Might be a good idea for the NIT:headbang

it's not the defense. We need somebody like Gary Colson under Campanelli to give us an offense. That air ball 3 by Wallace near the end of the game said it all.

So goes Cal.

GOCAL73;842289836 said:

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it's not the defense. We need somebody like Gary Colson under Campanelli to give us an offense. That air ball 3 by Wallace near the end of the game said it all.

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That shot was bad I couldn't believe it wasn't him losing the handle on the shot.

GOCAL73;842289836 said:

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it's not the defense. We need somebody like Gary Colson under Campanelli to give us an offense. That air ball 3 by Wallace near the end of the game said it all.

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My memory of Wallace's air ball 3 was that he had an open look. He just missed it by three feet.

Not sure why he missed, but not sure someone could come in and "give us an offense" will help us us with open three pointers that end up being air balls.

I can see an ill-advised, off balance, or rushed 3 missing by that much, but when a guy has the time to line up the shot, with no defensive pressure and misses by 2'-3'???

Not even Ty can miss that bad, if he is playing with rhythm and confidence.

What is it about this group? Ty's shot is only symbolic of the collective malaise of this team.

I thought offensively we played the strangest, most uncomfortable game.

Just stunning...

Go Bears!

oskidunker;842289830 said:

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Might be a good idea for the NIT:headbang

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I thought you were going to say Campanelli was willing to help Montgomery get his coaching fire back.

We need more of this:



And less of this:

Cal Geek;842289905 said:

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My memory of Wallace's air ball 3 was that he had an open look. He just missed it by three feet.

Not sure why he missed, but not sure someone could come in and "give us an offense" will help us us with open three pointers that end up being air balls.

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My best guess as to why Wallace missed the open 3 so badly is that he had stepped out of bounds before taking the shot. He's thinking, "Crap, I just stepped out bounds." His mind is listening for the whistle, which hasn't come, and he's so busy praying that the refs missed him stepping out of bounds that he is totally distracted from what he needs to do to come close to hitting that shot.

I dunno, I think I've seen plenty of fire on the sideline this year. Obviously, though, something isn't working.

82gradDLSdad;842289919 said:

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I thought you were going to say Campanelli was willing to help Montgomery get his coaching fire back.

We need more of this:



And less of this:

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Big C_Cal;842289947 said:

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I dunno, I think I've seen plenty of fire on the sideline this year. Obviously, though, something isn't working.

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Monty appears quite competitive to me, despite the results we are lately seeing.

I would be surprised if he wanted this year's team to be the signature on his swan song.

Go Bears!

fire is not the problem. the team is too tense and not relaxed enough. that would explain why mistakes or missed shots undo them so badly.

GOCAL73;842289836 said:

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it's not the defense. We need somebody like Gary Colson under Campanelli to give us an offense. That air ball 3 by Wallace near the end of the game said it all.

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Airballing a 3 when you are open has nothing to do with not having an offense.

Cal Geek;842289905 said:

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My memory of Wallace's air ball 3 was that he had an open look. He just missed it by three feet.

Not sure why he missed, but not sure someone could come in and "give us an offense" will help us us with open three pointers that end up being air balls.

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The airball by Jabari was much worse. Ball slipped out of his hand, and he missed the shot by about 20 feet. I can't remember ever seeing a shot like that.

It isn't just one guy. The team is in a funk offensively, and it all starts at the defensive end. The defense was atrocious in the Utah game. So many switches with our players losing sight of who they should be guarding, which resulted in easy baskets, or open driving lanes for easy baskets. If you can dig down inside and play tough D, you can weather your offensive slumps during a game.

GOCAL73;842289836 said:

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it's not the defense. We need somebody like Gary Colson under Campanelli to give us an offense. That air ball 3 by Wallace near the end of the game said it all.

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YOu mean the one where they ran a play perfectly and got a wide open shot? That was just a bad shot, not a bad offensive scheme.

Gary Colson. LOL.

CALiforniALUM;842289889 said:

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That shot was bad I couldn't believe it wasn't him losing the handle on the shot.

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I had a buddy that had Warrior season tickets during the Manute Bol era. My friend had such a booming voice you could hear his woofing throughout the Oakland arena. From time to time,with no warning and for no reason, Manute would launch a hook or a set shot from deep trey zone. My friend would scream "AT LEAST HIT THE APPARATUS!" Bol heard him. That statement has crossed my mind during Cal games more than a few times lately.

CALiforniALUM;842289889 said:

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That shot was bad I couldn't believe it wasn't him losing the handle on the shot.

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I think it was just he miss handled the shot
When someone is rebuilding their shot it sometimes happens because your shooting form isn't instinctive yet, so your trying to get the right shooting form on your shot and you just misfire

Unfortunately I've done that more than once while rebuilding my shooting form

When he shot it I immediately knew why he missed so bad, but of course when others see this they can't understand how a shot can be so off

HoopDreams;842290336 said:

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I think it was just he miss handled the shot
When someone is rebuilding their shot it sometimes happens because your shooting form isn't instinctive yet, so your trying to get the right shooting form on your shot and you just misfire

Unfortunately I've done that more than once while rebuilding my shooting form

When he shot it I immediately knew why he missed so bad, but of course when others see this they can't understand how a shot can be so off

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What is both sobering and troubling is that the guy, with the shot that badly needs rebuilding, a shot not yet close to being adequately rebuilt, is taking a critical 3 with the game on the line. And that this same guy, who clearly is a warrior, but a most problematic long distance shooter, has taken more than 25% more 3's than the guy with the next highest 3 attempts, who shoots 3's substantially better.

I am not blaming anybody for this, but it does demonstrate the difficulty of winning games with guys who really are erratic, unreliable shooters.

south bender;842290345 said:

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What is both sobering and troubling is that the guy, with the shot that badly needs rebuilding, a shot not yet close to being adequately rebuilt, is taking a critical 3 with the game on the line. And that this same guy, who clearly is a warrior, but a most problematic long distance shooter, has taken more than 25% more 3's than the guy with the next highest 3 attempts, who shoots 3's substantially better.

I am not blaming anybody for this, but it does demonstrate the difficulty of winning games with guys who really are erratic, unreliable shooters.

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You're right. But it's happening because he is the most frequently open shooter not named Cobbs. What's frustrating to me is that Cobbs so often passes up open shots. Both Wallace and Solomon complained that team members were concerned about their own performance over the team's. I wonder if the complaint refers to Cobb's desire to break the assist record-- and in so doing, he passes up shots.

Bearprof;842290351 said:

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....Both Wallace and Solomon complained that team members were concerned about their own performance over the team's....

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My guess is Wallace doesn't think his teammates are feeding him the rock enough. Next year when he has even more seniority we are going to find out exactly where his head is at. The speculation will end. By the way, Cobbs is the most team oriented player on the team. I would happily reallocate 50% of Wallace's touches to Cobbs.

Wallace gets a lot of touches, I don't think he could ask for more touches.

bearister;842290355 said:

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My guess is Wallace doesn't think his teammates are feeding him the rock enough. Next year when he has even more seniority we are going to find out exactly where his head is at. The speculation will end. By the way, Cobbs is the most team oriented player on the team. I would happily reallocate 50% of Wallace's touches to Cobbs.

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Interesting guess, but I sort of doubt it. I also don’t think Cobbs is the most team-oriented player on the team, but he is still very team-oriented. I think Kreklow and Singer are the most team-oriented, if the definition is passing up open shots. Both would rather make a pass for an assist than take a shot.

Interesting speculation about Wallace next year. Many fans have him penciled in at the point guard spot for next season, which means he will get at least one touch in just about every possession after an opponent basket. I still worry about his out of control drives to the hoop, which often look spectacular, but at least just as often end up badly.

Next year, if Ty Wallace moves to the off guard spot, which is not as likely, and he has not improved his shooting, then we have the same situation that we have now, a shooting guard who does not shoot very well. It is puzzling that Montgomery has said in the past that you can’t have your worst three point shooter taking most of your threes for you, and yet he still gives Wallace the green light, apparently, because he has shot many more threes than anyone else on this team. (I know Cobbs is shooting threes at a lower percentage than Wallace, but I’d prefer that Cobbs take more that Wallace. Wallace’s misses are worse than Cobbs’ misses, and usually result in long caroms off the rim, or airballs, leading to Cal losing the rebound.)

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oskidunker;842289830 said:

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Might be a good idea for the NIT:headbang

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The only advice Lou could give Monty would be the importance of having a "super recruiter" on your staff. Lou had Bozeman and before that Sherman Dillard. When Dillard left recruiting went down the proverbial shi*t*r." So, Lou realized without a guy who could really recruit. I will say ir a different recruiting landscape and Monty won't play the games that perhaps he needs to?

SFCityBear;842290944 said:

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Interesting guess, but I sort of doubt it. I also don't think Cobbs is the most team-oriented player on the team, but he is still very team-oriented. I think Kreklow and Singer are the most team-oriented, if the definition is passing up open shots. Both would rather make a pass for an assist than take a shot.

Interesting speculation about Wallace next year. Many fans have him penciled in at the point guard spot for next season, which means he will get at least one touch in just about every possession after an opponent basket. I still worry about his out of control drives to the hoop, which often look spectacular, but at least just as often end up badly.

If he is not the point guard, which seems unlikely, and if he does not improve over the summer, you have the same situation as this year, a shooting guard who does not shoot well. It is puzzling that Montgomery has said in the past that you can't have your worst three point shooter taking most of your threes for you, and yet he still gives Wallace the green light, apparently, because he has shot many more threes than anyone else on this team. (I know Cobbs is shooting threes at a lower percentage than Wallace, but I'd prefer that Cobbs take more that Wallace. Wallace's misses are worse than Cobbs' misses, and usually result in long caroms off the rim, or airballs, leading to Cal losing the rebound.)

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SFCB, at the start of your last paragraph, don't you intend to say it is unlikely Ty will be our point guard?

Go Bears!

south bender;842290954 said:

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SFCB, at the start of your last paragraph, don't you intend to say it is unlikely Ty will be our point guard?

Go Bears!

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Thanks. My English got discombobulated. What I meant to say was that "Next year, if Ty Wallace moves to the off guard spot, which is not as likely, and he has not improved his shooting, then we have the same situation that we have now, a shooting guard who does not shoot very well. I'll edit.

SFCityBear;842290944 said:

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Interesting guess, but I sort of doubt it. I also don't think Cobbs is the most team-oriented player on the team, but he is still very team-oriented. I think Kreklow and Singer are the most team-oriented, if the definition is passing up open shots. Both would rather make a pass for an assist than take a shot.

Interesting speculation about Wallace next year. Many fans have him penciled in at the point guard spot for next season, which means he will get at least one touch in just about every possession after an opponent basket. I still worry about his out of control drives to the hoop, which often look spectacular, but at least just as often end up badly.

Next year, if Ty Wallace moves to the off guard spot, which is not as likely, and he has not improved his shooting, then we have the same situation that we have now, a shooting guard who does not shoot very well. It is puzzling that Montgomery has said in the past that you can't have your worst three point shooter taking most of your threes for you, and yet he still gives Wallace the green light, apparently, because he has shot many more threes than anyone else on this team. (I know Cobbs is shooting threes at a lower percentage than Wallace, but I'd prefer that Cobbs take more that Wallace. Wallace's misses are worse than Cobbs' misses, and usually result in long caroms off the rim, or airballs, leading to Cal losing the rebound.)

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It's funny, as exasperated as I get with Wallace, I rarely get mad at him when he fails to finish a drive. I think he is very talented close to the basket. He has the hops and a nice touch in close........and is aggressive.

south bender;842289912 said:

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I can see an ill-advised, off balance, or rushed 3 missing by that much, but when a guy has the time to line up the shot, with no defensive pressure and misses by 2'-3'???

Not even Ty can miss that bad, if he is playing with rhythm and confidence.

What is it about this group? Ty's shot is only symbolic of the collective malaise of this team.

I thought offensively we played the strangest, most uncomfortable game.

Just stunning...

Go Bears!

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In the Cal game vs. ASU IIRC Ty had a similar airball when there was ZERO pressure. At the time I thought that Ty tightened up when he was so open. I thought he would have done better if there had been some pressure on him for the shot.

bearister;842291011 said:

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It's funny, as exasperated as I get with Wallace, I rarely get mad at him when he fails to finish a drive. I think he is very talented close to the basket. He has the hops and a nice touch in close........and is aggressive.

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I agree with you on Wallace's good points, but I dunno. I remember one recent drive of his in the half court offense (I can't remember if it was against Utah or Colorado), where he had a big right in front of him about 10 feet away, and he just drove right at him and crashed into him and got called for the charge. What was the point of that drive? Did he actually expect the big to get out of his way and give him a lane to the bucket? To get called for an offensive charge nowadays, with these rules, you have got to be out of control, stubborn, or just plain dumb.

Plus, Wallace gets caught up in the air way too often with nowhere to go. The way to the basket is blocked, his shot is about to get blocked, and nobody else is open. This is one of the cardinal sins, and I'm not talking about Stanford. You never get up in the air without a good plan and its options.

Montgomery is telling him and his teammates to get out on the break, get the ball down the floor as fast as you can and take it to the basket. He is telling them that because we have a lot of trouble scoring in our half court offense. So I don't fault Wallace much when he is driving on the fast break, one on one to take it to the basket, even if he is out of control, because he often recovers and scores. But in the halfcourt offense, driving into the paint where there is no lane, and he is going to get doubled by his man and a big or two, it is a low percentage play.

Finally, I don't like to see too many drives from him in the half court, because he does get fouled on a lot of those drives, and he does not make enough of his foul shots.

On the other hand, he is just a kid, a sophomore, and is likely to get better over the next two years. I'm rooting for him to figure things out.


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