Dominoes?

Y.e.s.

Monty does not get Frayer.

This is very good news!

SFBearz;842339497 said:

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Frayer has committed to Cal! Congrats!

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[SIZE=5]Congrats Oscar
Welcome to Cal !!!

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Local talent, keep 'em home! Great decision Oscar, as your family and friends will continue to enjoy your game. Kudos to Coach Martin and staff, and hope this is a beginning of a fruitful relationship with the Soldiers.

Great get for CM! It really starts with protecting your backyard and he's off to a nice start.

Wonder if this will help getting Raab?

Woof!

MiZery;842339534 said:

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Wonder if this will help getting Raab?

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That's the elephant in the room.

But welcome to Cal, Oscar! We couldn't be more excited to have you on board as a Golden Bear!

Triple Woof. This is what high energy 21st century recruiting looks like. Future so bright I gotta wear shades.

How can you not be impressed with what Cuonzo and staff have done in such a short period of time? I can't imagine a better hire for our program. The future looks very bright with CM & Co.

Welcome to Cal Oscar! Go Bears!

TheSouseFamily;842339555 said:

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How can you not be impressed with what Cuonzo and staff have done in such a short period of time? I can't imagine a better hire for our program. The future looks very bright with CM & Co.

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+1 I can't wait to see the results on the court.

MiZery;842339534 said:

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Wonder if this will help getting Raab?

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I'm guessing it can't hurt.

NYCGOBEARS;842339557 said:

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+1 I can't wait to see the results on the court.

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I can't believe _I_ am typing this but patience is the watch word of the day. Monty left some holes in the front court. Rooks ACL didn't help (but I also am not sure that, in the end, that won't be a silver lining as he can work on getting bigger, fitter and a good year of school without distractions. I expect us to have some pains next year. But compared to the old approach, which in the end I think reflected being of a much older generation, I love the energy, excitement and youthfulness of our MONSTER STAFF. Now if we could just go find a similar coach for gridiron in about 4 months when Sonny goes bye bye.

socaltownie;842339606 said:

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I can't believe _I_ am typing this but patience is the watch word of the day. Monty left some holes in the front court. Rooks ACL didn't help (but I also am not sure that, in the end, that won't be a silver lining as he can work on getting bigger, fitter and a good year of school without distractions. I expect us to have some pains next year. But compared to the old approach, which in the end I think reflected being of a much older generation, I love the energy, excitement and youthfulness of our MONSTER STAFF. Now if we could just go find a similar coach for gridiron in about 4 months when Sonny goes bye bye.

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I agree. We need to have realistic expectations for next year but it'll be nice to see how Cuonzo and staff meander through the challenges and reboot the program. I am seriously excited.

socaltownie;842339606 said:

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I can't believe _I_ am typing this but patience is the watch word of the day. Monty left some holes in the front court. Rooks ACL didn't help (but I also am not sure that, in the end, that won't be a silver lining as he can work on getting bigger, fitter and a good year of school without distractions. I expect us to have some pains next year. But compared to the old approach, which in the end I think reflected being of a much older generation, I love the energy, excitement and youthfulness of our MONSTER STAFF. Now if we could just go find a similar coach for gridiron in about 4 months when Sonny goes bye bye.

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I think you have the right title for your next thread, "MONSTER STAFF", CUZ they are bringing it!

NYCGOBEARS;842339511 said:

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Monty does not get Frayer.

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Monty got commitments from players ranked in the 60's before for Cal. The problem was too many Plan C guys.

powripp;842339700 said:

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Monty got commitments from players ranked in the 60's before for Cal. The problem was too many Plan C guys.

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My comment was based on Monty's poor relationships with the Oakland Soldiers and his aversion to recruiting from their ranks.

NYCGOBEARS;842339711 said:

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My comment was based on Monty's poor relationships with the AAU and his aversion to recruiting from their ranks.

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All of Cal's decent prospects play AAU basketball. Your complaint is more specifically with the lack of Oakland Soldiers that came to Cal. My concern is more with getting more Top 50 talent into the program. Getting 50-100 talent into the program has not been a problem, even in the Monty years.

powripp;842339714 said:

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All of Cal's decent prospects play AAU basketball. Your complaint is more specifically with the lack of Oakland Soldiers that came to Cal. My concern is more with getting more Top 50 talent into the program. Getting 50-100 talent into the program has not been a problem, even in the Monty years.

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I've amended my post to better articulate my point. Of course, you are correct. Quality depth has been the issue.

SFBearz;842173550 said:

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Frayer is # 25 in Scout's initial 2016 rankings:

http://scouthoops.scout.com/a.z?s=75&p=9&c=4&cfg=bb&pid=88&yr=2016

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He has slipped to #45 in Scout's current rankings and he is not in ESPN's Top 60. Reality check for the board.

Chapman_is_Gone;842339720 said:

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He has slipped to #45 in Scout's current rankings and he is not in ESPN's Top 60. Reality check for the board.

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East coast bias. I am sure he will drop further now that committing to Cal and not a "blue chip" program.

Going to say it again, there is NO WAY the economics (what would be the revenue stream????!!???) supports an objective and systematic evaluation of these players. How could you have HUNDREDS of scouts, on payroll, to go out and grade these guys and distinguish between #59 and #61? Heck, I doubt they have money for Freeconferenceall.com to get the guys together to grade out and set the rankings. Just impossible....and about a NANOSECOND of thinking about how you would try to pay an Orinda mortgage with Scout's business model brings it starkly home.

So lets be in the right ball park. Oscar is likely in Bird-like. A great recruit. Top 10 kid? No. That is Rabb. But you can do JUST FINE AND DANDY in today's NCAA with a roster of Bird like players. Monty's problem, as noted above, was too many plan C kids because rather than land 2 or 3 Bird-level kids we were hitting 1 ever 2 years.

#monsterstaff

Chapman_is_Gone;842339720 said:

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He has slipped to #45 in Scout's current rankings and he is not in ESPN's Top 60. Reality check for the board.

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Reality Check? Top 45 is still excellent and his sophomore highlight video tells me all I need to know about our new ultra-athletic wing.

Watch the video for yourself, I don't remember many wings with this kind of bounce heading to Cal recently. and

It's easy to see why he just missed averaging 4 blocks a game as a wing.

NYCGOBEARS;842339652 said:

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I agree. We need to have realistic expectations for next year but it'll be nice to see how Cuonzo and staff meander through the challenges and reboot the program. I am seriously excited.

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+1

at least this staff is recruiting like crazy.. maybe the football staff should shadow Yanni.

Chapman_is_Gone;842339720 said:

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He has slipped to #45 in Scout's current rankings and he is not in ESPN's Top 60. Reality check for the board.

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This changes everything.

socaltownie;842339728 said:

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Going to say it again, there is NO WAY the economics (what would be the revenue stream????!!???) supports an objective and systematic evaluation of these players. How could you have HUNDREDS of scouts, on payroll, to go out and grade these guys and distinguish between #59 and #61?

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Which makes dropping 20 places all the more unlikely. Should he go back to being in the top 25 and pick up a 5th star like Bird you can bet this board will be even more giddy.

IMO, the best news from this pickup is that Cal has once again tapped into the Soldier's program.

socaliganbear;842339762 said:

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This changes everything.

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Reality... Checked.

NYCGOBEARS;842339511 said:

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Monty does not get Frayer.

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I call BS. A lot of posters assume this to be true, but from what I've read he loved Decuire and they were very much in it for him under Monty.

antipattern;842339784 said:

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I call BS. A lot of posters assume this to be true, but from what I've read he loved Decuire and they were very much in it for him under Monty.

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I call BS on your BS call. Monty offered and maybe he signs him this early or maybe not. Given Monty's recruiting history at Cal and his relationship to the Soldiers, I don't believe he would've.

Regardless, Cuonzo did sign him early and according to Jim's article it was explicitly because of how comfortable Frayer and his AAU coach were with THIS staff.

NYCGOBEARS;842339786 said:

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I call BS on your BS call.

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I call double BS, no take backs, no reversies!

I can't quote what I read because it's on a competing site, but it seemed to indicate that he was seriously considering us under the previous staff.

antipattern;842339791 said:

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I call double BS, no take backs, no reversies!

I can't quote what I read because it's on a competing site, but it seemed to indicate that he was seriously considering us under the previous staff.

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Lol. I amended my post above.

antipattern;842339791 said:

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I call double BS, no take backs, no reversies!

I can't quote what I read because it's on a competing site, but it seemed to indicate that he was seriously considering us under the previous staff.

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I don't doubt that we were in his top 5 under the previous regime. Seen that before...