Beached Bear > There have been times, when I need to cover my ears due to the pain. That is simply unnecessary volume.

fans coming to haas at least need to protect themselves with noise cancelling headphones, as we've done for quite a while. otherwise / anyways your hearing will suffer.
# don't be me

just one of many for instances..
https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B000U07C1U

smh said:

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Beached Bear > There have been times, when I need to cover my ears due to the pain. That is simply unnecessary volume.

fans coming to haas at least need to protect themselves with noise cancelling headphones, as we've done for quite a while. otherwise / anyways your hearing will suffer.
# don't be me

just one of many for instances..
https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B000U07C1U

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And maybe some pain cancelling glasses so that your eyes aren't damaged by what you see.

Cheap ear plugs like those used when swimming work well.

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Yeah, I remember the docu, but not that particular quote. Be interest in it. I think part of Armstrong's "problem" was that he was schooled in New Orleans in the 20's, where jazz was more structured and never got into the be-bop or modal movements. Part of my bias is that Kind of Blue may be the most "perfect" album ever recorded.

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Regardless of genre?

Sgt. Pepper's Lonely Hearts Club Band

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UrsaMajor said:

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Yeah, I remember the docu, but not that particular quote. Be interest in it. I think part of Armstrong's "problem" was that he was schooled in New Orleans in the 20's, where jazz was more structured and never got into the be-bop or modal movements. Part of my bias is that Kind of Blue may be the most "perfect" album ever recorded.

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Regardless of genre?

Sgt. Pepper's Lonely Hearts Club Band

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I agree. Frampton's guitar work was exquisite on that album.

UrsaMajor said:

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Yeah, I remember the docu, but not that particular quote. Be interest in it. I think part of Armstrong's "problem" was that he was schooled in New Orleans in the 20's, where jazz was more structured and never got into the be-bop or modal movements. Part of my bias is that Kind of Blue may be the most "perfect" album ever recorded.

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Guitarist Duane Allman of the Allman Brothers Band said his soloing on songs such as "In Memory of Elizabeth Reed" "comes from Miles and Coltrane, and particularly Kind of Blue. I've listened to that album so many times that for the past couple of years, I haven't hardly listened to anything else."

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I am probably not going to anymore games until Jones is gone. Never missed one since 1986, unless on vacation. Three season tickets. The awful double volume rap music last night was the final nail in the coffin.

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I hope you went to the SDSU game as it was one of the better entertaining games at Haas the last few years. I too suffered through USF, but now I at least have some hope. Please come back brother Bear and Rock the Haas.

I agree the music volume is ridiculous. We all need to ping Knowlton.

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the documentary said there is a certain musical note on the trumpet that you have to be very talented to hit and that if you have the ability you can probably only hit it once in a song. Armstrong could hit it 40 times in a song. I will see if I can find that passage.

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You may be referring to the May 18, 1936 version of Swing That Music, the one with his own orchestra as opposed to a version of the same song he recoded with the Jimmy Dorsey Orchestra three months later. According to the liner notes by critic Dan Morgenstern in a Mosaic CD set I have, Pops hit C above high C an astounding 42 times in the last of the four choruses he played on that record! Now Armstrong was always a showman. And at this point in his career he came under a lot of criticism for just showing off the technical skill of hitting high notes in many if not most of his records. And I agree that technical skill alone does not make a great artist. But Mr. Armstrong was way, way more than just a skilled technician. Beauty, power, grace. He had it all. Listen to Swing That Music. It will blow you away!

I hope this link works:

UrsaMajor said:

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Yeah, I remember the docu, but not that particular quote. Be interest in it. I think part of Armstrong's "problem" was that he was schooled in New Orleans in the 20's, where jazz was more structured and never got into the be-bop or modal movements. Part of my bias is that Kind of Blue may be the most "perfect" album ever recorded.

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"May be"? :-)

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oskidunker said:

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I am probably not going to anymore games until Jones is gone. Never missed one since 1986, unless on vacation. Three season tickets. The awful double volume rap music last night was the final nail in the coffin.

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I hope you went to the SDSU game as it was one of the better entertaining games at Haas the last few years. I too suffered through USF, but now I at least have some hope. Please come back brother Bear and Rock the Haas.

I agree the music volume is ridiculous. We all need to ping Knowlton.

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No, did not attend. Glad Grant got to play. Hopefully his integration into the rotation will be the spark necessary. Listened to second half. Defense still a problem.

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UrsaMajor said:

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Yeah, I remember the docu, but not that particular quote. Be interest in it. I think part of Armstrong's "problem" was that he was schooled in New Orleans in the 20's, where jazz was more structured and never got into the be-bop or modal movements. Part of my bias is that Kind of Blue may be the most "perfect" album ever recorded.

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"May be"? :-)

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Just being kind to those who have other favorites...I wore out 3 vinyl versions of the album before I got a CD. Legend has it that the musicians worked off of a single sheet of scale progressions that Miles gave them before the recording session.

There was a show at Yoshi's in 2009 to commemorate the 50th anniversary with Jimmy Cobb (the only surviving member of the group). He was asked if after the recording session they knew that they had created a work of genius. He replied, "Well, we thought it was pretty good..."

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... Pops hit C above high C an astounding 42 times in the last of the four choruses he played on that record!....

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Bingo! I should have figured that with all the brainpower in the BI community that someone would unearth this. Good job, Jim. I'm just proud of myself that I remembered the number was in the 40's somewhere.
Since this is a bit of a Jazz hijacking, John Coltrane once said of fellow sax player Stan Getz, "We would all sound that way if we could." I highly recommend this album:

UrsaMajor said:

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Yeah, I remember the docu, but not that particular quote. Be interest in it. I think part of Armstrong's "problem" was that he was schooled in New Orleans in the 20's, where jazz was more structured and never got into the be-bop or modal movements. Part of my bias is that Kind of Blue may be the most "perfect" album ever recorded.

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I don't think that was really a "problem." That's my bias anyway.

JimSox said:

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UrsaMajor said:

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Yeah, I remember the docu, but not that particular quote. Be interest in it. I think part of Armstrong's "problem" was that he was schooled in New Orleans in the 20's, where jazz was more structured and never got into the be-bop or modal movements. Part of my bias is that Kind of Blue may be the most "perfect" album ever recorded.

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I don't think that was really a "problem." That's my bias anyway.

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Meant "problem" in terms of where jazz went after him.

I know that album well. We always knew when my Dad had a little too much to drink when this album would start to play. After he died, I found a place for it in my collection. My wife went to Cal and as a student bought the same one used at Rasputin's or Leopold's. She added that to her Parliament, Rick James and Talking Heads collection. 5 or so years ago It became quite fashionable to play his stuff as well and Chet Baker at parties and such until folks dumbed it down and just went with Buble

https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0790770/


https://www.imdb.com/title/tt2133196/

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Does today's sound still qualify as music? I DVR SNL every week. I never get 10 seconds into the "musical" guest before I fast forward. I would love to be a fly on the wall at the corporate meeting when they make the determination who has the musical talent they are going to promote. It has to involve a chimp throwing darts.

Compare the perfection of Al Green to the free styling garbage of today.* James Brown used to beat up his band members if they missed a note or didn't keep pace. During live performances Brown could be heard yelling at offending band members, "That'll cost you $50, that'll cost you a $100." If he was still with us today, Mr. Brown would have a hard time finding people who can play a musical instrument.








*Official thread hijacking

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I don't like pop music today, but I don't think much pop music over the years has been any better. My problem with blasting stuff at high decibel levels is that I'm paying to go to a basketball game with friends and would like to be able to concentrate on those two things. I would be annoyed by Al Green at high decibels, though admittedly not as much. If I want musical entertainment, which I frequently do, I can pay for tickets to see someone play that I chose. I don't need it at a totally different kind of entertainment event. Arena experiences at the pro and college and even high school levels have deteriorated as the idea that "fans need to be entertained" has take over.

71Bear said:

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UrsaMajor said:

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Yeah, I remember the docu, but not that particular quote. Be interest in it. I think part of Armstrong's "problem" was that he was schooled in New Orleans in the 20's, where jazz was more structured and never got into the be-bop or modal movements. Part of my bias is that Kind of Blue may be the most "perfect" album ever recorded.

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Regardless of genre?

Sgt. Pepper's Lonely Hearts Club Band

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Not even in the same ballpark.

BTW, I was at Levi's on Sunday. The volume is worse. Their response to my complaint is that it was my mistake NOT bringing ear protection.

I don't understand the expectation to bring ear protection to a sporting event or even a music concert (although it seems to be a good idea these days as SMH suggests). What is the joy that so many our feeling from the volume? Am I missing something?

bluesaxe said:

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...I don't like pop music today, but I don't think much pop music over the years has been any better. My problem with blasting stuff at high decibel levels is that I'm paying to go to a basketball game with friends and would like to be able to concentrate on those two things. I would be annoyed by Al Green at high decibels, though admittedly not as much. If I want musical entertainment, which I frequently do, I can pay for tickets to see someone play that I chose. I don't need it at a totally different kind of entertainment event. Arena experiences at the pro and college and even high school levels have deteriorated as the idea that "fans need to be entertained" has take over.

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Would you be annoyed by this cranked high? A bantam rooster in his prime with his chest puffed out, ready to fight and literally blowing up the auditorium with his talent:

People that like it have had their hearing ruined by too many loud concerts. To them it is not loud.

What?