The loss of the Wallace threat contributed to this as well as Matthews threat gone.

tsubamoto2001;842825133 said:

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He pretty much made his way into the college game the same way Bozeman did--through the AAU scene.

Also, I don't give one iota what players think when hiring a new coach.

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This is totally different from Bozeman who proved himself by coaching the team to the sweet sixteen. It was only later that he was caught cheating in recruiting. My first choice was Musselman, second choice Bennett, third choice the guy at Irvine, fourth choice Pasternak. Well, at least Wyking was not my last choice. I would rather give a young guy a chance than hire someone who has proven that he cannot build a program over the long term such as Gottfried, Lavin, Crean or a lot of the other names thrown around.

Jason kidd was the coach. Bozeman was bad. Evidenced by the loss to Wisc Greenbay.

Yes. But we went from having two creators who could draw defenders to them, to no creators and a shortage of shooters. That accounts for the post drop-off more than lack of development.

Also, Cal didn't have a noticeable offensive scheme under Cuonzo. The problem wasn't just a lack of shooters.

I hope the mindless weave is gone

TheSouseFamily;842825137 said:

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Defensively things were good but offensively things in the post degraded significantly this year. Rabb's FG% fell from 62% to 48%, Okoroh's FG% fell from 61% to 50% and Rooks' fell from 59% to 55%. Multiple reasons for that but it's hard to say that post play "improved greatly" with those numbers.

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A big part of that for Rabb was that he was the primary focus of defenses this year, something he was not last year. As for Okoroh, he only took 33 shots all of last year compared to 127 this year, so that 61% is based on a very small (almost insignificant) sample. Kameron Rooks only took 82 shots last year and 75 shots this year so the difference statistically in FG% is only about 3 shots. And defensively both King and Kam were much better this year than last imo.

philbert;842824991 said:

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Did they tell you anything else of interest?

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Not really. But they are never going to call up and say "we settled for XYZ coach." It's always going to be phrased as "we got our guy."

Actually one thing the AD mentioned was that Jones was one of the big reasons behind our recent recruiting successes - more than Cuonzo. So there's that I suppose.

tsubamoto2001;842825133 said:

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Also, I don't give one iota what players think when hiring a new coach.

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So open minded of you, considering that they're the ones most affected by the decision.

But then, I imagine the players don't give a **** what you think either.

NewYorkCityBear;842825208 said:

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So open minded of you. I imagine the players don't give a **** what you think either.

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The players shouldn't affect the decision of any AD worth their salt. He or she should be able to evaluate the prospects of a candidate without being influenced by people that have a bias toward a particular candidate.

tsubamoto2001;842825209 said:

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He or she should be able to evaluate the prospects of a candidate without being influenced by people that have a bias toward a particular candidate.

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You mean like your bias toward a particular candidate?

tsubamoto2001;842824830 said:

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If Wyking is the guy, it's an uninspired hire. The reason to promote an assistant is for continuity of success. We were an NIT team. You could sell me on Gates or Pasternack or even SAR. All that said, we'll see.

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it must be nice to be able to predict the future .. frankly, I think in some ways it is an inspired hire, he has a lot going for him.. but he is not a brand name and some people only like brand names.. my hope is he becomes a brand name

Sup guys I just got here..it's page 11. So my thoughts..umm...I feel like I did when we hired Dykes. Did Cal use a search firm for this?

tsubamoto2001;842824887 said:

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Cal is the laughingstock of the nation right now.

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Oh get over yourself

NewYorkCityBear;842825210 said:

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You mean like your bias toward a particular candidate?

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Lol, I knew you'd respond with something like this.

Don't you think that everyone has a bias to their own choice? Isn't the job of the AD to understand whose bias to believe? Players know many things about coaches that an AD could find useful. I am not suggesting that the players actually choose anybody, but to think the players' input is useless is naive.

BearNecessities;842825213 said:

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Oh get over yourself

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Seriously, no one else cares.

Uthaithani;842825074 said:

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It's not just that he's unqualified, he's a proven bad coach. Was anybody paying attention to the underperformance and poor player development under Cuonzo? Did anybody notice how much better Mathews did AWAY from Cal?? Why would anyone have hope the lousy assistant of a lousy coach is going to do a BETTER job??

Williams made a terrible hire. Any idiot can see that.

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I'm still processing the hire, so I'm not commenting postively or negatively, but Mathews shooting percentage is worse, his three point percentage is worse = under 40% , his free throw percentage is by far the worst of his career - down over 6.5 percentage points, and his points are way down. Rebounds and assists about the same. His performance significantly degraded at Gonzaga. So this tells me you aren't really seriously analyzing this but going with truthiness.

Uthaithani;842825061 said:

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Worst hire in Cal MBB history, after the worst hiring process in Cal sports history.

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You obviously haven't been a Cal fan that long to think that.

tsubamoto2001;842825214 said:

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Lol, I knew you'd respond with something like this.

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Why - Because it's impossible to not see the irony in your statement?

If a member of the current staff is in the running for the HC position it would seem an obvious thing, imo, to at least find out what the players thought of that person. That doesn't mean they choose the coach, but a reasonable person would at least take them into account. Just like taking into account donors, former team members, and angry BI posters.

BerkeleyBAT;842824933 said:

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Hell, if reading BI or any of the other sites guided my actions, I would have burned all my Cal gear long ago. This fan base is so ridiculously whiny and negative, it depresses me.

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:bravo

barracuda;842825048 said:

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If Cal keeps Moore, Okoroh, Lee and Davis, and holds the recruiting class, the Bears can be very competitive in the Pac12 next year. If Wyking Jones is the next coach, and he can hold that team, he is a very good choice.

Plus, if he is the next coach, the trashing of Wyking Jones by many contributors to this thread is so vile, so reprehensible, so damaging and mindless and hurtful, so ... what are you thinking? Please, just stop it!!!!!!!!

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+1,000

X's and O's. Situational basketball. He was there the whole time with Martin. Can we expect an offensive improvement?

Uthaithani;842825061 said:

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Worst hire in Cal MBB history, after the worst hiring process in Cal sports history.
Mike Williams is an embarrassment to Cal and college athletics.

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Please show how this is worse than Holmoe

oskirules;842825245 said:

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X's and O's. Situational basketball. He was there the whole time with Martin. Can we expect an offensive improvement?

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Well, since he was also there with Pitino, hopefully he learned what works and what does not.

Cuonzo Martin 2.0. He looks like his twin.

Uthaithani;842825074 said:

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It's not just that he's unqualified, he's a proven bad coach. Was anybody paying attention to the underperformance and poor player development under Cuonzo? Did anybody notice how much better Mathews did AWAY from Cal?? Why would anyone have hope the lousy assistant of a lousy coach is going to do a BETTER job??

Williams made a terrible hire. Any idiot can see that.

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Mathews missed 8 of his first 9 shots last night, and is shooting a lower percentage of threes this season than he did at Cal. And he's improved how?

Vineyardview;842824814 said:

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Jon Rothstein posts:

BREAKING: Cal will promote assistant Wyking Jones to head coach, per a source. Was on staff with Cuonzo Martin. Also worked for Rick Pitino.

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A big plus in Jones' favor, imo, is that he made a lateral move to Cal from a top program because he wanted to be here. He also knew what he was getting into as far as the Administration, because his sister-in-law is part of that Administration (Vice Chancellor for Equity and Inclusion) so I do think those factors make him more prepared to succeed.

NewYorkCityBear;842825253 said:

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A big plus in Jones' favor, imo, is that he made a lateral move to Cal from a top program because he wanted to be here. He also knew what he was getting into as far as the Administration, because his sister is part of that Administration (Vice Chancellor for Equity and Inclusion) so I do think those factors make him more prepared to succeed.

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His wife is a Berkeley native and his sister-in-law works in the Administration.

CalEnviroLaw;842825248 said:

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Well, since he was also there with Pitino, hopefully he learned what works and what does not.

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I hope so but I didn't get the sense that anything from Pitino's style of play showed up in Cal's style.

speaks volumes when the coach at St. Mary's takes a hard pass on the Cal job.

mcdbear;842824984 said:

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I guess I am the minority but I like it. I'd rather give the job to a charismatic asst coach than a has been or a never was. We are not top of the basketball food chain so we gotta take risks or otherwise our goal is sustained mediocrity.

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I'm good with it too. He's a top recruiter and he's from L.A., players endorsed him, keeps Charlie. The big issue with taking a chance on an assistant is it can be a lose--lose: if they fail, you have to replace them in a few years, but if they win they leave and you hsve to replace them. However, his wife is from Berkeley and her sister works for Cal--if he succeeds his wife will not be cool with moving to Missouri. It is a good bet for Cal.

tsubamoto2001;842825256 said:

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His wife is a Berkeley native and his sister-in-law works in the Administration.

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I was editing that when you posted. And by 'wanting to be here' I meant return to the West Coast so kinda opposite of the Cuonzo move.

PS: Thanks for not telling me my head's up my butt :-)

Peace.

BigDaddy;842825262 said:

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speaks volumes when the coach at St. Mary's takes a hard pass on the Cal job.

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No. Bennett is happy being a big frog in a small pond. He's afraid to compete.