so is this guy worth an offer? He scored 25 and 30 pts against us. The 30 pt performance came after Brown and Martin mentioned him by name after the first game. His listed offers include St Mary's, LSU, and WSU. He is a 6-2 SG.

If we don't take him, he'll enroll at WSU and drop 25 on us again.

BearBackerinLA;842528703 said:

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so is this guy worth an offer? He scored 25 and 30 pts against us. The 30 pt performance came after Brown and Martin mentioned him by name after the first game. His listed offers include St Mary's, LSU, and WSU. He is a 6-2 SG.

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You can NEVER have too many great shooters !! At the end of the day, games are always decided by outscoring the opponent.
Guys who are great shooters stretch the defense and create space or opportunities for teammates. HELL YES, we should offer !!
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BearBackerinLA;842528703 said:

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so is this guy worth an offer? He scored 25 and 30 pts against us. The 30 pt performance came after Brown and Martin mentioned him by name after the first game. His listed offers include St Mary's, LSU, and WSU. He is a 6-2 SG.

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CM can't mention him by name due to NCAA rules. Referred to him briefly but not by name

Tough one. Clearly the guy is a player, his #'s beyond scoring are quite good as well. However, he's 6'1" SG whose unlikely to fit Cuonzo's defensive first scheme.

I suspect others have been on him far longer than we have as well. He's 2016 and we have our SG in Jolly and our SF in Frayer. We want a PG and perhaps a big. Not sure where he fits

If he could play PG, it'd be a no-brainer. I'm indifferent about it. Sure, the guy can shoot it, but you don't just take a guy without a plan for how to use them. Can he defend, and at what position?

can he make his free throws?

84%

http://www.foxsportspulse.com/team_info.cgi?c=1-3363-150604-345137-20161522&a=STATS

BearBackerinLA;842528742 said:

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84%

http://www.foxsportspulse.com/team_info.cgi?c=1-3363-150604-345137-20161522&a=STATS

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Unfortunately, that link also shows very inefficient shooting percentages from the field and 3Pt. Seems like he played better in the 12 games in the prior season (percentages you'd expect from what he did against us.)

2015 season and career stats for CoE's games in SEABL league (same league as Frankston):

http://www.foxsportspulse.com/team_info.cgi?action=PSTATS&pID=197755277&client=1-3363-150604-345137-20161522

This is his stats with the National Team at the U-17/18/19 level:

http://archive.fiba.com/pages/eng/fa/player/p/pid/109119/sid/6224/tid/239/_//index.html

Ukrainian;842528732 said:

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You can NEVER have too many great shooters !! At the end of the day, games are always decided by outscoring the opponent.
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actually, yes you can...its basketball, you can't roll the dice on a scholarship like you can in football. Also, coming off of the recruiting year that the staff put together, you have to trust that they are actually getting in on some great players....maybe ones that can shoot AND be taller than 6-2?? Defensively, that's a real question mark, and "question marks" on defense and Martin do not go together...

Limit of 13 scholarship is a real problem. This year we have at least two players (Chauca and Roger) on the roster that, knowing what we know now, we wouldn't give a scholarship to. Therefore, the staff probably will be very careful with scholarships.

I would think their strategy will be holding off until Spring because:
. If Rabb, Brown (and maybe Bird) have a great year and leave early for NBA, most likely Cal has had a great year and can go after big-time recruits to replace them.
. If Rabb, Brown and Bird don't have such a great year, they probably stay one more year which means we are already maxed out in our scholarships (and maybe have to scramble to come up with room for both Jolly and Fryer) because we have only one senior (Wallace) on the scholarship roster.

Go Bears!

I think Chauca has a role on this team, if not this year, next year when Wallace graduates
Singer will be the primary point, or the primary backup point depending on who we bring in, but Chauca would be a junior, and any new PG will of course be a freshmen

CalHoopFan;842528735 said:

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Tough one. Clearly the guy is a player, his #'s beyond scoring are quite good as well. However, he's 6'1" SG whose unlikely to fit Cuonzo's defensive first scheme.

I suspect others have been on him far longer than we have as well. He's 2016 and we have our SG in Jolly and our SF in Frayer. We want a PG and perhaps a big. Not sure where he fits

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Not sure where he fits either with Jolly committed. I'd place the need for a big above a pg- don't see how an immediate impact big wouldn't be the top priority given the possibility of Rabb going pro and being thin at the 4/5 with Rabb.

calbear80;842528782 said:

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Limit of 13 scholarship is a real problem. This year we have at least two players (Chauca and Roger) on the roster that, knowing what we know now, we wouldn't give a scholarship to. Therefore, the staff probably will be very careful with scholarships.

I would think their strategy will be holding off until Spring because:
. If Rabb, Brown (and maybe Bird) have a great year and leave early for NBA, most likely Cal has had a great year and can go after big-time recruits to replace them.
. If Rabb, Brown and Bird don't have such a great year, they probably stay one more year which means we are already maxed out in our scholarships (and maybe have to scramble to come up with room for both Jolly and Fryer) because we have only one senior (Wallace) on the scholarship roster.

Go Bears!

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While you may be right about Roger, Chauca has a role as the designated long range bomber... I could see him getting a situational 10 min pg.... emphasis on situational...

Dejan is following Yann on twitter ...

https://twitter.com/DejanMv

nice find...Yanni be like "hee hee"

calbear80;842528782 said:

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Limit of 13 scholarship is a real problem. This year we have at least two players (Chauca and Roger) on the roster that, knowing what we know now, we wouldn't give a scholarship to. Therefore, the staff probably will be very careful with scholarships.

I would think their strategy will be holding off until Spring because:
. If Rabb, Brown (and maybe Bird) have a great year and leave early for NBA, most likely Cal has had a great year and can go after big-time recruits to replace them.
. If Rabb, Brown and Bird don't have such a great year, they probably stay one more year which means we are already maxed out in our scholarships (and maybe have to scramble to come up with room for both Jolly and Fryer) because we have only one senior (Wallace) on the scholarship roster.

Go Bears!

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News flash: there is no IF when it comes to Brown and NBA.

Agree with your points; however, the danger is, of course, that big-time targets sign in November.

UrsaMajor;842533748 said:

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Agree with your points; however, the danger is, of course, that big-time targets sign in November.

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Like Jaylen Brown and Ivan Rabb?

concordtom;842533702 said:

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News flash: there is no IF when it comes to Brown and NBA.

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It may not be a big talent question...but more of his wanting two years of the college experience.

mbBear;842534163 said:

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It may not be a big talent question...but more of his wanting two years of the college experience.

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Very good point. Anyone familiar with the latest NCAA rules on insurance? I recall that they have changed frequently over the years and can't keep up. In Jaylen's case - he seems like he could be in the 9-figure career earnings category - so every year in college is a much different financial decision than it is for almost any other student athlete and almost every other student.

mbBear;842534163 said:

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It may not be a big talent question...but more of his wanting two years of the college experience.

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Or $10 million from the NBA experience?

bar20;842534295 said:

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Or $10 million from the NBA experience?

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Most would say yes, but Brown doesn't seem to be too concerned with what most are doing.

"Australian standout Dejan Vasiljevic -- who dropped 55 points on Cal in a game this summer -- is among the college game's next wave of international stars."

article is for subscribers only.
http://insider.espn.go.com/blog/ncbrecruiting/on-the-trail/insider/post?id=14466

also see the video at the 01:18 mark:
http://espn.go.com/video/clip?id=13614554

Dejan scored 55 pts against us in *two* games, not one.

BearBackerinLA;842539973 said:

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"Australian standout Dejan Vasiljevic -- who dropped 55 points on Cal in a game this summer -- is among the college game's next wave of international stars."

article is for subscribers only.
http://insider.espn.go.com/blog/ncbrecruiting/on-the-trail/insider/post?id=14466

also see the video at the 01:18 mark:
http://espn.go.com/video/clip?id=13614554

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this has his photo on the ESPN Men's Bball recruiting page:

http://espn.go.com/college-sports/basketball/recruiting/index?topId=13615385

BearBackerinLA;842539973 said:

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"Australian standout Dejan Vasiljevic -- who dropped 55 points on Cal in a game this summer -- is among the college game's next wave of international stars."

article is for subscribers only.
http://insider.espn.go.com/blog/ncbrecruiting/on-the-trail/insider/post?id=14466

also see the video at the 01:18 mark:
http://espn.go.com/video/clip?id=13614554

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Based on this scouting report from the article, I'm not sure he fits given the number of 2016 schollies available...

Vasiljevic is a combo guard who is built like an Aussie Rules Football player. He has average quickness and athleticism and is a streak shooter but relies heavily on his outstanding screen-and-roll acumen. In that regard, and because he is an intense competitor, he reminds me of a smaller Matthew Dellavedova. He’s a solid role player at the highest level or, potentially, a mid-major star.

someone agrees with you ...

"Dejan Vasiljevic, an undersized but aggressive guard, led them in scoring with 18 points. His game was reminiscent of Cleveland Cavaliers role-player and fellow Aussie, Matthew Dellavedova."

http://www.thenational.ae/sport/other/australian-phenoms-fend-off-the-french-attacks-in-dubai

philbert;842540048 said:

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Based on this scouting report from the article, I'm not sure he fits given the number of 2016 schollies available...

Vasiljevic is a combo guard who is built like an Aussie Rules Football player. He has average quickness and athleticism and is a streak shooter but relies heavily on his outstanding screen-and-roll acumen. In that regard, and because he is an intense competitor, he reminds me of a smaller Matthew Dellavedova. He’s a solid role player at the highest level or, potentially, a mid-major star.

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remember our Aussie friend Dejan who scored 55 pts against us in two games? Louisville is on him now. Dejan is planning recruiting visits in Dec and Jan. Is Cal one of the stops? I would think St Mary's would be on his visit list, given that they already offered him. He is also set to announce his top 5 schools ...

bar20;842534295 said:

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Or $10 million from the NBA experience?

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That's $100 million Bro'

we should offer him...

interesting that he follows Coach Martin and a Stanford recruiting guy on twitter. At one time he also followed Yann.