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As for the melting pot comment:

Melting Pot era - Hey, we are all Americans and everyone comes and blends in and we act like they are the same. Only the same means basically White.

Post Melting Pot era - It's an insult to treat everyone the same and expect them to "act White". Chinese people eat potstickers with chopsticks and that's okay. Read, Whites are like this and Chinese People are like that.

Post Post Melting Pot era - Just because someone's Chinese doesn't mean they eat potstickers. People are who THEY are and they have their own individual histories. Don't judge them by ascribing population traits to them.

There was an episode of Barney Miller where they had the following gag. White, intellectual type police detective meets Japanese police detective. White detective is being all knowledgeable about Japanese culture and talking to Japanese police detective like he "understands" him. Japanese detective waits for him to finish and then says incredulously "I'm from Omaha!" White detective responds with "That's funny. There's a city in America with the same name!"

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helltopay1 said:

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dear Concord: i was with you until you started to apologize. Think about your case. Make your case . make your case with conviction. And, if you are convinced that your case has merit, don't apologize at the drop of a hat. Majoring in Anthropology is useful and informative when applied reasonably and judiciously; however, it rarely is a substitute for common sense and is rarely a substitute for what folks can see clearly with their eyes. are there some whites who are blazing fast??Clearly. Are there some whites who can jump high??clearly. Are there some african-americans who cannot run very fast or jump high??Clearly. but, generalizations clearly have a purpose when they are stated with mountains of supporting evidence. generalizations are never meant to be all-inclusive. most generalizations are not manufactured out of whole cloth or thin air. I stand by my statement. Those who disagree are arguing causation. i am not interested in causation. to me, it is irrelevant whether great speed and innate leaping ability is caused primarily by environmental factors, culture or hundreds of years of genetic DNA. The result is still the same. concentrate on the reality rather than the causation. This will be my last explanation of my statement. The next time Cal recruits a "white" player, I will probably say ' i hope it doesn't take him and hour-and-a-half to get from the top of the key to the basket." if i say that I would hope that some viewers will refrain from typing a Ph.D dissertation on the inherent "racism" of my remark. however, hope and 2.75 will only get me a cup of coffee. In other words, lighten up.

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concordtom said:

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OaktownBear said:

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Genetically Africans have by far the most variation among all populations. In fact, there is more genetic variation on the continent of Africa than there is between the continent of Africa and everywhere else. It is very possible, for instance, that Carl Lewis has as much or more in common with you than he does with Usain Bolt (or Bolt has more in common with you than he does with Lewis). So looking at the color of skin of international Olympic athletes is not telling a genetic story.

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I did not know this, but I guess it makes sense, thinking about migration patterns and such. We started in Africa, so those that remain there have had more time to mutate apart from one another.

Skin color is just ONE small aspect of all this. It's also the most obvious - visible.
But if you are going to suggest that genetics is not reason for why some populations excel in the Olympics while others don't, then I think we aren't going to be able to agree. Of course, there is SOOOO much more that goes into success. Training for one. But you gotta start with a mazeratti, at the very highest levels. I don't think you are actually trying to suggest that genes are not a factor.

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helltopay1 said:

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can someone please explain to me how we went from white players, who are usually( but not always) slower than their african-american counterparts to the legalized rape of african-women by whites over a 300 year period??don't be afraid to use logic, historical accuracy and reason. I must have missed that part of my personal history. I'm a 80 year old white cat and I've never raped an african-american woman. Dated them???? sure--raped them??No. But, according to SoCal, I must be the exception. I wonder if I was hibernating for long periods of time. I wonder if some of the more sensitive souls on this site might weigh in on the hibernating patterns of clueless oppressive whites??If I suggested this 30 years ago, some folks might suggest I was a candidate for Napa. today??i'm probably behind the curve.

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• We are biological organisms subject to both conscious (rational) and unconscious (hormonal/environmental) drives.

• We seem to have developed inherent 'tribal' and personal unconscious behaviors that shape how we view and act in the world.
• America has a seemingly unique problem with race and poverty
• Many problems have strong social or economic roots that are attributed to race

UrsaMajor said:

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I assume you meant the book, THE BELL CURVE; the Bell Jar is a novel by Sylvia Plath about depression and suicide (obviously appropriate to Cal basketball).

It is funny how perceptions change over time. It was accepted "scientific" fact in the late 19th, early 20th centuries that Jews and Asians were genetically less intelligent than Europeans (and Southern Europeans were less intelligent than Northern Europeans). More recently it was accepted "scientific" fact that Africans and African Americans were better sprinters because of fast twitch muscles, but inferior distance runners because of fewer slow twitch muscles. That was until the Kenyans and Ethiopians started winning all the Olympic and international marathons and 10k races.

OB's point about different populations selecting different sports is an important one. African Americans differentially choose basketball in part because it is the easiest game to be played in the inner cities (you don't need large fields, just room for a court) with the least equipment, and in part because it has become a cultural value. Fewer and fewer African Americans are playing baseball. I hope no one is going to claim that whites and Latinos are genetically programmed to be able to swing sticks at small balls...

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Big C said:

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UrsaMajor said:

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I assume you meant the book, THE BELL CURVE; the Bell Jar is a novel by Sylvia Plath about depression and suicide (obviously appropriate to Cal basketball).

It is funny how perceptions change over time. It was accepted "scientific" fact in the late 19th, early 20th centuries that Jews and Asians were genetically less intelligent than Europeans (and Southern Europeans were less intelligent than Northern Europeans). More recently it was accepted "scientific" fact that Africans and African Americans were better sprinters because of fast twitch muscles, but inferior distance runners because of fewer slow twitch muscles. That was until the Kenyans and Ethiopians started winning all the Olympic and international marathons and 10k races.

OB's point about different populations selecting different sports is an important one. African Americans differentially choose basketball in part because it is the easiest game to be played in the inner cities (you don't need large fields, just room for a court) with the least equipment, and in part because it has become a cultural value. Fewer and fewer African Americans are playing baseball. I hope no one is going to claim that whites and Latinos are genetically programmed to be able to swing sticks at small balls...

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Well, we now know that Asians and Jews are genetically MORE intelligent than Europeans: It's called progress. We have, as a society, have furthered our knowledge over the last century or so.

Just as a bit of evidence, I -- as a European American -- submit that the book in question is actually THE BELL TOLLS.

Dear potential grad transfers: If you can play, please come here anyway, despite the drivel people like me post on this board. We're just messing around. Cal's a great place!

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UrsaMajor said:

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Big C said:

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UrsaMajor said:

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I assume you meant the book, THE BELL CURVE; the Bell Jar is a novel by Sylvia Plath about depression and suicide (obviously appropriate to Cal basketball).

It is funny how perceptions change over time. It was accepted "scientific" fact in the late 19th, early 20th centuries that Jews and Asians were genetically less intelligent than Europeans (and Southern Europeans were less intelligent than Northern Europeans). More recently it was accepted "scientific" fact that Africans and African Americans were better sprinters because of fast twitch muscles, but inferior distance runners because of fewer slow twitch muscles. That was until the Kenyans and Ethiopians started winning all the Olympic and international marathons and 10k races.

OB's point about different populations selecting different sports is an important one. African Americans differentially choose basketball in part because it is the easiest game to be played in the inner cities (you don't need large fields, just room for a court) with the least equipment, and in part because it has become a cultural value. Fewer and fewer African Americans are playing baseball. I hope no one is going to claim that whites and Latinos are genetically programmed to be able to swing sticks at small balls...

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Well, we now know that Asians and Jews are genetically MORE intelligent than Europeans: It's called progress. We have, as a society, have furthered our knowledge over the last century or so.

Just as a bit of evidence, I -- as a European American -- submit that the book in question is actually THE BELL TOLLS.

Dear potential grad transfers: If you can play, please come here anyway, despite the drivel people like me post on this board. We're just messing around. Cal's a great place!

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I assume he meant the Bell Curve by Herrnstein and Murray--an argument that differences in intelligence were almost entirely genetic and that African Americans were genetically inferior.

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Fewer and fewer African Americans are playing baseball. I hope no one is going to claim that whites and Latinos are genetically programmed to be able to swing sticks at small balls...

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Big C said:

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UrsaMajor said:

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I assume you meant the book, THE BELL CURVE; the Bell Jar is a novel by Sylvia Plath about depression and suicide (obviously appropriate to Cal basketball).

It is funny how perceptions change over time. It was accepted "scientific" fact in the late 19th, early 20th centuries that Jews and Asians were genetically less intelligent than Europeans (and Southern Europeans were less intelligent than Northern Europeans). More recently it was accepted "scientific" fact that Africans and African Americans were better sprinters because of fast twitch muscles, but inferior distance runners because of fewer slow twitch muscles. That was until the Kenyans and Ethiopians started winning all the Olympic and international marathons and 10k races.

OB's point about different populations selecting different sports is an important one. African Americans differentially choose basketball in part because it is the easiest game to be played in the inner cities (you don't need large fields, just room for a court) with the least equipment, and in part because it has become a cultural value. Fewer and fewer African Americans are playing baseball. I hope no one is going to claim that whites and Latinos are genetically programmed to be able to swing sticks at small balls...

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Well, we now know that Asians and Jews are genetically MORE intelligent than Europeans: It's called progress. We have, as a society, have furthered our knowledge over the last century or so.

Just as a bit of evidence, I -- as a European American -- submit that the book in question is actually THE BELL TOLLS.

Dear potential grad transfers: If you can play, please come here anyway, despite the drivel people like me post on this board. We're just messing around. Cal's a great place!

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More recently it was accepted "scientific" fact that Africans and African Americans were better sprinters because of fast twitch muscles, but inferior distance runners because of fewer slow twitch muscles. That was until the Kenyans and Ethiopians started winning all the Olympic and international marathons and 10k races.

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helltopay1 said:

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Breakfast is over. reuben Foster should be returning to the v49ers soon. But--let's be clear: One more serious accusation against this volatile young man and he's toast. ( without jam or butter) The track record does not give pause for optimism. but I'll be rooting for him.

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helltopay1 said:

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Dear GMP: Yeah---he's a real choir boy. 31 other NFL teams passed on him because of character concerns. Don't you follow the NFL draft??As i said, I'm rooting for him. And, I repeat what I said: one more serious accusation involving drugs, domestic abuse, or 'loaded weapons and the 49ers will conclude that thge costs of keeping him outweigh thge benefits. it is not uncommon for women to recant their testimony for a variety of reasons. Sometimes, the accused agrees to pay the accuser for the recantation. The 49ers are very sensitive to accusations that they harbor star players when mediocre players are dismissed for the same accusations. The 49ers will not want to be burned again. in this case, I make no suppositions or judgments. I'm simply saying he will be on a very short lease. but I do thank you for your observations.

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Where once Ennis claimed to police that he struck her eight to 10 times with a closed fist (resulting in a perforated eardrum, an injury that surely couldn't be manufactured, right?), her testimony at Thursday's preliminary hearing implicated her as the abuser. She went bonkers after he tried to end their relationship the morning of Feb. 11, and attacked him with a clothes hanger. She admitted he kept running away from her, even locking her out of their Los Gatos home, but she broke through the back door to confront him.

That horrendous claim she made of Foster throwing her bulldog across the room a sickening visual that added to the picture of an out-of-control hulking psychopath? It never happened! The dog showed no signs of abuse, according to a police officer's testimony. Why would Ennis accuse Foster of animal abuse?

"Because I was pissed and I wanted to end him," she replied from the witness stand.

"No, sir. Not once," she said, when prosecutor Kevin Smith asked if Foster ever hit her.

And here I do believe her, because even though victims of domestic violence sometimes recant if they've been paid off, or if they don't want their abusers to go to jail, or if they're simply afraid, Ennis, through her extensive testimony, proved her selfish desire was to "trash his career." She admitted to stealing money and two Rolex watches from Foster, but swore he never offered her a cent to retract her allegations.

As revenge plots go, Ennis' was both diabolical and fantastical. Her injuries, including the ruptured eardrum? Turns out she sustained them during a fight with another woman following a road rage incident in San Francisco on the night of Feb. 10. Prosecutors knew about this, even saw a videotape of the fight, but oddly chose to ignore it and proceed with felony domestic violence charges against Foster, for which he faced up to 10 years in prison.

It's not clear if the DA's office was aware Ennis had also falsely accused a former boyfriend of domestic violence in Louisiana in 2011, after he, too, tried to break up with her. This is the same case where she was arrested and charged with two counts of aggravated assault in Baton Rouge, though they were dismissed in September of 2013.

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concordtom said:

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caleb swanigan?
Hmmm.

2017, Portland Trail Blazers
Round: 1 / Pick: 26

2017-18
Games
27

MINS
7.0

PTS
2.3

TRB
2.0

AST
0.5

FG%
40.0

FG3%
12.5

FT%
66.7

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concordtom said:

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caleb swanigan?
Hmmm.

2017, Portland Trail Blazers
Round: 1 / Pick: 26

2017-18
Games
27

MINS
7.0

PTS
2.3

TRB
2.0

AST
0.5

FG%
40.0

FG3%
12.5

FT%
66.7

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