that is how I feel about it, back when I was a corporate type, I used to send in resumes to see what I possibly could get, my guess is most of those that rant about this have done the same.. it is BUSINESS now and expecting it to be any other way is just foolish, every day not just 4/1

The reason players like Dort, Pippen + Ames now have Portal value is that Mad Dog/Staff + Cal helped develop their game. In combination w/the opportunity to earn a Cal degree. Ideally the players would have some gratitude. But MBB today is 100% transactional. Players do not really value development or education. They tend to value $$$$...

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The reason players like Dort, Pippen + Ames now have Portal value is that Mad Dog/Staff + Cal helped develop their game. In combination w/the opportunity to earn a Cal degree. Ideally the players would have some gratitude. But MBB today is 100% transactional. Players do not really value development or education. They tend to value $$$$...

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When the difference in pay is significant and it is being reported that Ames and Pippen are looking at signifcant differences you will not get "gratitude". Would you stay at an employer if the difference was $500K or more?

That is what we are likely talking about here. A significant gap between what Cal can offer and what others are. What we are seeing with Ames and Pippen is different than what we saw with Ott and Jet in football. Cal was competitive (more than actually) with the football players but likely cannot compete with the offers for Ames and Pippen.

Small differences can perhaps be overcome. But large gaps will not be. My belief based on what I have read is the gap is large. When there are programs willing to pay well outside the market for a player or players Cal likely will not win out.

Are these $4 million guys?

If I sold two homes, I could afford one, maybe.

High schoolers at $300,00.00 for one year would be delicious beans.

Have them wear blue and gold capes for the intro. Make a spectacle of the situation.

The team offering Ames could decide to pay less once he is there. It has been done.

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6956bear said:

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DWM81 said:

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The reason players like Dort, Pippen + Ames now have Portal value is that Mad Dog/Staff + Cal helped develop their game. In combination w/the opportunity to earn a Cal degree. Ideally the players would have some gratitude. But MBB today is 100% transactional. Players do not really value development or education. They tend to value $$$$...

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When the difference in pay is significant and it is being reported that Ames and Pippen are looking at signifcant differences you will not get "gratitude". Would you stay at an employer if the difference was $500K or more?

That is what we are likely talking about here. A significant gap between what Cal can offer and what others are. What we are seeing with Ames and Pippen is different than what we saw with Ott and Jet in football. Cal was competitive (more than actually) with the football players but likely cannot compete with the offers for Ames and Pippen.

Small differences can perhaps be overcome. But large gaps will not be. My belief based on what I have read is the gap is large. When there are programs willing to pay well outside the market for a player or players Cal likely will not win out.

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Early in my career I was hired by an employer who hired a slew of very young professionals on the cheap. Our experience their dramatically increased our market value. They were clear they knew this and chose not to increase people's salary accordingly. For me personally, they loved me and my two bosses were clear they wanted me to have a long career there. The company still would not increase my salary accordingly keeping me on a track of 3-5% raises. I left for a 60% raise at a company that recognized my value and had more than doubled the salary from the old employer within 2 years without me asking. Literally everyone at my old employer left three years after being hired and they started the process again.

We didn't leave out of ingratitude any more than our employer didn't pay us for value received out of ingratitude. They were business decisions by both parties. But my point is that you can just as easily categorize Cal's unwillingness to pay as ingratitude regarding the contribution of the player. It is simply not what it is in either case.

I disagree with your characterization in the last line. It is not programs willing to pay well outside the market rate. This is the market rate. You can't tell me that Cal players just happen to be super lucky and get overpaid. I keep looking at hamburger at the store and thinking geez i remember it being $3 a pound. What a rip off! Well, that is market rate. I can adjust my mindset and pay it or I can eat beans.

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True enough that if even one program decides your value is over what everyone else believes then sure that becomes the market. Even if that number is a total outlier.

But my point was more regarding the idea of "gratitude". One can feel gratitude towards Cal for providing a platform to showcase their talents and providing support etc. But at the same time understand the value of a contract that is strongly positioned and hard to pass up. I would bet that Pippen and Ames have some real gratitude for what Cal and Madsen have allowed them to show. But the numbers are simply too big to ignore.

Cal likely won't be eating beans, but are unlikely to be eating Wagyu beef either. So choices have to be made. The choice of keeping Ames and Pippen at a high price point is not likely the best choice for the program. But they cannot settle for beans either when they likely have a budget that will allow for some tastier cuts.

Now the program has to hope that Madsen is a good and versatile chef. And see if he can cook up a menu that tastes much better than the ingredients suggest. Cal won't be Applebees but they are not likely to be House of Prime Rib either.

A good meal on a budget. I think it is possible. Madsen did a nice job this past season. With a set of ingredients few thought were as good as the ones they could no longer afford. Only 1 team will win a title. but lots of teams get to eat at the adult table. For now I think Cal fans will need to be ok with the stew that Madsen brings to the table. It won't be beans and it won't be Wagyu beef. But it might taste pretty good and satisfy most folks hunger.

BearlyCareAnymore said:

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6956bear said:

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DWM81 said:

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The reason players like Dort, Pippen + Ames now have Portal value is that Mad Dog/Staff + Cal helped develop their game. In combination w/the opportunity to earn a Cal degree. Ideally the players would have some gratitude. But MBB today is 100% transactional. Players do not really value development or education. They tend to value $$$$...

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When the difference in pay is significant and it is being reported that Ames and Pippen are looking at signifcant differences you will not get "gratitude". Would you stay at an employer if the difference was $500K or more?

That is what we are likely talking about here. A significant gap between what Cal can offer and what others are. What we are seeing with Ames and Pippen is different than what we saw with Ott and Jet in football. Cal was competitive (more than actually) with the football players but likely cannot compete with the offers for Ames and Pippen.

Small differences can perhaps be overcome. But large gaps will not be. My belief based on what I have read is the gap is large. When there are programs willing to pay well outside the market for a player or players Cal likely will not win out.

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Early in my career I was hired by an employer who hired a slew of very young professionals on the cheap. Our experience their dramatically increased our market value. They were clear they knew this and chose not to increase people's salary accordingly. For me personally, they loved me and my two bosses were clear they wanted me to have a long career there. The company still would not increase my salary accordingly keeping me on a track of 3-5% raises. I left for a 60% raise at a company that recognized my value and had more than doubled the salary from the old employer within 2 years without me asking. Literally everyone at my old employer left three years after being hired and they started the process again.

We didn't leave out of ingratitude any more than our employer didn't pay us for value received out of ingratitude. They were business decisions by both parties. But my point is that you can just as easily categorize Cal's unwillingness to pay as ingratitude regarding the contribution of the player. It is simply not what it is in either case.

I disagree with your characterization in the last line. It is not programs willing to pay well outside the market rate. This is the market rate. You can't tell me that Cal players just happen to be super lucky and get overpaid. I keep looking at hamburger at the store and thinking geez i remember it being $3 a pound. What a rip off! Well, that is market rate. I can adjust my mindset and pay it or I can eat beans.

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Don't eat beans. You'll be farting constantly.

Bobodeluxe said:

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High schoolers at $300,00.00 for one year would be delicious beans.

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bobo.. might wanna clean up the intended number, or not. signed, lurcksalot
btw.. tanks for throwback music

Scottie was at the away games at FSU and Miami, sitting with Mark's Dad, and then disappeared despite having been a regular at Haas previously. Could it be that Scottie-Justin were receiving tampering overtures that made him a lame duck at Cal?