Could he handle it? If so he could play with Dorsey, Pertaitis, a hoped-for stretch 4 or two and we'd no longer suffer from size problems at both ends. This idea might make more (or less) sense after we see who our last transfers turn out to be.

This was brought up before. I vote no. My guess is MM thinks so as well.

I'm a "no" too… he's pretty much our only known scorer on the team, there's potential with the new guys, but Andrej has to give us those 30-point games if we're going to do better than .500 next season. Our PG has to focus on ball handling, assists and distributing fast around the perimeter. That's not him.

HoopDreams said:

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he should not be our PG, but at times he can bring the ball up against pressure and initiate the offense

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I believe he was doing this towards the end of last season, right?

In any event, I hope Andrej' goals for next season are similar to what mine would be for him:

+ improve his 3pt% (might need to clean up a glitch in his form, right around the release)
+ improve his consistency on defense (last season he used his length effectively... at times)
+ spot the open teammate better... improve APG by 2 (goal... that would be a lot)

I'm laughing at myself for making goals for him: the hoops brain trust around him might just know a bit more than I do!

Yes he did bring the ball up sometimes last year, and he should continue to do so.

I was responding to the post suggesting he should be our PG, which I disagree with except in the limited situation above

Big C said:

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HoopDreams said:

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he should not be our PG, but at times he can bring the ball up against pressure and initiate the offense

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I believe he was doing this towards the end of last season, right?

In any event, I hope Andrej' goals for next season are similar to what mine would be for him:

+ improve his 3pt% (might need to clean up a glitch in his form, right around the release)
+ improve his consistency on defense (last season he used his length effectively... at times)
+ spot the open teammate better... improve APG by 2 (goal... that would be a lot)

I'm laughing at myself for making goals for him: the hoops brain trust around him might just know a bit more than I do!

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ManBearLion123 said:

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Unless he makes a huge jump this offseason in this regard, Andrej lacks the vision and skills necessary to be a PG.

A more realistic option would be Pippen at the 1. He has good size for a PG.

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Isn't Ames a PG?

I am respectfully suggesting that my post here be the final post of this thread. AS is not going to be at the point. End of story.

Short answer: No

Longer answer: why would a guy who has trouble with his assist-to-turnover ratio be a good option for PG? He has a solid, but not amazing, handle with the ball. He can shoot outside but not lights out. And his value and ceiling as a wing SF/PF is so much higher. Not to mention that teams will sag off him from deep and go under on P&Rs in order to muddy passing lanes and force him into TOs as well as to entice him to shoot 3s where he's much less efficient than when he's in the paint or the post

Nolan Dorsey posted a video featuring his ball handling and passing

An experienced (senior) player with size (6-5) who can handle, pass and shoot is my guess for potential starting PG

Bearly Clad said:

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Short answer: No

Longer answer: why would a guy who has trouble with his assist-to-turnover ratio be a good option for PG? He has a solid, but not amazing, handle with the ball. He can shoot outside but not lights out. And his value and ceiling as a wing SF/PF is so much higher. Not to mention that teams will sag off him from deep and go under on P&Rs in order to muddy passing lanes and force him into TOs as well as to entice him to shoot 3s where he's much less efficient than when he's in the paint or the post

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Rather than learn a new position he needs to work on his 3 pt shot.

HoopDreams said:

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Nolan Dorsey posted a video featuring his ball handling and passing

An experienced (senior) player with size (6-5) who can handle, pass and shoot is my guess for potential starting PG

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Link? On his social?

I don't remember if it was IG or Twitter and if IG it might have been a reel which goes away in a day

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HoopDreams said:

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Nolan Dorsey posted a video featuring his ball handling and passing

An experienced (senior) player with size (6-5) who can handle, pass and shoot is my guess for potential starting PG

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Link? On his social?

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Oakbear said:

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this did not age well LOL

how about him just being at Cal??

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What do expect from an a x furd?

oskidunker said:

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Oakbear said:

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this did not age well LOL

how about him just being at Cal??

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What do expect from an a x furd?

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Madsen is a x Furd.

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oskidunker said:

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Oakbear said:

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this did not age well LOL

how about him just being at Cal??

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What do expect from an a x furd?

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Madsen is a x Furd.

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I know. Just wait.

Best coach we ever had was an x Furd. (As a coach, anyway.)

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Best coach we ever had was an x Furd. (As a coach, anyway.)

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Pete Newell was a Loyola Marymount alum.

But if you were referring to Mike Montgomery, he was a Long Beach State alum. He coached at Montana, Stanford and the Warriors before coaching at Cal.

Point is, Madsen is more a Furd than Andrej is.

For the record, Dick Kuchen attended Rider College and was inducted into their athletic Hall of Fame in 2005.

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I'm a "no" too… he's pretty much our only known scorer on the team, there's potential with the new guys, but Andrej has to give us those 30-point games if we're going to do better than .500 next season. Our PG has to focus on ball handling, assists and distributing fast around the perimeter. That's not him.

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I'd agree most with this.

I have questions about his handle. It is acceptable when he has an objective, like driving the lane, but he does seem to lose concentration sometimes, in the few games I have seen. I remember one game when he nearly lost his handle in the backcourt, and had to look down to see where the ball was. Fortunately there were no defenders nearby, and he was able to pick up his dribble again. This happened twice in that game.

I have little evidence, but he looks like a star who likes to receive a pass, and go to work against the defender, not someone who handles the ball and starts the play. Different mentality.

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If you re-read my comment, you'll see that I included the caveat "As a coach, anyway."

I wasn't saying he has a Furd degree. You downplay it, but Monty was at Furd for 18 years and is known as the man who turned their program into a national powerhouse before it got run into the ground by the coaches who followed him, much to our delight. I never saw a Newell-coached team so can't comment on it. But let's assume Monty is our 2nd best coach ever.

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With all due respect, (and I do respect you as I was addicted to Oscar's hot dogs, especially his cheese dog, a special order foot long creation with tomato sauce and relish, sold out of a little concrete block hut in a parking lot on Bancroft Ave, across the street from Boalt Hall, which was open until 1:00 AM in the Pete Newell era), I loved Montgomery and what he did for Cal, but Newell was the best coach Cal basketball ever had. Monty did win one Conference title at Cal, but did little in the NCAA. But he did "own" Dana Altman and the Oregon Ducks. He had a long tenure at Stanford, and may well have been the best coach Stanford had, although Howie Dallmar did win the NCAA one year, while Monty did get into one Final Four with Stanford, as I remember

Newell was a coach, but his mind was way ahead of the the rest of the game. He was an innovator on both offense and defense. He did stuff and thought about stuff before others did. He was the first, I believe, to promote the idea of raising the basket to 12 feet, because he foresaw the dunk taking over what was a team game. He was one of the first to promote the shot clock in college. He thought the game should be played faster, and he felt he would have won many more games if there was a shot clock, because his teams were so well prepared that they could get an easy open shot before the clock ran out. And he already had proved that very few teams could get a good open look against his defenses, even without the clock.

Newell won two national titles in a 10 year span, USF winning the NIT in 1949 (when the NIT was more prestigious than the NCAA). In six seasons at Cal, Newell won the Conference the last 4 years, winning the NCAA in '59, and NCAA Runner-up in 1960. Over those four years, Newell "owned" John Wooden and UCLA, winning 8 straight games against the Wizard of Westwood. Wooden would not win his first NCAA championship, until Newell quit coaching. He quit because he could not take the stress of coaching anymore. He had gastrointestinal disorders, chain smoked, and had insomnia. So that sense, both Montgomery and Wooden were more durable and able to take the stress and pressure of big time college ball for many more years than Newell. Newell went on to be AD at Cal, and then GM of the Lakers. He started his Big Man's camp, which lasted until well after he had passed away. A camp where young and older players, some famous stars, both men and women, came to learn techniques and footwork.

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barsad said:

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I'm a "no" too… he's pretty much our only known scorer on the team, there's potential with the new guys, but Andrej has to give us those 30-point games if we're going to do better than .500 next season. Our PG has to focus on ball handling, assists and distributing fast around the perimeter. That's not him.

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I'd agree most with this.

I have questions about his handle. It is acceptable when he has an objective, like driving the lane, but he does seem to lose concentration sometimes, in the few games I have seen. I remember one game when he nearly lost his handle in the backcourt, and had to look down to see where the ball was. Fortunately there were no defenders nearby, and he was able to pick up his dribble again. This happened twice in that game.

I have little evidence, but he looks like a star who likes to receive a pass, and go to work against the defender, not someone who handles the ball and starts the play. Different mentality.

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Who cares.. he is gone.

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You're right, I was a day late in finding out. I need to get up very early to get one up on anyone on this board. You have my humble apology.

There's a certain irony here. A thread that had no validity in the first place ultimately became a moot issue. Dare I say it's a "Cal thing"?