37 offensive rebounding, #2 in ACC). Sissoko, Rytis and Ola-Joseph are our best rebounders

4. how horribly bad our defense is (our BIGGEST problem - #17 in ACC)

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You mean there's an ACC team whose defense is worse than ours? Who is it and are they still on our schedule?

HoopDreams said:

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I don't think it's necessarily Madsen's coaching, although sometimes it is and I thought he should have assembled a better coaching staff

I think the core issues are:

1. lack of continuity ... no power conference team in the nation has all new players in their top 10 rotation (#350 in player continuity)

2. shooting - before the season my concern was shooting and that's turned out to be true (#18 in 3 pt shooting in ACC). I've said many times, the game of basketball is a lot easier if you can shoot


I've been surprised by:

3. Our good rebounding (#37 offensive rebounding, #2 in ACC). Sissoko, Rytis and Ola-Joseph are our best rebounders

4. how horribly bad our defense is (our BIGGEST problem - #17 in ACC)

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I think it comes down to point guard recruiting. Retaining Askew and choosing Cone and Vlad. And now Blacksher Jr and Tucker. Think a lot of the issues stem from those choices. Wilkinson was a good find, and should be getting bulk of the minutes. I like Semetri Carr. Hopefully his size won't be as big as a liability as for Cone and Blacksher Jr.

Having Omot out indefinitely has really hurt on both sides.

RedlessWardrobe said:

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HoopDreams said:

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I don't think it's necessarily Madsen's coaching, although sometimes it is and I thought he should have assembled a better coaching staff

I think the core issues are:

1. lack of continuity ... no power conference team in the nation has all new players in their top 10 rotation (#350 in player continuity)

2. shooting - before the season my concern was shooting and that's turned out to be true (#18 in 3 pt shooting in ACC). I've said many times, the game of basketball is a lot easier if you can shoot


I've been surprised by:

3. Our good rebounding (#37 offensive rebounding, #2 in ACC). Sissoko, Rytis and Ola-Joseph are our best rebounders

4. how horribly bad our defense is (our BIGGEST problem - #17 in ACC)

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You mean there's an ACC team whose defense is worse than ours? Who is it and are they still on our schedule?

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Miami is worse
Boston college is bad too

We win both games at home

We win tomorrow, too… that's 3 wins, halfway to 14 wins total. Find me 3 more.

barsad said:

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We win tomorrow, too… that's 3 wins, halfway to 14 wins total. Find me 3 more.

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Unfortunately, that statement reminds me of something I heard a politician say about four years ago in Georgia.

We're not gonna find them, we're gonna have to achieve them.

bencgilmore said:

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No one likes it when I bring this up... But that looked like a tired team out there given the shooting woes. Traveling cross country for a wednesday game has consequences

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Our teams better find ways to get used to it. That goes for basketball and every other sport in the ACC with similar travel schedules.

I just heard a coach F bomb.