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LOL. Only Arizona diehards think the "whole story" is BS. Everyone else sees that Miller doesn't deny having phone conversations with this agent, whether they were talking about Ayton or another player.
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That was the outcome. Miller took no questions, said he had never spoken with Dawkins about Ayton, and is returning to coaching.
He might as well have just walked on stage, flashed both middle fingers, and walked off.
He might as well have just walked on stage, flashed both middle fingers, and walked off.
It's easy to say whatever during a press conference where no questions are asked. Without the actual evidence the FBI has collected, was there really any other outcome? Was Az essentially going to admit guilt by firing him? Why not ride it out because they would get hammered either way if true. Would love to see Az make the finals game, and have an actual tape leaked the morning of.
Beyond Az, I just wonder how many coaches/players commit perjury by the end of this. The FBI isn't doing the investigation just for fun - at some point there will be grad juries, trials, and sworn depositions.
An interesting side question I have is regarding ESPN's source. They have to be confidential because the FBI reports are under wraps and it's most likely illegal to leak them. But what if the source is wrong? And either Ayton or Miller want to sue ESPN for libel? How does that even move forward because there's really no way to prove what a confidential source said without said source. Of course there may be reasons not to sue as in getting deposed or testifying under oath might be taking the risk of perjury....
Beyond Az, I just wonder how many coaches/players commit perjury by the end of this. The FBI isn't doing the investigation just for fun - at some point there will be grad juries, trials, and sworn depositions.
An interesting side question I have is regarding ESPN's source. They have to be confidential because the FBI reports are under wraps and it's most likely illegal to leak them. But what if the source is wrong? And either Ayton or Miller want to sue ESPN for libel? How does that even move forward because there's really no way to prove what a confidential source said without said source. Of course there may be reasons not to sue as in getting deposed or testifying under oath might be taking the risk of perjury....
Wow...really?
Someone needs to 'shop Miller's head on this Johnny Cash photo:BearSD said:
That was the outcome. Miller took no questions, said he had never spoken with Dawkins about Ayton, and is returning to coaching.
He might as well have just walked on stage, flashed both middle fingers, and walked off.
Whatever happens, this is pretty exciting. About as much interest as I have in cbb this year.
(1) Miller is under investigation. The FBI reportedly served a subpoena at his home and took his computers around the same time they took Book Richardson's. No way Miller's attorneys are going to let him take questions from reporters.ColoradoBear said:
It's easy to say whatever during a press conference where no questions are asked. Without the actual evidence the FBI has collected, was there really any other outcome? Was Az essentially going to admit guilt by firing him? Why not ride it out because they would get hammered either way if true. Would love to see Az make the finals game, and have an actual tape leaked the morning of.
Beyond Az, I just wonder how many coaches/players commit perjury by the end of this. The FBI isn't doing the investigation just for fun - at some point there will be grad juries, trials, and sworn depositions.
An interesting side question I have is regarding ESPN's source. They have to be confidential because the FBI reports are under wraps and it's most likely illegal to leak them. But what if the source is wrong? And either Ayton or Miller want to sue ESPN for libel? How does that even move forward because there's really no way to prove what a confidential source said without said source. Of course there may be reasons not to sue as in getting deposed or testifying under oath might be taking the risk of perjury....
(2) My guess is that ESPN's reporting is based on discussions for which the information provided by sources is either in writing/email or tape recorded, and that their lawyers have told them that as long as they are accurately reporting what the sources said and don't have information that the sources were lying, they're not going to be successfully sued.
Link has video of Miller's statement:
https://deadspin.com/sean-miller-denies-all-wrongdoing-after-espn-wiretap-re-1823435036
https://deadspin.com/sean-miller-denies-all-wrongdoing-after-espn-wiretap-re-1823435036
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Donuts were served in Phoenix?
"Those who say don't know, and those who know don't say." - LT
Key word in his statement: "knowingly"
I think someone earlier posted the George Costanza line that seems appropriate. Something about "Was that wrong? Should I not have done that?"bluehenbear said:
Key word in his statement: "knowingly"
I just wanted the cashmere...philbert said:I think someone earlier posted the George Costanza line that seems appropriate. Something about "Was that wrong? Should I not have done that?"bluehenbear said:
Key word in his statement: "knowingly"
Shrinkage.
"Those who say don't know, and those who know don't say." - LT
Not surprising at all. If Arizona was comfortable with Miller 6 months ago, the release of an uncorroborated, unverified, unofficial and possibly inaccurate "teport" wasnt gonna change the thinking.
This just kicks the can down the street a ways. The rubber hits the road when the FBI releases its findings. The content of the wiretaps and info from Book Richardson will ultimately determine his fate.
Of note from the Miller statement is that he says he never paid anyone. Well, of course. That's not how this works (unless you're Todd Bozeman). He didn't say whether he was aware of payments to his players. Nobody ever suggested Miller was directly paying players. It's similar to the Ayton attorney statement saying that Ayton never solicited or received money. Well, of course. Again, that's not how this works. He said nothing about whether his family, handler or family friends received money.
The big loser here is ESPN. Their "reporting" on this from the very beginning has been comically bad, with plenty of misleading and outright false statements.
This just kicks the can down the street a ways. The rubber hits the road when the FBI releases its findings. The content of the wiretaps and info from Book Richardson will ultimately determine his fate.
Of note from the Miller statement is that he says he never paid anyone. Well, of course. That's not how this works (unless you're Todd Bozeman). He didn't say whether he was aware of payments to his players. Nobody ever suggested Miller was directly paying players. It's similar to the Ayton attorney statement saying that Ayton never solicited or received money. Well, of course. Again, that's not how this works. He said nothing about whether his family, handler or family friends received money.
The big loser here is ESPN. Their "reporting" on this from the very beginning has been comically bad, with plenty of misleading and outright false statements.
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joe amos yaks said:
Donuts were served in Phoenix?
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philbert said:I think someone earlier posted the George Costanza line that seems appropriate. Something about "Was that wrong? Should I not have done that?"bluehenbear said:
Key word in his statement: "knowingly"
The story as told in McCann's article is more absurd than the ESPN report.EricBear said:
"To that end, the source told SI what Miller clarified for the first time Thursday: Ayton is not the player on whose behalf former ASM Sports employee Christian Dawkins allegedly sought a payment from Miller, and Miller never pursued or made any payments to a recruit associated with Dawkins."
The allegation is that Dawkins sought to arrange to have a payment made to Ayton's representatives. Neither ESPN nor anyone else claimed that Dawkins was trying to get a payment from Miller. That is laughable.
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There must be a secret elite recruiting skills seminar for top 20 hoops coaches.
Lesson #1: never talk about money and never touch money...get a stooge to handle it.
Lesson #1: never talk about money and never touch money...get a stooge to handle it.
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