Not sure if already posted but he is going back to Minnesota apparently because the transfer process was too tough?
Oh well.
Oh well.
fat_slice said:
Not sure if already posted but he is going back to Minnesota apparently because the transfer process was too tough?
Oh well.
We're talking about Matz Stockman, who first played at Louisville, then transferred to Minnesota where he sat out last season (2017-2018) with the Gophers. He said he was coming to Cal publicly. But now he's going to remain at Minnesota. As of today, Tue. Aug. 7th.concordtom said:
It wasn't Minnesota.
But yeah, he returned to his original school.
missed it by this much!!OneKeg said:We're talking about Matz Stockman, who first played at Louisville, then transferred to Minnesota where he sat out last season (2017-2018) with the Gophers. He said he was coming to Cal publicly. But now he's going to remain at Minnesota. As of today, Tue. Aug. 7th.concordtom said:
It wasn't Minnesota.
But yeah, he returned to his original school.
Are you thinking about the other grad transfer, the really good one, from the mid-major that was considering Cal, but just decided to stay and never publicly said he was going to come to Cal?
That was the old big man transfer disappointment. This is the new big man transfer disappointment, just breaking today.
(Separate from the Jordan Brown/Charles Bassey big man disappointments).
All these big man disappointments are hard to remember.OneKeg said:We're talking about Matz Stockman, who first played at Louisville, then transferred to Minnesota where he sat out last season (2017-2018) with the Gophers. He said he was coming to Cal publicly. But now he's going to remain at Minnesota. As of today, Tue. Aug. 7th.concordtom said:
It wasn't Minnesota.
But yeah, he returned to his original school.
Are you thinking about the other grad transfer, the really good one, from the mid-major that was considering Cal, but just decided to stay and never publicly said he was going to come to Cal?
That was the old big man transfer disappointment. This is the new big man transfer disappointment, just breaking today.
(Separate from the Jordan Brown/Charles Bassey big man disappointments).
KoreAmBear said:All these big man disappointments are hard to remember.OneKeg said:We're talking about Matz Stockman, who first played at Louisville, then transferred to Minnesota where he sat out last season (2017-2018) with the Gophers. He said he was coming to Cal publicly. But now he's going to remain at Minnesota. As of today, Tue. Aug. 7th.concordtom said:
It wasn't Minnesota.
But yeah, he returned to his original school.
Are you thinking about the other grad transfer, the really good one, from the mid-major that was considering Cal, but just decided to stay and never publicly said he was going to come to Cal?
That was the old big man transfer disappointment. This is the new big man transfer disappointment, just breaking today.
(Separate from the Jordan Brown/Charles Bassey big man disappointments).
HoopDreams said:
We have signed 4 good front court players .... Ivan, King and Lee (and he only had one year) + Kravish. Jury is still out on the 3 current posts.
And that goes back to the Monty years.
I was told before that there just isn't that many 6-8+ basketball players with the needed academics
Certainly schools like UCLA (who signed 3 top bigs), Duke and Stanford can sign them, but tough for a middle-of-the-PAC school with tough admissions
Isn't it time to lower the self imposed stricter admissions requirement for basketball? Back to the same level as UCLA?KoreAmBear said:All these big man disappointments are hard to remember.OneKeg said:We're talking about Matz Stockman, who first played at Louisville, then transferred to Minnesota where he sat out last season (2017-2018) with the Gophers. He said he was coming to Cal publicly. But now he's going to remain at Minnesota. As of today, Tue. Aug. 7th.concordtom said:
It wasn't Minnesota.
But yeah, he returned to his original school.
Are you thinking about the other grad transfer, the really good one, from the mid-major that was considering Cal, but just decided to stay and never publicly said he was going to come to Cal?
That was the old big man transfer disappointment. This is the new big man transfer disappointment, just breaking today.
(Separate from the Jordan Brown/Charles Bassey big man disappointments).
calumnus said:HoopDreams said:
We have signed 4 good front court players .... Ivan, King and Lee (and he only had one year) + Kravish. Jury is still out on the 3 current posts.
And that goes back to the Monty years.
I was told before that there just isn't that many 6-8+ basketball players with the needed academics
Certainly schools like UCLA (who signed 3 top bigs), Duke and Stanford can sign them, but tough for a middle-of-the-PAC school with tough admissions
Isn't it time to lower the self imposed stricter admissions requirement for basketball? Back to the same level as UCLA?KoreAmBear said:All these big man disappointments are hard to remember.OneKeg said:We're talking about Matz Stockman, who first played at Louisville, then transferred to Minnesota where he sat out last season (2017-2018) with the Gophers. He said he was coming to Cal publicly. But now he's going to remain at Minnesota. As of today, Tue. Aug. 7th.concordtom said:
It wasn't Minnesota.
But yeah, he returned to his original school.
Are you thinking about the other grad transfer, the really good one, from the mid-major that was considering Cal, but just decided to stay and never publicly said he was going to come to Cal?
That was the old big man transfer disappointment. This is the new big man transfer disappointment, just breaking today.
(Separate from the Jordan Brown/Charles Bassey big man disappointments).
People here complained about Richard Solomon, but 6'11" averaging a double double would be very welcome.
I am pre-judging them. Cal does not have a single big who deserves court time at the pac12 level. Stockman looked better than any of remaining ones in the brief clips I found. What a mess. Fortunately, WJ runs such a sophisticated offense that little talent is needed.HoopDreams said:calumnus said:HoopDreams said:
We have signed 4 good front court players .... Ivan, King and Lee (and he only had one year) + Kravish. Jury is still out on the 3 current posts.
And that goes back to the Monty years.
I was told before that there just isn't that many 6-8+ basketball players with the needed academics
Certainly schools like UCLA (who signed 3 top bigs), Duke and Stanford can sign them, but tough for a middle-of-the-PAC school with tough admissions
Isn't it time to lower the self imposed stricter admissions requirement for basketball? Back to the same level as UCLA?KoreAmBear said:All these big man disappointments are hard to remember.OneKeg said:We're talking about Matz Stockman, who first played at Louisville, then transferred to Minnesota where he sat out last season (2017-2018) with the Gophers. He said he was coming to Cal publicly. But now he's going to remain at Minnesota. As of today, Tue. Aug. 7th.concordtom said:
It wasn't Minnesota.
But yeah, he returned to his original school.
Are you thinking about the other grad transfer, the really good one, from the mid-major that was considering Cal, but just decided to stay and never publicly said he was going to come to Cal?
That was the old big man transfer disappointment. This is the new big man transfer disappointment, just breaking today.
(Separate from the Jordan Brown/Charles Bassey big man disappointments).
People here complained about Richard Solomon, but 6'11" averaging a double double would be very welcome.
No, you are right. I just forgot about him. People always seemed down on Solomon, and I can understand why. But on the court he gave us a lot, especially rebounding. I should have said 5 post players. Still that means we've signed one legit big about every other year. Again, I'm not pre-judging the current incoming freshman bigs, but we need to do better than that
HoopDreams said:
We have signed 4 good front court players .... Ivan, King and Lee (and he only had one year) + Kravish. Jury is still out on the 3 current posts.
And that goes back to the Monty years.
I was told before that there just isn't that many 6-8+ basketball players with the needed academics
Certainly schools like UCLA (who signed 3 top bigs), Duke and Stanford can sign them, but tough for a middle-of-the-PAC school with tough admissions
Isn't it time to lower the self imposed stricter admissions requirement for basketball? Back to the same level as UCLA?KoreAmBear said:All these big man disappointments are hard to remember.OneKeg said:We're talking about Matz Stockman, who first played at Louisville, then transferred to Minnesota where he sat out last season (2017-2018) with the Gophers. He said he was coming to Cal publicly. But now he's going to remain at Minnesota. As of today, Tue. Aug. 7th.concordtom said:
It wasn't Minnesota.
But yeah, he returned to his original school.
Are you thinking about the other grad transfer, the really good one, from the mid-major that was considering Cal, but just decided to stay and never publicly said he was going to come to Cal?
That was the old big man transfer disappointment. This is the new big man transfer disappointment, just breaking today.
(Separate from the Jordan Brown/Charles Bassey big man disappointments).
Richard Solomon averaged a double-double only in his senior year. His first two years were a complete bust. In his freshman year, he couldn't hold onto a pass or a rebound, and he threw up air balls from 3 feet from the basket. In his second year, he wasn't much better, and then got caught cheating in a course, and was suspended from the team for the rest of the season, as I remember. In his 3rd year, he finally figured out that he should stop trying to be a stretch four and shoot threes, and do what he should, which was rebound, defend, score inside, and he finally put together an adequate season his junior year. His senior year was just what you'd like to see, solid performance.calumnus said:HoopDreams said:
We have signed 4 good front court players .... Ivan, King and Lee (and he only had one year) + Kravish. Jury is still out on the 3 current posts.
And that goes back to the Monty years.
I was told before that there just isn't that many 6-8+ basketball players with the needed academics
Certainly schools like UCLA (who signed 3 top bigs), Duke and Stanford can sign them, but tough for a middle-of-the-PAC school with tough admissions
Isn't it time to lower the self imposed stricter admissions requirement for basketball? Back to the same level as UCLA?KoreAmBear said:All these big man disappointments are hard to remember.OneKeg said:We're talking about Matz Stockman, who first played at Louisville, then transferred to Minnesota where he sat out last season (2017-2018) with the Gophers. He said he was coming to Cal publicly. But now he's going to remain at Minnesota. As of today, Tue. Aug. 7th.concordtom said:
It wasn't Minnesota.
But yeah, he returned to his original school.
Are you thinking about the other grad transfer, the really good one, from the mid-major that was considering Cal, but just decided to stay and never publicly said he was going to come to Cal?
That was the old big man transfer disappointment. This is the new big man transfer disappointment, just breaking today.
(Separate from the Jordan Brown/Charles Bassey big man disappointments).
People here complained about Richard Solomon, but 6'11" averaging a double double would be very welcome.
Could you please stop it with the over-the-top personal ad hominem attacks on the current Cal head basketball coach, laced with sarcasm and hyperbole? All this to promote your idea for trying another unproven head coach over the one we have?calbear80 said:
The inexperienced unqualified incompetent guy that Mike Williams hired as MBB "coach" cannot coach, cannot judge talent, cannot recruit, cannot retain the players and cannot manage the roster with the number of scholarships mandated by the NCAA rules. Otherwise, he is probably a jolly good fellow (liked at least by his mother and Mike Williams).
Look, Mother Theresa is a wonderful human being, but, none of us would go to her for brain surgery. This guy has clearly proven that he is not a suitable MBB Head Coach for Cal, whether or not he is a good guy (Brandon Chauca, Winston and that other guy will present evidance to the contrary).
Mike Williams gave this guy a $5,000,000 gift by hiring him when no other D-1 (let alone Power 5) teams would even give him an interview. This guy had no experience coaching as even a top two coach at any level, not even high school, and it shows. Even his playing experience was at a minor school. This guy should be sending Mike Williams a million thank you notes each day.
Time for a coaching change is NOW.
Please do not delay the inevitable which allows this guy to destroy Cal MBB further.
Bring Back Respect to Cal MBB.
Hire a New Coach (Jason Kidd) Now!
Go Bears!
P.S. So, what jersey number Jordan Brown (five-star super-star 6'-11" big man from Sacramento who desperately wanted to come to Cal and had the grades) will be wearing this year?
P.S.S. The guy Mike Williams hired as MBB "coach" went 2-17 in the conference last year (worst ever in the history). So, what does he do to improve things? He goes out and hires another coach who went an identical 2-17 in a minor conference as his top assistant. Truly, "great" minds think alike!
I don't recall calbear80 writing anything that would cause a person to block him.AunBear89 said:
I'm guessing the total lack of replies to your posts is due to you being blocked by everyone who reads the hoops board.
Calbear80, thanks for being a little more reasonable. Most of us have a healthy skepticism about Jones and the coming year, and it would take a few years for any coach to turn this program around. Wings are a dime a dozen almost, and it looks like Jones has landed a couple more in Gordon and Bradley. Paris may not be a great point guard, but he is said to know how to play the position, which should help a lot. The big personnel problem is up front, and what would have helped would be a grad transfer or two, someone with experience. Vanover, like most freshman bigs, is likely going to take a year or two to develop. I hope it is sooner. The main thing I will look for this season is whether Jones can put together an offense which shares the ball. Cal should score more this season, but I'm afraid without experienced post defense and rim protection, they will give up more points. And I'm really curious to see who will get rebounds for Cal, with our best rebounders gone now. And I want to see if any players improve over the course of the season. Last season, not very many did. It is enough to keep me interested, and I hope you will stay tuned as well.calbear80 said:
SFCity, thanks for your excellent detailed analysis. I see that you, like me, are also unhappy with the current situation and do not think the current coach is the solution. In terms of making changes, you are more patient than me and I respect you for that. Perhaps after this season if our beloved Golden Bears have a winning cinference record, I'll share your views. Or, more likely, if they finish at or near the bottom conference standings again, you will share my views on the need for immediate changes.
UrsaMajir, thank you for your post. If you are happy with last year's 2-17 conference record (worst ever in the history, dead last in Pac-12), then you are truly a positive thinking man. Perhaps after this season which is expected to be another bad one,, you will join me in the conclusion that change is needed and needed soon.
BTW, my previius offer stands: If this coach can achieve mediocrity (all I ask is be at least mediocre, never mind being good or excellent), by reaching a .500 overall conference record by the end of this season, I will donate $100,000+ to the Cal Athletic Department. Knowing this coach, I don't think there is a chance that he can achieve mediocrity (.500 overall cinference record) and as such I am certain my bank acciunt is safe.
Go Bears!
It's unpleasant and offensive, but it's a negotiating tactic. Trump is a building contractor. Have you ever spent time with these people? They are all quite rough around the edges. I spent most of my career in construction. For someone to be successful in construction in New York, he has to be able to deal with the very tight and cunning money interests of Wall Street. He also has to be able to deal with the historically corrupt Irish Democratic political machine which runs the town. And finally, he needs to be able to deal with the Mafia, who control the building trade unions in New York. My own family has had dealings with them. I had a had a great-uncle who was an architect, and he got in a fight with a union boss on a project and threw him down a flight of stairs. The Mafia put out a contract on him, and he had to go to Mayor Fiorello La Guardia to get the contract cancelled, while he and his family sweated it out. I don't imagine New York is much easier to work in doing construction now than it was a hundred years ago. Trump was an outsider. His family money was not old society money, it was construction money, and not high y respected. He was a Protestant, not Irish or Italian Catholic. And still he was a success in New York construction. I respect that, but I don't respect his style.UrsaMajor said:
SFCity:
Excellent post. I hope, however, it was aimed at the rest of us, because it will, I am afraid, be of no interest to CalBears80. Telling him to stop with the attacks on Coach Jones would be like telling Donald Trump to stop insulting people and play nice.
calbear80 said:
The inexperienced unqualified incompetent guy that Mike Williams hired as MBB "coach" cannot coach, cannot judge talent, cannot recruit, cannot retain the players and cannot manage the roster with the number of scholarships mandated by the NCAA rules. Otherwise, he is probably a jolly good fellow (liked at least by his mother and Mike Williams).
Look, Mother Theresa is a wonderful human being, but, none of us would go to her for brain surgery. This guy has clearly proven that he is not a suitable MBB Head Coach for Cal, whether or not he is a good guy (Brandon Chauca, Winston and that other guy will present evidance to the contrary).
Mike Williams gave this guy a $5,000,000 gift by hiring him when no other D-1 (let alone Power 5) teams would even give him an interview. This guy had no experience coaching as even a top two coach at any level, not even high school, and it shows. Even his playing experience was at a minor school. This guy should be sending Mike Williams a million thank you notes each day.
Time for a coaching change is NOW.
Please do not delay the inevitable which allows this guy to destroy Cal MBB further.
Bring Back Respect to Cal MBB.
Hire a New Coach Now!
Go Bears!
P.S. So, what jersey number Jordan Brown (five-star super-star 6'-11" big man from Sacramento who desperately wanted to come to Cal and had the grades) will be wearing this year?
P.S.S. The guy Mike Williams hired as MBB "coach" went 2-17 in the conference last year (worst ever in the history). So, what does he do to improve things? He goes out and hires another coach who went an identical 2-17 in a minor conference as his top assistant. Truly, "great" minds think alike!
I pretty much feel the same way about you, except you're on the other end of the spectrum.parentswerebears said:
That guy is the trolliest of trolls and has said nothing with a shred of positivity about Cal basketball and his Schtick is so broken record. His one note responses got me so angry that I had to block him before I got banned from here for saying something stupid.
Chapman_is_Gone said:calbear80 said:
The inexperienced unqualified incompetent guy that Mike Williams hired as MBB "coach" cannot coach, cannot judge talent, cannot recruit, cannot retain the players and cannot manage the roster with the number of scholarships mandated by the NCAA rules. Otherwise, he is probably a jolly good fellow (liked at least by his mother and Mike Williams).
Look, Mother Theresa is a wonderful human being, but, none of us would go to her for brain surgery. This guy has clearly proven that he is not a suitable MBB Head Coach for Cal, whether or not he is a good guy (Brandon Chauca, Winston and that other guy will present evidance to the contrary).
Mike Williams gave this guy a $5,000,000 gift by hiring him when no other D-1 (let alone Power 5) teams would even give him an interview. This guy had no experience coaching as even a top two coach at any level, not even high school, and it shows. Even his playing experience was at a minor school. This guy should be sending Mike Williams a million thank you notes each day.
Time for a coaching change is NOW.
Please do not delay the inevitable which allows this guy to destroy Cal MBB further.
Bring Back Respect to Cal MBB.
Hire a New Coach Now!
Go Bears!
P.S. So, what jersey number Jordan Brown (five-star super-star 6'-11" big man from Sacramento who desperately wanted to come to Cal and had the grades) will be wearing this year?
P.S.S. The guy Mike Williams hired as MBB "coach" went 2-17 in the conference last year (worst ever in the history). So, what does he do to improve things? He goes out and hires another coach who went an identical 2-17 in a minor conference as his top assistant. Truly, "great" minds think alike!
In seven more months, and you will get what you want...
Actually, CB80, I am sympathetic w/ your impatience. However, the AD and Chancellor are not going to fire Jones mid-season (barring some ethical scandal). Nor should they. Mid-season firings in college sports (unlike the NBA or MLB) are a very bad look and tend to wreak havoc with the program. If the team implodes in the first half of the season, a new coach isn't going to rescue the season. No reason to endure the chaos and bad publicity for little gain. The time to make a coaching change is as soon as the season ends (ideally, Jim has a short list of potential coaches already). If, on the other hand, the team surprises and has a successful season (say over .500), Jones will deserve a 3rd year. My only concern, as I have posted elsewhere, is if the performance lands somewhere in between.calbear80 said:Chapman_is_Gone said:calbear80 said:
The inexperienced unqualified incompetent guy that Mike Williams hired as MBB "coach" cannot coach, cannot judge talent, cannot recruit, cannot retain the players and cannot manage the roster with the number of scholarships mandated by the NCAA rules. Otherwise, he is probably a jolly good fellow (liked at least by his mother and Mike Williams).
Look, Mother Theresa is a wonderful human being, but, none of us would go to her for brain surgery. This guy has clearly proven that he is not a suitable MBB Head Coach for Cal, whether or not he is a good guy (Brandon Chauca, Winston and that other guy will present evidance to the contrary).
Mike Williams gave this guy a $5,000,000 gift by hiring him when no other D-1 (let alone Power 5) teams would even give him an interview. This guy had no experience coaching as even a top two coach at any level, not even high school, and it shows. Even his playing experience was at a minor school. This guy should be sending Mike Williams a million thank you notes each day.
Time for a coaching change is NOW.
Please do not delay the inevitable which allows this guy to destroy Cal MBB further.
Bring Back Respect to Cal MBB.
Hire a New Coach Now!
Go Bears!
P.S. So, what jersey number Jordan Brown (five-star super-star 6'-11" big man from Sacramento who desperately wanted to come to Cal and had the grades) will be wearing this year?
P.S.S. The guy Mike Williams hired as MBB "coach" went 2-17 in the conference last year (worst ever in the history). So, what does he do to improve things? He goes out and hires another coach who went an identical 2-17 in a minor conference as his top assistant. Truly, "great" minds think alike!
In seven more months, and you will get what you want...
Patience is a virtue. That is one of the many virtues I don't have.
Do we have to wait through another disasterous season like last one and then spend years to rebuilt from the destruction?
If things start going real bad to start the season, cannot the new AD and the new Chancellor do the inevitable in mid-season?
Go Bears!