He would like the club room.

No he'd hate it; you have to pay for your booze.

His contract provides that Eric is his body man.

No, Leinard Taylor

On a serious note, I could not stand the way the guy coaches. He spends more time on the court, in violation of the rules, too often interfering or almost interfering with the play, than he spends off the court during a game. And he never or seldom ever gets called for it.

SFCityBear said:

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On a serious note, I could not stand the way the guy coaches. He spends more time on the court, in violation of the rules, too often interfering or almost interfering with the play, than he spends off the court during a game. And he never or seldom ever gets called for it.

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I've always thought that when a coach is way out on the court (as O'Neill was and others are), if it is the coach of the team on defense, the offensive player should fire the ball at him. If he's hit in the court, it'd be an automatic technical.

SFCityBear said:

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On a serious note, I could not stand the way the guy coaches. He spends more time on the court, in violation of the rules, too often interfering or almost interfering with the play, than he spends off the court during a game. And he never or seldom ever gets called for it.

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Remember when coaches (e.g., Newell, Wooden et al) actually sat on the bench? When was it (and why) that coaches became active participants?

Remember when Lavin stepped on the court and one of players tried to pass to him? Served him right.

Dear Millenia: If you think Steve Lavin was animated, you should have seen his Dad. He used to throw basketballs at our heads on the playground after school.

UrsaMajor said:

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SFCityBear said:

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On a serious note, I could not stand the way the guy coaches. He spends more time on the court, in violation of the rules, too often interfering or almost interfering with the play, than he spends off the court during a game. And he never or seldom ever gets called for it.

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I've always thought that when a coach is way out on the court (as O'Neill was and others are), if it is the coach of the team on defense, the offensive player should fire the ball at him. If he's hit in the court, it'd be an automatic technical.

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I dunno. With Pac12 refs, not much is automatic, so I'd be hesitant to try that.

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SFCityBear said:

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On a serious note, I could not stand the way the guy coaches. He spends more time on the court, in violation of the rules, too often interfering or almost interfering with the play, than he spends off the court during a game. And he never or seldom ever gets called for it.

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Remember when coaches (e.g., Newell, Wooden et al) actually sat on the bench? When was it (and why) that coaches became active participants?

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I remember that. Newell and Wooden were cerebral coaches, dignified at games. I don't remember either one arguing with an official, not that it didn't happen. For them, the game was all about the players, carefully preparing them, and then letting them play the game, with little or no vocal direction or interference during the game. Newell substituted or called timeout less often than maybe any coach of that time. He sat on the bench and chewed on a towel to deal with the stress. He had one assistant coach, Rene Herrerias, who was not often on the bench with Newell, because he was responsible for scouting opponents. I used to laugh when I watched Ben Braun call time out, huddle with 3 or 4 assistant coaches, and then rush to barely beat the time out clock to go over and impart critical information and directions to his players.

I don't know when coaches became active participants, although Bobby Knight, a close friend of Newell's, came along not long after Newell and he was very "animated" (to borrow a word from the thread) compared to Newell.

I've been told by eyewitnesses (players), that the Wizard of Westwood trash talked opposing team players as they ran by him on the bench while the game was in progress. I'm convinced Wooden was a great coach and a good man, but even St. John was not perfect because that was a major chickensh@t move and not becoming a gentleman.

I considered my sources extremely trust worthy, but being a doubting Thomas by nature and finding their claim so out of line with Wooden's generally accepted stellar reputation, once researching on the internet became available, I satisfied myself that they were not the only ones making the claim against Wooden.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.chicagotribune.com/news/ct-xpm-1993-04-02-9304020336-story,amp.html

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.indystar.com/amp/4958643

BTW, I enjoyed Kareem's book about his relationship with Wooden.

wooden cultivated his image as an intellectual saint with more integrity than Mother Teresa. The reality was slightly different. He looked thge other way at the many transgressions which transpired during his tenure. i would not have enjoyed playing for saint John.