0 Assists?

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ShajMaster12
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I heard Charlie Moore had 0 assists, but that has to be a mistake? I just watched the ESPN highlights and he makes a pass to Domingo who hits a 3 without dribbling. Isn't that an assist? So he's got at least one.

[URL="http://www.espn.com/video/clip?id=18069610"][U]Here's the ESPN video[/U][/URL]. If you look at the 50 second mark, there's the play I am talking about.
Yogi1
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Scorer made a mistake
BeachedBear
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Mark Twain probably would not have called that a Lie or even a Damn Lie.

(agree that it was scorer error).
seattlebear02
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Whether it's 0 or 1 assist...it does not matter to me. Honestly, a lot of people on this board are making SUCH a big deal over Moore not having more assists vs UCI as if he is not a team player and is some sort of ball hog. I ask if those people actually watched the game. Moore carried us on offense while no one else was a legitimate scoring threat. Singer and Domingo are inconsistent shooters. We all know this. Rooks and Kingsley could not handle several of Moore's passes, and on top of this Rooks got fouled several times on a few plays set up by Moore. Moore could've easily had 4-5 assists. We'll see what happens when Bird, Mullens, and Rabb get back in the lineup and I suspect you will see more assists from Moore.

Lastly, if you watch Moore's high school clips you will see someone who is a willing passer and team player. Love this kid's potential.
bearmanpg
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I'm biting my nails to nubs waiting for SFCity to retrieve the stats from 1958 that proves Charlie Moore is a ball hog because he took 20 shots and got 0 assists....maybe we should start a pool to guess when he will chime in....
SonomaBear
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"making such a big deal" is probably an overstatement. Any regular posters understand the situation with it being Charlie's 2nd game. Nevertheless, 38 points and 0 assists is an interesting point guard line and merits discussion.
UrsaMajor
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And that Bobby Wendell would totally destroy him...

Actually, if you watch the game, you notice that if Domingo makes some jumpers when open, or Rooks doesn't get fouled on shots, Charlie winds up with around 6-7 assists. All the pg can do is make the pass; he can't finish as well.
puget sound cal fan
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Moore's HS and AAU videos do show him as very capable, clever and productive passer. His court vision, perimeter shooting touch and ability to penetrate off the dribble, make it possible for him to be as dynamic a set-up man as he is a scorer. Can't Cuonzo and Wyking devise drills to soften Kam's hands so he can take advantage of Moore's ability to get him the ball. Brutal! Though Rooks does a good job on put-backs.
NVBear78
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Geez people, don't comment on this if you weren't at the the game:

Irvine fouled our bigs every time we got the ball inside taking away multiple assist chances.

Our bigs fumbled or didn't anticipate multiple great inside passes resulting in no assists.

Moore had to score because nobody else could.
HoopDreams
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good catch. yes that was an assist, and a good one at that.
classic zone offense assist


ShajMaster12;842763404 said:

I heard Charlie Moore had 0 assists, but that has to be a mistake? I just watched the ESPN highlights and he makes a pass to Domingo who hits a 3 without dribbling. Isn't that an assist? So he's got at least one.

[URL="http://www.espn.com/video/clip?id=18069610"][U]Here's the ESPN video[/U][/URL]. If you look at the 50 second mark, there's the play I am talking about.
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NVBear78;842763536 said:

Geez people, don't comment on this if you weren't at the the game:

Irvine fouled our bigs every time we got the ball inside taking away multiple assist chances.

Our bigs fumbled or didn't anticipate multiple great inside passes resulting in no assists.

Moore had to score because nobody else could.


Absolutely. My buddy and I have a stat we call "SHBA" -- should have been assist. We counted at least half a dozen.
Rxrg09b
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NVBear78;842763536 said:

Geez people, don't comment on this if you weren't at the game.


Yeah sure you're so right. Ridiculous comment.
bluesaxe
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You don't have to be there to see what's what. I watched on tv. I could see the same thing.

NVBear78;842763536 said:

Geez people, don't comment on this if you weren't at the the game:

Irvine fouled our bigs every time we got the ball inside taking away multiple assist chances.

Our bigs fumbled or didn't anticipate multiple great inside passes resulting in no assists.

Moore had to score because nobody else could.
dgong
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NVBear78;842763536 said:

Geez people, don't comment on this if you weren't at the the game:

Irvine fouled our bigs every time we got the ball inside taking away multiple assist chances.

Our bigs fumbled or didn't anticipate multiple great inside passes resulting in no assists.

Moore had to score because nobody else could.


NV,

I understand why you are catching flak for your "attendance" comment, and while it's true that watching the game on the tube should be enough to understand the low number of official assists from Charlie, being at the game itself, I and the folks around me could tell that for most of the second half no Cal player on the floor wanted the ball and were happy to let Moore do his thing.

As Ursa said earlier if Mingo hits a few more shots, or our bigs hold onto a pass, or somebody other than Don Coleman wanted to shoot, SFCity would have his beloved stats.
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dgong;842763707 said:

NV,

I understand why you are catching flak for your "attendance" comment, and while it's true that watching the game on the tube should be enough to understand the low number of official assists from Charlie, being at the game itself, I and the folks around me could tell that for most of the second half no Cal player on the floor wanted the ball and were happy to let Moore do his thing.

As Ursa said earlier if Mingo hits a few more shots, or our bigs hold onto a pass, or somebody other than Don Coleman wanted to shoot, SFCity would have his beloved stats.


Not sure why NV took umbrage to this OP. The point was not the merits of Charlie having 0 assists, it was just to point out that he technically did have at least 1 assist.

From my read of some of the comments on other threads, for the most part I don't see any real concern with Charlie not getting any assists for whatever reason because of the special night he had.
jyamada
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KoreAmBear;842763718 said:

Not sure why NV took umbrage to this OP. The point was not the merits of Charlie having 0 assists, it was just to point out that he technically did have at least 1 assist.

From my read of some of the comments on other threads, for the most part I don't see any real concern with Charlie not getting any assists for whatever reason because of the special night he had.


The Cal Bears website box score shows Moore with 1 assist.
LOUMFSG2
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Charlie Moore is a very willing and capable passer. Once we get healthy, I don't think assists are going to be a problem for our young point guard
NVBear78
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NVBear78;842763536 said:

Geez people, don't comment on this if you weren't at the the game:

Irvine fouled our bigs every time we got the ball inside taking away multiple assist chances.

Our bigs fumbled or didn't anticipate multiple great inside passes resulting in no assists.

Moore had to score because nobody else could.




My apologies for sounding so chippy! I don't think Charlie will have any trouble at all dropping dimes all season long. Can't wait to see him drive and dish when Rabb and Bird are back! Heck, Kam Rooks had a career high including many put backs and even a few where he caught the pass off of Sam's drive and dish and this bodes well for the future.
south bender
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LOUMFSG2;842763765 said:

Charlie Moore is a very willing and capable passer. Once we get healthy, I don't think assists are going to be a problem for our young point guard


Yes, his passing is a strength. Not to worry.

Go Bears!
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seattlebear02;842763435 said:

Whether it's 0 or 1 assist...it does not matter to me. Honestly, a lot of people on this board are making SUCH a big deal over Moore not having more assists vs UCI as if he is not a team player and is some sort of ball hog. I ask if those people actually watched the game. Moore carried us on offense while no one else was a legitimate scoring threat. Singer and Domingo are inconsistent shooters. We all know this. Rooks and Kingsley could not handle several of Moore's passes, and on top of this Rooks got fouled several times on a few plays set up by Moore. Moore could've easily had 4-5 assists. We'll see what happens when Bird, Mullens, and Rabb get back in the lineup and I suspect you will see more assists from Moore.

Lastly, if you watch Moore's high school clips you will see someone who is a willing passer and team player. Love this kid's potential.


I agree with nearly all the comments here. Other than himself, the only fairly reliable option Moore had was Rooks. We don't run back door cuts or things that would give all players a chance at an open layup, and many of our assists come from passing to a three-point shooter, and our two best were out injured. Without watching up close and personal, I can't fault our post men for not being able to handle a pass from Moore. An assist takes two or more players to accomplish. The last two seasons, one of my gripes was that big men are slower, and usually are not skilled or not capable of handling a three-foot pass from a quick guard in the lane, and we were trying to make too many of those three-foot passes, which were usually fumbled by the big. The point is Moore needs time to get to know where to get the ball to Rooks where Rooks likes to have it, and the same for KO and Ivan and the rest, and they need to learn how to position themselves for those passes. It is a team game.

Still, Moore did have Bird and Mullins for games one and two, and Moore had only one assist in each of those games. The assist part of the game comes with players getting familiar with each other, and is not likely to be consistent in the early season. The individual part of the game, creating your shot and making the shot, is something you can learn by yourself in the schoolyard after everyone has gone home. All the flashy assists you see Moore make in his high school tapes are assists he is likely making with teammates that he has some familiarity with, maybe a few years of familiarity. He is new to his Cal teammates, and his assists will probably come with time.
SFCityBear
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NVBear78;842763536 said:

Geez people, don't comment on this if you weren't at the the game:

Irvine fouled our bigs every time we got the ball inside taking away multiple assist chances.

Our bigs fumbled or didn't anticipate multiple great inside passes resulting in no assists.

Moore had to score because nobody else could.


Since you went to the game, did you see the play where Rooks was standing about 2 feet to the right of the basket, and Singer took what looked like a pull up jumper, but the ball went directly to Rooks, and he put the ball in the basket? That looked like a pass on TV, but color man Ben Braun announced that it was a putback or tip in. Then they showed the view from a camera behind the basket, and Rooks was about two feet right of the basket where he caught the pass. Granted, Sam Singer is not our best shooter, but even he would not shoot a 12 footer that went two feet wide of the basket. I think it was a brilliant pass, nice and soft, up there where no one but Rooks could catch it for an easy two. That should have been an assist for Singer, but I don't think he got credit for one.
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SFCityBear;842763983 said:

Since you went to the game, did you see the play where Rooks was standing about 2 feet to the right of the basket, and Singer took what looked like a pull up jumper, but the ball went directly to Rooks, and he put the ball in the basket? That looked like a pass on TV, but color man Ben Braun announced that it was a putback or tip in. Then they showed the view from a camera behind the basket, and Rooks was about two feet right of the basket where he caught the pass. Granted, Sam Singer is not our best shooter, but even he would not shoot a 12 footer that went two feet wide of the basket. I think it was a brilliant pass, nice and soft, up there where no one but Rooks could catch it for an easy two. That should have been an assist for Singer, but I don’t think he got credit for one.


I missed that one. Good for Sam and for Kam!

Just as he was almost infinitely inferior to Monty as a coach, apparently he is not close to Monty in the booth. But not many are...

Go Bears!
SFCityBear
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UrsaMajor;842763472 said:

And that Bobby Wendell would totally destroy him...


Ha. That's funny. If only we could roll back the clock, or play these matchups with rules both players grew up with. Then I'd pay to see Bobby Wendell vs Charlie Moore in a scrimmage, or better yet, see them in the same backcourt at Cal. Unfortunately, Charlie Moore plays in an era where palming and crossovers are all but fully legal, and that would give Charlie a huge advantage over Bobby. Bobby was about 5'-8" and the starting point guard for the 1960 NCAA runner up Bears, and made his living guarding bigger point guards and stopping them cold. Bobby was a great shooter in practice or in scrimmages, but could not score over big guards in games. Charlie is a much better shot, and is quicker than Bobby, but I think Bobby could show Charlie a thing or two on defense. If palming is not allowed, Charlie would not get 38 points off Bobby. Maybe 12 points. Allow palming, and Charlie might get 50. Bobby was the best dribbler I ever saw in those years of great Cal teams, and didn't need to palm the ball. You know how when teams try a full court press and the offensive teams bring players up to help out? No need to with Bobby. He would just dribble through any press by himself. No full court press, no double team could steal the ball from him. But destroy Moore? That is just silly, and you knew that. Still, it gave me the chance to write about a fine Cal player who ran a team that came up one game short of an NCAA title. A player not many on this forum ever saw play. One of the best defenders in Cal history. Charlie Moore has half the Cal career that Bobby had, and I'll be happy.
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I think, SFCB, you will be happy with Charlie.

Though I first wondered about him and his readiness to start at the point, there is no question he is ready to play and lead the Bears. Ii have seen nothing about his game that I dislike, so far. 15 of 17 free throws. When was the last time we saw the likes of this from a Bear? Even putting that aside, his performance was amazing and in no way was he forcing it. I was remarking to my son that I often thought he was passing the ball too much, even while he piled up all those second half points. He has a quiet confidence that does in no way demean or freeze out his teammates at the offensive end of the court.
HoopDreams
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what he said...

south bender;842764064 said:

I think, SFCB, you will be happy with Charlie.

Though I first wondered about him and his readiness to start at the point, there is no question he is ready to play and lead the Bears. Ii have seen nothing about his game that I dislike, so far. 15 of 17 free throws. When was the last time we saw the likes of this from a Bear? Even putting that aside, his performance was amazing and in no way was he forcing it. I was remarking to my son that I often thought he was passing the ball too much, even while he piled up all those second half points. He has a quiet confidence that does in no way demean or freeze out his teammates at the offensive end of the court.
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