An article about the man who should be our next coach

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When former NBA players want to send their kid to play for you.......

https://www.sfgate.com/sports/article/UC-Irvine-among-nation-s-hottest-teams-in-NCAA-13701279.php
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SCT-
I didn't read it yet and don't disagree with you, but I am feeling snarky this morning.

Didn't the last two coaches here net former NBA player's kids? That really doesn't mean anything.
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I don't think Cal can afford Turner, honestly.
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parentswerebears said:

SCT-
I didn't read it yet and don't disagree with you, but I am feeling snarky this morning.

Didn't the last two coaches here net former NBA player's kids? That really doesn't mean anything.
While we have netted 1 here or there the article points out that FIVE former NBA players have kids playing for the anteaters. And you could argue that this makes a decent amount of sense.

Nba career=affluence=kids getting to go to good CA suburban schools=UC qualified=good genes=probably balanced upbringing=unlikely to be a serious blue chipper.

I could make a STRONG argument that Cal would benefit from recruiting these sorts of kids - just as Furd in football has made some good hay over the years recruiting the kids of NFL players that grew up in affluent exurbs.
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Not gonna happened. Primary reason is Cal doesn't have a medical school for his wife, the family breadwinner. And no, UCSF is not gong to accommodate Cal to provide a new head of their ER.
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wifeisafurd said:

Not gonna happened. Primary reason is Cal doesn't have a medical school for his wife, the family breadwinner. And no, UCSF is not gong to accommodate Cal to provide a new head of their ER.
Do you have this on fact? You can PM me. Because essentially your argument is that he is a UCI lifer. There are probably NO (or almost no) medical schools that would accommodate a trailing spouse in that situation. That is all fine and dandy - until UCLA hires him. Then it will be typiCAL
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The issue is whether donors will front the money. Cal is not allowed to pay a competiive salary.
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I don't quite follow this. If the wife who is a physician is the breadwinner, then he must be making far less than Wyking Jones is at Cal. Why can't Cal offer a coach a salary based on a nice increase in his current salary, instead of one that is "competitive".

What kind of job does the wife have? If she is currently the director of an ER in a standard hospital, then she would likely not qualify for director of and ER in a teaching hospital, like UCSF. Actually, UCSF has three Emergency Rooms in San Francisco: Helen Diller ER at UCSF Parnassus, Benioff Children's ER at the same address, and UCSF SF General Hospital ER and Trauma Center. All three have directors who have extensive experience working in and teaching in teaching hospitals.
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wifeisafurd said:

Not gonna happened. Primary reason is Cal doesn't have a medical school for his wife, the family breadwinner. And no, UCSF is not gong to accommodate Cal to provide a new head of their ER.

Sure. Syracuse offers him 4.5mil to take over from Boeheim, but his wife nixes the deal b/c Syracuse doesn't have a med school (Upstate Med is SUNY, I believe). Chances are real good that he accepts before the Syracuse AD puts a period on the sentence.

With all due respect, some of the most catastrophically dumb statements in print appear on this board. That's not criticism, it's reality.
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Northside91 said:

wifeisafurd said:

Not gonna happened. Primary reason is Cal doesn't have a medical school for his wife, the family breadwinner. And no, UCSF is not gong to accommodate Cal to provide a new head of their ER.

Sure. Syracuse offers him 4.5mil to take over from Boeheim, but his wife nixes the deal b/c Syracuse doesn't have a med school (Upstate Med is SUNY, I believe). Chances are real good that he accepts before the Syracuse AD puts a period on the sentence.

With all due respect, some of the most catastrophically dumb statements in print appear on this board. That's not criticism, it's reality.
It may or may not be a dumb statement, but what is catastrophic about it? That a small school coach loses out on getting a job in P5/P6 school? Heavens to Mergatroid! The sky is falling! I don't disagree that we fans make dumb statements on this board, but as fans we are given to a lot of wild exaggeration as well. The word "fan" is derived from the word "fanatic", after all.
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caltagjohnson said:

The issue is whether donors will front the money. Cal is not allowed to pay a competiive salary.

A winning formula. Tell donors they can pay for things but ultimately have no decision-making authority. Very motivating approach. Pretty much the opposite of what Stanford does.
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SFCityBear said:

Northside91 said:

wifeisafurd said:

Not gonna happened. Primary reason is Cal doesn't have a medical school for his wife, the family breadwinner. And no, UCSF is not gong to accommodate Cal to provide a new head of their ER.

Sure. Syracuse offers him 4.5mil to take over from Boeheim, but his wife nixes the deal b/c Syracuse doesn't have a med school (Upstate Med is SUNY, I believe). Chances are real good that he accepts before the Syracuse AD puts a period on the sentence.

With all due respect, some of the most catastrophically dumb statements in print appear on this board. That's not criticism, it's reality.
It may or may not be a dumb statement, but what is catastrophic about it? That a small school coach loses out on getting a job in P5/P6 school? Heavens to Mergatroid! The sky is falling! I don't disagree that we fans make dumb statements on this board, but as fans we are given to a lot of wild exaggeration as well. The word "fan" is derived from the word "fanatic", after all.

Frankly, I have no idea what you're talking about.

I think it's unreasonable to suggest that the UCI coach won't accept an offer at a school without a med school (or one with a med school that's unwilling to employ his wife in a leadership role) if that school is proposing to pay him several times what he's making at UCI. I stand corrected if he's said, "Suitors be warned, I won't work for you unless my wife can be head of emergency medicine at the teaching hospital attached to your univeristy, even if you offer me all the money in the world. She's the family breadwinner after all."

If you're looking for "wild exaggeration", I refer you to the original post on this issue.
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Northside91 said:

SFCityBear said:

Northside91 said:

wifeisafurd said:

Not gonna happened. Primary reason is Cal doesn't have a medical school for his wife, the family breadwinner. And no, UCSF is not gong to accommodate Cal to provide a new head of their ER.

Sure. Syracuse offers him 4.5mil to take over from Boeheim, but his wife nixes the deal b/c Syracuse doesn't have a med school (Upstate Med is SUNY, I believe). Chances are real good that he accepts before the Syracuse AD puts a period on the sentence.

With all due respect, some of the most catastrophically dumb statements in print appear on this board. That's not criticism, it's reality.
It may or may not be a dumb statement, but what is catastrophic about it? That a small school coach loses out on getting a job in P5/P6 school? Heavens to Mergatroid! The sky is falling! I don't disagree that we fans make dumb statements on this board, but as fans we are given to a lot of wild exaggeration as well. The word "fan" is derived from the word "fanatic", after all.

Frankly, I have no idea what you're talking about.

I think it's unreasonable to suggest that the UCI coach won't accept an offer at a school without a med school (or one with a med school that's unwilling to employ his wife in a leadership role) if that school is proposing to pay him several times what he's making at UCI. I stand corrected if he's said, "Suitors be warned, I won't work for you unless my wife can be head of emergency medicine at the teaching hospital attached to your univeristy, even if you offer me all the money in the world. She's the family breadwinner after all."

If you're looking for "wild exaggeration", I refer you to the original post on this issue.
I don't disagree with anything you said. With all due respect, I was talking about the choice of the word, "catastrophically". I think the use of the word "catastrophic" is quite a stretch. We are talking about a coach who might make millions of dollars coaching kids to play a game of sport, and for whatever reason turns it down. I don't see that as catastrophic, unless we place games and fun far more important in life than most other things that happen. A fire, a flood, a tsumani, hurricane, a tornado, causing tremendous loss of life and property, all are catastrophic. Losing out on a coaching job or making a dumb statement are seldom, if ever catastrophic.
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SFCityBear said:

Northside91 said:

SFCityBear said:

Northside91 said:

wifeisafurd said:

Not gonna happened. Primary reason is Cal doesn't have a medical school for his wife, the family breadwinner. And no, UCSF is not gong to accommodate Cal to provide a new head of their ER.

Sure. Syracuse offers him 4.5mil to take over from Boeheim, but his wife nixes the deal b/c Syracuse doesn't have a med school (Upstate Med is SUNY, I believe). Chances are real good that he accepts before the Syracuse AD puts a period on the sentence.

With all due respect, some of the most catastrophically dumb statements in print appear on this board. That's not criticism, it's reality.
It may or may not be a dumb statement, but what is catastrophic about it? That a small school coach loses out on getting a job in P5/P6 school? Heavens to Mergatroid! The sky is falling! I don't disagree that we fans make dumb statements on this board, but as fans we are given to a lot of wild exaggeration as well. The word "fan" is derived from the word "fanatic", after all.

Frankly, I have no idea what you're talking about.

I think it's unreasonable to suggest that the UCI coach won't accept an offer at a school without a med school (or one with a med school that's unwilling to employ his wife in a leadership role) if that school is proposing to pay him several times what he's making at UCI. I stand corrected if he's said, "Suitors be warned, I won't work for you unless my wife can be head of emergency medicine at the teaching hospital attached to your univeristy, even if you offer me all the money in the world. She's the family breadwinner after all."

If you're looking for "wild exaggeration", I refer you to the original post on this issue.
I don't disagree with anything you said. With all due respect, I was talking about the choice of the word, "catastrophically". I think the use of the word "catastrophic" is quite a stretch. We are talking about a coach who might make millions of dollars coaching kids to play a game of sport, and for whatever reason turns it down. I don't see that as catastrophic, unless we place games and fun far more important in life than most other things that happen. A fire, a flood, a tsumani, hurricane, a tornado, causing tremendous loss of life and property, all are catastrophic. Losing out on a coaching job or making a dumb statement are seldom, if ever catastrophic.

Not to belabor this, but I'm not suggesting that any catastrophe will result from anything this or any coach does or doesn't do, unless they turn to a life of crime. The term refers to the scale of exaggeration, misstatement of facts and general BS seen on this board. It's huge. Maybe even "stratospherically" so, if you prefer that term.
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socaltownie said:

wifeisafurd said:

Not gonna happened. Primary reason is Cal doesn't have a medical school for his wife, the family breadwinner. And no, UCSF is not gong to accommodate Cal to provide a new head of their ER.
Do you have this on fact? You can PM me. Because essentially your argument is that he is a UCI lifer. There are probably NO (or almost no) medical schools that would accommodate a trailing spouse in that situation. That is all fine and dandy - until UCLA hires him. Then it will be typiCAL
Are they empty nesters? If so, many couples have long distance arrangements due to career.
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Northside91 said:

SFCityBear said:

Northside91 said:

SFCityBear said:

Northside91 said:

wifeisafurd said:

Not gonna happened. Primary reason is Cal doesn't have a medical school for his wife, the family breadwinner. And no, UCSF is not gong to accommodate Cal to provide a new head of their ER.

Sure. Syracuse offers him 4.5mil to take over from Boeheim, but his wife nixes the deal b/c Syracuse doesn't have a med school (Upstate Med is SUNY, I believe). Chances are real good that he accepts before the Syracuse AD puts a period on the sentence.

With all due respect, some of the most catastrophically dumb statements in print appear on this board. That's not criticism, it's reality.
It may or may not be a dumb statement, but what is catastrophic about it? That a small school coach loses out on getting a job in P5/P6 school? Heavens to Mergatroid! The sky is falling! I don't disagree that we fans make dumb statements on this board, but as fans we are given to a lot of wild exaggeration as well. The word "fan" is derived from the word "fanatic", after all.

Frankly, I have no idea what you're talking about.

I think it's unreasonable to suggest that the UCI coach won't accept an offer at a school without a med school (or one with a med school that's unwilling to employ his wife in a leadership role) if that school is proposing to pay him several times what he's making at UCI. I stand corrected if he's said, "Suitors be warned, I won't work for you unless my wife can be head of emergency medicine at the teaching hospital attached to your univeristy, even if you offer me all the money in the world. She's the family breadwinner after all."

If you're looking for "wild exaggeration", I refer you to the original post on this issue.
I don't disagree with anything you said. With all due respect, I was talking about the choice of the word, "catastrophically". I think the use of the word "catastrophic" is quite a stretch. We are talking about a coach who might make millions of dollars coaching kids to play a game of sport, and for whatever reason turns it down. I don't see that as catastrophic, unless we place games and fun far more important in life than most other things that happen. A fire, a flood, a tsumani, hurricane, a tornado, causing tremendous loss of life and property, all are catastrophic. Losing out on a coaching job or making a dumb statement are seldom, if ever catastrophic.

Not to belabor this, but I'm not suggesting that any catastrophe will result from anything this or any coach does or doesn't do, unless they turn to a life of crime. The term refers to the scale of exaggeration, misstatement of facts and general BS seen on this board. It's huge. Maybe even "stratospherically" so, if you prefer that term.
That works for me. I was probably too critical. I agree completely with you. I'm guilty of all three from time to time. Much of it is being lazy, just reacting, sometimes getting hot, and posting, not thinking it through before I write it, and not proofreading it before I post it. Do you think it is just on the BI or is it pervasive in society in general in this age of electronic typed communication? I nearly got fired from a good upper management job over an e-mail I sent to a client. Client was taking advantage of my young engineers, getting them to perform extra services outside our contract and not paying us for those services. I ripped him in an e-mail, told him that he would have to stop, or get himself another consulting firm. My boss called late Sunday night and he ripped me for sending such an e-mail, and said if I did it again, i'd be fired. The next day, the client sent me an apologetic e-mail giving in to my demand. Still, I should have chosen better language, maybe a different tack. A face to face meeting would have been a better choice, but the client was a thousand miles away. I don't like electronic communication. I spend at least a quarter of my time on this board defending, revising, or apologizing for some of the stuff I write without thinking things through.
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Northside91 said:

SFCityBear said:

Northside91 said:

wifeisafurd said:

Not gonna happened. Primary reason is Cal doesn't have a medical school for his wife, the family breadwinner. And no, UCSF is not gong to accommodate Cal to provide a new head of their ER.

Sure. Syracuse offers him 4.5mil to take over from Boeheim, but his wife nixes the deal b/c Syracuse doesn't have a med school (Upstate Med is SUNY, I believe). Chances are real good that he accepts before the Syracuse AD puts a period on the sentence.

With all due respect, some of the most catastrophically dumb statements in print appear on this board. That's not criticism, it's reality.
It may or may not be a dumb statement, but what is catastrophic about it? That a small school coach loses out on getting a job in P5/P6 school? Heavens to Mergatroid! The sky is falling! I don't disagree that we fans make dumb statements on this board, but as fans we are given to a lot of wild exaggeration as well. The word "fan" is derived from the word "fanatic", after all.

Frankly, I have no idea what you're talking about.

I think it's unreasonable to suggest that the UCI coach won't accept an offer at a school without a med school (or one with a med school that's unwilling to employ his wife in a leadership role) if that school is proposing to pay him several times what he's making at UCI. I stand corrected if he's said, "Suitors be warned, I won't work for you unless my wife can be head of emergency medicine at the teaching hospital attached to your univeristy, even if you offer me all the money in the world. She's the family breadwinner after all."

If you're looking for "wild exaggeration", I refer you to the original post on this issue.
he's quoting Dr Smith from Lost in Space and you wonder why you can't understand him? Need to log more LIS hours dude. Net net, im thinking (not a good idea) if we had a med school our hoops and other teams would be better at the margin...grad transfers etc. just some transitional program. So let's sell our other pieces. But I guess we have standards. Do we have a list of all of our grad transfers, or coaching associates and what program they entered? Would be interesting info. And particularly to see that list against all other transfers at other competing schools . I doubt anyone has done that study. It's the AD's job
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BeachedBear said:

I don't think Cal can afford Turner, honestly.
Cal can afford whomever they want. They choose to be cheap.
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Northside91 said:

wifeisafurd said:

Not gonna happened. Primary reason is Cal doesn't have a medical school for his wife, the family breadwinner. And no, UCSF is not gong to accommodate Cal to provide a new head of their ER.

Sure. Syracuse offers him 4.5mil to take over from Boeheim, but his wife nixes the deal b/c Syracuse doesn't have a med school (Upstate Med is SUNY, I believe). Chances are real good that he accepts before the Syracuse AD puts a period on the sentence.

With all due respect, some of the most catastrophically dumb statements in print appear on this board. That's not criticism, it's reality.
Lots of them repeatedly from the same people too.
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Yogi Bear said:

BeachedBear said:

I don't think Cal can afford Turner, honestly.
Cal can afford whomever they want. They choose to be cheap.
That's certainly a very valid point, but it warrants the questions of who exactly we mean when we say "Cal". University, Ath Dept, Regents, State Employer, Donors, Fans (biggest issue is probably the last two).

The other issue, that many on BI avoid is that the Cal job is simply not attractive right now compared to other programs. It's probably better than it was two years ago, when Williams and Dirks were here, but still has lots of holes that will require Cal to pay a premium for a candidate like Turner or DeCuire - who will have more attractive offers. It may be more attractive in twelve months, but not by much. There may not be as many competitive openings, but not by much. The only thing that will make Cal more attractive is winning and rebuilding a devastated fan base.

I have a hunch on where Knowlton is going with all this and I hope it works out, but yeah..... We choose to be cheap.
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SFCityBear said:

Northside91 said:

SFCityBear said:

Northside91 said:

SFCityBear said:

Northside91 said:

wifeisafurd said:

Not gonna happened. Primary reason is Cal doesn't have a medical school for his wife, the family breadwinner. And no, UCSF is not gong to accommodate Cal to provide a new head of their ER.

Sure. Syracuse offers him 4.5mil to take over from Boeheim, but his wife nixes the deal b/c Syracuse doesn't have a med school (Upstate Med is SUNY, I believe). Chances are real good that he accepts before the Syracuse AD puts a period on the sentence.

With all due respect, some of the most catastrophically dumb statements in print appear on this board. That's not criticism, it's reality.
It may or may not be a dumb statement, but what is catastrophic about it? That a small school coach loses out on getting a job in P5/P6 school? Heavens to Mergatroid! The sky is falling! I don't disagree that we fans make dumb statements on this board, but as fans we are given to a lot of wild exaggeration as well. The word "fan" is derived from the word "fanatic", after all.

Frankly, I have no idea what you're talking about.

I think it's unreasonable to suggest that the UCI coach won't accept an offer at a school without a med school (or one with a med school that's unwilling to employ his wife in a leadership role) if that school is proposing to pay him several times what he's making at UCI. I stand corrected if he's said, "Suitors be warned, I won't work for you unless my wife can be head of emergency medicine at the teaching hospital attached to your univeristy, even if you offer me all the money in the world. She's the family breadwinner after all."

If you're looking for "wild exaggeration", I refer you to the original post on this issue.
I don't disagree with anything you said. With all due respect, I was talking about the choice of the word, "catastrophically". I think the use of the word "catastrophic" is quite a stretch. We are talking about a coach who might make millions of dollars coaching kids to play a game of sport, and for whatever reason turns it down. I don't see that as catastrophic, unless we place games and fun far more important in life than most other things that happen. A fire, a flood, a tsumani, hurricane, a tornado, causing tremendous loss of life and property, all are catastrophic. Losing out on a coaching job or making a dumb statement are seldom, if ever catastrophic.

Not to belabor this, but I'm not suggesting that any catastrophe will result from anything this or any coach does or doesn't do, unless they turn to a life of crime. The term refers to the scale of exaggeration, misstatement of facts and general BS seen on this board. It's huge. Maybe even "stratospherically" so, if you prefer that term.
That works for me. I was probably too critical. I agree completely with you. I'm guilty of all three from time to time. Much of it is being lazy, just reacting, sometimes getting hot, and posting, not thinking it through before I write it, and not proofreading it before I post it. Do you think it is just on the BI or is it pervasive in society in general in this age of electronic typed communication? I nearly got fired from a good upper management job over an e-mail I sent to a client. Client was taking advantage of my young engineers, getting them to perform extra services outside our contract and not paying us for those services. I ripped him in an e-mail, told him that he would have to stop, or get himself another consulting firm. My boss called late Sunday night and he ripped me for sending such an e-mail, and said if I did it again, i'd be fired. The next day, the client sent me an apologetic e-mail giving in to my demand. Still, I should have chosen better language, maybe a different tack. A face to face meeting would have been a better choice, but the client was a thousand miles away. I don't like electronic communication. I spend at least a quarter of my time on this board defending, revising, or apologizing for some of the stuff I write without thinking things through.

It's not just BI. We're in tantrum mode, politically, socially, professionally etc., and we frame things in extreme terms. Lots of us do it. I do it. It's human, but it's really, really dumb and needs to be controlled. I'll give myself credit for not making crap up whole cloth, but maybe I'll start going off the deep end with that, too. No promises.
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wifeisafurd said:

Not gonna happened. Primary reason is Cal doesn't have a medical school for his wife, the family breadwinner. And no, UCSF is not gong to accommodate Cal to provide a new head of their ER.
If you took out "the family breadwinner," people would have a lot easier time buying this. His wife wants a job she likes and they want jobs in the same general vicinity, and this means he won't come to Cal. I can buy that.

Make his wife being "the family breadwinner" an issue, and people starting asking, "*** are you talking about, wiaf?" Hire a guy for something close to middle of the PAC salary, and there is no way that his wife is THE family breadwinner. "I only make $1.8M, my wife is the breadwinner of the family, I just have a hobby that makes loose change." Um, right. No. He definitely is A family breadwinner if he takes that job.

It also seems likely that he would become the leading breadwinner if he takes a P6 HC job. I have trouble believing that the head of any ER makes as much as a middle of the PAC MBB HC. The head of an ER SHOULD make more than any college men's basketball coach, should make at double what any college MBB HC makes, but the world doesn't work that way. Not because the head of ER makes too little, but because the MBB HC makes way too much. I don't think anyone around here can believe that family income will drop if Turner moves from UCI to a P6 school paying a competitive P6 salarly and his wife has to take a different job than what she has now. A paycut, maybe, not not enough to offset the pay raise Turner gets. A job she doesn't like nearly as much, so family happiness is reduced? THAT I could believe.

"Sorry, I can't take a raise from $650K to $1.8M because my ER head wife is the family breadwinner and we can't afford to have her quit her job to take a different one." I call BS. Tell me that he says, "Sorry, I won't leave my $650K job to take a $1.8M job because my wife loves her job and I'm not going to ask her to leave it, and I love my job too, having both of us be happy is more important than me getting more money and only one of us be happy," THAT I'd believe.
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Cal8285 said:

wifeisafurd said:

Not gonna happened. Primary reason is Cal doesn't have a medical school for his wife, the family breadwinner. And no, UCSF is not gong to accommodate Cal to provide a new head of their ER.
If you took out "the family breadwinner," people would have a lot easier time buying this. His wife wants a job she likes and they want jobs in the same general vicinity, and this means he won't come to Cal. I can buy that.

......

"Sorry, I can't take a raise from $650K to $1.8M because my ER head wife is the family breadwinner and we can't afford to have her quit her job to take a different one." I call BS. Tell me that he says, "Sorry, I won't leave my $650K job to take a $1.8M job because my wife loves her job and I'm not going to ask her to leave it, and I love my job too, having both of us be happy is more important than me getting more money and only one of us be happy," THAT I'd believe.
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That is my point. If he takes the UCLA job than I think we know what the "she won't leave Irvine" line was - a sad excuse for being typiCAL
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socaltownie said:

wifeisafurd said:

Not gonna happened. Primary reason is Cal doesn't have a medical school for his wife, the family breadwinner. And no, UCSF is not gong to accommodate Cal to provide a new head of their ER.
Do you have this on fact? You can PM me. Because essentially your argument is that he is a UCI lifer. There are probably NO (or almost no) medical schools that would accommodate a trailing spouse in that situation. That is all fine and dandy - until UCLA hires him. Then it will be typiCAL
She is one of the UC employees that make over $1 million and that doesn't include private practice. She has major resume and was a lead practicing critical care physician at UCSF and Stanford before UCI. Her husband makes about $350K. You tell me who is going to call the shots when cheap Cal offers a little over a Million.?

Now if UCLA comes in with $3 or 4 million and offers her job (or she commutes to UCI) it is a no brainer. But I just don't see Cal in the equation unless they got a position somewhere for her.
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So are we rooting for UCI to win or lose?

Every win in the tournament probably means he just becomes more expensive
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ducky23 said:

So are we rooting for UCI to win or lose?

Every win in the tournament probably means he just becomes more expensive
Win. He is going to cost what it is going to cost. Either he or Travis want to coach at a UC in a power 5 conference or they do not.
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I think UCLA top choice will be Luke Walton. I do like Turner myself and wish that we hired him when we had the chance before we hired Jones. In my mind I still think there is a possibility that after the tournament is completed that we may still fire Jones. I know many here have posted that they're surprised he is still here but I think there are some coaches that are out there that may be interested in coming to Cal after the tournament Is completed
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Basketball Bear said:

I think UCLA top choice will be Luke Walton. I do like Turner myself and wish that we hired him when we had the chance before we hired Jones. In my mind I still think there is a possibility that after the tournament is completed that we may still fire Jones. I know many here have posted that they're surprised he is still here but I think there are some coaches that are out there that may be interested in coming to Cal after the tournament Is completed


I honestly can't imagine how the AD's office is going to be able to handle the sexual harassment investigation and firing wyking at the same time.
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ducky23 said:

Basketball Bear said:

I think UCLA top choice will be Luke Walton. I do like Turner myself and wish that we hired him when we had the chance before we hired Jones. In my mind I still think there is a possibility that after the tournament is completed that we may still fire Jones. I know many here have posted that they're surprised he is still here but I think there are some coaches that are out there that may be interested in coming to Cal after the tournament Is completed


I honestly can't imagine how the AD's office is going to be able to handle the sexual harassment investigation and firing wyking at the same time.
Please explain. What investigation? Or is this a joke?
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Yeah. Seems spurious.
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SFCityBear said:

ducky23 said:

Basketball Bear said:

I think UCLA top choice will be Luke Walton. I do like Turner myself and wish that we hired him when we had the chance before we hired Jones. In my mind I still think there is a possibility that after the tournament is completed that we may still fire Jones. I know many here have posted that they're surprised he is still here but I think there are some coaches that are out there that may be interested in coming to Cal after the tournament Is completed


I honestly can't imagine how the AD's office is going to be able to handle the sexual harassment investigation and firing wyking at the same time.
Please explain. What investigation? Or is this a joke?
I guess with all the time you spend typing, you find it hard to find time to read. But in the interest of truth, I will tell you that no, it's not a joke.
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Basketball Bear said:

I think UCLA top choice will be Luke Walton. I do like Turner myself and wish that we hired him when we had the chance before we hired Jones. In my mind I still think there is a possibility that after the tournament is completed that we may still fire Jones. I know many here have posted that they're surprised he is still here but I think there are some coaches that are out there that may be interested in coming to Cal after the tournament Is completed
I don't think Turner or TD were legitimate choices last time for different reasons. In Travis' case he wanted commitments that Williams would (or could) not commit too.
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socaltownie said:

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wifeisafurd said:

Not gonna happened. Primary reason is Cal doesn't have a medical school for his wife, the family breadwinner. And no, UCSF is not gong to accommodate Cal to provide a new head of their ER.
If you took out "the family breadwinner," people would have a lot easier time buying this. His wife wants a job she likes and they want jobs in the same general vicinity, and this means he won't come to Cal. I can buy that.

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"Sorry, I can't take a raise from $650K to $1.8M because my ER head wife is the family breadwinner and we can't afford to have her quit her job to take a different one." I call BS. Tell me that he says, "Sorry, I won't leave my $650K job to take a $1.8M job because my wife loves her job and I'm not going to ask her to leave it, and I love my job too, having both of us be happy is more important than me getting more money and only one of us be happy," THAT I'd believe.
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That is my point. If he takes the UCLA job than I think we know what the "she won't leave Irvine" line was - a sad excuse for being typiCAL
I'm going to go out on a limb and predict that UCLA does not hire the UC Irvine coach as their next Head Basketball Coach.
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Northside91 said:

SFCityBear said:

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wifeisafurd said:

Not gonna happened. Primary reason is Cal doesn't have a medical school for his wife, the family breadwinner. And no, UCSF is not gong to accommodate Cal to provide a new head of their ER.

Sure. Syracuse offers him 4.5mil to take over from Boeheim, but his wife nixes the deal b/c Syracuse doesn't have a med school (Upstate Med is SUNY, I believe). Chances are real good that he accepts before the Syracuse AD puts a period on the sentence.

With all due respect, some of the most catastrophically dumb statements in print appear on this board. That's not criticism, it's reality.
It may or may not be a dumb statement, but what is catastrophic about it? That a small school coach loses out on getting a job in P5/P6 school? Heavens to Mergatroid! The sky is falling! I don't disagree that we fans make dumb statements on this board, but as fans we are given to a lot of wild exaggeration as well. The word "fan" is derived from the word "fanatic", after all.

Frankly, I have no idea what you're talking about.

I think it's unreasonable to suggest that the UCI coach won't accept an offer at a school without a med school (or one with a med school that's unwilling to employ his wife in a leadership role) if that school is proposing to pay him several times what he's making at UCI. I stand corrected if he's said, "Suitors be warned, I won't work for you unless my wife can be head of emergency medicine at the teaching hospital attached to your univeristy, even if you offer me all the money in the world. She's the family breadwinner after all."

If you're looking for "wild exaggeration", I refer you to the original post on this issue.

She probably is making $2 million or so. *** does Cal giving him $1 million do if she doesn't have a job?
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Cal8285 said:

wifeisafurd said:

Not gonna happened. Primary reason is Cal doesn't have a medical school for his wife, the family breadwinner. And no, UCSF is not gong to accommodate Cal to provide a new head of their ER.
If you took out "the family breadwinner," people would have a lot easier time buying this. His wife wants a job she likes and they want jobs in the same general vicinity, and this means he won't come to Cal. I can buy that.

Make his wife being "the family breadwinner" an issue, and people starting asking, "*** are you talking about, wiaf?" Hire a guy for something close to middle of the PAC salary, and there is no way that his wife is THE family breadwinner. "I only make $1.8M, my wife is the breadwinner of the family, I just have a hobby that makes loose change." Um, right. No. He definitely is A family breadwinner if he takes that job.

It also seems likely that he would become the leading breadwinner if he takes a P6 HC job. I have trouble believing that the head of any ER makes as much as a middle of the PAC MBB HC. The head of an ER SHOULD make more than any college men's basketball coach, should make at double what any college MBB HC makes, but the world doesn't work that way. Not because the head of ER makes too little, but because the MBB HC makes way too much. I don't think anyone around here can believe that family income will drop if Turner moves from UCI to a P6 school paying a competitive P6 salarly and his wife has to take a different job than what she has now. A paycut, maybe, not not enough to offset the pay raise Turner gets. A job she doesn't like nearly as much, so family happiness is reduced? THAT I could believe.

"Sorry, I can't take a raise from $650K to $1.8M because my ER head wife is the family breadwinner and we can't afford to have her quit her job to take a different one." I call BS. Tell me that he says, "Sorry, I won't leave my $650K job to take a $1.8M job because my wife loves her job and I'm not going to ask her to leave it, and I love my job too, having both of us be happy is more important than me getting more money and only one of us be happy," THAT I'd believe.
*** makes you think Cal is paying any basketball coach 1.8 million? They likely can't even afford Jones' buyout. And in case you haven't noticed, new hires in this league like Hopkins get far less. But even if your unrealistic salary view was to hold, the wife still probably makes more money currently. So if she takes a huge hit to her salary and you end up in basically with the same family salary, why bother moving the family?
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