Hook Shot Demonstration by Meadowlark Lemon

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Forget the three. This is the kind of shot that used to impress the fans years ago.

Meadowlark Lemon used to demonstrate this shot in many Globetrotter games at halftime. In 1962, near the end of the first half in a game at the Oakland Auditorium, I saw him make a hook like this from a point where the half court line meets the sideline, a distance of 49 feet. The great Connie Hawkins said that he first thought Meadowlark's hook shot was pure luck. Then he saw Meadowlark make 5 in a row, and he became a believer. Bob "Showboat" Hall could make them too.

Here is a short Meadowlark game clip:

http://www.meadowlarklemon.org/videos/meadowlark-lemon-basketball-footage/

And a short hook shot demo clip:

http://www.meadowlarklemon.org/videos/meadowlark-lemon-hook-shot/

Enjoy
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Meadowlark's hook shot was even more accurate than Connie Dierking's or Johnnie Kerr's.
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[video=youtube;j_4ukdSm6Iw][/video]

Lemon was great, Jabber was exceptional and other-worldly.
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SFCityBear;842501032 said:

Forget the three. This is the kind of shot that used to impress the fans years ago.

Meadowlark Lemon used to demonstrate this shot in many Globetrotter games at halftime. In 1962, near the end of the first half in a game at the Oakland Auditorium, I saw him make a hook like this from a point where the half court line meets the sideline, a distance of 49 feet. The great Connie Hawkins said that he first thought Meadowlark's hook shot was pure luck. Then he saw Meadowlark make 5 in a row, and he became a believer. Bob "Showboat" Hall could make them too.

Here is a short Meadowlark game clip:

http://www.meadowlarklemon.org/videos/meadowlark-lemon-basketball-footage/

And a short hook shot demo clip:

http://www.meadowlarklemon.org/videos/meadowlark-lemon-hook-shot/

Enjoy


These are my questions on the hook shot and on the jump hook as well which was a lot more prevalent even 20 years ago. Once mastered, they were extremely difficult to defend. But there has to be a reason why almost no one uses it anymore. If anyone thinks it is because players today don't work as hard I think they are just wrong. Players today specialize earlier and they play year round from an early age. The top players have brutal workout regimens. You don't get to the NBA without taking your craft seriously. I also don't believe it is because kids think dunks are cooler. There is a lot of cash and, maybe more important, dreams riding on being the best any way you can. If a guy can score as effectively as Kareem, NBA teams will fall all over themselves to get him.

I have two guesses, and I acknowledge they are guesses:

1. The rules and officiating have changed. They let guys bang each other like crazy now. Maybe a shot that requires touch is just not as effective with a 7 footer slamming you from behind vs. going directly to the rim.

2. With all the things a basketball player has to do - between physical workouts and learning other aspects of the game, it just isn't worth the practice time it requires to master. It is like Bill Walsh's attitude with the running back screen - to be an effective play you just need to spend too much practice time on it - time he'd rather spend doing something else.

But in a country of 300 million people, if it were still the most effective way to be an effective player in the NBA, SOMEBODY would do it. There has to be a reason no one does.
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beelzebear;842501059 said:


Lemon was great, Jabber was exceptional and other-worldly.


Jabbar was the greatest, but those are only 10-15 footers. Meadowlark could knock 'em down regularly from 40-50 feet. Both types of hooks are a lost art.
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OaktownBear;842501115 said:

I have two guesses, and I acknowledge they are guesses:

1. The rules and officiating have changed. They let guys bang each other like crazy now. Maybe a shot that requires touch is just not as effective with a 7 footer slamming you from behind vs. going directly to the rim.

2. With all the things a basketball player has to do - between physical workouts and learning other aspects of the game, it just isn't worth the practice time it requires to master. It is like Bill Walsh's attitude with the running back screen - to be an effective play you just need to spend too much practice time on it - time he'd rather spend doing something else.

But in a country of 300 million people, if it were still the most effective way to be an effective player in the NBA, SOMEBODY would do it. There has to be a reason no one does.


I would add that there may be something about hand size and finger length that may reduce the pool of effective practitioners. Monty loved the shot and got quite a number of Cal players to make effective use of it in pretty short order. Not at the Kareem level, but enough to make it effective against the likes of Cal's competition.

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Kareem was just awesome.
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OaktownBear;842501115 said:

These are my questions on the hook shot and on the jump hook as well which was a lot more prevalent even 20 years ago. Once mastered, they were extremely difficult to defend. But there has to be a reason why almost no one uses it anymore. If anyone thinks it is because players today don't work as hard I think they are just wrong. Players today specialize earlier and they play year round from an early age. The top players have brutal workout regimens. You don't get to the NBA without taking your craft seriously. I also don't believe it is because kids think dunks are cooler. There is a lot of cash and, maybe more important, dreams riding on being the best any way you can. If a guy can score as effectively as Kareem, NBA teams will fall all over themselves to get him.

I have two guesses, and I acknowledge they are guesses:

1. The rules and officiating have changed. They let guys bang each other like crazy now. Maybe a shot that requires touch is just not as effective with a 7 footer slamming you from behind vs. going directly to the rim.

2. With all the things a basketball player has to do - between physical workouts and learning other aspects of the game, it just isn't worth the practice time it requires to master. It is like Bill Walsh's attitude with the running back screen - to be an effective play you just need to spend too much practice time on it - time he'd rather spend doing something else.

But in a country of 300 million people, if it were still the most effective way to be an effective player in the NBA, SOMEBODY would do it. There has to be a reason no one does.


No one shoots a Kareem sky hook nor has anyone in many years. That shot appears to be very difficult to master. Many players do shoot jump hooks, such as Tim Duncan, Pau Gasol, and even, every once in a while, Andrew Bogut. With the changes in the illegal defense rules it is harder to get the space needed to get the shot off.

From an analytics perspective, I am not sure the hook shot is a good shot. The shooter is more or less never going to be fouled and it takes the shooter out of position to get an offensive rebound. Take those two possibilities out of the equation and you better hit them at a very high rate. It is probably not a good shot except very late in the shot clock.

I don't think that is why it has declined. I think that it goes with the decline in overall post play. Culture matters.

Sluggo
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sluggo_Cal;842501144 said:

No one shoots a Kareem sky hook nor has anyone in many years. That shot appears to be very difficult to master. Many players do shoot jump hooks, such as Tim Duncan, Pau Gasol, and even, every once in a while, Andrew Bogut. With the changes in the illegal defense rules it is harder to get the space needed to get the shot off.

From an analytics perspective, I am not sure the hook shot is a good shot. The shooter is more or less never going to be fouled and it takes the shooter out of position to get an offensive rebound. Take those two possibilities out of the equation and you better hit them at a very high rate. It is probably not a good shot except very late in the shot clock.

I don't think that is why it has declined. I think that it goes with the decline in overall post play. Culture matters.

Sluggo


+1 on difficult to master, especially against top talent. It's a fairly complex shot when you factor in the fade that Jabbar added. Someone else mentioned Jabbar had unusual grace and fluidity and that's true. His sky hook was part ballet move, part pivot with...and he only shot it at full jump extension and finished it with a flick of the wrist. Look at his foot work - most centers simply don't have the kind of coordination or footwork. It was unstoppable because of the height he got and swing/pivot. Only a few people ever blocked his sky hook; Wilt and Bol among them.

The craziest sky hook was from the baseline, and some from behind the backboard.
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shaq had the opportunity to learn it and choose not to
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I saw Curly Oneal throw those same hooks from the half court corner at the oak coliseum in the late 70's, so I hear ya, SFCityBear. Good stuff!
However, he dialed it in by shooting 15 of em, there was nobody guarding him. Hell, I could make shots off the diving board back home!
Kareem had defenders, so there is no comparison.
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Tommy Heinsohn running hook anyone???
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burritos;842501135 said:

Kareem was just awesome.


He is also a wise man:

http://www.esquire.com/news-politics/news/a24745/kareem-how-to-become-a-man/

http://www.esquire.com/news-politics/news/a22394/kareem-things-i-wish-i-knew/
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taxbear;842501043 said:

Meadowlark's hook shot was even more accurate than Connie Dierking's or Johnnie Kerr's.


My favorite for hook shots was Jerry Lucas. Bob McKeen was no slouch either. Magic Johnson had what he called "the baby sky hook". I seem to remember a playoff game where Kareem was hurt, and Magic played center and went off for 40 points or something, many of those buckets coming off his baby sky hook.
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Cliff Hagan
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concordtom;842501221 said:

I saw Curly Oneal throw those same hooks from the half court corner at the oak coliseum in the late 70's, so I hear ya, SFCityBear. Good stuff!
However, he dialed it in by shooting 15 of em, there was nobody guarding him. Hell, I could make shots off the diving board back home!
Kareem had defenders, so there is no comparison.


Kareem almost never had any defenders. Bill Russell had retired the year before Kareem arrived, and Chamberlain was past his prime. Kareem said the Warriors' Nate Thurmond was the best defender he ever faced. No one else was very close to Thurmond.
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GB54;842502243 said:

Cliff Hagan


Meaning no disrespect to you at all, Hagan may have had a hook shot, but he was a racist bastard.

Freddie LaCour, perhaps the best player to ever come out of San Franciso, was drafted by the Hawks, a team which included Hagan and Bob Petit as the big stars. In those days the team’s players were segregated in restaurants and hotels. Hagan was a Southerner from Kentucky, hated Blacks, and rode LaCour mercilessly both physically with dirty play in practice and verbally with tirades using the N-word. In games he ignored him, and would not pass him the ball. Growing up in San Francisco, LaCour never had to face racism like he saw with Hagan and in the South of that era. After two years of Hagan abusing LaCour and disrupting the team, the Hawks decided to trade LaCour to the Warriors. If it was not for the friendship of Bob Petit, LaCour would not have even lasted two years. As it was, it really affected LaCour emotionally, and he never played well in the NBA and in 3 years he was gone. He lived a troubled life until he died tragically at age 34 of cancer. The irony of the whole affair was that LaCour was not Black, he was a Creole.
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going4roses;842501211 said:

shaq had the opportunity to learn it and choose not to

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Shaq felt the same way about free throws, too.
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SFCityBear;842502264 said:

Meaning no disrespect to you at all, Hagan may have had a hook shot, but he was a racist bastard.

Freddie LaCour, perhaps the best player to ever come out of San Franciso, was drafted by the Hawks, a team which included Hagan and Bob Petit as the big stars. In those days the team's players were segregated in restaurants and hotels. Hagan was a Southerner from Kentucky, hated Blacks, and rode LaCour mercilessly both physically with dirty play in practice and verbally with tirades using the N-word. In games he ignored him, and would not pass him the ball. Growing up in San Francisco, LaCour never had to face racism like he saw with Hagan and in the South of that era. After two years of Hagan abusing LaCour and disrupting the team, the Hawks decided to trade LaCour to the Warriors. If it was not for the friendship of Bob Petit, LaCour would not have even lasted two years. As it was, it really affected LaCour emotionally, and he never played well in the NBA and in 3 years he was gone. He lived a troubled life until he died tragically at age 34 of cancer. The irony of the whole affair was that LaCour was not Black, he was a Creole.


Interesting. Auerbach drafted Hagan, traded him to the Hawks with Ed McAuley for the draft rights to Bill Russell. He also drafted Frank Ramsey from KY, the same year as Hagan. Ramsey got along well with Russell.

He had a killer hook shot.
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BeachedBear;842501134 said:

I would add that there may be something about hand size and finger length that may reduce the pool of effective practitioners. Monty loved the shot and got quite a number of Cal players to make effective use of it in pretty short order. Not at the Kareem level, but enough to make it effective against the likes of Cal's competition.

:gobears:


The basic hook shot is relatively easy to learn, and as you pointed out a good coach like Montgomery could teach a hook shot to his players in a relatively short time. I think the reason you don't see the hook shot much now is that the game has changed to a game of muscle and force. The players today all like to jump, and the majority of players are leapers, some extraordinary leapers. At great risk to themselves, they throw caution to the winds, and try to jump up and over everyone else to score. You can't get up very high by taking off on one foot, like for a hook shot or a layup. So they spend most of their playing careers taking off on two feet. Even the defenders jump in the air to block shots, which in the past would earn a rebuke from your coach.

The hook shot is made for the player who can't jump very high. It is highly accurate. The basic hook shot is taken by releasing the ball directly over the shoulder, with your shoulders in line with the basket as you take off straight up on the opposite foot. The shot is unblockable by a player of the same height as the shooter. The reason is that you have the entire width of your body, plus the length of your shooting arm all between defender and the ball. He just can't get close to the ball to block it. If you face a taller player, instead of taking off straight up, you can take off and fade away from the defender as you shoot the shot. I'm short and I used a hook shot all through high school and years after, and never had one blocked. None of my teammates had their hooks blocked either.

The thing one has to develop in using this hook shot is court awareness. With your back to the basket, you have to know approximately where the basket is, and where your defender is, because you are not going to look at the basket, until the very last second when you are releasing the ball. When I was growing up, some players could not learn this, so they turned toward the basket early, and almost faced the basket when they released the shot. That is a shot which could be blocked, so most of us players considered such a style of shooting to be ineffective, and it was not popular, even ridiculed when I played. Kareem changed everything about the hook shot. He was such a spectacular athlete, that he could almost face the basket but could get away without getting his shot blocked, by having such height, such long arms, and jumping ability that he could attain an almost superhuman release point for a shot.

Then along came the jump hook, which I never liked. Maybe because I was not a good athlete, and the shot seems to require great coordination to combine jumping with hooking, all while almost facing the basket. I think as long as players love to jump, you won't see a return of the basic hook shot, just as you are seeing the disappearance of the layup, which is also a bad idea. By taking off on one foot, you get to the basket much quicker than if you take off on two feet off a jump stop.

I think if players who don't have much jumping ability want to be able to compete in modern basketball, then one way would be to learn the basic hook shot. Too bad we don't have some film clips of Bob McKeen to show how easy it was to shoot and learn. He couldn't jump very high, but he made All-American, much of it based on his accuracy with the hook shot.
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SFCityBear;842502254 said:

Kareem almost never had any defenders. Bill Russell had retired the year before Kareem arrived, and Chamberlain was past his prime. Kareem said the Warriors' Nate Thurman was the best defender he ever faced. No one else was very close to Thurman.


This is a very good video. First Jabbar had 10 years on Wilt and Wilt admitted Jabbar was the best center at the time...but like Russell, now Wilt had the better teammates. And Wilt shut down Jabbar. Would have loved to see both go head-to-head in the primes. I'd bet on Wilt but it would be very close. BTW, Bill Russell is the TV analyst on some of it. Around 6:30 they show Wilt blocking half a dozen shots. Must have freaked out Jabbar.

The first 3:33 is all Jabbar, where he dominated Wilt. The rest of the video is the turn around, Wilt shows up and shuts down Jabbar. You just don't see this today, two 7-footers go head to head, averaging big points and big rebounds.

[video=youtube;L2U4JSrpO78][/video]
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I think that playoff game when Magic played center was the clincher for the Lakers and it was in Magic's rookie season. Pretty darned impressive for a rookie point guard!

I remember Lucas more for his odd jump shot, which he released down by his abdomen but which was also very rarely blocked. He also had (and probably still has) an unbelievable memory, which he trained.
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"You just don't see this today, two 7-footers go head to head, averaging big points and big rebounds. "

Yeah, but I sure would like to see it, at least, in practice at Haas this year...sigh
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taxbear;842502499 said:

I think that playoff game when Magic played center was the clincher for the Lakers and it was in Magic's rookie season. Pretty darned impressive for a rookie point guard!

I remember Lucas more for his odd jump shot, which he released down by his abdomen but which was also very rarely blocked. He also had (and probably still has) an unbelievable memory, which he trained.


Lucas was a fine shooter, as a 6'-8" center, often going up against taller players. He averaged 62.4% in his college career, and 50% in the NBA. He led the NBA in FG% his rookie season at 52.7%. He scored 16 against Cal in the 1960 NCAA final, on 78% shooting.
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taxbear;842502499 said:

I think that playoff game when Magic played center was the clincher for the Lakers and it was in Magic's rookie season. Pretty darned impressive for a rookie point guard!

I remember Lucas more for his odd jump shot, which he released down by his abdomen but which was also very rarely blocked. He also had (and probably still has) an unbelievable memory, which he trained.



I don't know who you remember taxbear, but Lucas shot the ball off to the side, directly off his shoulder but his release was anything but low....he released the ball quite high.....as a kid I used to try to shoot with his form but the off center release was not easy to replicate for me....take a look at some youtube clips and you'll see what I mean....
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I remember him using an odd release that I recalled being low (my statement about it being down by his abdomen was hyperbole). Thanks.
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SFCityBear;842502264 said:

Meaning no disrespect to you at all, Hagan may have had a hook shot, but he was a racist bastard.

Freddie LaCour, perhaps the best player to ever come out of San Franciso, was drafted by the Hawks, a team which included Hagan and Bob Petit as the big stars. In those days the team's players were segregated in restaurants and hotels. Hagan was a Southerner from Kentucky, hated Blacks, and rode LaCour mercilessly both physically with dirty play in practice and verbally with tirades using the N-word. In games he ignored him, and would not pass him the ball. Growing up in San Francisco, LaCour never had to face racism like he saw with Hagan and in the South of that era. After two years of Hagan abusing LaCour and disrupting the team, the Hawks decided to trade LaCour to the Warriors. If it was not for the friendship of Bob Petit, LaCour would not have even lasted two years. As it was, it really affected LaCour emotionally, and he never played well in the NBA and in 3 years he was gone. He lived a troubled life until he died tragically at age 34 of cancer. The irony of the whole affair was that LaCour was not Black, he was a Creole.


His Wiki page suggests the opposite--good PR? Revisionist history? I mean if Wiki says something, it must be true, right? Right?

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Hagan achieved renown and respect well after his career ended, when David Halberstam wrote in his classic book The Breaks of the Game that Hagan was the only white star on the Hawks who welcomed African American teammates like Lenny Wilkens to the team and did not treat them with prejudice.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cliff_Hagan
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MSaviolives;842502861 said:

His Wiki page suggests the opposite--good PR? Revisionist history? I mean if Wiki says something, it must be true, right? Right?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cliff_Hagan


Well, Wiki often has biased or incorrect information, but I heard the story from a very close personal friend of Fred LaCour, George P., who grew up across the street from Freddie, and played lots of basketball with him and Tom Meschery. George visited Freddie in the hospital right before his death at age 34. I'll try and have lunch with George in a few days, and see if I at least heard his story right. I'll let you know.

Here is an article which touches on the trouble Fred had with the Hawks. Reportedly, Lenny Wilkins said that "the (Hawks) veterans were tough on the rookies".

http://www.smdailyjournal.com/articles/lnews/2014-01-02/fred-lacour-gifted-but-flawed-hoops-legend/1776425115823.html

If you are interested in LaCour, here is another article, from the program for the 1956 Chuck Taylor North-South High School All-American game played in Kentucky, where LaCour won the MVP award. It is interesting that no Black player, including Oscar Robertson, was ever allowed to play in those All-Star games. Over the years, one Native American, one Hispanic, and LaCour, a French Creole, were the only minority players invited to play in the game. LaCour, as a two-time Mr. Basketball in California, was the first Californian ever invited to play in the North-South All Star game.

http://www.bigbluehistory.net/bb/NorthSouth/fred_lacour.html
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The San Mateo DJ article was interesting and sad. The first paragraph of it made my head spin, however.

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Fred LaCour. The name is all but forgotten today. But he is one of just two Bay Area high school basketball stars ever to be named California's Mr. Basketball in two consecutive years. Archbishop Mitty of San Jose's Aaron Gordon and St. Joseph's of Alameda's Jason Kidd are the others.


Now I stopped my math education after calculus, so my math skills are not exceptional, but...WTF?
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MSaviolives;842502971 said:

The San Mateo DJ article was interesting and sad. The first paragraph of it made my head spin, however.



Now I stopped my math education after calculus, so my math skills are not exceptional, but...WTF?



This is sports reporting, and doesn't require great intellect. At least they could spell in those days, unlike today. Interesting that all three players played for parochial schools.
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GB54;842502272 said:

Interesting. Auerbach drafted Hagan, traded him to the Hawks with Ed McAuley for the draft rights to Bill Russell. He also drafted Frank Ramsey from KY, the same year as Hagan. Ramsey got along well with Russell.

He had a killer hook shot.


I spoke with Fred LaCour's friend and he confirmed that Hagan and LaCour did not get along at all, which my friend had assumed was because Hagan was a Southerner, and probably it was racism on Hagan's part. He can't confirm that, so I was really wrong to accuse Hagan of that, and I apologize to you and anyone else whom I might have offended with that remark about Hagan being racist. I should have checked further before I wrote such a thing.
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MSaviolives;842502861 said:

His Wiki page suggests the opposite--good PR? Revisionist history? I mean if Wiki says something, it must be true, right? Right?



http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cliff_Hagan


Many thanks to you for pointing this out. Today, Fred LaCour's friend who had told me the story, could not confirm that Hagan was racist, only that Hagan and LaCour did not get along at all. I apologize to you and everyone for writing something like that about a famous player which was likely not true.
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